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On March 28 2016 09:07 Shapelog wrote:*faceplam* This is inrocic because i literally just got done talking about giving mafia info blah blah blah and then i just got sand to reveal he is one shot. I am such a moron well good to know for the future. well i may be lying. or i may be saying that so mafia thinks i'm lying. etc
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and yeah vivax is scum. koshi prob is too, his reads are just random chaos.
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@damdred why are vivax and koshi on your town list? I'm especially interested because vivax got there after saying a lot of absurdities and dodging many questions.
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On March 28 2016 08:56 justanothertownie wrote:Explain Vivax and rsoultin. I don't want to do that. It's mostly feels anyway.
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I don't understand how I got saved though. That guy. True hero. Maybe mafia got a cpr doc? Would be funny.
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I understand I am not in a position to call the lynch. But it would be advised to actually lynch in my lower regions. So far I am 3/3 calling the dead people not mafia.
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On March 28 2016 09:31 sandroba wrote: @damdred why are vivax and koshi on your town list? I'm especially interested because vivax got there after saying a lot of absurdities and dodging many questions.
idk it sort of feels like the game is hard to figure out and vivax when he posts makes sense while some people just aren't trying
which is a horrible way to read anyone. I just don't think I want to lynch vivax today.
koshi I'm not sure I probably wouldn't lynch today over someone like tt or maybe in the rs/ritoky camp.
I'm kind of unsure about a lot of the reads I have past a certain point.
Me Jat, LS and sand are my strongest reads at the moment and past that maybe SL and I start crumbling and second guessing myself. Meh this is a sucky post and I hate it
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And also I attribute absurdities more to vivax being town from him than scum generally
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in all honesty, damdy, i would expect you to be more suspicious of sl than you appear to be. i'd like you to flesh out where you stand on him, within reason
it shouldn't bug me, but it does (or maybe it should bug me and i just want to leave things be cause that would make this game easier, whatever)
so i'm here and looking through things if anyone wants to discuss anything but yeah just started so questions like "what are your reads now, rsoul?" will get ignored ^^ questions like "what do you think about x?" i'll respond to, and i'll prob have several of my own depending on who is still around
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On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote: I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened.
1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active.
2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list.
3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her.
There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch.
I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm.
Ows what do you think who are scum?
I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters.
Though,
Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin
Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul...
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On March 27 2016 06:58 Kurumi wrote:Just in case + Show Spoiler + So, maybe some of you aren't convinced that I am Town, but I believe that Scum have no qualms like that and I am probably going to bite the dust here. While I was wrong on both shoe and Tube, I feel that I was well-grounded on my reads, which people actually have agreed with - seeing that Tube was lynched and shoe was read two-ways based on the same point I brought up. I might've said one thing too much on top of all that, which might seal the deal even more. Anyway, this is why I am writing this post - I believe I have played a strong game and that I am now going to go down because of it. So I gotta leave you with some reads to work with.
My proposed Mafia team is:
Koshi ritoky rsoultin Ticktock/Stutters695/Tumblewood/VayneAuthority aka lurker-class scum.
Now the reasons: For Koshi they are simple and people have picked up on that. First, the list. It's utterly insignificant, unhelpful, but great to look like he is doing something. He also said something about a plan and he - as we can see in the thread, abandoned it without any word on what the plan was and how it was supposed to help Town (What we can gather, his plan was to post the list only and only that, which, as you can guess, I am not going to Town-read at all!). Koshi's played a very wishy-washy game. He voted lots (ritoky, Alakaslam, tumblewood, sandroba, Tubesock), voted lots of flimsy evidence and has defended rsoultin, while townreading people seeing her as scum. He himself admits that. It looks like a good setup to be able to back-pedal on his vote on Tube when things get heated: I was just wrong guys, like look: I was townreading the guys against her! It is especially damning that having such townreads did not make him reconsider his stance on rsoultin. One of the most damning things for me though, besides the wishy-washiness is how he has played the game during the night: this is the moment Koshi is the most active, fearless about the results of the Night kills. He is above that. No worries - Koshi is going to be here on D2! How does he know that? Well, he knows where the KP is going. He knows that KP is not heading his way, unless his team partners decide to be silly pranksters! Look how contrarian to everything he is and how little effort he puts into it: he has those reads only to sow distrust among us.
ritoky: His play was questioned before. I once decided that his play was just dumb, but dumb in a Townie way. But after the D1 has ended, we saw no follow-up. No redemption. He made us look at him and then disappeared, while believing he is near confirmed town! I understand that RL reasons are there, but come on, if you plan something, you have the time. So it's a contradiction. Remember that ritoky was defended by rsoultin by the very start and many people around the time of his fuckup have come into the thread and started to throw acussations my way. RSO defends him, Koshi makes no case against him besides saying he is Mafia. The votes weren't on him, only lots of suspicion around. All he has done was to introduce chaos into the thread, his teammate rsoultin dipped too much anyway. Handling by her has been acknowledged and she was up as one of the lynch candidates.
rsoultin: Her showing, especially handling the ritoky situation (hardcore defense) her absence for lots of late D1, the vote on me feels like she tried to avoid any responsibility with the lynch. She was fine with what was happening and she was the only one to vote together with Tubesock on me - but made no effort to defend him and herself from killing them.
The lurkers... well... it's easier to get disinterested in a game if you are scum, because you know that it needs more effort to work out.
Spoiled the WoT.
First, I'm pretty sure Koshi is town.
Second, do you really think Rsoul and Rit are scum together? They are never scum together with the way they have been going at each other.
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Rsoul, which of the other blue claims do you believe?
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On March 27 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 07:28 Damdred wrote: Well life is easier don't you think ls? Not a lot easier but don't you think it's werid he shot a lurker over a scumread of his?
Nope, lurker shots are the correct way to go, Rsoul has been posting so pressuring her via lynch should get her to prove she is town or slip up as mafia.
Also not sure why you disapprove of his not shooting Rsoul since you town read her?
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On March 28 2016 11:34 Tumblewood wrote: Rsoul, which of the other blue claims do you believe?
eh this question is premature, honestly. my kneejerk reaction is to believe the instant claim and not the late claim when kuru was clearly here right before flip, but i know part of that is colored by the fact that i already thought kuru was scum >>
damdy and sl don't add up which is why i want damdy to comment
i'd rather focus on looking at the lynches and the rest of their filters though cause this might change
you're skeezing me out a bit with your rit!our lord and savior! flocking. you're not my priority at the moment though
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On March 28 2016 11:22 rsoultin wrote: in all honesty, damdy, i would expect you to be more suspicious of sl than you appear to be. i'd like you to flesh out where you stand on him, within reason
it shouldn't bug me, but it does (or maybe it should bug me and i just want to leave things be cause that would make this game easier, whatever)
so i'm here and looking through things if anyone wants to discuss anything but yeah just started so questions like "what are your reads now, rsoul?" will get ignored ^^ questions like "what do you think about x?" i'll respond to, and i'll prob have several of my own depending on who is still around
I honestly don't know I don't like his claim at all. Though it makes sense to me he ate a shot last night though with how the kps went I guess?
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On March 28 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote: I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened.
1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active.
2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list.
3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her.
There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch.
I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm.
Ows what do you think who are scum? I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters. Though, Show nested quote +Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul...
your reads are kinda awful ^^ i mostly skimmed your post earlier, but you have rit and myself as scum together which is pretty tinfoily at best, i can forgive the ls read even if it's awful cause meh ls he's gonna get scumread whatever
and kuru and i as scum together...so basically you've decided that your scum team is completely bussing one another from d1 for no good reason? explain this
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Unless if I still think our is scum which I sorta don't but not sure
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On March 28 2016 11:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 11:22 rsoultin wrote: in all honesty, damdy, i would expect you to be more suspicious of sl than you appear to be. i'd like you to flesh out where you stand on him, within reason
it shouldn't bug me, but it does (or maybe it should bug me and i just want to leave things be cause that would make this game easier, whatever)
so i'm here and looking through things if anyone wants to discuss anything but yeah just started so questions like "what are your reads now, rsoul?" will get ignored ^^ questions like "what do you think about x?" i'll respond to, and i'll prob have several of my own depending on who is still around I honestly don't know I don't like his claim at all. Though it makes sense to me he ate a shot last night though with how the kps went I guess?
nh, idk like any way you look at it there's something fishy here...we're assuming two town kp and two scum kp right? but three of those were blocked/shot into protection?
i really don't want to be more exact here and was hoping you understood what i was driving at :/ sl's claim itself should give you pause i would think
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On March 28 2016 11:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 11:43 Damdred wrote:On March 28 2016 11:22 rsoultin wrote: in all honesty, damdy, i would expect you to be more suspicious of sl than you appear to be. i'd like you to flesh out where you stand on him, within reason
it shouldn't bug me, but it does (or maybe it should bug me and i just want to leave things be cause that would make this game easier, whatever)
so i'm here and looking through things if anyone wants to discuss anything but yeah just started so questions like "what are your reads now, rsoul?" will get ignored ^^ questions like "what do you think about x?" i'll respond to, and i'll prob have several of my own depending on who is still around I honestly don't know I don't like his claim at all. Though it makes sense to me he ate a shot last night though with how the kps went I guess? nh, idk like any way you look at it there's something fishy here...we're assuming two town kp and two scum kp right? but three of those were blocked/shot into protection? i really don't want to be more exact here and was hoping you understood what i was driving at :/ sl's claim itself should give you pause i would think
i mean, let's be honest, large normal, standard scum kp would be 2kp, maybe 3 this early even, assuming no 3rd party but of course 3rd party is actually pretty likely but you'd still expect more deaths than just stutters
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