I ll make 1 more post because it is 4 am and I can't sleep and I am pretty pissed off.
HTS you are getting lynched because yesterday I said the lynch should be Shape or HTS and you kept going on about TT while there was a fucking 0% chance the guy was mafia.
I explained in detail why he wasn't mafia, and you decided to fucking ignore it even after the guy made a zillion big WoTs posts.
If you are town HTS, the lynch on TT was the worst fucking play you ever did in your life. It is fucking ridiculous how fucking bad it was, the guy was never ever fucking scum.
So you are gettting lynched because you ignored me. You ignored TT his town play. And because TT made a good case on you. On top of that your D1 play was bad, you haven't lead town anywhere. You haven't lynched mafia at all. You justtyped a lot of words that went nowhere. Xcept TT, That guy you lynched.
I was really busy this weekend so I didn't watch this thread but when I did on saturday I thought that it was a lock lynch on HTS. But sadly 2 people cba to fucking vote so now I don't have the extra information on that.
If the mafia is between Shape and gumshoe it is really pathetic they didn't vote but w.e. Maybe it wasn't tactical.
But the TT lynch was so fucking bad and it was 100% HTS her fault. So now she is getting lynched for being that bad. But probably she is mafia so that is fine.
Shape wasn't pressured at all this game but got townread by literally everybody for no good reason so w.e gumshoe is a jackass for not voting as mafia but deserved the win because he was 10 times better than HTS.
HTS only deserves the win as mafia. Sadly we got to lynch her. kudos for your play as mafia, hard to do with those 2 teammates. Great posts during the D1 and D2. You were not lynched on effort alone, because your play was pretty scummy.
But if you are town you deserve to fucking get lynched as well.
On May 02 2016 09:18 gumshoe wrote: sl and dyh trd you pretty hard, thats not indicative of you bieng scum but it doesnt help me tr you ethier.
Regardless, my play has been lack luster and I may deserve todays lynch, but shape is def town here.
Again, this is wrong, again SL tried to get me killed, this has been said already once before, and associative reads are best done when the scum are ignoring their teammates or the interactions are meaningless, that's not at all what you are even saying here though.
when he voted you, he had the majority of votes (3-4) and you were one of the last to place said vote, he may very well have been distancing.
Obv I cant read the pages I missed and defend myself at the same time. But id imagine hts is scum for that vote. Shes not that silly
This is a pretty godamm half hearted offense hts -_- nothing like how dyh pushed koshi shape and to a lesser extent me. It is sl though / : but meh.
He attacked you cause you voted him(thats it) you voted him cause it looked like he was already dead / : on top of that he switched onto koshi pretty fast (only 12 minutes, he never even explained why he switched to koshi last second)
in fact he seemed to switch onto koshi (for no reason) my guess is he saw that he was making you into the secondary wagon.
a minute after this was posted, he switched votes with no comment on why / : he was still accusing you, but he was voting koshi, someone who was never getting lynched and who he wasnt currently accusing -_- yeah... looks a tinsy bit shadey.
I already have 1-2 people commenting on my behalf in the postgame, as thankfully I won't be around to deal with (or most of Tuesday for that matter) after the game ends. But I'll respond to this whilst and since I can -
On May 02 2016 10:48 Koshi wrote: HTS you are getting lynched because yesterday I said the lynch should be Shape or HTS and you kept going on about TT while there was a fucking 0% chance the guy was mafia.
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If you are town HTS, the lynch on TT was the worst fucking play you ever did in your life. It is fucking ridiculous how fucking bad it was, the guy was never ever fucking scum.
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But the TT lynch was so fucking bad and it was 100% HTS her fault. So now she is getting lynched for being that bad. But probably she is mafia so that is fine.
I wasn't the only one who voted Tictock, I won't claim to read Tumble's mind, but I would suggest you ask why he voted Tictock or why Tictock's posts gave him bad vibes.
Second, I wasn't the only one who scumread Tictock at other points in the game. My comments will address Fidei in the postgame for other reasons, but you should also ask him why he scumread Tictock as he did if this is how you feel. I not only pushed the meta, but bought into the prior arguments made against him, and rightfully so.
On May 02 2016 10:48 Koshi wrote: I explained in detail why he wasn't mafia, and you decided to fucking ignore it even after the guy made a zillion big WoTs posts.
And I explained multiple times over that his posting style was also present as mafia and this would not have been a factor in my decision. I read his town games but deliberately did not comment on them as I tried to make my posts a little more concise towards the end of this game. If you choose to ignore those arguments or ignore his posting style as mafia period, that part is just as much on you.
On May 02 2016 10:48 Koshi wrote: HTS you are getting lynched because yesterday I said the lynch should be Shape or HTS and you kept going on about TT while there was a fucking 0% chance the guy was mafia.
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So you are gettting lynched because you ignored me.
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But if you are town you deserve to fucking get lynched as well.
I'll call these statements for what they are, spiteful, and just as much as what you did in Haunted Mansion lategame. They address me as if I am town.
Several players ignored you, and quite frankly each other, this game, town had this issue all game, I'm just as much to blame as anyone else. If you arguing that makes me mafia then you are lynching me for something that doesn't necessarily make me mafia. Just saying.
On May 02 2016 10:48 Koshi wrote: If the mafia is between Shape and gumshoe it is really pathetic they didn't vote but w.e. Maybe it wasn't tactical.
2 votes a piece on two town wagons, no reason to rock the boat honestly as scum, but I'm sure this part will be explained in the postgame.
On May 02 2016 10:48 Koshi wrote: Shape wasn't pressured at all this game but got townread by literally everybody for no good reason so w.e gumshoe is a jackass for not voting as mafia but deserved the win because he was 10 times better than HTS.
HTS only deserves the win as mafia. Sadly we got to lynch her. kudos for your play as mafia, hard to do with those 2 teammates. Great posts during the D1 and D2. You were not lynched on effort alone, because your play was pretty scummy.
Again I was townread by several this game, you should probably ask those people after this game ends, what they saw in me that you weren't able. Most players played pretty scummy to one degree or another this game, the number of town/town arguments this game is pretty indicative of that overall, and re-reading your day 1-2 it was pretty apparent we had two different styles of playing this game, and not ever saw eye to eye, that is fine, but you admitted prior/during to the DYH lynch you had trouble lynching mafia yourself so to criticise me for the same is pretty hypocritical on your part.
I will flip town when the game ends, just understand you are just as much to blame for the loss for your attitude and play in mylo as much as myself. I'm fully aware I have played worse than usual but for you to play this way in mylo and then to turn around and then say this is quite astonishing.
Obv I cant read the pages I missed and defend myself at the same time. But id imagine hts is scum for that vote. Shes not that silly
This is a pretty godamm half hearted offense hts -_- nothing like how dyh pushed koshi shape and to a lesser extent me. It is sl though / : but meh.
He attacked you cause you voted him(thats it) you voted him cause it looked like he was already dead / : on top of that he switched onto koshi pretty fast (only 12 minutes, he never even explained why he switched to koshi last second)
in fact he seemed to switch onto koshi (for no reason) my guess is he saw that he was making you into the secondary wagon.
a minute after this was posted, he switched votes with no comment on why / : he was still accusing you, but he was voting koshi, someone who was never getting lynched and who he wasnt currently accusing -_- yeah... looks a tinsy bit shadey.
You aren't taking into account that SL only appeared in the last few minutes of the cycle, and readily took advantage of Damdred mis-reading me, but you're mafia, you can pretty much say whatever you please.
To contrast that to how DYH pushed Koshi is pretty funny actually, just like sicklucker did with Damdred, all he really did was piggyback off the push that GB led on Koshi all cycle 2 as follows:
On April 25 2016 04:56 DoYouHas wrote: I get the reasons why gum is a good lynch, I agree with them, but I would rather lynch Koshi.
I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town.
Well, you can't really tell someone is town by his way of posting when you're playing a post-restricted game. You're basically said he looks town by game events and that makes him mafia (so, meta-read). But you've just posted this:
On April 24 2016 04:19 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Shape
Underwhelming. I am also thinking people are pretty townie.
So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta?
Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"? Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1? By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"?
now with tumble town and me being town that looks somewhat really bad for gum.
I can't think for shit atm so I will just wait till I got some time to look into this. I guess I got to look into gum (which I found really fishy early, not the same as how he opened in the numbered game but he tried to look the same, which makes it suspicious). And then I got to look into hts and see if she was setting up this tumble ml. Would be impressive.
So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING?
See, Koshi, your thought process isn't clear. It looks like you throw thoughts out of the blue without any kind of consistency. You're following your own agenda. That's why I think you're mafia.
Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum.
Koshi led the wagon off of SL, attacks town all of day 1, and is very inconsistent day 2. He is pushing a scum agenda.
##Vote: Koshi
That's it. He said jack all on Koshi after that. Also the SL vote to Koshi was pretty irrelevant and after the 6th vote was on Fecalfeast, it is WIFOM at best.
For you to dismiss in such a short time, that is scummy, it is pretty clear you are taking advantage of Koshi's not moving his vote, which is obviously why you brought him to mylo, easy 1-2 vote for you, good on you there.
Actually backtracking...
On April 25 2016 04:56 DoYouHas wrote: I get the reasons why gum is a good lynch, I agree with them, but I would rather lynch Koshi.
Heck, this statement alone would partially indicate you two are partners, come to think of it.
let me drink my coffee and get done with this assignment, and in a while i start posting. I've caught up, yet want to read filters before hand. I forgot Gumshoe was alive (I thought he died, JATS game) this game.
I shall redeem myself from that Lylo in OMGUS. I owe it to Kush to actually play well. + Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, after that gb debacle, I don't paticularly want to get into a huge shouting match again, even if I'm right this time. Winning just isn't worth the repeat effort, at least not this game / : hts has played brilliantly, I have trd her for ever because she genuinely looks super duper omega town to me. I am forced to say otherwise now because Koshi and shape simply aren't scum based off their interactions and despite how terrible I've played I know what I am.
All the evidence is out there, nothing I say should really motivate you as everything that comes from me did not exist before this cycle. Given my day 2 I am easily capable of concocting circumstances to scum read someone who is town, so my self defense shouldn't really be a factor here / :
There are a few points of note though.
Day 1: would I really so blatantly defended/ waffled on sl just as momentoum starts to build off him? I went from scum reading him to town reading him in a rapid span, seems like the kinda shit scum would want to avoid. Comparatively hts's interactions were a lot safer.
Night 1: why shoot damdred? As I said myself earlier, I felt he was a likely blue heal, plus he was tring me and dyh reasonably hard, sl was highly likely to die eventually so they didn't kill him for that guy. Damdred was constantly coming back to hts as scum, if scum was going to win this game with an hts dyh sl combo, it would be via hts's strong play. To that end, Damdred was a pretty huge threat, you also can't say the chance of heal is a non factor, as doc actually did heal Damdred, he just got rbd. With hts as trump card, the risky shot makes sense.
Day2 I come out with a huge case on a townie, and dyh chooses to fight me on my double town scum reads? Something's wrong there, again, also my reluctance to lynch dyh there was pretty blatant, as always you can't avoid the traps you don't know are coming.
Night 2 lightning-another guy who was tring me pretty hard / :
Day 3 : I am incapable of putting that much effort into lynching someone I know is town, I have never and will probably never push a case that hard as scum. Meanwhile hts was going back and forth on me and gb as the scummer, which is pretty optimal for at some point getting us both lynched.
Night 3 null- just doc
Day 4 wasn't here XD sorry
Night 4 null, just vet, though tumble was tring me pretty hard as well / :
Also would I really go after hts here as scum? Koshi particularly begging to kill shape _- I'm not going for the easiest lynch, I'm going for the one I think has the highest chance of red regardless of if I deserve or even can do so
In general my actions don't really make sense as scum, I barrel forward into landlines and push with conviction I can't possibly have if I'm scum.
Hts is smart and active, but she always like that apparently. Koshi remember cell mafia? Remember my push on prplz? For better or worse, (likely worse XD ) this is who I am when I think I'm right. I know your frustrated with towns shitty play and hts is actually trying, but is that anger worth losing?
On May 03 2016 02:25 Koshi wrote: lol I was kidding voting you tbh. Even though those are some really bad reasons to call yourself town for.
##unvote ##vote HTS
Top scum likelyness: 38% HTS 38% Shape 24% gumshoe
In my eyes. But I might be wrong.
kek, yeah the reasons arent that compelling in general XD ive honestly been pretty bad this game.
The point about the damdred nk has merit though, if we assume hts is scum, we can further assume that the team built thier plan around her as she probs had the best chance of winning.
we also know that scum took a risk in shooting damdred and actually managed to kill him based purely off luck (rb) therefore they must have had a good reason for it. Doesnt really match with me bieng scum, as he was tring me pretty hard.
Damdred was a pretty large and consistent threat throughout day 1 to hts, he was also kind of cooling on her (but still had her in his bottom 5) at the time of his shot so it was a pretty great time to kill him.
makes sense to me / :
damdred was also scum reading shape, but as you know I tr him for dif reasons (mainly dyh interactions and his day 1 vote)
Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.
Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts.
Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum.
Shape - We'll be getting into this more today, but my original reasons for voting him are still good and he is likely scum.
does this honestly seem like scum on scum koshi? I really cant see it / :
On May 03 2016 08:17 Koshi wrote: OK guys while brushing my teeth I have decided that we will lynch Shape.
He is very likely mafia based on his play.
Gumshoe I expect you to sheep me.
I think HTS played a good enough game to get the win. I think I can see her be town.
I literally do not understand why you people dont want to lynch shape. He has done nothing and it seems that it is working.
This is my final vote. Gumshoe I expect you to sheep me.
like I said, dyh's push on him does not come off as scum on scum. We have actual correlations now here at the end of the game, we can reason through lynches and kills.
relying on our gut and what we find inherently scummy hasn't helped ether of us catch scum. You were sure fedie was the lynch right up until he claimed and so was I about gb right up till he died.
given the situation, I think it's best to focus on the key events, sure they can be written off as wifom but I dont think the other way is much better.
Fact1, damdred was killed while townreading shape and me(also dyh) and while posing a threat to hts. He was killed despite the likelyhood of a heal (which did happen) implying thier was a gain to the shot. If shape is scum, they took a risk shot for no reason.
fact2- sl did not start attacking hts till she voted him(when he was already a leading wagon), if we assume thier scum together, she must have already started bussing him at that point, making his half hearted vote back onto her likely just distancing. He then switched off her for no given reason onto you koshi, presumably because he saw that his vote was making her into a potential shenany wagon.
fact3- dyh went after shape hard, why attack your active scum mate while giving sl, his inactive scum mate a pass? Comparatively he omega green read hts / :
fac4t- why would shape jump onto a wagon that he knew was going to flip green? makes no sense.
I dont claim to know what is inherently scummy in peoples play, I may pretend to for the games sake but whats to separate true derp from scum derp? Very little in truth, but I simply cannot reconcile a shape scum team with the above points, they have little to do with what I think is right or wrong, they simply stand in opposition to what may seem like a clear lynch to you.
I also dont think shape would let you into final 4 koshi / : your unkillable and eager to murder him.
I will not be sheeping you on this koshi / : im sorry. Really dont think shape is scum here
also hts usually plays well as ethier side, if we let her pass because of that, does that mean she always deserves the win as scum? Why bother playing if shes in the game XD
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