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On March 25 2016 00:15 Damdred wrote:
I'm not giving a RS read yet because lynching her d1 isn't a good thing probably plus mafia will get tired of her spamming and shoot her anyway.
Lots of town reads so far its sort of surreal though super being bad towards me without any real reasoning is concerning to say the least.
Lots of townreads, eh? Mind sharing?
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On March 25 2016 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:11 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2016 00:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 00:01 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:47 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:44 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:43 Superbia wrote:
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Nice. I like it. Explain. Both of you - I don't like it at all. Why? Because I agreed with quite a few of her posts already. Sure, she is competent scum but I don't see why anyone would scumread her so far. Which ones, specifically? This one: On March 24 2016 22:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2016 22:14 Damdred wrote:
That was horrible slam already claimed he shot I think?
Gum was super obvious after awhile meh.
I think rit probably town though @.@ really? cause i can buy doing this just to be a dick to palmar but i don't buy in a million years that rit of all people thought that his play was good or that he was achieving anything with it like seriously >< i can look up which post was like duh duh duh obv what he was doing before he even claimed what he was doing when half the game hadn't even posted yet, but it definitely caught my eye like, i've seen vivax do this sort of play with...oneg maybe?...i think in assassination, and it still wasn't terribly solid but he at least was being subtle enough about it and then using it to inform his reads that it was obvious that he at least was town making a play, even if the reads he was getting were unreliable but the way rit did it absolutely never ever achieves anything here. like literally scum wouldn't even need the vt role name or whatever to see it if they had two brain cells to rub together, and the fact that rit has reversed his story now to say that no he was seriously trying to form a town circle with that? i call bs -_- so seriously, what the fuck are you seeing that i'm not, damdy? (tbf i agree on koshi though lol >< him stumbling all over himself was hilarious <3) also obv it was slam and there's another obv that i'm not going to feed him ^^ -pokes at rels- hihi oh, i think koshi asked about the ls read? it's basically the haha you high? type attitude when ls first gets scumread lol >< and no just cause someone says they're gonna change their play doesn't mean that you just throw out everything you know about them @.@ how many times have i said i'm gonna try to stop spamming? The only thing I disagree with here is the LS part because he definitely did that haha you high thing as mafia before. The ritoky part is entirely true. Also this one: On March 24 2016 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
eh, fuck it, i don't respond to terrorists ^^
##vote ritoky
nh, super, dude, losing patience @.@ "reactive" obv means emotional posting and i have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't have an idea on koshi after you've been around this long I was about to write something similar until I saw this post. You played with Koshi before. Everyone who played with town Koshi knows how he plays. It is very odd that you feel the need to ask questions like this. Is it? Mafia loves to pile on easy townreads. At some point everyone will figure out their own meta and adapt. It's always good town play to be wary. My point was logical and valid, albeit possiblY irrelevant for Koshi's alignment. The fact remains that the meta-reads on Koshi so far CAN be called careless, and that fact increases the likelihood of mafia spewing. I myself would like to see some pressure on RSO. I feel like what Ritoky has done has not been mafia indicative whatsoever. I personally care very little for the whole VT soft shenanigans and have paid little attention to that, but his mindset on the gumshoe incident lines up with my own. Sure, the Koshi townreads were quite careless. That is a fair point. But still you don't need to ask those questions if you ever played with Koshi and I think you did multiple times. Feel free to "pressure" rsoultin but if you actually scumread her I would like to know why. Don't you understand her point of view on the ritoky thing? I think it is pretty consistent even if you happen to disagree with the conclusion. I don't have a solid town read on Koshi yet. I'm going to assume from all of this that rso is super high in your town circle. Am I scum going after her? I don't have a town circle at all (I also do not have a solid townread on Koshi yet - however your read on him is completely irrelevant for the argument that you are asking questions you shouldn't need to ask because those are about his general play and not his play in this game). So no, she is not super high in there. I am not stupid enough to townread rsoultin this early in the game. My point is that I do not see why anyone would scumread her for what she has posted so far. You aren't automatically scum for going after her. That depends on your reasoning.
She completely ignored my posts (i.e. no read on me whatsoever) and scum-read/went after my 2 town-reads. I want pressure on her.
What are you getting from all of this? I am genuinely curious. You're at the moment pretty much defending her by questioning the push on her. Why? Do you think mafia is actively pursuing her? What does this mean for your read on her? Why do you believe that pushes on her need to be questioned? Why are these questions relevant to solving the game? Is it more important than letting it play out and collecting information that way?
Tbf your play/agenda is really questionable.
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Okay extended break time.
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On March 25 2016 00:19 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 00:11 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2016 00:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 00:01 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:47 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:44 justanothertownie wrote:
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Explain. Both of you - I don't like it at all. Why? Because I agreed with quite a few of her posts already. Sure, she is competent scum but I don't see why anyone would scumread her so far. Which ones, specifically? This one: On March 24 2016 22:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2016 22:14 Damdred wrote:
That was horrible slam already claimed he shot I think?
Gum was super obvious after awhile meh.
I think rit probably town though @.@ really? cause i can buy doing this just to be a dick to palmar but i don't buy in a million years that rit of all people thought that his play was good or that he was achieving anything with it like seriously >< i can look up which post was like duh duh duh obv what he was doing before he even claimed what he was doing when half the game hadn't even posted yet, but it definitely caught my eye like, i've seen vivax do this sort of play with...oneg maybe?...i think in assassination, and it still wasn't terribly solid but he at least was being subtle enough about it and then using it to inform his reads that it was obvious that he at least was town making a play, even if the reads he was getting were unreliable but the way rit did it absolutely never ever achieves anything here. like literally scum wouldn't even need the vt role name or whatever to see it if they had two brain cells to rub together, and the fact that rit has reversed his story now to say that no he was seriously trying to form a town circle with that? i call bs -_- so seriously, what the fuck are you seeing that i'm not, damdy? (tbf i agree on koshi though lol >< him stumbling all over himself was hilarious <3) also obv it was slam and there's another obv that i'm not going to feed him ^^ -pokes at rels- hihi oh, i think koshi asked about the ls read? it's basically the haha you high? type attitude when ls first gets scumread lol >< and no just cause someone says they're gonna change their play doesn't mean that you just throw out everything you know about them @.@ how many times have i said i'm gonna try to stop spamming? The only thing I disagree with here is the LS part because he definitely did that haha you high thing as mafia before. The ritoky part is entirely true. Also this one: On March 24 2016 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
eh, fuck it, i don't respond to terrorists ^^
##vote ritoky
nh, super, dude, losing patience @.@ "reactive" obv means emotional posting and i have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't have an idea on koshi after you've been around this long I was about to write something similar until I saw this post. You played with Koshi before. Everyone who played with town Koshi knows how he plays. It is very odd that you feel the need to ask questions like this. Is it? Mafia loves to pile on easy townreads. At some point everyone will figure out their own meta and adapt. It's always good town play to be wary. My point was logical and valid, albeit possiblY irrelevant for Koshi's alignment. The fact remains that the meta-reads on Koshi so far CAN be called careless, and that fact increases the likelihood of mafia spewing. I myself would like to see some pressure on RSO. I feel like what Ritoky has done has not been mafia indicative whatsoever. I personally care very little for the whole VT soft shenanigans and have paid little attention to that, but his mindset on the gumshoe incident lines up with my own. Sure, the Koshi townreads were quite careless. That is a fair point. But still you don't need to ask those questions if you ever played with Koshi and I think you did multiple times. Feel free to "pressure" rsoultin but if you actually scumread her I would like to know why. Don't you understand her point of view on the ritoky thing? I think it is pretty consistent even if you happen to disagree with the conclusion. I don't have a solid town read on Koshi yet. I'm going to assume from all of this that rso is super high in your town circle. Am I scum going after her? I don't have a town circle at all (I also do not have a solid townread on Koshi yet - however your read on him is completely irrelevant for the argument that you are asking questions you shouldn't need to ask because those are about his general play and not his play in this game). So no, she is not super high in there. I am not stupid enough to townread rsoultin this early in the game. My point is that I do not see why anyone would scumread her for what she has posted so far. You aren't automatically scum for going after her. That depends on your reasoning. She completely ignored my posts (i.e. no read on me whatsoever) and scum-read/went after my 2 town-reads. I want pressure on her. What are you getting from all of this? I am genuinely curious. You're at the moment pretty much defending her by questioning the push on her. Why? Do you think mafia is actively pursuing her? What does this mean for your read on her? Why do you believe that pushes on her need to be questioned? Why are these questions relevant to solving the game? Is it more important than letting it play out and collecting information that way?
Do you think your posts were so interesting that ignoring them would be unnatural as town? Because I ignored them too.
I am not defending her at all. I want you to explain what is scummy about her to get a better read on YOU. So far the only thing you brought up was a disagreement about ritoky which isn't a very good reas. Pushes always need to be questioned.
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On March 24 2016 22:54 rsoultin wrote:
don't know kuru from adam lol >< WoT was kinda awful tho
no one finds it interesting that tumble's already talking about a gum town flip and looking for scum on the wagon? could be lining up lynches...though to be fair gum coulda been looking more townie by then (not sure when exactly he first mentioned it and cba to look it up before class ^^)
pues, that said, i'm out
i'm all for slam/rit wagons right now ^^ go forth and do good work, minions!
For me, the weirdest thing from tumble so far was the fact he posted this:
On March 24 2016 14:26 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm signing off for the night
2 hours since his last post. so it either means he was in the thread reading for 2 hours or got off and came back later to post that he was off?
Tumble is a low poster, and so far his other posts kinda was where i was at (Gum as possible lynchbait.) I'll wait till he is back so he can explain the above but i think he is towny enough (from both a meta and post wise) to not be a d1 lynch.
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Confirmed Town
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Likely Town
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Maybe town
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Not going to lynch Town
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rsoultin
Tumblewood
Rels
Null
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sandroba
ObiWanShinobi (Happy to stay in the shadows Cav? That's bad, come out of it)
Tictock
Shapelog
Tubesock
Won't lynch right now Mafia
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Kurumi
sicklucker
Damdred
Superbia (I feel like this guy has some really wrong reads. On top of that, did he go against the people reading me as town because they do it too easy or because he thinks I am mafia or is it both? Looked like he adjusted his story when he was getting flak which is never good. It was also quite obvious JAT didn't have rsoultin super high in his townlist. misrepresenting is bad as well.)
Maybe Mafia
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I know. Rels will react the same.
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On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Wasn't me. Dibs on Slam, he literally spammed the thread saying that he is going to kill someone.
Also, bollocks. I really was wrong. I really was too harsh. I wanted to keep up with that and attack Koshi, but then he decided to play his Town game and break all the vows and rave around. So Koshi moved from a scum-leaning to town-leaning in my eyes. Play after gumshoe's death and his relentlessness about ritoky only proves that. Also, don't do the list only Koshi, because what I am doing right now is giving you a pass for now, not forever.
As for ritoky:
Holy shit dude, your plan... wasn't that... great. Yeah, you've done that and I believe you, but that brought a lot more harm than anything else. As a person who has hosted games and has played in fair share of them, not only hosts give the Vanilla Townie name (and sometimes more) they also offer fakeclaims for every role under the sun. Your argument that revealing VTs would create an impossible-to-combat Town Circle is also wrong, because, well, your assumption was that people who know the name will behave accordingly... which is people being VTs and Mafia.
I think your play is more indicative of a naive townie than a scum. If you were scum, you'd be more blunt about the claim. Maybe claim the name in some disorted way, maybe hint it more strongly, I have no idea, but for sure you'd try to fish for someone disagreeing with you. Another slight-town read.
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.
So that's it for the current things. I will look up shoe's filter and wander around in thread as well, because I need another shot of Scumus Readus for both this shift and another or I'll goddamn die.
Wonder if the bolded is actually genuine or not. Eh, i can see it as either or so NAI i guess for right now.
I actually like this post a bit except from the bolded, the bolded just sounds weird. Maybe it is just me.
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On March 25 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:19 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2016 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 00:11 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2016 00:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 00:01 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:47 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote:
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Why? Because I agreed with quite a few of her posts already. Sure, she is competent scum but I don't see why anyone would scumread her so far. Which ones, specifically? This one: On March 24 2016 22:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2016 22:14 Damdred wrote:
That was horrible slam already claimed he shot I think?
Gum was super obvious after awhile meh.
I think rit probably town though @.@ really? cause i can buy doing this just to be a dick to palmar but i don't buy in a million years that rit of all people thought that his play was good or that he was achieving anything with it like seriously >< i can look up which post was like duh duh duh obv what he was doing before he even claimed what he was doing when half the game hadn't even posted yet, but it definitely caught my eye like, i've seen vivax do this sort of play with...oneg maybe?...i think in assassination, and it still wasn't terribly solid but he at least was being subtle enough about it and then using it to inform his reads that it was obvious that he at least was town making a play, even if the reads he was getting were unreliable but the way rit did it absolutely never ever achieves anything here. like literally scum wouldn't even need the vt role name or whatever to see it if they had two brain cells to rub together, and the fact that rit has reversed his story now to say that no he was seriously trying to form a town circle with that? i call bs -_- so seriously, what the fuck are you seeing that i'm not, damdy? (tbf i agree on koshi though lol >< him stumbling all over himself was hilarious <3) also obv it was slam and there's another obv that i'm not going to feed him ^^ -pokes at rels- hihi oh, i think koshi asked about the ls read? it's basically the haha you high? type attitude when ls first gets scumread lol >< and no just cause someone says they're gonna change their play doesn't mean that you just throw out everything you know about them @.@ how many times have i said i'm gonna try to stop spamming? The only thing I disagree with here is the LS part because he definitely did that haha you high thing as mafia before. The ritoky part is entirely true. Also this one: On March 24 2016 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
eh, fuck it, i don't respond to terrorists ^^
##vote ritoky
nh, super, dude, losing patience @.@ "reactive" obv means emotional posting and i have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't have an idea on koshi after you've been around this long I was about to write something similar until I saw this post. You played with Koshi before. Everyone who played with town Koshi knows how he plays. It is very odd that you feel the need to ask questions like this. Is it? Mafia loves to pile on easy townreads. At some point everyone will figure out their own meta and adapt. It's always good town play to be wary. My point was logical and valid, albeit possiblY irrelevant for Koshi's alignment. The fact remains that the meta-reads on Koshi so far CAN be called careless, and that fact increases the likelihood of mafia spewing. I myself would like to see some pressure on RSO. I feel like what Ritoky has done has not been mafia indicative whatsoever. I personally care very little for the whole VT soft shenanigans and have paid little attention to that, but his mindset on the gumshoe incident lines up with my own. Sure, the Koshi townreads were quite careless. That is a fair point. But still you don't need to ask those questions if you ever played with Koshi and I think you did multiple times. Feel free to "pressure" rsoultin but if you actually scumread her I would like to know why. Don't you understand her point of view on the ritoky thing? I think it is pretty consistent even if you happen to disagree with the conclusion. I don't have a solid town read on Koshi yet. I'm going to assume from all of this that rso is super high in your town circle. Am I scum going after her? I don't have a town circle at all (I also do not have a solid townread on Koshi yet - however your read on him is completely irrelevant for the argument that you are asking questions you shouldn't need to ask because those are about his general play and not his play in this game). So no, she is not super high in there. I am not stupid enough to townread rsoultin this early in the game. My point is that I do not see why anyone would scumread her for what she has posted so far. You aren't automatically scum for going after her. That depends on your reasoning. She completely ignored my posts (i.e. no read on me whatsoever) and scum-read/went after my 2 town-reads. I want pressure on her. What are you getting from all of this? I am genuinely curious. You're at the moment pretty much defending her by questioning the push on her. Why? Do you think mafia is actively pursuing her? What does this mean for your read on her? Why do you believe that pushes on her need to be questioned? Why are these questions relevant to solving the game? Is it more important than letting it play out and collecting information that way? Do you think your posts were so interesting that ignoring them would be unnatural as town? Because I ignored them too. I am not defending her at all. I want you to explain what is scummy about her to get a better read on YOU. So far the only thing you brought up was a disagreement about ritoky which isn't a very good reas. Pushes always need to be questioned.
She gave a read on pretty much everyone but me. I think that's questionable, as I felt I had been the most vocal at that point in time. I would expect at least -something-. Especially if you want to say something about everyone in the game so far (which her post seems to do). I don't think this is necessarily scummy, but paired with the fact that she is pushing in the opposite direction of where I want the game to go (I want to look at the gumshoe push), I want to see some pressure on her.
Now I'm taking my break (asshole). I still think we need to look into LS/kurumi/shapelog later today when I get back. Finish the timeline etc. Or just reach some hard conclusions.
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On March 25 2016 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:15 Damdred wrote:
I'm not giving a RS read yet because lynching her d1 isn't a good thing probably plus mafia will get tired of her spamming and shoot her anyway.
Lots of town reads so far its sort of surreal though super being bad towards me without any real reasoning is concerning to say the least. Lots of townreads, eh? Mind sharing?
Lots is probably an exaggeration but
LS
Vivax
Super
koshi
Rit
Slam
Some of them are flimsy right now and built on gut rit and slam. Koshis is easily faked I think buy I think its enough for d1 pass. I'm decently sure about ls and vivax though, super has a few problems but is still solid.
And I want to town read you jat but we are in the dating stage
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On March 24 2016 23:09 Superbia wrote:
Timeline
1. Superbia starts push on gumshoe for bad opening post and some troll-bullshit.
2? Sicklucker joins push.
4? shapelog calls superbia out for troll-bullshit.
- shapelog has gum as null
- shapelog has superbia as lean-town
5? kurumi opens up day with tunnel on gumshoe.
I am only guessing 3 got lost on the expedition.
Feel like something is missing from this so let me look back in a few.
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On March 25 2016 00:31 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 00:15 Damdred wrote:
I'm not giving a RS read yet because lynching her d1 isn't a good thing probably plus mafia will get tired of her spamming and shoot her anyway.
Lots of town reads so far its sort of surreal though super being bad towards me without any real reasoning is concerning to say the least. Lots of townreads, eh? Mind sharing? Lots is probably an exaggeration but LS Vivax Super koshi Rit Slam Some of them are flimsy right now and built on gut rit and slam. Koshis is easily faked I think buy I think its enough for d1 pass. I'm decently sure about ls and vivax though, super has a few problems but is still solid. And I want to town read you jat but we are in the dating stage
Oh jeez, how thrilling.
Did you explain slam somewhere or is it really pure gut?
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On March 24 2016 23:36 Superbia wrote:
Forgot about tumblewood guy so let's give him a scum-lean as well.
What?
You forgot about someone so scumlean them is totes the best way... Instead of looking at their posts and determining it form them?
Maybe you flesh this out, otherwise if not, please do so at your earliest convince.
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On March 25 2016 00:36 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 23:36 Superbia wrote:
Forgot about tumblewood guy so let's give him a scum-lean as well. What? You forgot about someone so scumlean them is totes the best way... Instead of looking at their posts and determining it form them? Maybe you flesh this out, otherwise if not, please do so at your earliest convince.
Forgettable people usually have a very high chance of being mafia. It's a legit reason on its own.
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##unvote
##vote Slam
Mr. Chupazi never gets killed by mafia. I do not believe in shots that need to be fired so fast within D1. I do not understand why he wouldn't wait. He can die.
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On March 25 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 00:36 Shapelog wrote:On March 24 2016 23:36 Superbia wrote:
Forgot about tumblewood guy so let's give him a scum-lean as well. What? You forgot about someone so scumlean them is totes the best way... Instead of looking at their posts and determining it form them? Maybe you flesh this out, otherwise if not, please do so at your earliest convince. Forgettable people usually have a very high chance of being mafia. It's a legit reason on its own.
Eh i guess so. But he should have something else to go along with it theoretically since he also looked at the gumshow wagon/read timeline on gumshow.
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On March 25 2016 00:41 Koshi wrote:
Mr. Chupazi never gets killed by mafia. I do not believe in shots that need to be fired so fast within D1. I do not understand why he wouldn't wait. He can die.
That's exactly my line of reasoning here - I have no idea why he felt the need to shoot so early. Good boy.
Still would have liked slam to adress the thing first :/
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On March 25 2016 00:29 Koshi wrote:
:D
I know. Rels will react the same.
^^
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On March 25 2016 00:26 Koshi wrote:Confirmed Town+ Show Spoiler +Likely Town+ Show Spoiler +Maybe town+ Show Spoiler +Not going to lynch Town+ Show Spoiler +VayneAuthority
rsoultin
Tumblewood
Rels
Stutters695
sandroba
ObiWanShinobi (Happy to stay in the shadows Cav? That's bad, come out of it)
Tictock
Shapelog
Tubesock
ritoky
Kurumi
sicklucker
Damdred
Superbia (I feel like this guy has some really wrong reads. On top of that, did he go against the people reading me as town because they do it too easy or because he thinks I am mafia or is it both? Looked like he adjusted his story when he was getting flak which is never good. It was also quite obvious JAT didn't have rsoultin super high in his townlist. misrepresenting is bad as well.)
Actually, can you explain why Tumblewood is in your townlist? And why LS is this far down?
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