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Ok, so votecounts:
On May 05 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (4): marvellosity, Alakaslam, Mig, Alakaslam, Etellex
Etellex (4): Alakaslam, Tubesock, justanothertownie, nnn_thekushmountains, Shapelog, RiceyKins
DrParnassus (1): RiceyKins, Tubesock
RiceyKins (1): Killing
Mig (1): Fazers
Palmar (0): nnn_thekushmountains
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Alakaslam
Fazers (0): nnn_thekushmountains
Not Voting (2): DrParnassus, Palmar
Tubesock the VT was lynched!
The Day1 lynch does not tell us a lot because the flipped scummers disgustingly both didn't vote. They weren't voted on by one of the question marks either. Except for Riceys early vote on thrawn. Townpoints for that but considering how the guy didn't ever post again and the thread sentiment never really indicated a real thrawn wagon a bus is not impossible here.
Notably mafia did not vote to save Etellex in case he is the last one but since both of them were afk apparently (none of them would intentionally not vote) this argument loses a lot of strength.
On May 08 2016 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Final Day 2 Votecount
Palmar (6): marvellosity, nnn_thekushmountains, justanothertownie, Mig, sandroba, RiceyKins, Shaelog
Etellex (3): RiceyKins, Fazers, Killing, Alakaslam
Sandroba (2): Palmar, Shapelog
Killing (1):Palmar, Etellex
This votecount is more relevant. Mafia certainly did not want to lose their rb and strongest player Palmar on day2. The problem is all 3 of you did not vote for him early on. Killing voted the counterwagon, Etellex wasted his vote and Ricey joined the wagon way late (even after sandro) when it was clear Palmar would be lynched while the flipped mafia just doublebussed each other.
Really annoying.
On May 11 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
Day 3 Final Votecount
sandroba (8): Mig, justanothertownie, nnn_thekushmountains, Alakaslam, RiceyKins, Fazers, Etellex, Shapelog
Not Voting (2): sandroba, Killing
sandroba the Mafia Goon was lynched!
This one is more or less irrelevant. It was clear that sandro would die that day very early. Probably even before the day started. And you guys still all joined late.
On May 14 2016 06:13 Rels wrote:
Day 4 Final Votecount
Alakaslam (5): Mig, Fazers, nnn_thekushmountains, Killing, Etellex, RiceyKins
Fazers (1): justanothertownie
Etellex (1): nnn_thekushmountains, Fazers
Not Voting (1): Alakaslam
Also irrelevant since the 3 possible mafia all voted the same guy when his fate was basically sealed already.
And Day 5 isn't even worth mentioning.
Not a lot to gain here overall.
Etellex voted to save himself day1 which in itself is nai while the rest of mafia was afk, wasted his vote when the mafia leader was up for lynch and was on the obvious main wagon ever since.
Not a good track record overall.
Ricey voted on Etellex day1 - nai - but had his vote on thrawn for a while. He is the only one who actually voted Palmar but he did it so late that there are no townpoints to be had. It is WIFOM but generally you could make the argument that voting Palmar there is something mafia should always do since everything else just makes them look horrible. Obvious main wagon ever since.
On paper a better voting record than Etellex but in reality you would probably expect mafia do vote like he did.
Killing voted ricey day1 which is once again nai but actively pushed mafia agenda day2 by voting Palmars counterwagon. The question is if mafia Killing would be this bold. If he has any feeling for the thread sentiment it is a really risky move and I can't really see the other scummers not telling him to vote elsewhere in their qt given the situation. Uninteresting votes for the rest of the lynches.
The worst voting record in the game. Maybe too bad to come from mafia though.
On to player filters.
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Flipped scummers:
Thrawn/Sandro:
Thrawn didn't make a single relevant post at all.
The only interesting thing in sandros filter is this:
On May 07 2016 05:45 sandroba wrote:
So far on page 24 people I like as town are Killing and kush for sure. I kinda cheated ytd and read pages around ~38 too and I know marv claimed vet and there is no real reason I see to doubt it so there are these 3. People I particulartly don't like so far are shape, fazer and ricey. Mostly null on everyone else so far.
On May 08 2016 02:08 sandroba wrote:
Also it looks like people that I am suspicious of are voting on the counter wagon so my vote feels even better.
@killing I think you are town and you should prob move your vote. Etellex dude looks like lynch bait.
This actually makes me think Killing is more likely to be town. I don't think mafia sandro who knows he will go down sooner rather than later talks about a scumbuddy in this way. It might be an attempt at WIFOMing us but I don't really think so.
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On May 20 2016 04:02 Killing wrote:
Fug u U HAVE NO PROOF I VOTED ON A TOWN!
Correct, but if you are mafia then you did. And what I am doing is seeing if what you guys did makes sense if you are mafia.
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Palmar:
Thise whole thing about Etellex is really really weird. If Palmar wasn't so good at playing scum I would probably award townpoints to Etellex for this nonsensical defense but I have a feeling almost everything Palmar said this game is WIFOM.
On May 05 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
I don't really think Etellex sounds like mafia, at least if he's being genuine about his complete lack of experience.
I mean, he might be, of course, but if we take everything he says at face value then he kinda maybe sounds like not mafia.
On May 05 2016 19:56 Palmar wrote:
it's unlikely he posts that post about being inexperienced and then proceeds to give two reads that at least look like he thought about them as a rookie mafia.
On May 06 2016 04:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 01:43 Mig wrote:
palmar who are the scum if etellex sounds town to you?
Also this is pretty exceptionally lazy even for marv. No idea and im nowhere near certain he is town. All I said is his posts don't really look like mafia posts.
On May 06 2016 18:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 12:18 Mig wrote:
Palmar is there any reason not to lynch you? You have played 8000 games surely 40 pages in you have at least some leanings on who is likely to be scum. As I said, I have been very much afk. I have barely read any people. I opened Etellex's filter yesterday because he seemded to be the alternative to the tubesock lynch. What I'm currently, roughly, working with is something like this: TownieMarv. The shot claim can be instantly counterclaimed if there are blues that contradict the veteran claim. Thus he's got to be town. Maybe townJAT. I had him as my biggest townread early on day 1, mostly because he had a lot of activity and didn't sound off. But now he wants to kill me for making jokes that he didn't get, which is meh. Mig, mostly for tryharding, I haven't gone back and actually read the case on tubesock, or his actual filter but still, sounds like he wants to do things. Etellex, mostly for just not really sounding like mafianullkush. I don't know if his weird fascination with lynching me is just an excuse to actually do things. Shapelog, not read his filter, just noticed that his preferred way of talking about things this game seems to be to randomly troll whatever conversation is going on. no idea if this is the correct impression or if it actually means anything.
Of the 3 possible last scummers Etellex is the only one he talked about early on when he wasn't in imminent danger though.
This is his stuff about Killing:
On May 07 2016 00:36 Palmar wrote:
Also Killing stills sounds annoyed/hostile. It's not really a strong indication but it's something.
On May 07 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
Which post is actually scummy jat?
Btw, Etellex is now my new friend. I don't trust slam as much.
Also, someone somewhere said I was townreading marv on day 1. That's not really true, I just prefer to not call him mafia until I have a reason to to make my life easier.
Killing still sounds overly hostile and annoyed. he's probably mafia.
On May 08 2016 00:14 Palmar wrote:
##vote killing
He only becomes a target when Palmar already knows that his opinion won't sway anyone. Might be an attempt at distancing from a buddy but it is such a bullshit reason that I have my doubts.
Palmar basically ignores Ricey all game except for this short interaction:
On May 08 2016 04:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 04:23 RiceyKins wrote:
Palmar seems to buddy up to people strangely based on what stage the game is in. He did it to Etellex as everybody was still kind of thinking about him as a primary lynch after D1, he's gone after killing without saying much more than he sounds hostile but also admits he hasn't read the thread then says Sandroba needs to be lynched for doing the exact same thing he's been doing.
It's also somewhat semantics but he says he THINKS marv is town which we all know is almost guaranteed at this point. I have no issues saying Marv is town at this point. scum worries about wording to not let slip that they have information we don't. Even after the fact it could be that he's still in that mindset and wont commit to knowing marv is town. Unless for some reason the vet decided not to claim and is letting Marv organize a lynch but I find that highly unlikely. You've called him confirmed town yourself but Palmar chooses to keep him at the same level as you JAT, he thinks you're both town.
also in the same post he says Sandroba would be the best lynch, votes for killing, and then says he has no information and has no opinion on me, sandroba(?), and Slam. Which again is odd. No opinion on somebody you strongly want to lynch.
There's other small stuff as well but yeah I'm a straight shooter, I tell it like it is. this guy might be mafia because the bolded is basically bullshit. Of course I have basically no opinion on DrP/Sand, they haven't posted at all. On the other hand, the very fact that they haven't posted at all makes them the correct lynch. Not necessarily the lynch most likely to flip mafia, but it is the correct play in this situation.
Which is not really interesting.
Summary:
He townreads Etellex all game for no good reason and never changes.
He scumreads Killing for no good reason and never changes.
He ignores Ricey all game.
No big revelations here but I think Ricey looks the worst from this overall.
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On May 20 2016 04:07 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 04:05 justanothertownie wrote:On May 20 2016 04:02 Killing wrote:
Fug u U HAVE NO PROOF I VOTED ON A TOWN! Correct, but if you are mafia then you did. And what I am doing is seeing if what you guys did makes sense if you are mafia. Honestly, if the shape kill was truly just autism, I think it's impossible that I killed him. I quoted him and asked him why he checked me so that is proof that I knew who the obvious cop was. I also didn't think shape was super townie so if I'm mafia I'd be killing a potential ml. I'M CLEAN I SWEAR
Yeah, there is also proof that I 100 % knew that kush was the cop if I was mafia and yet you said you would yolo vote me just now...
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The only townfilters I will skim are marv and mig because I respect them the most (no offense to the other dead guys) and because they are the only nightkills which weren't attempts at getting rid of a blue role.
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Marv:
No really interesting posts about Etellex and Ricey. He was kinda suspicious of Ricey for a short while but nothing strong:
On May 04 2016 21:50 marvellosity wrote:it's kinda funny, this. because even though i don't really think kush is mafia, the more he defends riceykins terribly, the more inclined i am to scumread riceykins. which isn't really great logical sense, but when i disagree with kush i'm usually on the right track 
What's more important are his townreads:
On May 09 2016 05:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 05:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Any noteworthy townreads at least? not really i think you, killing, kush and to some extent mig are town wanna be right about etellex but still not totally sure there
I tend to trust marv a lot when it comes to townreads. Big townpoints for Killing here.
Mig:
Unfortunately he hasn't left behind any noteworthy scum or townreads on you 3 that I saw while skimming. He was very much fixated on slam/fazers.
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On May 20 2016 04:28 RiceyKins wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 00:19 RiceyKins wrote:hey look it's taken 5 days but Palmar admitted I exist.  I'm not going to point that out myself JAT as a first interaction if I didn't want it to be noticed. also I've gotta say going through the confirmed town Mig/Marv/ and somewhat Kush none of them were convinced about you so idk where you're confirmed town is coming from on those votes Putting yourself green in those votes is some pretty strong suggestion though. I had to go over it a 3rd time to figure out what was bugging me about them lol but oh well stuck in this situation ##vote: Etellexwith PoE, I really don't think it's Killing. And as I said before (like a week ago at this point) when Palmar put you at the same place as Marv I think that was telling.
What are you even talking about? All 3 of marv, kush and mig clearly townread me - don't make me dig up the quotes. Of course I am colouring myself green - I know I am town. It's the world we are living in and the earlier you accept this the higher our chances to actually lynch mafia today.
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I never said I should be "confirmed town" to you guys. But good job at choosing the quotes where one could interpret them as being unsure about me when there are other posts which show that they aren't. Take the marv post you chose for example:
On May 07 2016 20:20 marvellosity wrote:
i still don't think jat is mafia, kush.
it's not one of my super-i'm-sure-jat-is-townreads which is always right, but it's definitely stronger than my maybe-he's-town reads which usually means he's mafia.
He posted this and later on he posted this:
On May 09 2016 05:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 05:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Any noteworthy townreads at least? not really i think you, killing, kush and to some extent mig are town wanna be right about etellex but still not totally sure there
Which is an unconditional townread (no caveat). Marv is a hedging little bitch when it comes to my alignment. He does not call me town like that without being pretty sure about it (as you can see in the other quote). I can show you similar posts from both Mig and Kush.
So are you intentionally misrepresenting me or just very sloppy?
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On to the alive players filters:
Killing:
On May 06 2016 21:15 Killing wrote:
I still have mostly the same reads. It's unfortunate that marv is BP because he was already obvious town. I think our lynches should be Ricey and Ettelex.
There's no way I can't think Ricey is mafia. I personally thought most of his d1 was garbage and I was the only vote on him. I'm not down with the re-reading thing but I remember a few towns saying that he was indeed scummy. I mean I have to think that if he was actually town than some mafia would just BW behind me to get him lynched as I kinda wanted to kill him before you guys just went ham on tubesock for no reason. Point being is that I don't understand why nobody kinda agreed with me and tried to kill ricey when a few people thought he was scummy. Especially considering i'm a new player, I think it'd be super easy to just jump on board on me considering some may think I have no idea what i'm doing although for the most part that's true.
Etellex's giant wall this day felt exactly like a post I wrote in my first scum game. It was like excuse, sorry, weak content. He's prob mafia too.
Dunno who the last one is.
Towns are:
Marv
Kush
Shape
Mig
Fuck that guy:
Palmar
This is somewhat weird. He later elaborated on the Palmar thing and it still did not make much sense:
On May 07 2016 01:37 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 00:36 Palmar wrote:
Also Killing stills sounds annoyed/hostile. It's not really a strong indication but it's something. I can confirm both those reads
But on the other hand - would he treat a buddy like that? Just weird.
On May 06 2016 23:57 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 23:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Scumlist 2.0
3) Fazers
4) Etellex
5) Sandroba
6) JAT
9) Palmar I'm basically on that exact same train except no real good read on alakaslam and I'm leaning a bit townier on fazers but very slight
This seems to be what Etellex is on about with the scumlist. Agreeing with Kush here isn't very telling but it's a thing in his favor - I agree.
On May 11 2016 11:09 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 07:22 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
fuuuck he was a goon.
im cop.
n1 roleblocked = fuck you palmar.
n2 killing came back town which means nothing
I thought we were bros dawg
I think I have to agree if Killing says he probably wouldn't have fallen for shapelogs WIFOM play. It's not certain but it is something.
On May 17 2016 04:39 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 04:29 RiceyKins wrote:this is projecting a little bit but I'm just looking through everything and seeing if it fits. On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:To address your questions: I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo. I don't care about people who are inactive in this game so far. It's been a little quiet. I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass.  we agreed his thing on Killing was kind of bad and didn't make him scum. He didn't want to go after the inactive players (turns out there were two mafia in Palmar/Dr.P in there and those were being pushed by Kush and Myself so it was likely if we did go for a lynch on the inactive players it would be one of them) On May 04 2016 11:09 Fazers wrote:
Yeah I was just throwing it out there. I don't actually have any determination to make sure Killing gets lynched. However, why are the accusations not bold? He's making reads off such little information. He even admits he may sound like an idiot for not like a few posters on his list...it's baseless.
Activity and making reads though is definitely awesome on his part though! he backs off Killing quickly and then On May 04 2016 22:49 Fazers wrote:
##vote Mig
Happens to go after an inactive player that just happens to be different from Palmar/Dr.P I should add he was the only person to vote for Mig at any point in time and it would go with my theory earlier that I talked to JAT about where Mafia actually had no part in the tubesock lynch and that we just happened to lynch a fellow townie all by our selves. Fazers goes on to talk about killing but never actually addresses the Mig vote again and only says he should have voted for Etellex instead of him in retrospect after Tube flips town. then goes after Etellex for voting without a reason and sheeping people and as I've posted earlier all of Fazers votes have been the same if not worse. Am I making sense to people? Buries the self-voting conceding player. S A V A G E
This does not feel like something a mafia player who knows that Fazers will flip town would say.
On May 18 2016 21:53 Killing wrote:
I'm never lynching etellex so if he's mafia he has won
And this does not seem like a clever strategy as mafia.
There is also the read progression about fazers that Ricey pointed out and it is weird how Killing does nothing to prevent Fazers from getting lynched but on the other hand you can't really blame him considering Fazers play.
In addition to that I think there are a lot of posts in Killings filter that show a very relaxed or even confident tone. Examples:
On May 04 2016 04:49 Killing wrote:
I really like this forum mafia thing. I should do this more often
On May 04 2016 21:53 Killing wrote:
Marv, hope on the "isn't really great logical sense" train with me. We're gonna have a wild ride
On May 05 2016 03:06 Killing wrote:
How can you like that response as a respectable human being though lol
On May 06 2016 21:45 Killing wrote:
Because I called him townie and I did not call you townie
On May 07 2016 12:54 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 07:09 Etellex wrote:
I'm thinking Killing is scum.
He started the game with nothing but fluff, moved on very aggressively to attacking Ricey for no logical reason, and when that didn't work moved to me in an attempt to start a lynch train.
I believe that Ricey, however, is town because he initially believed I was town and then later changed his mind, indicating to me that this isn't scum trying to pin me but someone genuinely changing their mind. I'm not going to officially vote for Killing yet because that's bad for reasons I do not quite understand. Also, can anyone brief me as to why Palmer is getting to much suspicion? I'm reading his filter and I'm not seeing anything all that suspicious. Etellex uses Lynch! It was not very effective
I remember this guy as mafia. He was extremely subdued and played like a pussy. Granted it was his first forum game but still the difference between his tone here and there (Foundation Mafia) is like night and day.
That's also why I was ok with his posting early in the game and asked this:
On May 04 2016 21:00 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 12:16 justanothertownie wrote:On May 04 2016 04:44 Killing wrote:
Well since I've played all my games over video, the majority of my read come from context over content. So basically how people say shit over what they are saying. Just put people on a range of what I think they are more likely to say when being town vs more likely to say as either alignment vs more likely to say as mafia.
Shape started off awkward and then when I just said I don't like him, he just came back at me which is fine and everything. The awkwardness I just read as mafia but he could just be an awkward human being. Obviously I don't know how he really is so I default that to scummy. The coming back to me felt super taunt-y which I find is a very common pattern amongst mafia for whatever reason. I honestly don't understand it but whenever a player gives me a "bring it on", it makes me heavily lean them towards mafia because it's just a pattern i've picked up on over my 1000 games. Not to be confused with just regular taunting i.e. someone said "call me mafia for no reason". They are different for no other reason than just my observations over many many games.
Ricey feels weak and just un-conflicting (can't remember the word). When I say weak, i mean they just don't want to cause any problems. I don't give a fuck as either alignment but some people I feel do. He said sorry. Who says sorry in a game of mafia rofl. That's kinda just my feel for the brief amount i've read. I don't really re-read posts. Obv, he could just be a weak personality type and this is null but again, it's just a trend i've picked up on from my games.
Did you play any forum mafia outside of TL? nope
Because I think a scum Killing who is still relatively unexperienced in forum mafia would not be posting so confidently/freely.
Overall I think Killing is not my lynch today. Adding to the things I pointed out here are sandros townread on him and also (and more importantly) marvs townread.
He probs town.
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Jezus... I need more time to get through those filters.
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Ricey:
On May 04 2016 14:19 RiceyKins wrote:
I wouldn't want to lynch Mig today just because there are other options if we're just going off people who haven't contributed at all. Dr.P would be top of my list because of his entrance into nothing. I wouldn't lynch Slam either out of those four for the same reason, he's done more than Dr.P has and I'm willing to buy Etellex being overwhelmed and I'd like to see if he's able to speak up on D2.
I'm null on Marv and JAT as well although the way they both entered the game bothers me. It seemed rehearsed and the timing was too good.
The fact that he is picking thrawn out of the lurker pool is a point in his favor. But this post also reminded me of the bolded shit and how much I hated that and the follow up:
On May 04 2016 14:45 RiceyKins wrote:
Mig hasn't said a word since the game started where Dr.P has said one thing and hasn't come back. If the discussion is about which inactive player we believe should be lynched I'll go with Dr.P because he's clearly been here and made a decision not to continue but Mig is a ? and I can deal with waiting to see. It's not a great situation either way but if we're picking between the two I'd lynch Dr.P.
And yeah I think it looks rehearsed. 18 hours into the game where neither of you have shown up "Oh man JAT hasn't posted yet he must be sick!" 5 minutes later "Ha Ha oh Marv I just came back from the doctor cause I'm sick". If you don't think that's some oddly good timing and an insane coincidence idk Considering there's almost nothing else to mention about the two of you to this point yeah its suspect. You also don't have to be lying about coming back from the doctor, it's very possible Marv knew and just waited for you to be around to put on a show.
Really really really bad.
On May 04 2016 22:09 RiceyKins wrote:
sure but I don't remember which newbie games they are, OmniEulogy
I want to say outing his identity so easily is kinda towny but I think I actually saw mafia do it more often. Let's call it nai.
On May 05 2016 01:09 RiceyKins wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 00:52 Tubesock wrote:On May 04 2016 20:40 marvellosity wrote:On May 04 2016 09:20 Tubesock wrote:On May 04 2016 03:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 04 2016 02:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On May 04 2016 00:55 marvellosity wrote:On May 04 2016 00:53 RiceyKins wrote:
the way he said it made me think it was specific to Palmar. my mistake then Marv. so why did you use a question mark when you were talking about what shape said had you genuinely forgot who it was in the 50 posts the game has? could you not have checked if you weren't sure? etc<script id="gpt-impl-0.7793814496370671" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_85.js"></script> At first I was like damn marv's being perceptive. And then I was like ... really though? I would speak about what Shape said about Palmar with the same vagueness and uncertainty. Shape alluded to his last game with Palmar but included none of the specifics, as far as I remember. So I'm kinda sus of you for making such a big deal about it. no harm in seeing how it went, is there? Did it go anywhere? Did your opinion of Killing change at all after his response? i thought he was town before and i still do ah ok I can't tell if you meant to say me but said Killing instead there but fair enough. Kush if we're going to policy lynch I'd rather it be Dr.P I'll copy JAT a bit here is there any reason to lynch Palmar over DrP or any of the others who haven't given us a reason for their absence?
On May 05 2016 01:49 RiceyKins wrote:
##Vote: DrParnassus
Between DrP and Palmar I'd rather see what Palmar says when he's able to play vs the uncertainty of DrP showing up.
who knows maybe he'll come back if he's about to get lynched and we'll hear from him.
Again - good target. But prefering thrawn over Palmar is also what a mafia would do. I know I am hypocritical here because I also didn't want to policy lynch Palmar day1 but still.
And this is also very much what mafia wants to do:
On May 07 2016 20:51 RiceyKins wrote:##Vote: Etellexyou seem to have a good read on Palmar marv and I'm on board with his lynch based on your read but I still would be fine with lynching Etellex today as well. His recent posts have made sense to me though as in I understand where he's coming from in terms of trouble posting and style differences from Town of Salem to this... however I don't see that as alignment indicative but his actions are still really leading me to think he's mafia. Honestly right now it's because he said Killing attacked me for no logical reason when even I admitted earlier in this game Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 10:58 RiceyKins wrote:
I also think going after Shape at this point is just plain bad. At first I thought Shape was a little too friendly with Kush and trying to parrot his opinions but after re-reading his filter that isn't really the case and I think he's made the best points out of any of us so far. So I dunno why out of everybody here he would put the two of us on a list together when honestly speaking we're on opposite ends in terms of contributions for town. That's somewhat strange. So I can understand somebody coming after me quite well. Most of my hesitation on Etellex d1 was because we weren't able to see his thought process and how he came to his conclusions but now that we have I'm still not convinced that he's looking for mafia, it seems like he's actively just trying to survive instead of helping town. Do you still read Kush as scum Etellex? Who else other than Killing stands out to you?
He is actually trying if he can indirectly get the lynch off Palmar (remember how I said mafia really does not want to lynch Palmar that day?) without really daring to attack the Palmar wagon itself. And once he sees that Palmars demise is inevitable he joins the wagon:
On May 08 2016 03:33 RiceyKins wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 03:09 Etellex wrote:On May 07 2016 20:51 RiceyKins wrote:##Vote: Etellexyou seem to have a good read on Palmar marv and I'm on board with his lynch based on your read but I still would be fine with lynching Etellex today as well. His recent posts have made sense to me though as in I understand where he's coming from in terms of trouble posting and style differences from Town of Salem to this... however I don't see that as alignment indicative but his actions are still really leading me to think he's mafia. Honestly right now it's because he said Killing attacked me for no logical reason when even I admitted earlier in this game On May 04 2016 10:58 RiceyKins wrote:
I also think going after Shape at this point is just plain bad. At first I thought Shape was a little too friendly with Kush and trying to parrot his opinions but after re-reading his filter that isn't really the case and I think he's made the best points out of any of us so far. So I dunno why out of everybody here he would put the two of us on a list together when honestly speaking we're on opposite ends in terms of contributions for town. That's somewhat strange. So I can understand somebody coming after me quite well. Most of my hesitation on Etellex d1 was because we weren't able to see his thought process and how he came to his conclusions but now that we have I'm still not convinced that he's looking for mafia, it seems like he's actively just trying to survive instead of helping town. Do you still read Kush as scum Etellex? Who else other than Killing stands out to you? Right now nothing I say holds water because of all the suspicion on me, so first I want to establish that I am in fact not scum before doing anything crazy. As for Kush, I do now think he's town. What is an interesting possibility is that Palmer actually is scum and when he is revealed it will appear obvious that I am, despite being town. I don't know why someone would go through all that trouble to kill someone who's going to get lynched anyways so I don't think this is 100% the case but in case he does turn out to be mafia I want to have this on record. I'm actually fairly happy you've come to this conclusion. I think how I feel about you might change depending on how Palmar flips because of what he's been saying as well. ##Unvote##VotealmarI'm going to sheep Marv for todays lynch. I don't think a lynch on Etellex will yield much information even if he did flip mafia whereas I think Palmar's would. Plus the last couple of exchanges with Etellex + a Palmar mafia flip would actually lend me to believe Etellex when he says he's town. but that's getting a bit ahead of myself.
It could all come from a townie but it is also exactly what a mafia player in his position would do.
On May 11 2016 20:34 RiceyKins wrote:
I could see Kush fake claiming / claiming here on a whim equally lol
:/ I guess he could have made the shape nightkill.
This is also interesting:
On May 15 2016 12:57 RiceyKins wrote:
well nothing like giving up with more than a full day to go to change the minds of the people.
JAT what do you think the chances are of Mig being the last mafia and just bussing the hell out of Palmar and Sandroba?
On May 15 2016 21:30 RiceyKins wrote:
that's a fair point on the Shape kill. I wouldn't expect Mig to do that either. As far as Mig going mia is concerned he did mention it so at least it's not just an unannounced absence during the weekend.
He is testing the waters about Migs standing. He learns that Mig probably won't ever be lynched and voilá - Mig dies in the night. Could be fishing to see who he should nightkill (maybe he thought I would trust him more easily than Mig).
On May 17 2016 04:29 RiceyKins wrote:this is projecting a little bit but I'm just looking through everything and seeing if it fits. Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:To address your questions: I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo. I don't care about people who are inactive in this game so far. It's been a little quiet. I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass. we agreed his thing on Killing was kind of bad and didn't make him scum. He didn't want to go after the inactive players (turns out there were two mafia in Palmar/Dr.P in there and those were being pushed by Kush and Myself so it was likely if we did go for a lynch on the inactive players it would be one of them) Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 11:09 Fazers wrote:
Yeah I was just throwing it out there. I don't actually have any determination to make sure Killing gets lynched. However, why are the accusations not bold? He's making reads off such little information. He even admits he may sound like an idiot for not like a few posters on his list...it's baseless.
Activity and making reads though is definitely awesome on his part though! he backs off Killing quickly and then Happens to go after an inactive player that just happens to be different from Palmar/Dr.P I should add he was the only person to vote for Mig at any point in time and it would go with my theory earlier that I talked to JAT about where Mafia actually had no part in the tubesock lynch and that we just happened to lynch a fellow townie all by our selves. Fazers goes on to talk about killing but never actually addresses the Mig vote again and only says he should have voted for Etellex instead of him in retrospect after Tube flips town. then goes after Etellex for voting without a reason and sheeping people and as I've posted earlier all of Fazers votes have been the same if not worse. Am I making sense to people?
This is some really unnecessary/overexplained stuff I think. I mean fazers was going down in flames no matter what.
Add to that the weird misrepresentation of me earlier and how Palmar completely ignored Ricey.
Verdict: Could be mafia.
Now on to the last one.
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On May 05 2016 03:51 Etellex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 03:30 Fazers wrote:@Shapelog: He makes better reads than I do @Etellex: I stated a few pages back that 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM I am working (full time) so while I am on a computer, my time to browse TL is quite limited. Also, welcome to the game! :D Thank you for the welcome and explanation. I'm also in a bit of a fragmented schedule so I'm sort of scrambling for any evidence on anyone to base an informed vote off of.
Seems honest. But could be true as either alignment.
On May 07 2016 07:09 Etellex wrote:
I'm thinking Killing is scum.
He started the game with nothing but fluff, moved on very aggressively to attacking Ricey for no logical reason, and when that didn't work moved to me in an attempt to start a lynch train.
I believe that Ricey, however, is town because he initially believed I was town and then later changed his mind, indicating to me that this isn't scum trying to pin me but someone genuinely changing their mind. I'm not going to officially vote for Killing yet because that's bad for reasons I do not quite understand. Also, can anyone brief me as to why Palmer is getting to much suspicion? I'm reading his filter and I'm not seeing anything all that suspicious.
The bolded is still a very bad reason. But I could see it come from an inexperienced townie too.
The following stuff is probably one of the worst parts of his filter:
On May 08 2016 03:09 Etellex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 20:51 RiceyKins wrote:##Vote: Etellexyou seem to have a good read on Palmar marv and I'm on board with his lynch based on your read but I still would be fine with lynching Etellex today as well. His recent posts have made sense to me though as in I understand where he's coming from in terms of trouble posting and style differences from Town of Salem to this... however I don't see that as alignment indicative but his actions are still really leading me to think he's mafia. Honestly right now it's because he said Killing attacked me for no logical reason when even I admitted earlier in this game On May 04 2016 10:58 RiceyKins wrote:
I also think going after Shape at this point is just plain bad. At first I thought Shape was a little too friendly with Kush and trying to parrot his opinions but after re-reading his filter that isn't really the case and I think he's made the best points out of any of us so far. So I dunno why out of everybody here he would put the two of us on a list together when honestly speaking we're on opposite ends in terms of contributions for town. That's somewhat strange. So I can understand somebody coming after me quite well. Most of my hesitation on Etellex d1 was because we weren't able to see his thought process and how he came to his conclusions but now that we have I'm still not convinced that he's looking for mafia, it seems like he's actively just trying to survive instead of helping town. Do you still read Kush as scum Etellex? Who else other than Killing stands out to you? Right now nothing I say holds water because of all the suspicion on me, so first I want to establish that I am in fact not scum before doing anything crazy. As for Kush, I do now think he's town. What is an interesting possibility is that Palmer actually is scum and when he is revealed it will appear obvious that I am, despite being town. I don't know why someone would go through all that trouble to kill someone who's going to get lynched anyways so I don't think this is 100% the case but in case he does turn out to be mafia I want to have this on record.
On May 08 2016 09:03 Etellex wrote:
My hunch was right, Palmer was trying to drag me down with him by making us look like scumteam. I suppose the counter to that argument would be that both we starting talking later in the game and he initiated the talking. Anyways, I understand that Marv is now town. Praise be to lord Marv.
On May 09 2016 03:05 Etellex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 12:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Etellex, How was Palmar making it look like you were scum with him? By not voting you?
I think we can all agree that whether or not I actually am scum it was unreasonable for Palmar to trust me as much as he did.
This is such a weird thing to think or say as a townie. It could very well be a guilty conscience thing.
On May 12 2016 09:41 Etellex wrote:
Yo.
I went on a filter-reading spree and I have some new thoughts on who is and isn't mafia.
I noticed that killing was scumreading both Sandroba and Palmer, which would be a stupid thing to do as scum, and kush did the same. What this leads me to believe is that Killing isn't scum, just intentionally confusing. Kush also appears to be town. I don't have any scumreads but this is what I noticed.
Also Killing jesus christ lay off of Ricey, you have no reason to be this suspicious.
Still very weird.
The problem with this guy is that there isn't really much to go on. He didn't post enough - he is new and it shows. I have no idea how he plays as either alignment. He is a coinflip to me/could be mafia.
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Fuck.
I have no idea who to kill between Ricey and Etellex. The only thing I know is that I don't want to lynch Killing.
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uuuuuuuuugh.....
Etellex could have definitely made the shape shot too.
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I hate having a deciding vote so fucking much.
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On May 20 2016 05:54 RiceyKins wrote:
hahahaha I blame Fazers and to a certain extent Slam's god damn stupid call on Kush straight up lying about being cop and being mafia with no counter claim. At least slam's lynch didn't need to happen but w/e he decided to go down trolling I guess.
At least you tried if you are mafia. I would hate to lose to scum Etellex.
##Vote: Etellex
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On May 20 2016 05:57 RiceyKins wrote:
You've made the right decision regarding me n Etellex. I hope we both read Killing right.
I am way more sure about Killing being town than Etellex being mafia over you :/
Please be town.
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On May 20 2016 05:57 RiceyKins wrote:
and that you didn't trick us all for that matter.
After all the work/effort I put in during the last hours? Are you shitting me?
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My back hurts. At least Slam and fazers helped me carry my burden.
gg guys
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