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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 27 2016 07:09 GMT
#1642
i need to read damdred's filter at some point

lynch pile for me currently is something like TT/tumble/rsoul/LS/rels ....particularly my newfound pov that is LS or rels is mafia i feel like the other one is too. vivax rapidly declining his way into that list, and VA makes me ask myself if i really want to give him a free pass until monday....hopefully some PR sorts that shit out.

yolo lynch for me is koshi
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 07:36 GMT
#1850
i am super tired and haven't read since like 24 hrs ago. did anything happen?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 07:53 GMT
#1853
bleh a claim fiesta....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:04 GMT
#1855
reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:14 GMT
#1857
i will be the first one to tell you rsoul that my execution of that plan was bad. the plan is good, execution bad. said it a bunch of times and have since moved on cuz if i bring it up people take that opportunity to call me an idiot and being called bad/trash/dumb gets old so i will just keep my disagreements on the matter to myself going forward.

i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth.

outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:19 GMT
#1861
rsoul is the only person who claimed reactively or due to provocation right?

every1 else has claimed pro-actively; SL and kuru not in conjunction with a flip...that correct?

also kuru was your shot refunded after shooting koshi? that could be telling if you shot into prot or a rb because aren't rb bullets refunded generally and prot bullets not?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:30 GMT
#1879
like you gotta try to understand this from my perspective if you're town rsoul. regardless of how valid you think my reasons are (let's say they're shit hypothetically), i think you have done things that are scum indicative. you then proceed to basically threaten a claim 2 or 3 times withing 6 hours of the lynch. you are tied or leading in votes and have to leave prior to the deadline. you elect not to claim after having threatened it. you survive the lynch, don't get shot (as far as i know), and then relatively close to the start of the next phase in a closed setup you claim the same role as the only blue that has flipped after being cased.

that is what i am seeing as VT and that sequence of events doesn't look particularly town/blue....i don't understand why you don't claim to ensure you make it through the phase if you have to leave and can't be certain you'll survive...especially knowing your role is linked to another person you can also potentially get hints as to who your partner is....and then the reactive claim after pressure + convenience of same role as has flipped. this is what i am seeing, so explain to me how this is town motivated.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:43 GMT
#1891
from the way her role reads i think the balance is in, they don't know eachother, there is no confirmation of same alignment 1 could be making items for the other and the other is red, and that 1 makes the other uses, so if 1 dies the other becomes useless-ish?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:48 GMT
#1895
i am trying to evaluate if it is even worth lynching rsoul today.....supposedly she has an item that has a 50% chance of turning into an action or blowing up and being useless immediately upon night phase correct?

so the options are:
1 - town -> item -> potential useful information
2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow
3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town
4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow


ugh that's a shitty EV imo
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:50 GMT
#1898
the other problem with that is i don't have another lynch i feel extremely passionately about....

maybe rels/LS cuz i made that yolo they together read....also when i glanced at rels filter he responded negatively to LS a few times, but then didn't include him in his read list at all...which i found extremely odd.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:53 GMT
#1901
particularly this i thought meant he was reading LS scum:

On March 24 2016 23:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
ill be voting for rsoultin at any rate, half policy half read

Okay this very bad. Why vote for someone if you didn't read much of the thread?

This seems like you opportunisticly posted that after JAT attacked this read.


but then

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.




nowhere...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 08:55 GMT
#1905
also rels wanted to lynch me - VT, tube - town, stutters - town, and VA - ?

those are some really bad d1 reads.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:10 GMT
#1919
i just clicked TTs filter and it fucked my head really hard.......i think he is town? kinda?...but i don't...

the main reason i don't is that he has both me and rsoul as scum which kinda feels like he is posturing to be on the right side regardless. plus his koshi and vivax reads....they are literally "ezpz town never lynch"; which i don't see for either those seem like really odd reads to be his strongest. he also thinks 2 ppl who claimed vigi are both mafia in slam and kuru; expressly wanting to lynch kuru...but not explaining how claiming a failed kp on koshi is mafia motivated.

the main reason i think he is town is 2 observations: 1) in his slam read he posts about how slam was considering shooting kuru, but then trusted kuru's read on gumshoe and shot gumshoe and how that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and 2) this post:

On March 28 2016 14:29 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 11:46 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:
On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote:
I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened.

1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active.

2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list.

3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her.

There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch.

I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm.

Ows what do you think who are scum?


I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters.

Though,
Day 1 Final Votecount

Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin


Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul...



your reads are kinda awful ^^ i mostly skimmed your post earlier, but you have rit and myself as scum together which is pretty tinfoily at best, i can forgive the ls read even if it's awful cause meh ls he's gonna get scumread whatever

and kuru and i as scum together...so basically you've decided that your scum team is completely bussing one another from d1 for no good reason? explain this


I didn't say you two were on a team, you were both scum leans but I'm sure not on the same team given how your going at each other. Though since this setup could be multi-faction you could both be mafia (on opposing teams) or some kinda anti-town.

I'm not trying to build teams at all, just reading individuals.

Also why do you give me a pass on scum-reading LS but not Rit?


that bolded part...idk why but it feels really town to me...especially considering he has me leaning scum.

i kinda think TT is town...but i am really hesitant about that read.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:12 GMT
#1920
On March 28 2016 18:02 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
also rels wanted to lynch me - VT, tube - town, stutters - town, and VA - ?

those are some really bad d1 reads.


eh, that doesn't really make anyone scum though...bad d1 reads? lol

as for the ls thing him falling into a lean doesn't seem completely unreasonable

i'd say it's mostly being underwhelming if it's anything, but he's also been lynched as town for that recently if i recall

like seriously lol >< i do think that maybe him being the only one really picking up what i was laying down might make him more likely scum since no one else seemed to really see it (jat and damdy kinda did i spose but eh)


it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:23 GMT
#1930
going at length to try condemn the person you're about to shoot is a little strange....i mean in his mind they're about to be resolved so establishing the reasoning can be done after....dunno tho his list isn't atrocious excluding me. at that point in the game i don't think i felt particularly strong town feelings toward anyone else on kuru's list
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:27 GMT
#1932
mothefuck man....terrible idea.....drank a soda today cuz of the holiday, worst decision ever. been clean of soda for 9 months after 20+ years of drinking 3-6 per day....now i have a splitting headache and all i can think about is how bad i want one....addiction man....it's real bad.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:38 GMT
#1941
On March 28 2016 18:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 18:25 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2016 18:21 Vivax wrote:
SL at least seems town now, posts wild theories, tries to get the big picture. His claim was still shitty but the latest activities removed doubts I had during his early play. Plus the copypaste of the wagon was funny and townie.

That's 1 less to go which is a lot in this game.

Ritoky rightly pointing out that TT pretty much TRs me and Koshi too easily, too firmly but then reaching for the opposite conclusion afterwards bugged me, still not sure on him and rso. Rso is not being annoying except towards people scumreading her and even then it seems more like an aggressive way of being annoying which I've seen her do as scum when I figured her out being in a team with Ruxxar in some game a while ago.


zzz lol like this way of reading me is just never gonna work

ironically enough the xP analysis was right >> cause that seems even shittier

what do you think of rit's point on rels?


Judging from the stuff that Rels posted on LS which btw I had to research myself instead of ritoky just posting what he means (and im lazy so I dislike that) Rels only says 1 of the LS posts seemed opportunistic, while the others are just reasons to disagree with something, so don't really know why ritoky expects a full fledged read. Not to mention most of it was D1 stuff, Rels is basically afk this game.


On March 28 2016 18:12 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 18:02 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
also rels wanted to lynch me - VT, tube - town, stutters - town, and VA - ?

those are some really bad d1 reads.


eh, that doesn't really make anyone scum though...bad d1 reads? lol

as for the ls thing him falling into a lean doesn't seem completely unreasonable

i'd say it's mostly being underwhelming if it's anything, but he's also been lynched as town for that recently if i recall

like seriously lol >< i do think that maybe him being the only one really picking up what i was laying down might make him more likely scum since no one else seemed to really see it (jat and damdy kinda did i spose but eh)


it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:48 GMT
#1944
On March 26 2016 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
"Wake up, town" reads list
VayneAuthority - idk how anyone is TRing him. He was here for a little bit and now he'll miss all of this phase. That's NAI at best.
Kurumi - He's almost comically angry. I'm kinda just sheeping Rels on this and
Damdred - His reads are really shallow, like "LS obv town" and nothing else. His D1 scumlist also sucked-- 2 plynches, tubesock, and kurumi (the only one who even kinda goes against what people think) [and me but with a disclaimer]. ALSO one time he said there's one scum between me and Tube because of some nonexistent exchange between us. k i'm done now i swear
sandroba - Making the same reads as everyone else (when present), but for much worse reasons
ObiWanShinobi - he hasn't been present much, but I like the quality of his reads
Koshi - people are like "oh angry koshi = town koshi" but his displays of emotion so far have been utterly fakeable
Rels - he's been insightful this game and actually has original, non-obvious reads which are hard to fake when you're not looking for something
justanothertownie - I don't want to read his filter so I'm just going to say he's being aggressive and leave it at that.
ritoky - Either obv town or obv scum and I can't tell which is which
sicklucker - Doesn't he on D1 act scummy even as town? If not everyone in Devil Inside Mafia lied to me.
Alakaslam - he's a vig
Shapelog - He blends in far more than he usually does. Usually when he blends in it's because I'm ignoring all his posts, but this time it's because I don't notice it's him. Even though he has a 7-page filter, it seems he's not putting very much effort into the game.
Vivax - he's doing a pretty alright job, y'know?
rsoultin - I was really on the fence about this earlier but with Tubesock turning up town I think rsoul is also town.
LightningStrike - One time I played with someone who was obvious town in his first game. LS is playing the same way, except it's not his first game. This makes him ???
Superbia - He's attacking the game in unorthodox ways, which I think is townie, if that makes sense.


these town reads are extremely biazarre
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 09:54 GMT
#1947
On March 28 2016 18:49 Vivax wrote:
Lol if I'm more scummy than shape who is just a totally different person than usual in this game or even Koshi who is playing a completely different game than he does as town then I'm totally down for a rsoultin spitelynch, whether shes mafia or not.


explain the shape read to me plz. i am statistically awful at reading him....also i have a headache and his filter is 8 pages which is too daunting @ 3am.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 28 2016 10:02 GMT
#1951
please....for the love of god....stop being combative...it is not helping me read you town if you really are....i am trying to consider if the #1 thing i have believed all game is wrong....just talk about reads.

why do people have asterisks? why is OWS so high? reasons for the 4 people at the bottom of your list? how did i climb so high so fast? why is sandroba the most likely town of the 3 claimed kp?

stuff like that please.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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