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On May 02 2016 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sure bro. I am a bit puzzled though how my reads were astonishingly bad when you scumread the same people at D2-D3 i did (except with my control Superbia would have been shot on N1 most likely) aside you ofc, but it is unlike you would scumread yourself anyways. Are you saying you played astonishingly bad aswell or what's with the "bash rayn"? hint: you didn't play good yourself. 
The astonishingly bad comment was ritoky not me.
I called a vigshot on 2 people, one of them was mafia. I did call superbia mafia all game and was about to vote him when he fakeclaimed. We lynched him day2. Correct play.
I correctly analyzed the votecounts later and said it points towards Onegu+Rels and also had this combination as one of the most likely teams while you never had a single correct scumread besides superbia after his claim which quite frankly everyone had correct. You said Onegu is town for whatever nebulous reason and you said rels is town for a really shitty reason. I did neither. Every scumread of yours was town.
This was certainly not my best game - I will give you that. But the whole town including me had better reads than you.
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On May 02 2016 18:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:28 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm That was what JAT did aswell. + he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it. Nope. I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town. Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit. Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town. I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS.
Bro, you even said it would be a good idea for super to go after palmar in the scum qt. And no, I certainly would not treat my scum partner this way.
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On May 02 2016 18:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:35 justanothertownie wrote:
I correctly analyzed the votecounts later and said it points towards Onegu+Rels and also had this combination as one of the most likely teams while you never had a single correct scumread besides superbia after his claim which quite frankly everyone had correct. idk when you did that but from what i see you voted for Shapelog and Tumblewood on D3 when i stopped following the game at the start of that day. It's kinda bs to say your reads were better AFTER i didn't read anymore, when at the time i did read your reads were the same.
I never townread those people so by definition our reads were not the same.
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On May 02 2016 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is a fact for you JAT:
When i stopped following the game not a single person in the game had found more mafia than i did, except for sicklucker (and maybe gumshoe, i am not sure). Definitely not you.
Sicklucker? The guy who said shapelog was confirmed mafia? Why don't you just admit that you didn't even read the game.
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On May 02 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:35 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 18:28 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm That was what JAT did aswell. + he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it. Nope. I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town. Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit. Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town. I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS. Bro, you even said it would be a good idea for super to go after palmar in the scum qt. And no, I certainly would not treat my scum partner this way. I thought that when gumshoe made this huge post about Superbia being town for going on Palmar. Doesn't change the fact that I would have pressured him for that post if I was active when it was posted. I did actually, but it was later, after he was out of the thread.
Yes, when I had already done that.
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On May 02 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is a fact for you JAT:
When i stopped following the game not a single person in the game had found more mafia than i did, except for sicklucker (and maybe gumshoe, i am not sure). Definitely not you. Sicklucker? The guy who said shapelog was confirmed mafia? Why don't you just admit that you didn't even read the game. And where exactly did your vote end up on that day?
Nice deflection.
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On May 02 2016 18:44 Rels wrote:
lol this fight p:
rayn commited to his reads so it's pretty unfair to call him out when it's like impossible to have solved the game D2 and from the obs QT, so without being able to pressure people into the things he called out to see if they are true or not
*day3
And I am not calling him out for being unable to solve the game since obviously noone had done so at that point in time. But he ranted and ranted about how something completely nai makes me "100 % scum" and how he would always lynch me for it while townreading both mafia. When clearly it did not make me mafia and everyone besides him was easily able to see it.
It just means he would always be terrible.
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On May 02 2016 18:53 sicklucker wrote:
tbf shapelog was meh.
mafia is alot like baseball. if you have a .500 average your a superstar
Shape wasn't great but it is still the only mislynch I regret from this game. It wasn't necessary.
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People just shouldn't join 2 games at the same time unless they are ABSOLUTELY sure they can deal with it. It really had a big influence on this game overall.
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On May 02 2016 18:56 Rels wrote:
Shape EOD1 was the scummier of any player apart from Superbia himself. It was an easy lynch to push
I think tumble not voting his counterwagon is a lot worse than what shape did even though that was weird too. But had we lynched tumble before shape this argument wouldn't have been used so much.
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What? The faked mindmeld?
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Yeah, the irony didn't elude me at the time either.
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Totally called it btw:
On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
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On May 02 2016 19:05 Rels wrote:BTW nobody can say Superbia played well but I thought this was pretty cool: Show nested quote +
I think I may do
"If I'm the vigi I'm shooting Palmar.
If I'm the doctor I'm saving Gumshoe."
1 hour before EoN.
To affect PR actions during the night. That may clear up the way for KP on Palmar.
I think no doc ever protects Palmar after that post. Or at least it's less likely. This BS theory of "he's keeping options open" was so bad though, ofc he will claim doc D2. p:
Yes, nothing he did after the claim was really believable. He could have made the doc cc had he put in some effort but apparently he didn't want to.
Well, somewhat understandable if you have scum burnout.
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On May 02 2016 19:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 19:05 justanothertownie wrote:Totally called it btw: On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense. Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town.
Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense.
Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time.
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On May 02 2016 19:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 19:09 justanothertownie wrote:On May 02 2016 19:07 Rels wrote:On May 02 2016 19:05 justanothertownie wrote:Totally called it btw: On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your " OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense. Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town. Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense. Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time. You were 100% right, me busing Onegu was a little obvious actually. But I feared that if I was pushing Tumble while having Onegu as my #2 scumread, I would also be obvious partner trying to get Tumble lynched while scumreading his partner just in case. IDK it was a hard situation and I chose the easy way.
I know. You wouldn't have as town though ^^
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On May 02 2016 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It honestly doesn't matter what your interactions with Superbia were. The fact is that regardless of your interactions you scumread him, refused to vote for him over some random person on D1, then called a vigishot on someone else aside him despite telling that you think he is with over 50% certainty scum (when Fazers was clearly just null and nothing more -- especially compared to his play - or lack of it - on D1). Then you tried to argue somehow your interactions with Superbia make you town (yes that's literally what you said in thread), when your actions regarding Superbia speak 100% otherwise. Yes, i was wrong, but still, i would 100% lynch anyone who does that, especially if it is a player of your caliber. That is just terrible play -- if it is coming from town.
The bolded is why what you are saying is so terrible. Of course it matters. Like the rest of my play which was easy townread by everyone else.
To adress your points: I did not refuse to vote superbia at all. I was about to vote him (literally had it typed out) after I said I would sheep Palmar on him. He then claimed a role and barring a cc it is always the correct play not to lynch him then. There is nothing wrong with that.
I did call for a vigshot on him. I retracted that later and said we should shoot in the lurkers/unknowns instead. True. Which is also the correct play since you would have to be 100 % sure superbia is mafia to call a shot on him here. And there is no way to be THAT sure. Lynching him day2 and giving the real doc a chance to cc if needed is way better than to handle this in the nightphase. This is always the correct way to proceed.
If you 100 % lynch anyone who does that then you are 100 % wrong and terrible on top of it.
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On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote:
I am sorry that I didn't kick and scream to lynch superbia day 1.
If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play.
No, it is not. Wtf.
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In a closed setup you have a point Palmar. But not in an open setup. If super is town he always trades with a mafia or becomes confirmed town in theory.
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