Not Voting (5): Kurumi, Rels, Tictock, Shapelog, LightningStrike
When I see this I really start to doubt myself. I should probably just have kept pushing the TickTock lynch, he was clearly around a few hours ago and now he still didn't cast a goddamn vote after even posting his candidates.
Well yea, I want to wait till last min to vote Koshi. It would look weird if I vote my townread this early.
I'd actually preffer to lynch Slam and maybe Kuru, but neither of those are gunna happen. So I'm debating between Tumble and Rsoul.
Right now I'm not sure I see Tumble being scum, but I also gave him a pass way too easily last game so I want to get caught up and filter him before I vote.
I'm also not sure why you are so tunneled on me, you just think I'm trying to mimic your afk style of scum play?
Kus you know, I've seen that work WONDERS for you...
What? You are waiting to vote to look more towny? Why the fuck would you do that? Tell me the mind set you have here TT. I find it hard for you to be doing something like this as a town.
On March 29 2016 06:25 Damdred wrote: I think Tt is a decent shenany if we go that route though
On March 29 2016 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home and I see Tina,Koshi ,and Tumble are up for lynch. Ugh I don't Tina to be lynched that for sure. Idk about Koshi and Tumble lynches. This is hard to think who would be scum ebtween tumble and koshi....
No it is not. Fuck you you are mafia. I knew it I shouldn't have placed you so high when I did.
You have had me as town the entire fucking game. GRTZ on showing face in such a dumb way.
*note if true also*
On March 29 2016 06:43 Damdred wrote: Who would be up for a switch to Tt let it be known.
Damdred and vivax (2)
On March 29 2016 06:50 Tictock wrote: Skimming Tumble's filter just in case:
Didn't see anything that made me think he's town. Some of his posts about the Gum wagon and how certain he was that Slam is town feels off to me. There was some other wierd stuff like in one post he basically says "I haven't read a lot of what's been posted, but want to see more posts so I can make better reads"
Feeling fine with this lynch.
*noted*
On March 29 2016 06:57 Koshi wrote: if tt get's enough votes so I get lynched I will be really sad.
My guess is that tumble is mafia and dnu why I am not getting lynched.
I really doubt TT is mafia.
*noted*
On March 29 2016 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 2 Final Votecount
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On March 29 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote: I think it confirms koshi as scum, and unless we had two,mafia up in tumble koshi then went to tt. Means that we probably don't have many on the bus if any but probably a couple slipped on.
I think this should be more noted in timestamps of when TT "gave up" ..
My notes so far to page 128 - I have guests and may read some more, and do a read drop later in the game night.
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Ls dandred and rels voted to kill mafia.
So this leads me to believe that obi/koshi/kura have a shitty ass track record. Now the whole koshi/kura confusses me and one is ikely town so for now I think todays vote should be very easy based on vote logic
##vote obiwans
I dont like this at all - when I read day 2 (i looked ahead at the flip for the last half) Obi was one of the FIRST for a TT lynch - I'm pretty sure he is town - look at his filter.
On March 30 2016 21:47 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up guys and Rels starting to wavier sigh.... I know I defended Tina a lot but I thought I had a good tone read on her and I was fooled.......................... I honestly thought I would get modkilled over night so I kinda relieved but at the same time shakey.
On April 01 2016 00:00 Koshi wrote: I agree with all. SL is mafia or 3p for sure. Superbia is not doing jack shit. Tumble is only mafia if there are 2 teams. VA made mistakes. OWS is an empty suit. ritoky can die.
I could see OWS as mafia as well if there are two teams, the towncred he has (at least from me) is the TT lynch - I see others have had some mindmelds with him though (was it ritoky?)
I won't be around much today - state testing and making sure it goes smooth.
On April 01 2016 06:29 sicklucker wrote: Like the remaining mafia either a separate or same team are most likely lurkers mark my words. Obi/va/ls/super/scott 2 or 3 of them and maybe one of ritoky or rels. It sucks because I have no idea without vote logic because thats usually how I read these players.
Thats another point. Rstou/kurimi were more or less found out based on vote logic. Theres alot of value for mafia to lie about them being one team
I haven't seen a whole lot to go on - ie. beyond Kurumi - not a whole lot else has changed for me.
On April 02 2016 13:34 Tumblewood wrote: I oppose that VA townread on so many levels. First, the scum points are really detailed and logical, but the town points are all [but one] explained by meta or not at all. I also feel that there were some seriously scummy things in his filter that were overlooked. Of course, our reads won't be identical, but there's more scum points to VA than just his D2 vote. ...Now that I get down to it, I really only disagree on one level, and that level is, "VA is scum and you're wrong." For more explanation on your wrongness, please see the big ol' scum case in my filter.
That's nice - who would you like to lynch?
Town points for who else sees the bad in this post.
On April 02 2016 13:25 sicklucker wrote: I would be down to lynch koshi tbh . I know its not happening but hes either town with every wrong read (literraly everyone its amazing ) or third party.
And hes much more likely to be mafia with rstou/kura then someone like ritoky who he thinks is an auto lynch? like get out of here
On April 02 2016 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I thought the kills were both pretty obvious and don't really implicate anyone tbh.
What you pretty obvious? Rels was still a question mark for some people while Damdred is a claimed blue yet Damdred didn't die.
Damdred not dying is the biggest question mark, as is his claimed protect on Rels and his subsequent miss. Why exactly Rels would be shot over the claimed doctor that initiated a switch on mafia on day 2 is...More than a little bit strange tbh.
what i dont get is if hes not acualy a doctor why he would claim the save on rels and not someone else
WIFOM shot man. You are good at reading other sides way better than I do - you don't see this one yet?
On March 26 2016 05:21 LightningStrike wrote: Guys who should I vote and why?
You should vote Rsoul for the reasons i stated. the bigger question is, Who do you think you should lynch? Which player is the most scummist in your eyes and why?
I don't think Tina is scum tone says town. Idk who to lynch hence why I asked.
Well do you find anyones play so far scummy? anybody you don't mind lynching? Anything other than nulls or townreads?
Maybe Tubesock? Idk man I don't want to lynch Tina atm >.< To many inactives in the game some might be scum some might be town just wish they would post more for us to figure out their alignment
On March 26 2016 00:49 LightningStrike wrote: List of Town that I got from my filter: Gumshoe: Flipped plus I was startign to get town vibes from him after some interactions with him. Superbia: Despite falling off he still was pretty tryhard trying to solve the game. JAT: Meta he pointing smart things and dumb things and exlpains why they are dumb or smart. Koshi: Angry Koshi is Town Koshi from experience with him. Damdred: Seems okay content wise not lynching him Day 1 just hope he would produce even townier rainbows. Tina(rsoultin if people need her TL name): Guts and feeling says town on her tone. Shape: Little spammy town maybe idk he kinda weird now that he played as scum but it feels innocent? Slam: If I wrong on any of my townreads it's slam and he would probably be 3rd Party due to his role. List of Null: Lurkers: Duh although stutters had 1 post and not returned after that post. sicklucker: Rip ability to read him.
roughly 6 of your town reads are "active people" Math states that at least 1 to 2 people. But lets ignore that. LS what from Tubesock do you read as scummy. And if you feel like it, what are your thoughts on tumble/Kuru?
His vote for sandroba rubbed me the wrong way. Like he was looking for a excuse to vote someone. Kuru I have as town I just forgot to include him in the list >.< Tumble null maybe leaning town he seemed like a Newbie as far I can tell based on post count but also he seemed to act like one too but some of his complaining seemed to be townie.
On March 27 2016 08:04 Koshi wrote: That being said. He was still town and there isn't mafia kp. So nha, sandroba mafia. Goddamnit but why claim it :/
Why would mafia!sandroba shoot stutters?
+1
On March 30 2016 09:12 LightningStrike wrote: Decided to play some league of legends and I finally cooled off. I hope I don't get modkilled now :\ Sandroba I do say very mean stuff when I angry so I sorry but your sudden read change is so odd hence why I called it stupid ONEGUS because of me defending Tina all game long. I might just like her to much Anyways Damdred is telling the truth he actually did coach me through my last scum game and the reason I pissed other than this game was I had to deal with 2 exams in the last 48 hours so yeah I tired and pissed outside of this game.
...
Damdred -
Speaks very little of
a null post of
On March 25 2016 03:49 Damdred wrote: VayneAuthority Kurumi Stutters695 sandroba Rels Tictock Tumblewood Tubesock
Right now I think most of the scum is in this list so far, or at least people I would think about lynching today. Kurumi, VA and Rels are sort of fringe being off the list just because I think they seem like they could be useful if they are town down the road so far. Rels is pretty idk difficult right now he doesn't have a few of his town things he generally does going for him.
The others are an assortment of policy/low volume/failure to postings/no real smart things so far.
"Interesting"
OWS-
weak -
On March 25 2016 21:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Sandroba is probably town. Too much going on in his posts for him to be mafia.
I can't let OWS ride his townride anymode from his filter -
On March 29 2016 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote: going to vote for tumblewood now I think he is the highest chance to flip mafia. If nothing happens im going back to policying rsoultin for circlejerk and added benefit of info.
You know what? I can also do this.
Tumblewood - this post is his most info
On March 26 2016 14:54 Tumblewood wrote: "Wake up, town" reads list VayneAuthority - idk how anyone is TRing him. He was here for a little bit and now he'll miss all of this phase. That's NAI at best. Kurumi - He's almost comically angry. I'm kinda just sheeping Rels on this and Damdred - His reads are really shallow, like "LS obv town" and nothing else. His D1 scumlist also sucked-- 2 plynches, tubesock, and kurumi (the only one who even kinda goes against what people think) [and me but with a disclaimer]. ALSO one time he said there's one scum between me and Tube because of some nonexistent exchange between us. k i'm done now i swear sandroba - Making the same reads as everyone else (when present), but for much worse reasons ObiWanShinobi - he hasn't been present much, but I like the quality of his reads Koshi - people are like "oh angry koshi = town koshi" but his displays of emotion so far have been utterly fakeable Rels - he's been insightful this game and actually has original, non-obvious reads which are hard to fake when you're not looking for something justanothertownie - I don't want to read his filter so I'm just going to say he's being aggressive and leave it at that. ritoky - Either obv town or obv scum and I can't tell which is which sicklucker - Doesn't he on D1 act scummy even as town? If not everyone in Devil Inside Mafia lied to me. Alakaslam - he's a vig Shapelog - He blends in far more than he usually does. Usually when he blends in it's because I'm ignoring all his posts, but this time it's because I don't notice it's him. Even though he has a 7-page filter, it seems he's not putting very much effort into the game. Vivax - he's doing a pretty alright job, y'know? rsoultin - I was really on the fence about this earlier but with Tubesock turning up town I think rsoul is also town. LightningStrike - One time I played with someone who was obvious town in his first game. LS is playing the same way, except it's not his first game. This makes him ??? Superbia - He's attacking the game in unorthodox ways, which I think is townie, if that makes sense.
On March 24 2016 22:50 rsoultin wrote: eh, fuck it, i don't respond to terrorists ^^
##vote ritoky
nh, super, dude, losing patience @.@ "reactive" obv means emotional posting and i have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't have an idea on koshi after you've been around this long
On April 03 2016 16:51 ritoky wrote: actually now that i am looking at this....you've been looking for excuses to call me scum all game since like 2 hours into the game.
you didn't like the angle shooting so i am mafia. you erroneously try to say i vigi shot the guy i town read 5 posts before he got shot, you then side with "confirmed town" rsoul and say she clearly has a great case on me, then rsoul flips red and i am still mafia apparently, then you realize i can't be with her so you start a 2 mafia teams narrative, then this phase you realize i can't be in either 1 mafia team (which is likely what it is) or 2 mafia teams so now i have to be sk (even though you've rattled on about SL must be sk almost as much as you've called me mafia).
you're just constructing narratives constantly to call me mafia, which either means you're the most mafia siding town who is solo throwing the game away or you're just scum.
Backing this up with quotes would be helpful instead of OMGUS would be helpful.
Cuz i am a cop and i checked your ass last night. ... April foolz
No there is mutiple things i find wrong with you.
First:
I find that after D1 and 2 your not so much trying to get town to figure out the major stuff. Sure you have speculated about KP, roles, what you have done, but it really is WIFOM. It is what i would think a mafia member would do to look like they are contributing.
I mean the way you were on D1 feels very very different than now. You went from trying to get info, making traps etc. to, well this.
I mean you can sit there, yell into the thread. It will not help anyone if you are town or scum for that matter. Instead maybe, maybe, stop calling people dumb, blah blah blah, and relax.
I am not relaxed. I have not been relaxed since EoD1. I feel like town has been made out of donkeys. I am actually extremely annoyed. From the way I see it, I should be on one of the very last spots in the lynch list. Primarily from the fact that when I was active, I have been mainly pressuring and voting mafia.
O Rly? Tell me than, if you are so concern about the town being made of "Donkeys" then why the fuck have you spent time talking about MTG (good game) and other shit? Shouldn't you be trying to be a savior of the town?
And if you are annoyied, since EoD1 then why have you been shitting jokes like nagging falls?
I mean this ties into number one, you see a problem, but instead of fixing it or trying to convert people(?) you just have been sitting back and joking around till someone pokes you.
On March 31 2016 20:37 ritoky wrote: sandroba who are your top 2 non-kurumi mafia reads? you can explain if you want, more interested in the names though.
erm Not considering setup, teams or anything I think VA and tumble are both suspicious. I'm interested also in what superbia is eventually going to claim and the resolution of the damdred thing. prob just need to wait for kurumi to flip and see if he is indeed part of rsoul/tt team which I kinda doubt tbh. If he is their strat was bus each other since d1 when there are 2 teams and that seems very silly.
I'm claiming mystery role 'x'.
I am claiming mystery role 'y'.
Third Your not actually solving the game since Rsoul flipped. And if you are counting your KP discussion, then you should remember that your buddy talking to you about it was IIRC Kuru. The guy who claimed scum.
On April 04 2016 01:20 Superbia wrote: I'm gonna go off a bit of a rant here. Mostly because I want to chill with my gf tonight so I won't be around to play.
It's pretty simple: Anyone who wants to lynch me is a fucking idiot.
I have fucked confirmed mafia in the ass throughout the game. And possibly fucked a town (Koshi), who has been mafia-siding throughout the game.
So you have to believe I am 3rd party. Yet I openly discuss 3rd party KP previous day and was the one who brought it up. Actively promoting the fact that rso was shot by third party to deny kurumi his claim. Which is pretty much the dumbest play ever as 3rd party. Like what would be my plan there? Put me on the map to take down a mafia? Who just got fucked in the ass the previous day/night? nice_play.exe
I played a lazy town game. I'm continuing to playing an even lazier towngame. That's it.
I want to lynch: - Tumblewood (everyone seems to want to lynch this guy but no one actually seems to want to lynch this guy). - Obi (tunneled on me for no good reason) - VA (meh).
- One between: --- Ritoky (maybe 3rd party) --- Koshi (if Ritoky ends up being town/more town, for mafia siding so hard/being so wrong throughout the game)
- Maybe lightningstrike (but probably can't).
So, you know. Probably follow my reads if you want to win the game as town.
Ok so page 21, a list of reads. the 1st few paragraphs are defense from you. 2 out of the 3 are omnithought of as lynch targets, minus a person or so that might think different. the one that is not super popular is one based on OMGUS located in the post the next page over.
Not only that, but your reasoning to wanting to vote VA in tis post was "meh" to say the least.
Your last page of content not revoving around KP discussion or popular thread ideas are this from page 20:
Which leaves me with the following lynches: - VayneAuthority - ObiWanShinobi - LightningStrike - Tumblewood - Kurumi
Of these, I do not want to lynch Kurumi today.
Some notes: - Sicklucker's vote timing on rso makes it so he's pretty much never with rso. - I had no initial read on shapelog, but his interactions on the rso train d2 are pretty damn town (was adamant on rso, then switched to TT quite naturally). - Koshi's wagon on d2 actually looks almost completely town. Especially if Kurumi (and to an extend TW) ends up being town. This definitely needs some looking into when more flips are known. KEEP THIS IN MIND. I am likely wrong on either someone voting on Koshi or on Koshi. - VA has been voting superearly on scummy people (one confirmed in RSO), but I generally cannot remember the explanation. Could be some soft distance. Would like to know from people who usually play with VA. - I don't think TumbleWood is in the rso/TT team. But I do think he could be independently mafia (3rd party/whatever). - Obi was teaming up with Koshi and Vivax during n2 to pressure me. While Koshi's read has progressed naturally, Obi's pressure is nowhere to be seen. - LS is mainly POE. I don't actually have a good read on him this game. - Sleeper mafia/third party would likely be either Rels or Ritoky. But this is tinfoil for later.
Whats actually funny here is that you seemed to forgot the reason why obi looked sus to you in favor for a OMGUS read. Like you could of gone, "ok i find this sus, let me check his filter. Check filter. Here are X, Y, And Z posts that support A"
On April 04 2016 01:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Super, who exactly is mafia and why? Come up with cases and stuff because this ranting isn't going to do anything for me.
Oh I don't care. You're probably one of them. Your presence has involved siding with a PR on a town (me). Then afking through yesterday (don't even recall what you were doing). Then continuing the push today. Tumblewood is nowhere to be found which indicates he's not interested in the game anymore. Which is pretty shit play if you're one of the last left. Either way he's playing a losing game. But you know, he has to be flipped at some point.
like who goes "I think you are scum, but I ain't going to case you." Like you can't even stay on that topic of OWS being scum in that post, you redirect it into tumble.
You even frenking contricit yourself by saying tumble's activity would make for a shit mafia play. And that hes got to be flipped. Its not like Rik's or anyone elses who actually have a nice text body on the guy.
On April 02 2016 07:10 Superbia wrote: 2 kp through medic save means roleblock or double stack. Which indicates 2nd mafia team. But that can't be possible.
Even if you take into account the N1 actions (which really do not matter in the end here) Damdred supposedly stopped a shot on JAT? Sl supposedly stopped a mafia KP? Sand Shot. Kuru carried Kp that got stoped.
Even if you did not believe the claim from SL, that is still 2 KP. If you beleive all claims, then it is actually 3. N2, Jat and Vivax died, rsoul died. 2 kp, with something happening with Rsoul dieing either by invention or kp or whatever, Last night. 3 Kp or 2 kp and RB.
IT LINES UP unless Jat was not shot by mafia and saved by damdred.
So that is a moot defense.
But really, you go "Hmmm, here are possible things that could happen that could happen" -> "would mean we have 2 teams" -> "impossible for 2 teams" in one post. Only POV that works in is as a second mafia team.
Which means. [spoiler=off topic but important] which means, if you are actually 2nd team, then where in the hell did that shot/rb come from. Obv it was not from your team (yes i am making that assumption.) so somewhere a person rbed or shot at Rels. hmm. [/spoiler] I think your scum because of this.
Damdred - he did shannanie on to TT day 2 - There's one thing still irking me about him though.
VA - has some shinings of light at times - and then fades away in the dirt at times.
Shapelog - Has been casing mafia - made big huge case on Kurumi - his votes have been towny mostly - If any one I'd give the game too being mafia, it'd be him - but I just don't think so and have to go with that for now.
LS - votes have been bad - a lot of defending himself - is for sure Ritoky is mafia ? (or just a martyr) - Damdred thinks he's town, who else does though?
Ritoky - Going after rsoul so hard - just doesn't seem to come from a mafia perspective -although he likes to bus (but realistically, not just go after a mafia on his team into the ground) - not a whole lot of townie points beyond this though.
SL - well one third party is dead, so unless there is two - he's not 3rd party - but his play has been so....
Koshi - annoying but he's my second highest townread still - wouldn't lynch today.
Decisions decisions.
SL/LS/Ritoky/VA can't be all anti-town - There's probably two left.
Oh and OWS - so in day 2 he mentions of going after TicTock when basically no one else was thinking of him yet - why would mafia do that? That's his big point going for him.
And my tinfoil moment -
Shape and Kurumi are a team - Kurumi mentioned in the QT he wanted to give up, so Shape wrote the massive case on him, to ride till the cows come home.
On April 06 2016 02:49 Koshi wrote: Here is what happened in the last 2-3 pages:
1) OWS unvotes Damdred 2) Suspicion starts to grow on ritoky. Koshi/VA/and somebody else comment on it, OWS says he needs to recheck everything at home. Doesn't comment on ritoky. 3) VA starts to townread ritoky. 4) OWS shares VA opinion. Doesn't add his own input on ritoky. 5) VA starts to put suspicion on scott. 6) OWS agrees and throws some more dirt on scott.
This is standard mafia play + standard mafia pushing an agenda.
On April 06 2016 16:40 Koshi wrote: From that vote count it is very unlikely LS and OWS are mafia together. They always voted together and on the same wagon.
And LS and Ritoky never voted on the same wagon except for Kurumi.
On March 31 2016 23:30 Rels wrote: Why ritoky is scum and will be lynched tomorrow
1. His mindset on claims doesn't match with his play
OK this is Koshi's point. It's the biggest him against ritoky. ritoky has stated that he dislikes claim centric gameplay, but a large majority of his posts are centered on claims. That actually starts with his very first one, since he opened the game with a plan to make all VT claim and form a confirmed VT circle. A few sample:
On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote: reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.
On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote: ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ?
i spelled it out multiple times, but sure.
i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly.
so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way.
i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.
On March 27 2016 11:20 sandroba wrote: Rsoul, why is shooting you would be "a really bad idea"? So far you claimed a role that you apparently don't know what it does, it can simply do nothing. Or another reason for not shoot you is because you are an extremelly valuable town asset, which I'm not seeing either.
This. Very much this. Your role is effectively useless without its counterpart which is someone you don't know and who could be of the opposite alignment? You don't know what your role is capable of; but it is a "really bad idea" to shoot you or lynch you? Also when your role is this convoluted to the point where even if you claimed it in the thread no one would really know what the hell it does and if you're a priority night kill; why don't you claim it when you're tied in votes and have to leave the thread?
That said I have slightly softened based on the content of the claim because it almost seems so wonky it might be true...but her play and the method of claim and everything about this stinks.....ugh I wanna conf bias so hard on this.
On March 28 2016 17:14 ritoky wrote: i will be the first one to tell you rsoul that my execution of that plan was bad. the plan is good, execution bad. said it a bunch of times and have since moved on cuz if i bring it up people take that opportunity to call me an idiot and being called bad/trash/dumb gets old so i will just keep my disagreements on the matter to myself going forward.
i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth.
outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member.
On March 28 2016 17:48 ritoky wrote: i am trying to evaluate if it is even worth lynching rsoul today.....supposedly she has an item that has a 50% chance of turning into an action or blowing up and being useless immediately upon night phase correct?
so the options are: 1 - town -> item -> potential useful information 2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow 3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town 4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow
ugh that's a shitty EV imo
On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote: i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there.
if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest"
if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched
it is very confusing to me right now.
On March 31 2016 06:51 ritoky wrote: is mass claim a terrible idea right here?
On March 31 2016 12:35 Damdred wrote: No it would hurt more than help tbh
you're claiming a role in direct conflict with the OP and stated rules. if you live you need to explain. if i am alive and you do not, my vote will be on you and i will encourage every other vote to be on you too. we are lynching mafia and likely reducing kp (whether it is kp/faction or 2kptill2) so i am willing to postpone this discussion until tomorrow, but it will be happening next day phase.
On March 31 2016 19:26 ritoky wrote: someone is smoking the good stuff
If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now. Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ?
.......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this.
thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow.
ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything.
You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ?
dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play
2. His plan is scum motivated, but more than that the way he played the plan is scum motivated
First, his plan is scum motivated because it has benefits and weakness: its benefit is the creation of a confirmed town circle, the weakness is that it helps scum to bluehunt. Now scum is very likely to have access to fakeclaim, so there is actually no benefit since we cannot believe the results of the plan. Even if we were sure it was not the case, a smart scum could have realized very quickly what ritoky was doing and enter the plan, making it work for only the first few person to claim to become confirmed. Finally, even if smart scum didn't realize the plan before too late, they STILL could arguee the previous point to cast doubt on the confirmed status of the VT. To summarize, the plan itself has benefits for scum mainly. This doesn't mean much for ritoky's alignment 'cause townies can push bad plan. But there is something that is super scum indicative.
ritoky played this plan not to discover VTs but to confirm himself town. He blew his plan very quickly, making comment on what he was doing along the way, making it obvious what he was going for. After that, the plan couldn't work; there is no town!motivation to do that. Absolutely none. The scum!motivation is to clearly show that he was really trying to solve the game via a smart plan, so he was town.
In particular, this post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective:
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote: Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.
damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.
He posted this 1h30 after the picture. Bluehunting only helps scum. If ritoky was town and saw that his plan was not working, he would shut up about his resulsts and move on to something else, either abandonning his plan or hoping it would work later when more people saw the picture. Posting "Damdred is not VT" doesn't do anything to push town forward; it does the opposite.
3. His attitude, especially compared to previous games in which he was town
ritoky has only a few elaborate reads. He's not doing much to push the game forward. His only elaborate reads that doens't rely on claims are on LS, rsoul and me. It looks like he tryharded his push against rsoul and lost this motivation after that. Incidentally, townies should have the opposite reaction to 2-soon-to-be-3 scum death in a row.
This is a scummy attitude by itself, but it's even worst when you take meta into account. ritoky has coached me, so I can say without the shadow of a doubt that he is a very smart player that knows how to evaluate people smartly. For example, he has a very good read on me. I remember the nutcracker game in which he was killed N1; I was town but was super inactive D1. Some people wanted to lynch me. But ritoky was in control of the game, stating that my lynch (and a few others) were off-limit 'cause he wanted to have more infos on me. That is how ritoky plays as town. Proactively.
Same thing for Damdred. ritoky has a soulread on Damdred. It might not be as strong now as it used to be, due to Damdred improving his already-very-good scum play lately; but I'm sure ritoky never tried to not read Damdred in a game where he was town. This game ? I made a post on that subject there: + Show Spoiler +
On March 31 2016 21:41 Rels wrote: ritoky's read progression on Damdred. Never did he give a single, real, non-claim-related read on him when Damdred is supposed to be one of ritoky's best read. And even if that was not the case, it doesn't match up with "I don't like claim centric stuff" he says he has.
On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote: i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there.
if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest"
if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched
On March 30 2016 13:05 ritoky wrote: ritoky - town damdred - town cuz claim; only revisit if 3 nights later is still alive sl - town cuz claim + diff play from when mafia + telling rsoul in thread "your best bet it to push rels" would have just posted that in qt kurumi - town under the assumption shot rsoul sandroba - town cuz claiming shot there only makes sense from onegu style mafia, sandro doesn't strike me as 1gu style tumblewood - town cuz votes unless koshi is red
On March 31 2016 19:26 ritoky wrote: someone is smoking the good stuff
If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now. Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ?
.......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this.
thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow.
ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything.
You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ?
dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play
To repeat, ritoky got killed in nutcracker N1 because he was so active, proactive and most of all smartly questionning people and driving the thread. Same thing happened in millionaire: he was elected mayor because of his play D0. This is NOT how ritoky is playing this game. THis is way more similar to his passive play in Outlaws, when he just watched me get lynched D1. He would have lynched me D2 if he could in this current game.
To explain this change of heart, ritoky has had a few scummy excuses. Not gonna quote "normal" excuses which everyone make like "can't play tomorrow I'm traveling"; these are scum indicative because they try to explain why ritoky is playing bad for no reason.
On March 24 2016 12:56 LightningStrike wrote: Am I your buddy Tina?
you're my town friend ^^ -curls up with- but prob not my buddy
I should be your buddy though O_o
well then maybe you should get on that lol ><
anywhooo...have class tomorrow and don't need to spam this thread up more than i already have
word to the wise, rit...get useful ^^ my itch to lynch you isn't going away
nah, i plan to stay at my current capacity. i carried and dumped too much effort into my last couple games and haven't spammed pictures or been a useless pile of shit in a while. gotta level that play and stick to my style of high variance. of course i say that today while i am emotionally stable, and i am prone to getting mad or sad and being a spamlord.
On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote: reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.
On March 31 2016 19:26 ritoky wrote: someone is smoking the good stuff
If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now. Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ?
.......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this.
thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow.
ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything.
You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ?
dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play
Conclusion ritoky is scum. Lynch him as soon as there is no more claimed scum to lynch.
On April 06 2016 16:40 Koshi wrote: From that vote count it is very unlikely LS and OWS are mafia together. They always voted together and on the same wagon.
And LS and Ritoky never voted on the same wagon except for Kurumi.
Yes. Same with OWS and ritoky. I saw.
Why do you think LS is mafia? Try to give me convincing reasons. Or just give me everything you got.
I'm honestly a bit lost still - the hard core Tina defending , Damdred love , and now the "It's either Ritoky or me" part.
the early TT vote on D2 throws a lot of that out the window though.
Rels had questions marks and he died for a reason - I reposted his case on RItoky - was that why he died?
On March 26 2016 23:36 Damdred wrote: I've had ls as hard town since like the 8th post or something in my filter. Its pretty much spelled out every time I even mention him. Just because I want to see why he thinks what he does doesn't mean I'm scum readings him.
Yep I chose to consolidate on tube over rs even though he had one post I liked. He was on my list of lynches for today that's in my filter, if Tina is town she can be of use and I had no real reason to town read. I think a better prod at me was why I voted with people I was suspicious of and following the lynch I clearly brought suspicion against.
The lynch was largely afk, Tina was on the verge of dying for the entirety of the day with top town (by many) jat even going as far to say he might switch, if Tina is scum the scum team has little impact in the thread to drive a lynch off her. If I didn't show up the hammer probably would of went other way. So atm leaning on its t v t and mafia didn't care which one was lynched.
On April 07 2016 06:20 Koshi wrote: ritoky do you agree it is not likely LS and OWS are mafia together?
I'd really like to answer to this as well.
OWS - I don't have a whole lot to add - I did my dead and alive filter diving, checked how D2 went - and was okay with my vote. From how the votes are I'm pretty sure we're on to something.
On April 07 2016 06:52 sicklucker wrote: anyone know the vote count? I mean I havent voted yet and if its between ritoky and obi im killing obi. but I really really think we should have killed the obv mafia 3 days ago...
Rolf I only been mislynched once past Day 2 as Town and that was in Metal Mini in LYLO. GL lynching me.
I've read LS's last game and I'm pretty confident he's the right lynch tomorrow. He was scum in this game.
I'll bring up some comparisons -
The fake angry rage -
Millionaire -
On February 25 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I need to cool down but FF IS STIL A FUCKING IDIOT FOR MISREADING FOR BULLSHIT THAT I HAD DONE AS TOWN. See ya guys in 5 hours.
On March 30 2016 07:58 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly lost all my motivation to play seeing that flip and your stupid as fuck OMGUS on me.
that's not what omgus is, nor it's stupid as fuck. Fact is that if somehow you are town you've been mafia siding all game hard defending rsoul and soft defending TT.
So I would say it's not that stupid to think you are mafia. I'm baffled as to why you even stuck with your rsoul read and was concerned for being killed for it for so
long. If you were so damn sure she was town, her flipping mafia and how that would make you look like should have been the last thought in head, yet is something
mentioned 5 or more times in your filter.
i DIDN'T REALLY DEFEND TT MUCH YOU STUPID ASS MONKEY IDC EVEN CARE IF THIS GETS ME MODKILLED.
Buddying up of mafia teammates -
Millionaire -
On February 27 2016 10:57 LightningStrike wrote: But seriously though Damdred does read me pretty well. The only time he called me scum when I was town when he was town was Dark Tournament but that was it.
Scumdred and LS were scum together and hard defended each other.
On March 28 2016 08:11 Shapelog wrote: alright thanks for the quote. idk understand needless to say how you breaking meta from last game makes you auto lynch this game. I feel like with a broken meta players would look into the content
in your posts, and since it is a tad bit lacking, they would assume that that + a portentinal scum burnout from playing scum last game, would = you as scum.
I think this is what you meant to get across to me. If so i can understand it since it i just wrote why it would make sense.
About blues
Well it not so much the claiming (since only 3? was claimed today) as it is the infomation that is out there. Why would Kuru reveal the fact that he shot Koshi? obv
you are going to say, "because Koshi didn't Die shape." Well in that action alone, if it is all true, mafia just got information about Kuru and know that their is a
doc/jk. Sands claim gives them the infomation that they have to worry about a vig shot now if they ML (if he can shoot mutiple times, which sounds like so based on his
role descp he gave) + the claims from Rsoul and SL (while they did not give a lot of information, they still told mafia they are blue. If SL is vet, then it was the
right play thou.) And they know that there is a another active protection role if they did not shoot stutter. And they know that Slam
Now, isn't that a lot of info magically out there? Yes, worse case we gave them 3 claimed blue roles and leaked 2 roles ifno.
IT also seems easy for mafia to fake claim during this shit strom to not only get confirmed but also so spread lies. Hell if there is a 3rd party, they could also
participate.
TLDR all the info feels like mafia is planting seeds everyone to keep town guessing. Not sure, but that is what it feels like.
I think what I was trying to say was that with me having a broken meta and me defending Tina, I would get auto'd lynched if she flips scum. About blues it's true 3rd
party could claim blue and scum could make it a big mess by claiming blue hence why idk which claim would be fake.
etc.
Used the same bullshit tinfoil meme to throw town off track-
On February 27 2016 08:37 Vivax wrote: Im still kinda feeling a scum LS here, for the following reasons:
You really stuck your neck out with your bresh read.
How LS changed his opinion on bresh which I mentioned earlier doesnt sit right with me.
Rels doesn't even seem interested into the possibility of lynching LS as displayed during my research this day which is not ideal for scum.
I think this is right now because I had already told you need to get rid of your tinfoil hat because you are wrong on me:
Here-
On March 30 2016 12:44 LightningStrike wrote: You need some more tinfoil ritoky? I got you some right here:
Both Ritoky and Vivax were town.
The one liner constistency and giving town as little information as needed - There's a lot of these here, so I'll just reference the filter above on this. The mafia QT from this game has some yummy tidbits too.
"So I will try to play my town meta and have at least Damdred get a meta town read on me as he normally got a good way to read me." - Wow this sounds awfully familiar.
On April 09 2016 23:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Like, normally I'd get some sort of vibe from you that you're trying to steer town in the right direction and have some sort of alternative plan or something that I can at least understand.
I don't really see any of that from you and it's really bugging me. I know you want to lynch scott but I don't see much behind it that I can really identify with.
Why should I lynch scott over you?
This comes out of nowhere when I haven't been mentioned. slip?
On April 10 2016 03:10 VayneAuthority wrote: process of elimination, there is no one left that can be scum in my mind unless it is shapelog, and id rather give him the win then you by effort.
On April 10 2016 07:26 LightningStrike wrote: God fucking damn it...... maybe it was ObiWanShinobi all along and I saved him because I went for my scumread.....
Whatever, I'm fucking done. Please shoot me tonight. I'm in a bad mood that this business won't let my girl race, and then I come back and you lynch obvious town again.
If there's two mafia left, it's LYLO tomorrow - 5 left... By how the last couple lynches have gone, I believe there is - on how certain people defend others. If there was only one, I doubt this would be happening so much - but I could be wrong.
Damdred or I should get shot.
There's def. a rolecop, Kurumi confirmed that in his Brood post.
VA wanted Obi dead, and I am unsure how the lynch of him happened - We're having a legit lynch today - and not some shennany and we lose. I think this is the best way to go at this time.
LS could be town - but is doing a lot of stupid mafia motivated things, like lynching VA would be one.
"Trust me, trust me"......
Damdred should be dead by now if he's telling the truth, mafia ain't gonna risk letting shots get eaten and having the game continue longer than needed.
Shapelog still shows towny behaviors, but I'm still pondering that Kurumi gave up, told him to write the phat case, and go with it. With how the others are playing, I would be more okay losing to him than to the others.
Re-think everything in the game - re-read the whole damn thing if you have to - see the motiviations - we can still do this!!!
Obi - Hasn't been helpful beyond a bit of a push on the TT lynch - Goes with thread sentiment instead of actual thinking
Shape - Has had some towny thoughts - but his case on Kurumi has been his moment - Should be RIP over LS - Earlier d1/d2 dead townies had suspicions of him
Damdred: - Should be RIP two days+ ago - His saves really do not add up, Mafia could have done 2kp on JAT and then say he saved JAT - Complicated role he didn't even give the name of, only did in parts - after n4 didn't bother announcing his save at the end of night, like it doesn't matter - stopped saving shapelog
Koshi: - Voting has been really bad except for Kurumi - Pushed mislynches or yells about mislynches like TW, but not about VA
I didnt mean 2kp on JAT, that doesn't make sense - I have to look over night 1 of what my thought was - but to stack 2kp on something and then fakeclaim the save - the other points are there.
On April 14 2016 07:31 Shapelog wrote: Scott, what do you think about everything?
I was thinking about it last night - I'm still in Vegas, I should be driving home tonight.
so I've been in two LYLO'S as town - Firefly and Guardians. Guardians was my first one, Damdred was in that game as well. I've never been in a LYLO as mafia. I have a strong feeling I'm going to the victim for the third time.
In the wise words of Palmar, this turns into - the puppet, the puppetmaster, and the victim. I got a Quickdraw PM in my replacement message
I've learned a lot from those two games as town. The first thing would be that even if you are town and know who the mafia is since they go after you - acting 100% that you know the puppetmaster is mafia looks mafia sided to the puppet, because they'll be like "Why are you so sure? it could be me too if you're town, right?" but from your own point of view, it's obvious. I don't want to make that mistake again.
The second thing would be is to just re-look over everything, including both filters from the others and re-read parts of the game and figure out intentions from days before - since this day is going to be a lot different.
On April 09 2016 23:36 Damdred wrote: Right now Ows look at this, why should I 100% know what to do? This game is incredibly hard
Ows- weak town feels, technically is the hammer on Tt putting him one over Tt. On the verge of death didn't care about being,lynched. I don't think,he's scum.
LS- been low impact, but does work when as scythe wouldn't. Dug through my filter to show how I was pushing Tt when people were starting to gain momentum.
Scott- claimed blue, slam bread crumbed the shot very well. It is a poor shot, small activity but cent be the mafia in a solo situation.
VA- super lackluster first 4 days didn't care. Suddenly cares after the tumble lynch hasn't done a lot since the Ritojy lynch. Kinda meh on him.
Koshi- mafia were on him and tumble. Sudden swing on Tt makes it somewhat unlikely with how suddenly it was and how many town was on Tt that koshi was the scum. Plus his activity and craziness and bm make him town.
Shaoe- early game was bad and missed a lot of what he was. Was super right after then and seems to be hyper focused on lynch bait ls. Its possible he was tmi, which is why I'm considering him.
Damdred- claimed blue, can't be a single scum. Can't be scum with Scott, mod message infers he's town. Etc etc
I'm a dayvig. Beyond Alakaslam's shot being townie, I'd have to be a rolecop and a dayvig in order to be mafia, which is basically impossible. The only other possibility is that the engineer had a role check night 1 and checked sicklucker.
I could re-write others words but best explained as-
On April 07 2016 06:38 Koshi wrote: scott is never mafia btw. I forgot about the fact it was a silent shot on D1.
Imagine mafia shooting someone the first second of the game for lulz.
Scot is setup wise confirmed town.
HOLY SHIT WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT THINKING OF SHIT LIKE THIS
And in your words -
Scott: - Pretty much it for scott. Maybe, by some kind of crazy setup, Mafia had a factional day shot, and Slam, as a RC, did it to buy massive cred early on. Literally the only way that guy can be mafia.
On April 15 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Actually I'm cheating and reading Scott now I'll finish shape up soon.
Could you expand on why you loved shapes case on super but decided to go tumble at the last second?
Honestly, I don't remember - I think I was sheeping a town read, but I've have to go back and re-read, much has happened since then.
On April 15 2016 08:07 Damdred wrote: Scott's filter is interesting.
Your vote count yesterday I think had me green, but you were voting for me I think? Unless I misread why?
I was doing some testing of what made since, (ie color everybody but I got a couple wrong, like the top ones I had Obi as red but not at the bottom) I was doing the coloring in to see what fits. For that, I wanted to see if Obi looked scummier in his votes than you.
On April 15 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote: Unless, by some horrible, twisted way here, Damdred asked for Information about a role, and the Cohost fucked up and Palmar had to step in.
Damdred bought it - I knew he'd get me to be the victim after a while I am every time. I just wish I could've put it in a spoiler I could point out later.... Shape was scaring me when he wasn't doing any posting until later today. I had it all thought up in Vegas sitting on my bed.
On April 16 2016 05:55 Damdred wrote: It doesn't make any sense to me coming from a town perspective hard scum reading me never even asking me any questions and then voting shape who he had as his town bro all freaking game.
Doesn't even question me just peaches out on shape. Awesome
I had to pull out enough to get you to scumread Shape instead of me with that magic post. It worked. Now you are just trying to find the weakest reason to switch your vote. I didn't vote first, you did.
I wish I could've shown my thoughts after the cops in Vegas - I couldn't sleep and had to think of a way to show Damdred's true colors.
I wanted him to go after you first. I even thought with my post, he'd still go after me since I've lost LYLO's before and I think he respects you more - so I was surprised he voted for you.
I only have eight minutes left,
I mean think about it -
Imagine mafia shooting someone the first second of the game for lulz.
Scot is setup wise confirmed town.
HOLY SHIT WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT THINKING OF SHIT LIKE THIS
Alakaslam as mafia could make a one second silent mafia shit at the beginning of the day? lol
Sorry OBS, it wasn't the best executed plan - but while I couldn't sleep, I had to show Damdred's colors in LYLO or I thought I wouldn't get Shape to buy it.
If Shape's it (but Im really doubtful) oh well I had fun.