EPTIf we think kurm is town we have to think three shots were protected.
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Damdred
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If we think kurm is town we have to think three shots were protected. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 27 2016 08:34 ritoky wrote: Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad: + Show Spoiler + 1) Her read on LS - On March 22 2016 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: /in Student game taking to long to fill. Pregame excuse: I changing play styles due to my last scum breaking my meta. This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit. 2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game: On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote: not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle what does a truffle sound like? truffle sounds like a truffle in this game #circularreasoningftw also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha! 2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh On February 17 2016 11:28 rsoultin wrote: lol >< no one is commenting on my shape toneread it's making me itch On February 17 2016 11:39 rsoultin wrote: yeah that wasn't well-organized, even for me lol >< shape is my preferred lynch who i'm trying to get people to talk about and scott i want to hear more from but he's the other there ^^ that's better also i think i like tumble, at least enough to remove him from the d1 lynch pool On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote: can we lynch shape? -bats lashes at- alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol On February 17 2016 12:08 rsoultin wrote: idk, like i could lynch into shape scott gb shining but tbh the only ones i actually suspect are shape and scott...the other two are just eh to me. fine defaults if we can't find/agree on anything better. they're null-to-scummy as opposed to just null On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ i resent that, scott shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@ bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia. 3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it. 4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me. 5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post: LS, vivax - town for meta SL - maybe town for meta slam - policy -> okay with lynch shape - mafia cuz omgus rit - mafia over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia. 6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia. 7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted. + Show Spoiler + Special tinfoil: no kills last night, if she is a kp carrier, i would imagine she is a high priority RB target considering the vote There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia. I agree with 2,4,5, and 6. Others feel meh to me. 4/7, would sheep. Is it still a sheep when I kinda have the same read? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2016 11:52 Damdred wrote: I've seen powers sort of like sls before so you will have yo be more exact, if I am to see what you are saying. If we think kurm is town we have to think three shots were protected. meh >< fuck it you both seem very sure that jat was shot. if you had a reason to be sure, sl knowing this already when he's claiming vet should be pretty suspicious, yet you don't seem to be reacting that way | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 27 2016 09:18 LightningStrike wrote: Rels potentially, VA, Vivax +1. Rels usually have a stronger presence as town but activity is nay. VA not really having his usual sharpness(this is a meta read that I borrowing from kushm4sta) and all he did was pretty much complained and didn't do anything outside of that. Vivax fallen off real hard since his big spur of actvity and he is known for lurking as scum. I rather hate these reads. Rels is a straight parrot of what Damdred said earlier, and that Vivax read is super weak, kinda opportunistic too ("this dude isn't here right now! Lurking! Lets lynch"), VA is just low hanging fruit regardless of alignment | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2016 11:54 Tictock wrote: I agree with 2,4,5, and 6. Others feel meh to me. 4/7, would sheep. Is it still a sheep when I kinda have the same read? answer me -_- | ||
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rsoultin
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote: I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time! my hero | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On March 28 2016 11:57 rsoultin wrote: meh >< fuck it you both seem very sure that jat was shot. if you had a reason to be sure, sl knowing this already when he's claiming vet should be pretty suspicious, yet you don't seem to be reacting that way jat is a pretty logical shot though don't you think? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2016 12:01 Damdred wrote: jat is a pretty logical shot though don't you think? "logical" is a bit different than the certainty sl showed, though he at least has it going for him that he also assumed he was shot so apparently blanket statements of certainty about uncertain things can be expected. meh i don't see any use to discussing this further beyond it's the one thing bugging me about you presently | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
And I'm town don't worry just makes life easier that way | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 28 2016 11:42 Tictock wrote: Nope, lurker shots are the correct way to go, Rsoul has been posting so pressuring her via lynch should get her to prove she is town or slip up as mafia. Also not sure why you disapprove of his not shooting Rsoul since you town read her? It was just shocking to me at the time because he had Tina as one of his top scumreads so when he shot stutters I was completely shocked. I would rather had gone with the tina shot for info if I was a vig in that situation. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 28 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote: I rather hate these reads. Rels is a straight parrot of what Damdred said earlier, and that Vivax read is super weak, kinda opportunistic too ("this dude isn't here right now! Lurking! Lets lynch"), VA is just low hanging fruit regardless of alignment Not exactly a parrot but Rels doesn't exactly parrot as much as town if I remember correctly. Vivax is a meta read that I remeber him being lurkier as scum than town. VA would of posted something useful when he was active if he was town(hint he didn't). | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2016 12:12 Damdred wrote: You know RS what bugs me? Rels only post today that is really strange coming from him tbh And I'm town don't worry just makes life easier that way ye i know :/ rels is starting to make me think he's scum in spite of (and maybe even because of, tbh) his agreeing with me when no one else was. which is sad really -_- pues, i'm starting to read in circles. this'll have to be left for tomorrow...wanted to pick at tt but both he and tumble seem to have vanished like basically where i'm at is weirdness around the lynch i.e. not caring (thus the afk voters, but of those slam and obv stutters i'm ruling out) if you're certain on jat i'm gonna accept that (within reason) cause the way he was acting around the lynch was actually pretty off. same with sl >< though to be fair it wasn't off in a way that couldn't be town sl. like jat seemed to be sniping at everyone for preferring one lynch over another but didn't actually seem that invested in his own vote, and well sl being sl...i think both have to be left for now, though ows seemed invested if not terribly present so i'm okayish with him sand i think is prob town not just for the claim but for how while still pushing me he's at least open to discussing and yeah, not just looking one place...though if i just went by his behavior around the lynch he'd still be topping my scum list lol >< meh, kuru i need to check a few things still, but i really don't like the sudden omgus from him with what i would consider to be over-the-top I MUST LOOK LIKE I'M REALLY MAD AND CARE!!!! shit and then the disappearance as soon as i try to get him to talk about his other reads -_- like i know there are people reading kuru town (incl. rit) for somehow thinking that i was hard defending rit (lol ><) but him missing something that blatant about two of his supposed scumreads doesn't strike me as a towntell, just careless rit i'm leaving for tomorrow when i can think better (also, it might be sheer arrogance talking, but i think the likelihood that scum would prefer my lynch over tube is high enough to look into not terribly invested but slight preference for rsoul...haven't really come across anything that screams that yet though) is there anything here you disagree with damdy? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2016 12:55 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly think TT could be town based on the fact that in Season of the Witch he called me scum when he was town and I was town that game and in Nutcracker he called me town when I was town while he was scum. I know it might be a bit faulty but it just a meta I remember about TT. @.@ this is not a reliable "meta" by any stretch, LS ah, ye, that was the other thing i wanted to look at tonight since he vanished without talking to me, the coward | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 27 2016 11:40 sandroba wrote: How likely you guys think it is that palmar introduces this kind of variance to the game for no particular reason? I mean some person has to invent something give to the other who can use it the next phase and it has only 50% chance of working and you only know what it does after you use it, you don't even know if whoever invented it is town or not. Idk about palmar, but I played in a game recently where you got gifts, you had to unwrap at night, then could use the w/e it was the next night. Gifts were given randomly to town and mafia. So not unheard of. It's kinda a weird role, but then what SL is claiming is a bit unusual as well. It's also sounding like this game is loaded with blues (2 vigs, a flipped investi-type role, Vet-ish, 2 Engi's, +probably one other Protective), so some weakish off roles makes sense. Also Koshi has a solid point that the same role might be given to both town and mafia. So no I don't find her role too unreasonable, and I'm not sure why scum would make up such a weird and complex role either. So either way she is probably telling the truth about what her role is but I'm not sure if it makes more sense for there to be 2 town engi's to play off each other or a counterplay engi on opposing factions. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 28 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote: Idk about palmar, but I played in a game recently where you got gifts, you had to unwrap at night, then could use the w/e it was the next night. Gifts were given randomly to town and mafia. So not unheard of. It's kinda a weird role, but then what SL is claiming is a bit unusual as well. It's also sounding like this game is loaded with blues (2 vigs, a flipped investi-type role, Vet-ish, 2 Engi's, +probably one other Protective), so some weakish off roles makes sense. Also Koshi has a solid point that the same role might be given to both town and mafia. So no I don't find her role too unreasonable, and I'm not sure why scum would make up such a weird and complex role either. So either way she is probably telling the truth about what her role is but I'm not sure if it makes more sense for there to be 2 town engi's to play off each other or a counterplay engi on opposing factions. To bad that you got caught because of you using that gift by Shape and later me  | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 28 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote: @.@ this is not a reliable "meta" by any stretch, LS ah, ye, that was the other thing i wanted to look at tonight since he vanished without talking to me, the coward True but still it was something I just had thought of. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
tiiiiiictooooock i poked through your scumreads at least and they weren't as bad as i thought they'd be, but i find it pretty dumb that you agree with me on my scumreads but still call me scum ^^ not considering that you're claiming the scum team is basically all bussing each other is okay if you're just making reads, but retarded if you're then applying it to vote analysis i'll look at the rest of your reads tomorrow but i'd still like to know what you think is actually going on here given your reads also, regarding this point people keep bringing about engineers from multiple factions... it's a bit stupid tbh to think that the host would have one alignment invent and the other "unwrap" even with a coinflip's chance of being able to use the item, which is why i assumed the other engineer had to be town or at least 3p and tried to search for him i know y'all desperately want me to be scum and all cause it's easy to say ^^ but you're gonna have to push another point and commit to just not believing my claim rather than inventing bastard host roles plzthx | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 27 2016 15:00 Alakaslam wrote: Call it absurd, it is really demoralizing enough when you come back to a shot like that knowing it was your responsibility. I literally cannot be useful this game; you see this as justification to give away a mislynch? And don't give me bullshit about how you don't know I am town. You have been displaying that in fact, you do, and are now grasping for ml to push. My vote goes on Sandroba. This OMGUS is a pile of garbage and while I sympathize with Slams RL situation I'm not sure why he is spending what little time he has playing the game just making these rage posts. | ||
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