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justanothertownie
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On April 28 2016 01:15 Rels wrote: It's an response to the argument "Rels voted Tumble when the vote was 2/2 Superbia / Tumble", not a general one. If Tumble was super townie but I voted him anyway 'cause I planned on doing that I would have looked terrible. | ||
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Rels
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On April 28 2016 01:14 sicklucker wrote: well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up. Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive. Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched. I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason Sry that is a flawed logic. Just because in one game where Superbia didn't look super terrible you didn't bus him doesn't prove that in another game where Superbia looked terrible from the start you didn't bus him. And it's not even taking into account the fact that in that game Superbia was your only buddy and your jailkeeper. | ||
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Rels
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justanothertownie
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Nobody says you planned it. But the fact is that it is a vite to save super at that point. I know it sucks if you are town but you can't defend yourself tthat regardless of your alignment. | ||
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justanothertownie
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On April 28 2016 01:18 Rels wrote: Sry that is a flawed logic. Just because in one game where Superbia didn't look super terrible you didn't bus him doesn't prove that in another game where Superbia looked terrible from the start you didn't bus him. And it's not even taking into account the fact that in that game Superbia was your only buddy and your jailkeeper. And the fact that super looked way less terrible in storm. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On April 28 2016 01:18 justanothertownie wrote: Grrrrr... Nobody says you planned it. But the fact is that it is a vite to save super at that point. I know it sucks if you are town but you can't defend yourself tthat regardless of your alignment. False. This "planning" is actually the argument p: the argument is "Rels voted Tumble when it was 2/2", so yeah the timing part of the vote is the argument. It would be true if I had suddenly voted Tumble over Superbia when nothing in particular happened. .But since my vote was motivated by an event happening in the thread, the argument doesn't prove anything anymore. | ||
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Rels
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justanothertownie
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On April 28 2016 01:20 Rels wrote: False. This "planning" is actually the argument p: the argument is "Rels voted Tumble when it was 2/2", so yeah the timing part of the vote is the argument. It would be true if I had suddenly voted Tumble over Superbia when nothing in particular happened. .But since my vote was motivated by an event happening in the thread, the argument doesn't prove anything anymore. No, it is not. You can just jump at an opportunity to save your buddy. Noone says you planned to vote someone else at a specific point in time or votecount. Don't be silly. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On April 28 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote: And the fact that super looked way less terrible in storm. i disagree no one thought he was town. He skated by because he pushed rstoulin who flipped mafia (because I targeted her for that reason) What he did do well that game is fight lynches that were on him. twice he was about to be lynched and he got it off by posting alot at the hour. the other 47 hours of the day he was pretty much a walking scum bucket | ||
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sicklucker
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justanothertownie
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On April 28 2016 01:23 justanothertownie wrote: No, it is not. You can just jump at an opportunity to save your buddy. Noone says you planned to vote someone else at a specific point in time or votecount. Don't be silly. I thought SL's argument was that I voted at that specific point in votecount, this point being "2-2". If it's not then I want to know what is his argument. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On April 28 2016 01:36 sicklucker wrote: i disagree no one thought he was town. He skated by because he pushed rstoulin who flipped mafia (because I targeted her for that reason) What he did do well that game is fight lynches that were on him. twice he was about to be lynched and he got it off by posting alot at the hour. the other 47 hours of the day he was pretty much a walking scum bucket Bro you just said "it's highly likely Superbias asked his teammate to bus him from the start" in whatever terms you used, you cannot use that to defend yourself. The situation is so different too: - Superbia is storm tried a lot more and wasn't scumread a lot D1 - You two were 3P, busing him makes no sense 'cause it doesn't bring you towncred even if you're the reason he is lynched, you could still be scum trying to lynch 3P - He swas your JK so you had even less incentive to bus him | ||
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sicklucker
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On April 28 2016 03:33 sicklucker wrote: why cant I? I provided evidence where super asked me to bus him and I refused I just listed 3 reasons | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On April 28 2016 03:36 sicklucker wrote: Like I bus way less then the average person dispite what jat says. He was my scum partner the only time i ever really bussed. I cant actually think of a clean bus I ever did since then. and I really only bussed in that spot because I was the second wagon and there was no reason not too It doesn't convince me that you, in a hypothetical situation where youre scum knowing you will be afk d1 and that superbia asks you to bus him, wouldn't afk your vote in him | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
and more things I should have said yesterday His reads have hardly evolved since D1 D1 reads: Me as top scum, Super as likely scum, GB/JAS as maybe scum. D2 reads: Super as lock scum, me as scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum. D3 reads: Me as top scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum. D4 reads: Me/Onegu as scum. Why does this make him scum? Because town has fluid reads. Rels hasn't reacted organically to new information. This is how he reacted to me misremembering an rsoul post: + Show Spoiler [initial reaction on me] + On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote: So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too. This is an unnatural way to react to such information. It's a very clean-cut case and should have a pronounced reaction, not an explanation of why it's scummy (not necessary) and a "not believable" (that wording just feels off to me, but maybe it's just confirmation bias). His reaction to Super's blue claim: + Show Spoiler [blue claim reaction] + He sees Super claim "PR" right before being lynched, and asks which one. There's no evaluation of whether that means he's scum or town; he's not determining Super's alignment when he really should. 2. He's pressuring wagons regardless of his vote D1: Rels keeps asking me questions after his initial scumread of me, and he adds his own reasons to the Superbia wagon, but he does not ever try to change the course of the lynch when it goes from me to Super to GB. D2: 9 votes on Super. Pushing wasn't really necessary (not that Rels didn't do it). D3: He's pressuring Shape but also doesn't want people to vote him over me, which is a total conflict of interest. D4: He pressures me hard (arguably harder than Onegu) but keeps his vote on Onegu. Why is this scummy? His votes do not reflect who he tries hardest to get lynched. If you want someone to get lynched on any one day (the indicator of this is who you are voting), you should push that person, but he does not push the person he is voting harder than the other wagons. 3. He jumped onto my wagon D1 for worse reasons than he had for Superbia + Show Spoiler [superbia stuff] + On April 17 2016 04:00 Rels wrote: I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ? On April 17 2016 04:05 Rels wrote: Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia. UOTE]On April 17 2016 04:06 Rels wrote: On April 16 2016 21:55 Superbia wrote: Actually why not. ##vote: rsoultin Let's see what this brings. Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum His reasons for me were that I messed up, but his reasons for Superbia were that he was actually covertly scummy. Why is this scummy? A good player such as Rels should be able to determine what is alignment indicative and what is not, and he decided that a read based off of a tunnel-y focus and a fuckup was good enough to switch off of one based on how scum acts when they're actually trying not to get found out. 4. PoE Assuming I am town, as has been the thread consensus since D1  (I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a big reason I think Rels is scum)+ Show Spoiler + also remember this On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote: I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote: And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: where I'm at right now: null most people don't want to lynch gumshoe because innocent town rels because actually trying ows because actually trying palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him could lynch today rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot yeah that's because I can disagree with someone's scumread that attributes AFKness to scum burnout and still believe in shooting AFKs | ||
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