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firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.
it's pretty simple about rsoul though:
1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.
2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.
3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.
4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles.
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On March 25 2016 05:06 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote:
firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.
it's pretty simple about rsoul though:
1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.
2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.
3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.
4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. She was the host our last game together to be honest and I had talked to her in real life laughing about the fake anger and she said it was kinda weird lol.... Anyways I already gave some of my reads they just kinda spread out atm I probably give a list out soon.
okay? what does that have to do with my read at all?
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you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got.
"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really?
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well that last point just got rekt by ninja, but w/e the rest is goot.
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town:
ritoky
superbia
sl
shape
used to be town, but dropoff after town reads:
vivax
town leans:
jat
obi
VA
don't wanna lynch today, reluctant/hesitant town:
koshi
dunno cuz no idea what roles are in the game, townish, re-eval later:
slam
mafia leans:
LS
tumblewood
mafia:
rsoul
policy:
sandroba
ticktock
no solid opinions:
kurumi
stutters
rels (although me thinking his reads are super bad right now might be alignment indicative)
tubesock
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damdred doesn't make the list cuz he is speshul
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because i don't think you have the stones to claim not town as mafia that early into the game and then do some weirdly bad rescindy stuff. i mean it is in my filter in a spoiler on a big reads post.
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On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ?
i spelled it out multiple times, but sure.
i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly.
so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way.
i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.
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On March 25 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:49 ritoky wrote:
because i don't think you have the stones to claim not town as mafia that early into the game and then do some weirdly bad rescindy stuff. i mean it is in my filter in a spoiler on a big reads post. Superbia isn't a coward as scum and you don't even need any stones to do that. It is completely nai.
i suppose i could have him mislabled in my head, but he identified me as town, he has a high effort level, and his reads aren't trash; so he's got a lot going for him.
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On March 25 2016 06:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ? i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone. So you got no confirmed townie out of it ?
i mean on some level i confirmed myself as town, which is cool; but overall the execution was bad and all i felt i got from it was that superbia might be VT, damd felt red or blue, slam wasn't vt, and SL pocketed me. the results were bad, but the plan was not.
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i mean very often i don't even read the fake claims in my QT, especially right away at the start of the game when there's a lot more shit to worry about as mafia than your list of fake claims. most players, myself included, from my experience only reference them when needed.
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and it is not like people attempted to ingratiate themselves with me after i went from the car picture, to saying the word expedition. so i sincerely doubt the mafia members even understood what was going on with the fake claims present until it was painfully obvious and there was no point.
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On March 25 2016 07:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:03 ritoky wrote:
i mean very often i don't even read the fake claims in my QT, especially right away at the start of the game when there's a lot more shit to worry about as mafia than your list of fake claims. most players, myself included, from my experience only reference them when needed. Once they realize that you are testing them which you outed extremely early btw. they just look it up. The result is that you tell mafia who is blue and learn nothing yourself.
agree to disagree. i will defend that plan as really good in and outside the game, and even if it gets me lynched. i agree with you my execution was bad, the picture was too unclear of communication, and i got antsy and should have held silent longer. i also think the plan was so poorly executed that it isn't devastating or even detrimental like you seem to think. if executed properly i think it is a massive town sided swing.
if you disagree on the EV i dunno, we just disagree about gameplay.
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holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks.
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On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:54 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts. Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ?
don't care why i posted them, i did; honestly don't give a fuck anymore. people shitting on a great idea simply because they don't like angle shooting or it is not "standard play". great plan.
GREAT PLAN
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On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle.
who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing....
people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it.
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On March 25 2016 07:21 Damdred wrote:
And if you get blue roles shot early what then? It's not a great plan especially with janitors Roleblocks, power stealers, mafia mason assassinations ( who copy the persons power)
There's so much that could go wrong that can screw town. Let a line third parties in game
IF THEY DO THEN YOU HAVE A MILLION SEMI-CONFIRMED TOWN SITTING THERE ALIVE HOLY CRAP DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND HOW 8 TOWN KNOWING FOR SURE WHO EACHOTHER ARE IS AS OR MORE POWERFUL THAN 2 PRS OR W/E??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ?
because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive
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On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Wait why 8?
cuz i picked a random fucking large number
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On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper.
communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper.
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