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On March 25 2016 06:42 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:36 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 06:35 Superbia wrote:
Tiiiiired.
Did not like slam's reaction. Felt like forced emotional tailored to withhold info (we still don't know that much about his role, though I believe he dropped the hint that he has multiple shots?). Was expecting more info. Also no idea why he's reacting that strongly if he's town.
JAT is.. okay? I feel conflicted. On the one hand I like his aggression and pro-activeness. On the other I don't really like the direction he's taking it in. I feel like this is more his town game than his mafia however (i.e. I think we approach the game differently as town). Kind of town-lean for now.
I feel like a lot (1-2) of people are taking my stance on Koshi as me reading him mafia. That is incorrect. I have a town lean on Koshi.
Also some other stuff but I forgot. Around to chill and talk for a bit when gf is not distracting me. Maybe will get some dive-energy later. Slam clearly said he had to shoot D1. What direction are you talking about with JAT ? But was there a time limit? I don't get shooting in the first 8 hours. I thought this would be clarified by slam through some role-mechanics thing. For JAT: I'm finding it hard to put into words. I understand why he would push me on the rso push like that from a possible-town's perspective, but I find it hard to find the direction his mindset is going after that. Tbf I feel like there is a rso/JAT/rels(you) circle going on which is going on ritoky(nono)/slam. Let me know if I'm reading that wrong.
No more info on Slam.
I think Slam is town now. I want to reread ritoky's filter at least if I can't talk to him before anything else. Something is bothering me.
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On March 25 2016 06:49 ritoky wrote:
because i don't think you have the stones to claim not town as mafia that early into the game and then do some weirdly bad rescindy stuff. i mean it is in my filter in a spoiler on a big reads post.
I don't care about that, as town your motivation is certainly not "I will look good 'cause I couldn't do that as scum". I assume you did that to create a town circle right ?
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On March 25 2016 06:13 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 23:42 Superbia wrote:
What's the average mafia count in a 21 player game? Assuming there is 3rd party and stuff too (I'm assuming there is). The formula is usually Players/5 rounded down, so that'd be 4 Mafia this game, was there a third party in either of Storm Mafias? Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.
I don't understand this paragraph at all. Why does mafia need to follow up on this? The logical/natural thing for them to do if slam is in fact mafia is to wait and see how well it goes/if he gets away with it before acting. Well, I think that they'd use the momentum created by the shot to some end. I have not seen that in the thread, people are not really reading Slam as scum, people are not super focused on people who were pushing gumshoe, I think if Mafia shot gum, they'd want the discussion to be on those points, not any others like we have right now. That's just the world I am in. Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there. Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker: What was good in my post you quoted? What are your scumreads and why? I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread. I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it... For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it...
WOW
This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT
Never lynching
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On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ? i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.
So you got no confirmed townie out of it ?
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On March 25 2016 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ? i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone. But here is the problem: You as an experienced players should not assume that mafia has no fakeclaims or knowledge about roles. Especially when 2 of the most experienced people of the community are hosting. It is really hard to believe.
That is one of my problem with the plan.
The other problem is that I felt reading your posts that you were trying more to (1) confirm yourself as town and (2) make sure it's obvious it's a plan rather than trying to quietly find VTs to confirm them when you reveal the plan.
Gonna reread to see if that holds up or not.
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On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.
On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts.
Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ?
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On March 25 2016 07:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts. Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ? don't care why i posted them, i did; honestly don't give a fuck anymore. people shitting on a great idea simply because they don't like angle shooting or it is not "standard play". great plan. GREAT PLAN
OK. To me here is my thoughts.
It's posted 1h30 after the picture. If your motivation was to form a town circle, why post them ? A lot of people didn't have the time to post. You made it painfully obvious what you were going for.
In addition, giving your conclusion about who is blue is so weird. ESPECIALLY since you didn't have other results. Like, it might be worth the deal to exchange one blue against 4 confirmed townies; but you just said "oh Damdred is blue or red" when this info did nothing to push town forward.
So I can't see the town motivation, but I can see the scum motivation quite well. Bluehunting, but more importantly make sure everyone knows you're doing a plan, a plan scum would never do, so you're townread.
So if you're town explain why you posted these 'cause I don't see it.
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On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it.
Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ?
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On March 25 2016 07:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ? because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive
This doesn't explain the "Damdred is blue" thing
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On March 25 2016 07:30 Alakaslam wrote:
I can't load much but I felt it dutiful to state that I had really been agreeing with Kurumi when I submitted my shot but my being the power takes the rap.
So it is what it is I will keep up in the future but cba to read all the bs before now.
Blame yourself for being so goddamn fucking hostile.
Did you have a time limit to submit it ?
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On March 25 2016 07:30 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:28 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 07:25 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ? because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive This doesn't explain the "Damdred is blue" thing you're being so thick it is painful. blue or red, not blue firstly. and it is an indicator of differentiated response to the play i am making hey look at this VT response, look at this non-VT response. HEY ALL VTs I AM MAKING A PLAY AROUND US, READ YOUR FUCKING ROLE PM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING. that didn't happen. blew my wad. should have closed the thread.
Meh. Will sleep on it and reread the game tomorrow. Like, this is maybe believable but the plan is so bad and you don't admit it and you're a super good player, especially regarding mechanics ... it's a closed setup with maybe crazy roles, no way is it a good idea to out blues. And it's also difficult for you to think scum wouldn't have the VT fakeclaim.
Read on VA ?
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Finally free! Didnt have any time to read all those pages today. Will be home and active in 1 hour
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On March 25 2016 12:25 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like I need a justification every time I'm AFK.
This seems townie
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On March 25 2016 13:25 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 05:44 Tictock wrote:
I'll get to reading this sometime tonight. Yea... this isn't actually happening
scum!TT is tryhard. Of course he could change that for this game but I don't know why he would given being inactive is much more scummy than being tryhard. TT might be town
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sandroba you still here ?
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On March 26 2016 04:53 Damdred wrote:
No mod kills in this game.
I liked his thoughts and back and forth jat not exactly the reasoning. Anyone can post a case.
I don't know if I like a RS wagon today though.
This is way more smoother than your previous stance about her. What changed ?
On March 25 2016 00:15 Damdred wrote:
I'm not giving a RS read yet because lynching her d1 isn't a good thing probably plus mafia will get tired of her spamming and shoot her anyway.
Lots of town reads so far its sort of surreal though super being bad towards me without any real reasoning is concerning to say the least.
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On March 26 2016 05:10 sandroba wrote:I'll keep my vote on rsoul. I'm going out now so I hope you guys lynch her. The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia : Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote:
firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.
it's pretty simple about rsoul though:
1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.
2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.
3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.
4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote:
you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got.
"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing. My vote stays.
You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ?
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Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.
Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.
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On March 26 2016 06:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.
Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.
We are not lynching VA. Stutters is pure policy and maybe we have a vig for him or something.
Stutters is actually the ideal person for a Slam shot. Hopefully he's dealt with by a vig.
You towread VA ?
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On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.
Why do you townread there if you don't bother reading me until later in the game ?
On March 26 2016 00:11 Tubesock wrote:
Concerning Ritoky. I may have fell for the ole caps lock trick. I felt he was sincere, but I do know he's a good liar and not at all above doing something like this as mafia. Hmm.
I agree with too much of Tumble's stuff (aside from Rels/Kurumi reads) so I can't vote him.
I don't neccessarily think Rels is mafia just that he's null to me. Same with SL and LS and to some extent Rso. Mostly I don't bother trying to read them till later in the game (SL, LS, Rso).
Anyway, Going to work, voting Kurumi.
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