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7/40
I'm here. Picking up. I'll just call it as I see it.
On May 03 2016 02:03 gumshoe wrote:
Day 1: would I really so blatantly defended/ waffled on sl just as momentoum starts to build off him? I went from scum reading him to town reading him in a rapid span, seems like the kinda shit scum would want to avoid. Comparatively hts's interactions were a lot safer.
Night 1: why shoot damdred? As I said myself earlier, I felt he was a likely blue heal, plus he was tring me and dyh reasonably hard, sl was highly likely to die eventually so they didn't kill him for that guy. Damdred was constantly coming back to hts as scum, if scum was going to win this game with an hts dyh sl combo, it would be via hts's strong play. To that end, Damdred was a pretty huge threat, you also can't say the chance of heal is a non factor, as doc actually did heal Damdred, he just got rbd. With hts as trump card, the risky shot makes sense.
This first part is pretty WIFOM altogether, given Damdred's list, your reasoning cannot possibly exclude Shape, but we'll recap here.
On April 23 2016 06:22 Damdred wrote:
I had to run to the store so my post won't be posted maybe mafia won't kill me and I'll be able to post it when I'm home.
But ATM I have
Damdred
LS
Gumshoe
Ticktock
As my really pretty sure they are town
GB
Dyh
Koshi
As my probably town right now
Hts
Right now is a gut feel town.
I feel like tumble is really likely mafia with what I said.
Which leaves me in a world where SL, shape and james have two mafia in it from my perspective. Technically GB could drop here but idk I'm in his pocket a bit ATM with the hard town read earlier.
If I had to make a guess its James, SL and tumble. But i was still working through things
Several problems with the points you are making - LS (and even I admitted) mentioned the tactical wagon to shoot was myself, and scum could not have known that SL was or wasn't getting shot N1. Second, to suggest that Shape couldn't possibly be mafia from your own reasoning is poor at best, but I'll continue.
On May 03 2016 02:03 gumshoe wrote:
Day2 I come out with a huge case on a townie, and dyh chooses to fight me on my double town scum reads? Something's wrong there, again, also my reluctance to lynch dyh there was pretty blatant, as always you can't avoid the traps you don't know are coming.
This is not what I'd consider "fighting" nor did he do anything meaningful or push you in an alignment indicative manner with what you are claiming:
On April 25 2016 05:06 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:00 gumshoe wrote:
I'll consent to lynching fedie or gb, otherwise it's better to just kill me (the scummiest townie) cause I don't see a red flip coming from anyone else. You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town.
Night 2 lightning-another guy who was tring me pretty hard / :
This can't possibly be used in anyone's defence, even as he got out of the tunnel on myself. He was universally townread and was actively trying to organise town. It's pretty clear that most of the rest of town was disorganised and scum in general have taken advantage of that all game long.
On May 03 2016 02:03 gumshoe wrote:
Day 3 : I am incapable of putting that much effort into lynching someone I know is town, I have never and will probably never push a case that hard as scum. Meanwhile hts was going back and forth on me and gb as the scummer, which is pretty optimal for at some point getting us both lynched.
[...]
Also would I really go after hts here as scum? Koshi particularly begging to kill shape _- I'm not going for the easiest lynch, I'm going for the one I think has the highest chance of red regardless of if I deserve or even can do so
The self-meta and WIFOM aside, the bolded is also really bad and takes what I actually did out of context. I was hard scumreading GB before both you engaged with each other, and threw my case at him to see how he reacted, and at the time concluded both of you were town on town after engaging you both. I drew doubt to your timestamps and rightfully so, and you backed off, so how you are categorising this now is really shady. (GB's confusing read on Tictock threw me off, but as far as you two interacting I was getting reads on you both.) [/quote]
Koshi being willing to kill me at points this cycle also negates you "not" going for the easiest lynch, but regardless that doesn't make you town the way you are claiming.
Obviously you're re-framing your arguments to make me look bad, and your hitting me immediately for the second vote right off the gate to lock in a likely mislynch is very suspicious.
But I'll continue with your next post and go through the motions with Shape to be fully sure.
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8/40
On May 03 2016 08:35 gumshoe wrote:
I also dont think shape would let you into final 4 koshi / : your unkillable and eager to murder him.
And scum me would? Silly based on his lynch preferences across multiple cycles. Talk about double standards.
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On May 03 2016 09:09 Half the Sky wrote:7/40 I'm here. Picking up. I'll just call it as I see it. Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 02:03 gumshoe wrote:
Day 1: would I really so blatantly defended/ waffled on sl just as momentoum starts to build off him? I went from scum reading him to town reading him in a rapid span, seems like the kinda shit scum would want to avoid. Comparatively hts's interactions were a lot safer.
Night 1: why shoot damdred? As I said myself earlier, I felt he was a likely blue heal, plus he was tring me and dyh reasonably hard, sl was highly likely to die eventually so they didn't kill him for that guy. Damdred was constantly coming back to hts as scum, if scum was going to win this game with an hts dyh sl combo, it would be via hts's strong play. To that end, Damdred was a pretty huge threat, you also can't say the chance of heal is a non factor, as doc actually did heal Damdred, he just got rbd. With hts as trump card, the risky shot makes sense. This first part is pretty WIFOM altogether, given Damdred's list, your reasoning cannot possibly exclude Shape, but we'll recap here. Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 06:22 Damdred wrote:
I had to run to the store so my post won't be posted maybe mafia won't kill me and I'll be able to post it when I'm home.
But ATM I have
Damdred
LS
Gumshoe
Ticktock
As my really pretty sure they are town
GB
Dyh
Koshi
As my probably town right now
Hts
Right now is a gut feel town.
I feel like tumble is really likely mafia with what I said.
Which leaves me in a world where SL, shape and james have two mafia in it from my perspective. Technically GB could drop here but idk I'm in his pocket a bit ATM with the hard town read earlier.
If I had to make a guess its James, SL and tumble. But i was still working through things Several problems with the points you are making - LS (and even I admitted) mentioned the tactical wagon to shoot was myself, and scum could not have known that SL was or wasn't getting shot N1. Second, to suggest that Shape couldn't possibly be mafia from your own reasoning is poor at best, but I'll continue. Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 02:03 gumshoe wrote:
Day2 I come out with a huge case on a townie, and dyh chooses to fight me on my double town scum reads? Something's wrong there, again, also my reluctance to lynch dyh there was pretty blatant, as always you can't avoid the traps you don't know are coming. This is not what I'd consider "fighting" nor did he do anything meaningful or push you in an alignment indicative manner with what you are claiming: Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:06 DoYouHas wrote:On April 25 2016 05:00 gumshoe wrote:
I'll consent to lynching fedie or gb, otherwise it's better to just kill me (the scummiest townie) cause I don't see a red flip coming from anyone else. You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town. This can't possibly be used in anyone's defence, even as he got out of the tunnel on myself. He was universally townread and was actively trying to organise town. It's pretty clear that most of the rest of town was disorganised and scum in general have taken advantage of that all game long. Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 02:03 gumshoe wrote:
Day 3 : I am incapable of putting that much effort into lynching someone I know is town, I have never and will probably never push a case that hard as scum. Meanwhile hts was going back and forth on me and gb as the scummer, which is pretty optimal for at some point getting us both lynched.
[...]
Also would I really go after hts here as scum? Koshi particularly begging to kill shape _- I'm not going for the easiest lynch, I'm going for the one I think has the highest chance of red regardless of if I deserve or even can do so The self-meta and WIFOM aside, the bolded is also really bad and takes what I actually did out of context. I was hard scumreading GB before both you engaged with each other, and threw my case at him to see how he reacted, and at the time concluded both of you were town on town after engaging you both. I drew doubt to your timestamps and rightfully so, and you backed off, so how you are categorising this now is really shady. (GB's confusing read on Tictock threw me off, but as far as you two interacting I was getting reads on you both.)
Koshi being willing to kill me at points this cycle also negates you "not" going for the easiest lynch, but regardless that doesn't make you town the way you are claiming.
Obviously you're re-framing your arguments to make me look bad, and your hitting me immediately for the second vote right off the gate to lock in a likely mislynch is very suspicious.
But I'll continue with your next post and go through the motions with Shape to be fully sure. [/QUOTE]
i made a neutral mistake hts (time stamps) that in truth said nothing about my alignment, and twisted that into me trying to "bury a townie"
as for damdred's list including shape, I agree, shape may have killed damdred / : but I most certainly wouldn't have in that spot and I doubt dyh would ethier. There was a high chance of a heal, yet scum shot anyways. Meaning damdred was a threat / :
shape is town though as I said, cause of how dyh pressed him (doesnt at all gel with our existing record of how he treats his scum partners)
and he wouldnt have jumped onto ff last sec.
You on the other hand, are only ever attack by scum when there seemingly dead already (3 votes on sl) or trd by them.
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On May 03 2016 09:18 Half the Sky wrote:8/40 Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 08:35 gumshoe wrote:
I also dont think shape would let you into final 4 koshi / : your unkillable and eager to murder him. And scum me would? Silly based on his lynch preferences across multiple cycles. Talk about double standards.
i think it's safe to think you could convince koshi to kill me or shape / : we basically didnt play for days.
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hts quotes taken out of context number 1:
I'd like to see you look a bit more into some of the lower volume posters though and take a stance either way, I realise it's Day 1 but there has been some content at least from DYH and sicklucker.
some people say you can still hear her muscles strain from all that lifting so long ago.
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hts qoutes taken out of context number 2:
Fuck, I cant eat all this babies, I already filled up on kittens
that one may be exaggerated...
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9/40
For reference - associative reads only:
sicklucker on Shape/gumshoe:
On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote:
Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing.
So town read on Gumshoe, no read on shapelog, no real interaction otherwise with either.
Shapelog on SL and DYH
On April 21 2016 07:37 Shapelog wrote:gumshoe called me a cunt :/ A little one at that  Anyways, I've done my rounds in my other game. I skimmed tbh to this point right now (about to cook/eat dinner) and this is just some things I noted. * LS has fucking used almost 25 posts. And roughly about the time I wrote this statement, it is 24 hours in. I wouldn't usually mind LS spam, but he is chewing through them like hot cakes. like for him to try to condense it down. *GB has posted about SL. And that is still it. I want him to expand a little bit. He also seems to ignore Tumble/someone's post responding about if SL was serious or not. I feel like with the focus he is giving to SL, he should of responded to those (at least IMO)  YH and SL are silentOther than that, nothing strikes me off the bat. After Dinner I look at things more closely. [10? idk, I just say 10]
No actual read or interaction here.
From list post:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:[...] DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read. [...] SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it: Show nested quote +Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol) He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.
Read on SL a bit more meaningful, possible bus however based on SL activity/vanilla role. DYH read from Shape could indicate partners.
On April 22 2016 07:22 Shapelog wrote:
Yeah, I really do not understand the lynch progression on FF. Eh, Like others pointed out (and kinda was some of my thought) SL could have came back now to do it. But, eh, he could of done it as town too.
I'm switching.
This switch off is possible from either alignment.
On April 25 2016 07:26 Shapelog wrote:
I voted DYH because I can't remember anything other than the sus. about him and that is about it. Still reading thoy
On April 25 2016 07:29 Shapelog wrote:
Someone give me a quick reason why the thread thinks they are scum so I can catch up faster.
Personally, just skimming through GB's fliter, I like it a bit more than DYH.
Goes from zero reads anywhere to voting DYH, 50/50 here in town v scum. Pluses here is that he can eval as town like this, it is akin to Palmar's sexy filter method. Unsure of whether it could have been a vote to blend in as enough were switching to DYH.
DYH on Shape/SL and Gumshoe
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote:
Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote:
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
This read completely drops on Gumshoe and then progresses to "cautiously optimistic." Could be a contrived read from DYH or a soft push.
On April 23 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote:
Shape - We'll be getting into this more today, but my original reasons for voting him are still good and he is likely scum.
SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today.
Damdred - Cautiously optimistic.
Gumshoe - Cautiously optimistic.
On April 25 2016 04:56 DoYouHas wrote:
I get the reasons why gum is a good lynch, I agree with them, but I would rather lynch Koshi.
On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
Bolded statements indicate potential partner talk between gumshoe and DYH. Second points to an indecision type read on gum.
On April 25 2016 05:49 DoYouHas wrote:
This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi.
This part about Shape might weaken the (town) point about the hard push from DYH pushing him D1 when Shape wasn't in danger of being lynched.
gumshoe on DYH/SL
First a long list post in response to DYH's initial push. Then this conclusion more or less:
On April 22 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote:
Dyh seems like town on a cursory look.
On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual
On April 22 2016 07:01 gumshoe wrote:
Sl should have posted more by now / : for..... Reasons I am not supposed to say exist.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote:
I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
This is an interesting progression - first we have a reason to scumread him and then a poor reason to townread him. Checking thread sentiment along with the votes, this does make gumshoe look very poor, I know FF and Tictock did call him out for this.
On April 25 2016 07:26 gumshoe wrote:
I'm here XD there are children over that need distractions, but I'm here, I'm not at all crazy about the dyh lynch, I haven't gotten the chance to read him that much, but I guess it beats dying?
I know he eventually voted DYH but there are a few things between the partners that look weird to scummy here.
Very late, but I have to adjourn here. Not sure how much time I will have to play tomorrow, but will try my best.
Things that make gumshoe look bad - the read progression on sicklucker day 1 (see above) in conjunction with the votes. There is also some dialogue from DYH that indicates partner talk as also indicated above.
Shape doesn't have much going in his favour either, save the harder push from DYH, but I'm still finding more ATM from an associative reads standpoint on gumshoe. Not fully complete on gumshoe, but so far this is where I'm at.
Good night.
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@gumshoe Vote Shape
@HTS Vote Shape
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10/40
On May 03 2016 16:38 Koshi wrote:
@gumshoe Vote Shape
@HTS Vote Shape
At this moment in time, I think it's gumshoe, tbh, but I will switch because I think I see what you are trying to do.
I know your position and why, but I will continue reading filters during my breaks to be sure.
I'm in a business conference all day again today and I have a client dinner after that will run me into EoD, I will probably not be available in the hours leading up to the end of the game.
Shape if you are town, PLEASE STEP IT UP.
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I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called.
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On May 03 2016 18:38 Koshi wrote:
I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called.
While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story.
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On May 03 2016 19:31 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 18:38 Koshi wrote:
I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called. While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story.
So in all the posts HTS made you can't find anything more townie than the wifom around Shape and his scummates?
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On May 03 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 19:31 gumshoe wrote:On May 03 2016 18:38 Koshi wrote:
I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called. While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story. So in all the posts HTS made you can't find anything more townie than the wifom around Shape and his scummates?
Dude, townies fucking suck at this game. Someone bieng terrible and scummy is not a reliable way of catching scum unless it's paticularly uncharacteristic of them to be so. I've literally been in this exact position like 5 times and it's just as likely to be the competent player as it is to be the derp one.
Nk analysis plus vote analysis plus scum relations are the best way to find scum. And even if holes can be pocked at them, those holes aren't as likely as the obvious conclusions. All my instincts and logic say that the evidence points to shape bieng a pathetic townie, just like I am, just like fedie and gb were.
Hts is a strong active player who probably rolled with scum mates she could buss (ie lower than her in skill) so of course I expect her filter to look great. Just like blazings in vanilla / :
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Like... What about looking at the most townie things in people their filters instead of
looking at what possibly make Shape town in Shape his filter + scum
and
Looking at what possibly makes HTS mafia in her filter.
=
Doesn't add up.
Can you make me a list of all townie things HTS did gumshoe? All things that makes HTS unlikely mafia.
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On May 03 2016 19:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2016 19:31 gumshoe wrote:On May 03 2016 18:38 Koshi wrote:
I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called. While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story. So in all the posts HTS made you can't find anything more townie than the wifom around Shape and his scummates? Dude, townies fucking suck at this game. Someone bieng terrible and scummy is not a reliable way of catching scum unless it's paticularly uncharacteristic of them to be so. I've literally been in this exact position like 5 times and it's just as likely to be the competent player as it is to be the derp one. Nk analysis plus vote analysis plus scum relations are the best way to find scum. And even if holes can be pocked at them, those holes aren't as likely as the obvious conclusions. All my instincts and logic say that the evidence points to shape bieng a pathetic townie, just like I am, just like fedie and gb were. Hts is a strong active player who probably rolled with scum mates she could buss (ie lower than her in skill) so of course I expect her filter to look great. Just like blazings in vanilla / :
lol
She doesn't look great at all...
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Also you said it yourself, this is apparently hts's final game, so of course she's going to play her heart out
It's an external factor / :
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On May 03 2016 19:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2016 19:51 gumshoe wrote:On May 03 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2016 19:31 gumshoe wrote:On May 03 2016 18:38 Koshi wrote:
I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called. While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story. So in all the posts HTS made you can't find anything more townie than the wifom around Shape and his scummates? Dude, townies fucking suck at this game. Someone bieng terrible and scummy is not a reliable way of catching scum unless it's paticularly uncharacteristic of them to be so. I've literally been in this exact position like 5 times and it's just as likely to be the competent player as it is to be the derp one. Nk analysis plus vote analysis plus scum relations are the best way to find scum. And even if holes can be pocked at them, those holes aren't as likely as the obvious conclusions. All my instincts and logic say that the evidence points to shape bieng a pathetic townie, just like I am, just like fedie and gb were. Hts is a strong active player who probably rolled with scum mates she could buss (ie lower than her in skill) so of course I expect her filter to look great. Just like blazings in vanilla / : lol She doesn't look great at all...
Dude she has like 5 million wots, effort like that in some players iusually means instant tr XD.
That said no I'm not doing this cause of course I'm just going to find bullshit to justify my view. That's just how my brain works.
I have the highest rate of accuracy when I focus on key events in relation to players.
I can't explain why dyh would push shape and not sl
I can't explain why sl magically switched his vote off of hts
I can't explain why shape voted on ff last second
I don't understand why shape would let you into final 4
And I can't explain why scum shot Damdred unless he was a threat to their long term goals. Note this point could also fit shape
I have seen townies do things you cannot imagine Koshi. Focusing on key points is the most reliable way to catch scum that I have. I won't stray from that this game.
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Day 5:
Shapelog (2) - Koshi, Half the Sky
Half the Sky (1) - Koshi, gumshoe
Gumshoe (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi
Not Voted (1) - Shapelog
At the current vote, Shapelog is slated to be lynched.
until deadline.
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Shape who was 0 effort this game said this about a mafia:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.
SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it: Show nested quote +Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol) He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.
Which is pretty impressive. After he gave that list post he did nothing to push either sl or figure out DYH their alignment though.
But turned it miraculously around and he voted mafia sl on D1. Impressive once more. But looking at his post he kinda was looking to get off him. Why?
On April 22 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: Sicklucker
My reasoning in my list + Still not being here
Might not stay, (as I am still looking at things) but is where my heart is.
On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:Hmmm. I do not understand why FF was open to a HTS vote.Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 21 2016 07:06 Damdred wrote:On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum. And this is different than every other game how? Anyway I'm going to hedge on hts now until tommorow. It is bothering me sl is getting so little attention especially with his lack of try hard as s um lately. You're right, it's been a while I guess. I'll never pass up a chance to lynch SL, especially if he's being lazy  Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 01:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would like to vote and lynch sicklucker if he doesn't come back. HTS you're giving me weird tone feels right now it feels like you're talking down to everyone but maybe that's just me having only been awake 10 minutes He hasn't come back. So logic says that SL should be his lynched for today. Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 06:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Pssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
##vote sicklucker
frig off damdred Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.)
↑ please watch how FF was voting fecalfeast. The same person Shape thought was mafia. But for some reason right after voting sl, Shape goes attack the person who wants to vote sl with him.
On April 22 2016 07:16 Shapelog wrote:
Saltshaker, you finally decided to show up. Just 30 mins roughly from deadline.
Yay....
Prob. my 4/5 post or w/e
↑ Tinfoil (mafia talking to each other) BUT There is also no actual attempt from Shape to read sl. Just this. Strange when Shape was scumreading sl?
And D2 he again ended on mafia!! Impressive once more.
And D3 he did nothing because there was 0 pressure. Pushed the GB a bit but didn't put his hearth really into it. Also pushed another town lynch in TT already. Just doing what is needed. Blending in and making the right cases on the right people.
For D4 he didn't even vote. Which is not normal for Shape. I do believe he has really problems connecting to the internet but I also think that as town he would find a way to show his commitment to solving the game and wouldn't get catched by internet failure. Probably voted his scumread when he entered the thread. etc etc.
The guy is just playing reactionary D3 and D4 and is getting rewarded for it by dumbass shit townreads that people give him. I never understood why people townread him. Both HTS and gumshoe and this TW. And GB.
Only TT was skeptical and said he was probably town because the mafia spewed him town. Which was exactly my read on Shape but some dumbasses lynched TT and some other dumbasses didn't vote. But w.e that happened.
D5 more nothing. Just get him lynched. Last 3 cycles it is mafia riding to victory because town is fucking retarded to the maximum.
Gumshoe. Read this fucking case carefully. And tell me why the fuck you want to lynch somebody who wrote 5 billion words over Shape. Who has no real reason to be town except GAME FUCKING RELATED EVENTS.
While HTS was pushed by SL
While HTS made a shitton of questionable post. (which at that amount could come from town trying to solve over mafia trying to hide)
While HTS is really trying to solve the game. day after day.
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Also this post is fucking garbage, it is just rehearsing what happened. Nothing is getting solved. And that was his big post for D3.
On April 27 2016 02:44 Shapelog wrote:Alright, If life can allow me to fucking play, then I can fucking play. Some thoughts on the game. I thought gb, after reading, he actually was on during the time the DYH lynch started, yet he declared afk status about 15 mins before LS's post about wanting to lynch DYH. And his next post is a few hours after the lynch. If it was what I thought it was (He was here while the DYH was getting pushed) then I would TR him for not standing up and defending. Anyways, Gb was focused on SL early on, yet I can see both sides of the coin doing it. Yet the prob (and this has prob. been said, do not care) I have is SL. SL only written person he wanted to lynch D1 was GB Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote:Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing. I guess me or HTS he was keeping options open for. Anyways, So SL wanted to lynch GB, and posts this right afterwards: Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote:
Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox? SL then goes afk, GB posts some things about reads and such. So maybe, scum!SL changed his mind on GB. Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:On April 22 2016 07:17 Half the Sky wrote:20/40 On April 21 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
15/40
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sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions
(1) Why is Tictock strong?
(2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town
(3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long...
(4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it. sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post. And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me? 1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk 2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town 3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt 4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage Nope, he didn't. TT is a bit high on his list, for reasons he has trouble remembering. Noteing and moving on. What is interesting to me though, is that SL obv. spent his time arguing for his survival, yet had a scum read (GB) that he could push from a scum perspective. And with the votes: Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Vote Count: Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sickluckerLightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast At the current vote, Fecalfeast is to be lynched.
until deadline. Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:31 Hapahauli wrote:Final Vote Count: Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, DamdredKoshi (1) - SickluckerTroll voteLightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHasDamdred (1) - Fecalfeast So HTS was a weird vote tbh. GB was much higher in his lynch list, even stated points again that would make him scum again. Really out of place in terms of reads and what not. + note the open option he had on me and HTS. Idk, the fact that SL voted HTS (for being a lady killer?) over someone that he scum read makes no sense. The lynch was basically set at the time HTS was voted for too as well. What is even more damming is the fact that two mafia basically off wagon vote. Which is strange tbh. It could be that mafia was a course fine with the wagon, which makes sense. But 2 mafia off wagoning (at the end), is quite strange tbh. 3 other people (Fidei86, TT, and GB) all also solo wagoned as well (for a total of 5 off wagons) Then you got the people who voted for the people on the main wagon, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky and Me. Which, when I get more time, I look back at these people around the time of the start of the FF wagon.
D2: VC: Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Votecount - Day 2: DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeDoYouHas is slated to be lynched. Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time. Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post. The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.
Things I saw in DYH filter I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see. - Early pressure on gum
- Pressure on me
- Town read on HTS
- Pressure on Koshi
- Town read on GB (reason:case on Koshi)
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On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
- keep options open on me
- Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)
There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm. The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well. I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw. + Show Spoiler [OH YEAH] +Meta points on me have my 100% stamp of approveal. Also lol at tumble about me not spamming. + Show Spoiler +
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