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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:23 GMT
#366
24/40

I switched to FF. My head is spinning right now.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:25 GMT
#371
25/40

On April 22 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote:
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On April 22 2016 07:21 Half the Sky wrote:
23/40

On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote:
Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho


Why? Read my filter, I highlighted again what I took issue with before I said what I did about lynching you.


like I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here


Alright, with your re-entry, I can buy this explanation.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 22:37 GMT
#400
26/40

Well I'm sorry for that fuckup FF, and Koshi, you'd have gotten the exact same result except a more active player would have gotten lynched.

I'm going to break and return later tonight if I can, I have a few RL things keeping me up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 00:06 GMT
#418
25/40

I'm back, probably for south of another hour.

On April 22 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Also super funky that hts went from being 100% ok voting with ff on SL to 180 and vote him when it looks like the SL wagon loses most it's mojo with me going meh let's do something else.


Damdred. Wow. I don't even.

On April 22 2016 07:11 Half the Sky wrote:
19/40 + 4/5

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On April 22 2016 07:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:
19/40 + 3/5

Since it's apparent no one wants to lynch LS, then I'm going to go ahead and switch to sicklucker.

why are you ignoring FF wanting to lynch you?
why are you ignoring FF all together?
xcept that horrible post in which you wrote 5 lines about him being 100% null.


I completely missed him wanting to lynch me honestly in having the bazillion tabs open and reading all the filters.

I saw remants of his town game in 155/156 (this post similar to reads he made in NSM18, which I coached/186 and 245 (the comment on me is reflective of the town paranoia that I saw again in NSM 18).

This is extremely weak though and I know I could very well be wrong on him.

As for sicklucker I had 4 questions for him that remained outstanding and all pointed tot he problems I had with his list post.


On April 22 2016 07:17 Half the Sky wrote:
20/40

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On April 21 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
15/40

[...]

sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions

(1) Why is Tictock strong?
(2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town
(3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long...
(4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.


sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post.

And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me?


On April 22 2016 07:19 Half the Sky wrote:
22/40

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On April 22 2016 07:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd really prefer to play later in the game where it's easier to make reads. I've posted reads when I had them.


Now THIS is a remnant of the Dark Tournament (mafia) Fecalfeast.

>_<


On April 22 2016 07:23 Half the Sky wrote:
24/40

I switched to FF. My head is spinning right now.


That plus SL posts 357/362 and I was dealing with all that in a matter of minutes.

Honestly, Damdred, I know I made a mistake with the last minute switch making a snap judgement call and I take 1000% responsibility for it but if you also can't be arsed to read my filter and see why I did what I did then I really don't know what to say.

The read on LS aside which we just disagreed on it is also extremely frustrating to read your posts and realise that most of your concerns are largely answered just by reading my filter. You had a first post that mentioned overexplanation which I'm pretty guilty of as both alignments (and some people actually knew that too) AND I explained that. You said earlier that I was randomly dropping names and I have ZERO idea where that came from or why what I was doing was suspicious. I addressed multiple people as I was consolidating posts earlier and I was calling things into question as I saw it. Then another post by you says I'm acting strange. I have no idea where you are coming from most of the time with any of your ideas on me, leading up to End of Day.

I don't blame anyone for questioning me regarding the vote switch alone but the way you've approached reading me all cycle has been very bizarre. Especially for someone who should be familiar with the best and worst of my town games.

I had re-read your filter and isolating out the reads on me, the rest of your reads on other people and the points you've made on others (namely tictock and the observations re: gumshoe) I want to say you are town, but I still find it utterly frustrating how wrong you are on me.

Carrying on...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 00:36 GMT
#423
26/40

Re-evaluating. I'm seeing a few gaps re-reading some filters. I'll start with Koshi.

On April 21 2016 07:42 Koshi wrote:
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On April 21 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote:
It irks me the wrong way because you did not comment on the post from HTS that I found extremely townie. And even though you know I really liked that post and am willing to townread her.

You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do.

She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more.

The bolded comes over like a story you just made up to narrate my suspicion on you. I can understand why you meta wise still scumread HTS after she made that post, but I don't understand why you don't tell me that HTS could still be mafia after I made it clear I townread her for it.

And the fact you made the post about HTS being mafia was triggered by FF saying you discredit a lot of people and are not looking for mafia. And you scumreading HTS still doesn't explain why you used my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. It also feel like you kinda spewed both Damdred and Koshi town by saying. "I had the same read as Koshi and Damdred, so fuck off" Which is not exactly what you said but it felt like that.


I am also somewhat puzzled by the fact you are not trying to save your posts. You are just blatantly spamming and I don't think that is very townie of you. You must understand that your posts become more valuable the closer to the deadline.



Anyway LS, I will probably follow Damdred his read on you. Please try to keep good track of your posts and don't let me baffle you too much.

Also, if you really believe HTS is mafia. Make sure you have good long and solid posts left near deadline on why she is mafia. Because we will need solid posts to lynch her.


I just read HTS her posts and she brings up a really good point that I also wanted to bring up but didn't. You close your eyes to the quality of that post.



On April 22 2016 04:43 Koshi wrote:
7. DoYouHas
9. GlowingBear
12. gumshoe

These 3 people look fine to lynch. I think I want to keep HTS around. But I think LS is at least twice more townie than HTS. But I don't know if I want to lynch in them atm.


On April 22 2016 05:59 Koshi wrote:
My read on LS is that he is probably town and that I wont lynch him.


So Koshi, you were pushing LS for at least 4 posts (page 1 of your filter) until page 11 of the thread. I read from 11 through 14, specifically in context as to what LS was posting regarding his push on me and who else other than myself could be mafia in his eyes. What I cannot account is how LS played between the changes in your reads on him - what exactly did he post or what did he do that changed your mind on him?

I can guess in context as to why you were scumreading me but where is the justification for your change in read on LS? I see Damdred made his read RIGHT before that final quote (and you said you'd sheep him) but further pulling this sequence apart, he made no other comments on LS prior to the quote where you said LS was more townie than myself.

Independent of Damdred, you gave him some degree of townieness after you spent some time pushing him (and even voted) - so what gives there?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 01:44 GMT
#424
27/40

Blargh never mind. I thought I saw an issue with Tictock, but after re-reading he concludes town on Koshi. He'd called his LS read bull prior to Koshi changing his stance on LS but his final read was town based on other criteria. Meh.




Reconstructing the votes against sicklucker and FF in the voting thread, I have 4 on him, 3 on FF before gumshoe switched effectively hammering FF.

The two solo votes that emerged in the thick of the two wagons forming were DYH on Shapelog and gumshoe on Tictock (prior to the switch on FF). I know that there was a back and forth between gumshoe and Tictock that I'll look into later...

But this DYH push on Shape and wagon evaluation would appear to come from a townie mindset.

On April 22 2016 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
@koshi, Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum.

@the rest of you, Shape's read on me is seriously suspicious:
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On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:

DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.

I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with.


On April 22 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote:
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.


I have to re-evaluate everyone - when I see most of the reactions in this thread to the lynch and the number of people that have said something along the lines of "game is hard" "weird" "something's not right" and this chaotic EoD.....scum are playing well. Really well.

Of the scumteam, I have a hunch someone's got me fooled, someone's either suggesting or pushing my lynch and someone's doing a great job of playing under the radar and right now I can't really put my finger on it.

I'm looking at the votes and I know I'm town so we had two town wagons, possibly three (sicklucker, though I'm not fully positive, but likely based on the votes) the solo voters are annoying and I'm pretty sure there's one in the solo votes but looking at how everyone and everything shifted, there HAS to be one person jumping around, I had 3 votes at points in the cycle total, with Koshi and Fecalfeast willing to shennanie. (Tictock suggested SL)

People that voted for FF at any given point: Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
People that voted sicklucker at any given point: gumshoe, hts, shapelog, Damdred, FF (Tictock)
People that voted for me at any given point: LS, SL, Damdred, (FF, Koshi)

Starting point for me I think when I pick up again but I'm stopping here for the night.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 13:57 GMT
#428
28/40

LS, that was the whole point of me illustrating the wagons the way I did and reconstructing the votes - this whole "big resistance to my lynch" argument is a moot point - had everyone of those people been on me at the SAME time, that is what would have happened esp given the nr of solo voters we had.

It was clear as day that town were extremely disorganised and I'm giving this viewpoint of the wagons knowing my own alignment.

Now the remaining townies can choose not to believe me, and that's fine, but if/when I flip, this is the knowledge they get to proceed with. It is obvious to most experienced players that shooting me (or at least DT checking me) gives you info on me and people who were voting me. I cannot fault any investigative role for taking that decision if that's what they want to do.

The people who were townreading me had legit reasons to do so and/or called the wagon a bad one. Yes it's true that scum can defend me or whomever they can choose, but there were enough people townreading me or not willing to lynch me D1 that they cannot all be scum.

So the "big resistance" argument does not entirely hold water and I get sceptical of anyone pushing that idea entirely instead of taking something I actually DID (i.e. the vote switching? fine) that makes me mafia in their eyes. I cannot control how half the player roster votes.

sicklucker while I want to say is town based on the votes alone, the question is why he would choose to isolate me from the others that brought his name up. I was not the only one that brought his name up on the fly, the others are just as guilty as he suggested. Thinking it through, he wouldn't know gumshoe, Shapelog or Tictock (see first quote), but why me over Fecalfeast or even Damdred - if he was so afk he would have questioned everyone (he knew) voting him.

On April 22 2016 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
Obv I cant read the pages I missed and defend myself at the same time. But id imagine hts is scum for that vote. Shes not that silly


On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote:
Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho


On April 22 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:21 Half the Sky wrote:
23/40

On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote:
Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho


Why? Read my filter, I highlighted again what I took issue with before I said what I did about lynching you.


like I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here


Like why did he only see me and not the others? Coincidence? If he's town, hopefully he'll also take a look at the others that switched on to him at some point. There is a mafia in there but it's just not me.

Anyhow, still trying to re-read when I get every few minutes...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 14:08 GMT
#429
29/40

Also gauging their interactions with each other and in the context of the end of day voting, I am also of the opinion that there is one mafia between Tictock and gumshoe (expand quotes for the fuller picture)

On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote:
Haro,

town reads.

Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)

Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.

Damdred(starlord)

as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.

I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.

Hts - (Magonigal)
same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though

koshi (shelob)
Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)

Shapelog(pickard)

seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.

gb (frank reynolds)

Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.

------------------------------

end of town

---------------------

scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)

first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)

hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers

then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.

This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books.

##vote tick tock




I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.

He's pretty town for this.


My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.

Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual


On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:35 gumshoe wrote:
Haro,

town reads.

Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp)

Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried.

Damdred(starlord)

as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point.

I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me.

Hts - (Magonigal)
same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though

koshi (shelob)
Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses)

Shapelog(pickard)

seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read.

gb (frank reynolds)

Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations.

------------------------------

end of town

---------------------

scum TICK TOCK (shibukai)

first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons)

hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers

then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me.

This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books.

##vote tick tock




I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to.

He's pretty town for this.


My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault.

Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual


On April 22 2016 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 22 2016 07:22 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:19 gumshoe wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote:
I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.

Ff is the better choice methinks.


How come you are not pushing me?


Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps.


And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me...

Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads.


Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot

Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum.


The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 21:50 GMT
#446
30/40

Been reading. I could definitely buy into the Tumbleweed lynch and even though I think associative reads aren't great, there's a decent chance of a TW/SL team here.

305

On April 22 2016 06:47 Tumblewood wrote:
aahhhhhh FF's filter is so bad
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On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.

2

like what is this
this is so bad
and how did I not see it earlier


310

On April 22 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
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On April 22 2016 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I have a bunch of posts left wanna fight about it? Why is that bad?

Bad because a) there were AI things there and b) gumshoe treats everything as if it's AI


315

On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden.
Going now but will be back just before deadline.


386

On April 22 2016 07:29 Tumblewood wrote:
Now I'm back and kinda caught up
1 minute goes by though and there are five more posts to read
probably going to make sense of this all at eod but glad to see you all sheeping me


403

On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote:
NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen.
Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though)


386 and 403 speak to exactly what Damdred just spoke of. I would lynch him for that.

Also here's something that might point to a TW/SL team.

On April 21 2016 14:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Phoneposting so no filter-diving for now but everyone is asking the inactives (that's me!) to at least tell where they stand so whatever.

town
Koshi for Koshi-ness
LS for defending me in a way that resonated with me (but oh no am I really the new LS)

town lean
Damdred for feeeels
TT for actually having a stance and trying, unlike the two scum games I played with him
I liked something from GB earlier and didn't dislike anything else does that count

scum lean
HtS feels unnatural to me but I don't know her meta... sources say it is just her meta but sources also scumread her so
SL for being useless but eh I'm not so into this one

null
Most people
I feel like I should have an opinion on FF but I don't


I checked timestamps Tumble makes his first call at 2247. And SL reappears at 2303. So there is a potential agenda there as to why TW called out FF and why not SL when SL was by his own admission useless.




In separate news, I read into how LS continued to push my lynch to End of Day. I am starting to think he's probably town.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:06 GMT
#449
31/40

Also another point against Tumbleweed - lack of followthrough from post 386. Just realised that too.




Still reading. I have a sense of paranoia as to how Koshi was playing Day 1 based on how selective he was with certain people, I felt at times he called people out for things that could have have been applied to others. Despite my giving reasons for deliberately ignoring FF at the time I did. He kept accusing me of undermining him which was pretty weird. He called out FF....why not sicklucker? Yeah he was active, but he seemed agenda-ish. And the change on reads for LS before sheeping Damdred was still weird.

And should TW especially flip red, it is interesting he paid no mind (I don't think??) to the likes of TW, SL, and very little on Shapelog throughout the cycle.

In fact read his filter. He has said ZERO on Tumbleweed and sicklucker prior to End of Day. Associative yes, but it's something of note, especially when he voted FF who was town, he was going to switch to me and I'm town, and he voted LS at one point. His defence of sicklucker amounted to too scummy to be scum, which IMO is a bad argument.

On April 22 2016 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 05:45 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why SL jeeps somehow avoiding people's lists, he's almost done the least amount in game and hasn't posted in forever.

Besides that I am curious how tumble has such a hard town read on gb in this situation?

Dnu. I think sl is actually so extremely horrible he is maybe not mafia :/


On April 22 2016 07:00 Koshi wrote:
sicklucker has been posting the last 13mins in the other game it seems.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/506344-a-normal-game-just-for-jat-3?page=91

That would be really a dick move to his scum partners.


The latter of which is moot when sicklucker has demonstrated lazy scum games before thus his participation in another game is moot.

Something isn't sitting right with me on Koshi. Maybe my paranoia's off and he's town. But something isn't sitting right.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:09 GMT
#451
32/40

Tumbleweed, sicklucker did hardly jack all between the time you called him useless, the time he came back to try and get me lynched when you questioned why people were switching to him and hasn't done jack all through night phase.

On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon
anyway
SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm
damdred looking even stronger
gumshoe is looking a little better
on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though


Why is he weird all of a sudden now?
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:20 GMT
#455
33/40

On April 23 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
Alright, I am split right now between games, but I am here and will read stuff and publish some reads hopefully before the day ends.

Some of you are asking me about my vote. The reason I switch is because the "I would vote HTS" post didn't make sense to me. Then I cast my vote for FF. After I saw the VC (which came after the deadline) I made the commit about it being swing, but by that time, time was up for me. As my clock was ahead by a min (6:29).

that is basically it. If i had more Time i would argue and switch but I didn't


I can believe this and I remember your dialogue inquiring his vote on me. I remember almost running into a hosting issue because your clock was off by a minute in Star Wars and you called End of Day a minute early. In any case, I still have to re-read your filter, but you wouldn't be my top d2 lynch anyhow.




GB, if you have problems with Koshi/gumshoe/LS, or if you still do, why not discuss more openly? Or at least discuss Koshi with me? If you don't trust me, fine, but I posted about Koshi twice in the night phase. What do you think?

LS you were also suspicious of Koshi. Why?
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:25 GMT
#457
34/40

On April 23 2016 07:16 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote:
26/40

Well I'm sorry for that fuckup FF, and Koshi, you'd have gotten the exact same result except a more active player would have gotten lynched.

I'm going to break and return later tonight if I can, I have a few RL things keeping me up.

Dani's all like "oh no, maybe I should have been on LS, like you would have expected from my filter, except I was on FF for literally no reason".

Dani / TT makes a fuck of a lot of sense to me right now. Damdred is town I think. SL too. And Tumble.

The last one could definitely be GB.

(For the post game swag)


LS wasn't getting lynched. I mentioned that if I wasn't getting traction on his wagon at least twice I was going to switch. The votes were shambolic and we needed to consolidate, we still had a shittonne of solo voters, but I was interested in consolidation if my primary wagon wasn't headed anywhere.

Same thing I told you that I told Damdred - read the process I used (my filter) where I deliberated between sicklucker and Fecalfeast. That tells you why I switched.

Why are sicklucker and Tumble town? Especially Tumbleweed.

Why are we on a team?
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:30 GMT
#460
35/40

Not making a list post as I'm still re-reading.

I am sure Damdred is town, LS is probably town.

Gumshoe seems to be more townie given night phase, I still feel I might need more to be a bit more confident in him.
.
Tictock I am still re-reading. The self meta is whatever, but I do know he has had suboptimal town games, which isn't farfetched when town bombed d1.
Shapelog I gotta read more.

Koshi, I have Koshi-phobia because he could be mafia.

Fidei I am just putting him in his own category, he's drunk and overworked, could be possible as either alignment but if he starts falling off hard, then I would lynch into him because I know for a fact he hates mafia.

TW/SL top votes atm.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:30 GMT
#461
2/40

YES!!!!!! WP VIGILANTE!!!!!!!!
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:34 GMT
#467
3/40

I'm sure Tumbleweed tried to bus here. See my posts during the nightphase tying those two together.

##vote Tumbleweed

POST 446 YOU HEARD THE ASSOCIATIVE READ FIRST

On April 23 2016 06:50 Half the Sky wrote:
30/40

Been reading. I could definitely buy into the Tumbleweed lynch and even though I think associative reads aren't great, there's a decent chance of a TW/SL team here.

305

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 06:47 Tumblewood wrote:
aahhhhhh FF's filter is so bad
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.

2

like what is this
this is so bad
and how did I not see it earlier


310

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I have a bunch of posts left wanna fight about it? Why is that bad?

Bad because a) there were AI things there and b) gumshoe treats everything as if it's AI


315

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden.
Going now but will be back just before deadline.


386

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:29 Tumblewood wrote:
Now I'm back and kinda caught up
1 minute goes by though and there are five more posts to read
probably going to make sense of this all at eod but glad to see you all sheeping me


403

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote:
NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen.
Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though)


386 and 403 speak to exactly what Damdred just spoke of. I would lynch him for that.

Also here's something that might point to a TW/SL team.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 14:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Phoneposting so no filter-diving for now but everyone is asking the inactives (that's me!) to at least tell where they stand so whatever.

town
Koshi for Koshi-ness
LS for defending me in a way that resonated with me (but oh no am I really the new LS)

town lean
Damdred for feeeels
TT for actually having a stance and trying, unlike the two scum games I played with him
I liked something from GB earlier and didn't dislike anything else does that count

scum lean
HtS feels unnatural to me but I don't know her meta... sources say it is just her meta but sources also scumread her so
SL for being useless but eh I'm not so into this one

null
Most people
I feel like I should have an opinion on FF but I don't


I checked timestamps Tumble makes his first call at 2247. And SL reappears at 2303. So there is a potential agenda there as to why TW called out FF and why not SL when SL was by his own admission useless.




In separate news, I read into how LS continued to push my lynch to End of Day. I am starting to think he's probably town.

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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:52 GMT
#477
4/40

On April 23 2016 07:37 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani, what do you think about TT leaving SL off his list early on? I think you commented on it at the time?


On April 22 2016 01:00 Tictock wrote:
A few people asked why I left SL out of my "lynch list" earlier. It's weak but I felt like his first couple of posts were him trying to get the game going by throwing out an early vote. His last post reacting to GB's push felt kinda genuine as well.

His list post wasn't terrible and I kinda doubt he'd back off LS with the reasoning "hes so cute and trying hard" as scum.

So while SL is being very low key this game I'm not feeling like that is scum indicative.


That could go either way, but Tictock was pushing TW all D1.

Also the associative read is based on agenda

(1) why did he called sicklucker useless and then question why he was getting lynched before sicklucker came back in thread (6 minutes per timestamps) - the former part of that is what is called soft pushing which is what scumbuddies do with each other. There is lack of follow through. It's obvious if you read TW's filter.

(2) he jumped on fecalfeast for a really shady reason before questioning why people were switching to sicklucker.

(3) after the lynch he tries to distance by saying "why did you sheep me"

(4) End of Night, he all of a sudden out of nowhere says sicklucker is looking weirdest to me at the moment. It's a clear bus. It was out of nowhere and it was well after he was feeling pressure.

(5) To add to 4, sicklucker did hardly anything to change TW's read from a nautral perspective. Especially when TW criticised him before but did nothing about it - his reads are/were inconsistent with his actions, which shows an agenda, now he needs the cred because he's under pressure.
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 23:43 GMT
#482
5/40

Seriously I can't believe it's Tumblewood, I think Tumbleweed because I think of the balls of grass that roll on the plain...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbleweed

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Back on point, I'm going to try and reconstruct the votes.




Vote Reconstruction

2124, approx 2h prior to EoD

On April 22 2016 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Not voted (5) - Shapelog, DoYouHas, Damdred, gumshoe, Fecalfeast


2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer

On April 22 2016 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (1) - Gumshoe

Not Voting (1) - DoYouHas


2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes
DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake.

Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF

Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker

2330 - End of Day 1

Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker, Damdred
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
Koshi (1) - sicklucker, sicklucker
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

Observations:

(1) Look at how Koshi and Tumbleweed vote together, between DYH and FF. It looks weird. I know it's associative but I can't help it, especially when Koshi was light on SL.

(2) gumshoe is more likely to be mafia for his switch to FF - this is PURELY on the votes though and not taking into account his gameplay. But voting alone it makes him look worse.

(3) Shapelog is more probable town since he was on SL the longest. Additionally my suspected scum Tumble cast a negative light on all three of us at the tail of the FF lynch so maybe it's possible we're all town here.

(4) Fidei and GB are coinflips based on how they played the lynch.

(5) If Tumbleweed flips mafia as I would expect, then Tictock is likely town.

If Tumbleweed and sicklucker are both mafia, then I will go as far to say Koshi is the final mafia. There is a very strong association and Koshi's defence of sicklucker was too scummy to be scum.

For postgame cred: Koshi/Tumbleweed/sicklucker

It would make sense given Koshi's selective reasoning Day 1, and how he was pushing mostly if not all townies left right and centre, didn't bring up Tumbleweed at all Day 1.

If Koshi is town, then mafia are in GB/Fidei with a VERY outside shot of Shapelog or DYH.

Thoughts? Discussion?
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 23:54 GMT
#483
6/40

On April 23 2016 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:
SL's filter goes very bizarrely with HTS being scum.


Are you tinfoiling? If not, why?

On April 23 2016 08:13 Shapelog wrote:
Hts, I don't understand the associative read in some places.

Primary The first 2 really aren't associative with SL at all really IMO. They are calling FF out on something that I am guessing TW missed while reading FF. (this is after the read list via time stamp)

I understand #315 and the last. The last two is kinda weird on themselves. (the change)

I can kinda understand Tumble also about the opinion on FF part. I feel he said that because people were calling him scum for things at the time (while SL wasn't heavily talked about) and he felt like he should have a opinion on him. have to relook though.


Regarding your question it's an issue of double standards. It's not the same EXACT reason he used for scumreading both, but he could have easily said "omg sicklucker is STILL useless - let's vote him instead!!!!" I might not be articulating it well but you have to take his entire read progression as a whole to kinda grasp what I'm driving at.

He showed preference towards FF in the lynch over sicklucker. We now know the alignment of both. That is really what I'm trying to say.

Ah, and whoever the vigilante is, I could kiss you right now. You've made town's lives shittonne easier. <3 <3 <3 <3
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Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 23:58 GMT
#484
7/40

On April 23 2016 08:31 Koshi wrote:
dnu. sicklucker might vote for hts as scumbuddies there. He dares to buss. But I think HTS is pretty much in the clear for her play right before and after deadline.

I could still EASILY be mafia with sl. Dnu why I wouldn't.


And I wasn't before? Do I smell appeasement?

On April 22 2016 07:10 Koshi wrote:
Are we lynching HTS?

I am up for it.


On April 22 2016 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Meh. Should have went for HtS instead. Oh well.


On April 23 2016 06:51 Koshi wrote:
If I reread I am pretty sure I can find 4 people I solely want to lynch within. Had a good feeling before the lynch. But meh.





I need to AFK. Probably it for me tonight. Scant time Saturday, I'll rove on mobile, but definitely around Sunday.

Good night.
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