Shapelog, why you are wasting time on Koshi, fuck if I knew. He isn't and should not get lynched. Gumshoe and I are not voting him.
What are your thoughts on my case against gumshoe, or his points on me?
You said you were catching up on our filters, did you have any thoughts there?
If you are town, this line of play is quite frustrating from you.
Koshi has been hard pressing him for ever. Its perfectly understandable to go after the guy who wants to 100 percent lynch you as you have to figure out if one or both of you is/are just that bad or hes actually scum.
Its easy for us to give koshi a pass cause hes not really attacking us.
I have not played with mafia Shape and in the town games I recall (nutcracker, which I've hosted, newbie 18) he has never stuck out to me as overly townie. His volume to content ratio had always been high. His AFKness this game is obviously NAI. There were two posts in his filter (I mentioned it before, honestly can't remember the numbers now) that showed some sort of townie thinking, but the thing I'm trying to take into context is that if someone isn't around to play they also aren't going to make the greatest mover/shaker/impact reads you are seeking.
This doesn't make him town but I want to get the info I can in mylo on him, which is why I'm presently frustrated at his play.
The other thing that I want to also re-review - and that I also draw attention to - is gumshoe's case on GB at the time it happened. I know there were several points he made that were identical to my concerns. I saw the points he made were drawn out at a stretch with GB which after the time stamp error I concluded were town on town. But a key caveat now that I see in the manner he's pushing me are the points where he's reframing the arguments to make me look mafia.
There was a long bullet point list he drew on GB and there were some bullet points on the list that also looked meh or not necessarily indicative of mafia. I dismissed it at the time, focusing on the points that were similar to mine.
Seeing what he's doing with me this cycle, reviewing his pushes on GB and comparing those to his play this cycle will should give the remaining town here a better idea whether that was confirmation bias or malicious.
your vote on me has little to do with koshi, you voted me for efficiencies sake and also because you set it up earlier with the gb/me waffle. You can always vote shape at any time (as I pointed out) so for the moment makes sense to vote the guy you a) set up on earlier b) is attacking you.
No I voted you because the manner in which you voted me exposed a double standard. If Shapelog pulled the same thing you better believe I'd be questioning the why and the motives.
Your associative read on SL/me does not take into account thread sentiment and the manner in which Damdred was trying/debating to lead the lynch on me. like I said before what sicklucker did after the 6th vote on Fecalfeast is WIFOM. THE TIMING OF HIS VOTE TO KOSHI OR ANYONE ELSE IS IRRELEVANT. those make your points invalid.
You made a point about NK wifom and Koshi and the point in my response to that is that it didn't make you any more town or me any more mafia, and that is the way you were trying to portray it earlier.
your vote on me has little to do with koshi, you voted me for efficiencies sake and also because you set it up earlier with the gb/me waffle. You can always vote shape at any time (as I pointed out) so for the moment makes sense to vote the guy you a) set up on earlier b) is attacking you.
No I voted you because the manner in which you voted me exposed a double standard. If Shapelog pulled the same thing you better believe I'd be questioning the why and the motives.
Your associative read on SL/me does not take into account thread sentiment and the manner in which Damdred was trying/debating to lead the lynch on me. like I said before what sicklucker did after the 6th vote on Fecalfeast is WIFOM. THE TIMING OF HIS VOTE TO KOSHI OR ANYONE ELSE IS IRRELEVANT. those make your points invalid.
You made a point about NK wifom and Koshi and the point in my response to that is that it didn't make you any more town or me any more mafia, and that is the way you were trying to portray it earlier.
not really, you voted me because you were looking for a reason to choose between me and shape, I gave you one.
sl was a top lynch, if you were scum together, he would start counter attacking you the moment you sealed his fate, cause distancing.
also that doesnt explain why he switched his vote onto koshi last second.
these was his last words before the vote finished while he was voting hts
ike I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here
like lets be real here, whoever the scummer is, they have had 3 days to do nothing but feign innocence and plan this moment. the tumble lynch is implies they are in a good position as they have the room to kill 100 percent trs as opposed to threats. Your not that person, as theres no way dyh pushed you like he did if your scum together.
does this really seem like a scenario I would manufacture koshi? Having to go after arguably the best player in the game while desperately defending the worst one in ways that alienate you, another strong player, and expose me?
On May 03 2016 23:48 Koshi wrote: I don't see why HTS would leave me alive.
1) your proving why she would leave you alive as of this very moment.
2)
For me it is Shape or HTS. I think I said it a lot.
Let's lynch Shape;
Last game Shape continuously pretended he wanted to solve the game. Constantly saying he was going to reread etcetc.
you have hungered to kill shape since the dawn of time, i do not think it was at all unreasonable for hts to think she could convince you to lynch him over her, as she knows she the better player and as of last cycle you were stuck between them.
i was also pretty reluctant to kill her
hts seems too involved to be scum. If shes scum, that means she has a second hts in her head thats town who helps her keep her cover straight and make it look like shes solving a puzze.
Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame:
useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?
what is this mod tyranny you speak of
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w.e
On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote: I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum
##vote Damdred
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I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt.
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :
now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.
six I thunk?
townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).
More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it.
Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well".
Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere.
It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute.
cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.
I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.
I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-
This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times.
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.
But I don't understand why.
1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.
at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /
Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.
dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies.
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
w.e post more meh
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote: everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :
I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game?
On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote: Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.
Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do.
I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today.
shrugging of suspicion with smilies. Is this talking to scumread?? sad.
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff...
At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...)
Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you.
Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time
I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.
Saving buddy. Forgot about TT.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
Then why are you voting for SL?????????????????????????????????
Mistake XD,
Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot
Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.
lets be honest koshi, say i wasnt here, you have shape showing up making a few cases here and there and hts slaughters him for the whole of the cycle.
Would you honestly vote for shape in that scenario? Of course not, and of course she knows that. Youve had a "shitty townies deserve to die" vibe all game, it would be a super safe bet for an omega active scummer to bring in to this final 4 given me and shapes long absence.
On May 03 2016 23:46 gumshoe wrote: like lets be real here, whoever the scummer is, they have had 3 days to do nothing but feign innocence and plan this moment. the tumble lynch is implies they are in a good position as they have the room to kill 100 percent trs as opposed to threats. Your not that person, as theres no way dyh pushed you like he did if your scum together.
does this really seem like a scenario I would manufacture koshi? Having to go after arguably the best player in the game while desperately defending the worst one in ways that alienate you, another strong player, and expose me?
Lets be real (I.E. I have gotten a Idea)
And I know that part of this is to Koshisus, but I can't read.
Gumovingian has to scum read HTS here for the most part as either alignment. As he has, before hand, call me and Koshi town. Therefore, the only person left for him, and in case is HTS.
Now he could back track theoretically, yet, as town, unless something changes his mind, he wouldn't, and as scum that would draw a bit of attention and sus on himself.
So the defense, I could vote Shape off, but I am not, so town is kinda null In that respect.
Furthermore,
There wasn't a whole lot Gumovingian could do in that regard (in terms of who he thought was scum here) as after the GB flip, the only other person would be TT.
On April 30 2016 04:00 gumshoe wrote: Hey, so checking in, have to gm for some friends today so I'll be working on that mostly ) : but i'll poke in every once in a while in case anyone has questions.
I still think shape is town / : sorry koshi, that day 1 vote is pretty rock solid in my mind.
tumble-lol
koshi- no fucking way koshi is scum here ever
so that leaves hts and tt.
TT is in my blind spot, as I have trouble reading people who have accused me, Gbs death yesterday is an example of that, hts seems too involved to be scum. If shes scum, that means she has a second hts in her head thats town who helps her keep her cover straight and make it look like shes solving a puzze.
we also know that dyh had a tendency to hard town read actual townies (gb and fedie) sl also hard town read hts, but again, she looked objectively townie(if only because of activity) so they may have just been trying to appease her.
I honestly have no fucking clue whose scum between the two, tt looks fine as well honestly, he was a little reluctant to lynch dyn but so was I honestly, I'm probs not gonna vote today as I dont want another gb repeat T_T
when next I post it'll be with a thorough evaluation of the two of them, maybe shape too if I have time but as I said, pretty sure the dudes not derp enough to hop onto a mislynch.
Never sadly happen, anyways.
So Gumovigrian has to read TT and HTS. Yet, before hand, he had HTS as someone he wanted to lynch, and wanted to lynch (but after GB) and load and behold. We are in Lylo, with Gum and HTS, and gum is now saying that scum has to plan for it, thus he would = town, yet he could of plan it if he was scum and did.
So, long way about, Yes gum, you could of plan this as scum.
I don't care anymore gumshoe. You are going down. Learn to fucking vote.
You get the moral victory if it is HTS. You don't get it if it is shape because you suck. HTS gets the victory if it is you or her. She doesn't get it if it is shape because she sucks. Shape gets the victory as mafia because everybody is a dumbass pants on head townplayer. He doesn't deserve it if it is HTS or you but what you gonna do? I get screwed anyhow anyway xcept when it is you I guess.
On May 04 2016 00:05 Koshi wrote: Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame:
useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?
On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote: I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum
##vote Damdred
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I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt.
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
!
he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
##unvote
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
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-_- bitch, you know how I am
speaking of overanalysis
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :
now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.
six I thunk?
townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).
More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it.
Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well".
Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere.
It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute.
cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.
I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.
I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?
That said I dont like this bit from tic as well
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-
This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times.
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.
But I don't understand why.
1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.
at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /
Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.
dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies.
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote: everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :
I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game?
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff...
At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...)
Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you.
Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time
I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
Then why are you voting for SL?????????????????????????????????
Mistake XD,
Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot
Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.
my days 1s are always shit, and of course i trd hts, shes amazing, you keep associating shit play with scum when at the highest level the opposite is true. But you cant attack someone day 1 for "being too good" but as games roll on and evidence accumulates, we gain the ability to take down competent scummers with facts as opposed to base less accusations.
On May 04 2016 00:05 Koshi wrote: Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame:
useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless.
On April 20 2016 07:40 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?
what is this mod tyranny you speak of
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w.e
On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote: I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum
##vote Damdred
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I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt.
On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
!
he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
overall case stability-3/10
Backtrack on case. Why? Awkward as fuck.
On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
##unvote
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
slight townie read
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Something about Shape. w.e
On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
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-_- bitch, you know how I am
speaking of overanalysis
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
slight scum lean.
You like HTS and dislike Shape
On April 21 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:19 Half the Sky wrote: 5/40
FYI, yes I am (the lone) female in this game.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :
now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.
six I thunk?
townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie.
On April 21 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).
More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS.
On April 21 2016 03:18 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 03:06 Koshi wrote:
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it.
Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well".
Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere.
It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute.
cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.
I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.
I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?
That said I dont like this bit from tic as well
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-
This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times.
On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.
But I don't understand why.
1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.
at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /
Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.
dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies.
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
w.e post more meh
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote: everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :
I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.
Dyh seems like town on a cursory look.
more meh
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game?
On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote: Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.
Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do.
I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today.
shrugging of suspicion with smilies. Is this talking to scumread?? sad.
On April 22 2016 07:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:01 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff...
At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...)
Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you.
Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time
I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.
Saving buddy. Forgot about TT.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
mafia slipped. Also doing the smiley thing again.
On April 22 2016 07:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:16 Koshi wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
Then why are you voting for SL?????????????????????????????????
Mistake XD,
Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste.
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
TT was a pretty cool guy. RIP.
On April 22 2016 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:22 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot
Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.
my days 1s are always shit, and of course i trd hts, shes amazing, you keep associating shit play with scum when at the highest level the opposite is true. But you cant attack someone day 1 for "being too good" but as games roll on and evidence accumulates, we gain the ability to take down competent scummers with facts as opposed to base less accusations.
It has nothing to do with you being shit. It has everything to do with you not being able to show any form of townieness.
And don't give me that bullshit that your D1 is shit. You played amazing in the numbered game but Slam is a dumbass and shot you. You had the drive, the townieness was oozing out of you it was fucking criminal.
This game you couldn't look more like mafia trying to be a cool guy but failing so fucking hard.
On May 04 2016 00:12 Koshi wrote: I don't care anymore gumshoe. You are going down. Learn to fucking vote.
You get the moral victory if it is HTS. You don't get it if it is shape because you suck. HTS gets the victory if it is you or her. She doesn't get it if it is shape because she sucks. Shape gets the victory as mafia because everybody is a dumbass pants on head townplayer. He doesn't deserve it if it is HTS or you but what you gonna do? I get screwed anyhow anyway xcept when it is you I guess.
I like you koshi, but thats an awful way to play mafia ) : you win with town, you lose with town, the end.
if you honestly think im scum for playing terrible day 1 (as townies are want to do) fine.
but none of this moral victory bullshit, I want to win koshi, and all I can ask of you is to want the same thing T_T
also we may very well no lynch today if shape trs me / : not a guarantee as he didnt last time but who knows, so we may be in it for the long haul, so save some of the melodrama for alter : P
On May 04 2016 00:05 Koshi wrote: Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame:
useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless.
On April 20 2016 07:40 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else?
what is this mod tyranny you speak of
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w.e
On April 20 2016 07:47 gumshoe wrote: I may not be able to do anything about wild hair mangrel trump (canadia here) but I can at least stop this mafia equivalent from getting his hooks into this beloved forum
##vote Damdred
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I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt.
On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
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he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
overall case stability-3/10
Backtrack on case. Why? Awkward as fuck.
On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
##unvote
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
slight townie read
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Something about Shape. w.e
On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
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-_- bitch, you know how I am
speaking of overanalysis
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
slight scum lean.
You like HTS and dislike Shape
On April 21 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:19 Half the Sky wrote: 5/40
FYI, yes I am (the lone) female in this game.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
Why is LS town?
Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you not townreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced?
At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else?
Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view?
I have never played with you before so that is what I tend to do with unfamiliar players if I find something questionable.
You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble.
The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / :
now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys.
six I thunk?
townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie.
On April 21 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect).
More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS.
On April 21 2016 03:18 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 03:06 Koshi wrote:
Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO.
To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that.
Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it.
Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well".
Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere.
It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute.
cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun.
I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me.
I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac?
That said I dont like this bit from tic as well
Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.
in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_-
This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times.
On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote:
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.
But I don't understand why.
1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.
at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /
Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.
dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies.
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
w.e post more meh
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote: everyone else is null for me, I could lynch ff for his wasted post style but honestly 40 posts winded up bieng plenty it seems so that argument kinda doesnt matter unless some ones a total derp. Not sure anyones gonna hit the cap this round / :
I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet.
Dyh seems like town on a cursory look.
more meh
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game?
On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote: Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.
Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do.
I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today.
shrugging of suspicion with smilies. Is this talking to scumread?? sad.
On April 22 2016 07:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:01 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Haro,
town reads.
Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)
Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.
Damdred(starlord)
as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.
I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.
Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though
koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)
Shapelog(pickard)
seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.
gb (frank reynolds)
Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.
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end of town
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scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)
first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)
hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers
then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.
This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock
I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.
He's pretty town for this.
My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff...
At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...)
Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you.
Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time
I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng.
Saving buddy. Forgot about TT.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
mafia slipped. Also doing the smiley thing again.
On April 22 2016 07:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:16 Koshi wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
Then why are you voting for SL?????????????????????????????????
Mistake XD,
Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste.
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
TT was a pretty cool guy. RIP.
On April 22 2016 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:22 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote: I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
How come you are not pushing me?
Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.
And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...
Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.
Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot
Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.
my days 1s are always shit, and of course i trd hts, shes amazing, you keep associating shit play with scum when at the highest level the opposite is true. But you cant attack someone day 1 for "being too good" but as games roll on and evidence accumulates, we gain the ability to take down competent scummers with facts as opposed to base less accusations.
It has nothing to do with you being shit. It has everything to do with you not being able to show any form of townieness.
And don't give me that bullshit that your D1 is shit. You played amazing in the numbered game but Slam is a dumbass and shot you. You had the drive, the townieness was oozing out of you it was fucking criminal.
This game you couldn't look more like mafia trying to be a cool guy but failing so fucking hard.
umm in that numbered game eveyrone who wasnt you shanked me day 1. and in my most recent game i was town and created a bullshit meta case to hard tr scum onegu and another one to hard scum read a townie (tumble)
my day 1 is a fucking joke koshi XD dont pretend to know my flaws better than I do : P
also i was playing normal at the same time and most of my focus was there honestly / :
Ask yourself koshi, is my day 1 really that wierd for me? (its really not man XD) or do you just really want to not be totally wrong?
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