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And the more I think of it the more I really have problems with the fact damdred didn't save vivax. But he is 99% confirmed town. The switch was due to him and Vivax and the kp is missing otherwise.
But who else would you protect lol. w.e
It's fine for now.
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On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2016 19:42 Rels wrote:
Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it. On March 26 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 05:10 sandroba wrote:I'll keep my vote on rsoul. I'm going out now so I hope you guys lynch her. The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia : On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote:
firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.
it's pretty simple about rsoul though:
1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.
2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.
3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.
4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote:
you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got.
"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing. My vote stays. You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ? I don't think I ever answer this and no follow up. On March 27 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:
Samdroba you came into the game late. You used the link in the op to find the day 1 post I assume ? I answered this and no follow up. On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do? This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game. He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal. You and LS tipped the scales on d1 vote tube vs rsoul. I was not particularly fond of your explanation or the timing of it. On March 26 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 00:00 Tubesock wrote:
Gums had votes on him already and was in danger. Why would anyone need to go all super giant case on the guy with what like 36 hours left in the day? If you are looking for someone to just lynch, then sure, secure that shit right away. But if you're town, I'd think you'd want to find out more and gain truth. The biggest thing for him being scum is this post. A lot of hours after its first reason to scumread Kurumi, tube is still stuck with the same reasonning. His scumread is not evolving with the thread. Futhermore, there is also the fact that he is so focused on only a couple people. Plus the read switch on me. Plus the "I would have scumread gumshoe if Kurumi didn't jump on him" sentence with doens't make sense. This reasoning seems pretty flawed, tube was arguing a point, regardless if time passes scummy shit that he thinks happened don't go away. I found this very underwhelming when comparing to your arguments last game. Also these 2 posts have me worried On March 26 2016 05:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 13:25 Tictock wrote:On March 25 2016 05:44 Tictock wrote:
I'll get to reading this sometime tonight. Yea... this isn't actually happening scum!TT is tryhard. Of course he could change that for this game but I don't know why he would given being inactive is much more scummy than being tryhard. TT might be town On March 29 2016 06:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
badumdum!
ise the bedrock on which you're built, the cog in the machine, the...awful rsoul who has only skimmed lol >< So this is her breadcrumbs to an engineer role. So it's 100% sure she has this kind of role and didn't invent in reaction to stutters flip. So she's kinda confirmed town I think
this is very believable.
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On March 30 2016 20:01 Rels wrote:
VA needs to be in this list too.
I agree with the thought that Tumble is confirmed town unless Koshi is scum. If Koshi is town, TT and rsoul would have voted him over Tumble since he was more likely to be lynched.
I don't agree with this. TT had koshi as obvious town and would be very obvious mafia if he voted koshi. I don't think rsoul could pull off a koshi vote out of the blue either based on her filter. I believe scum was happy to follow town on whoever they wanted to lynch ytd.
Are you even looking at tumble's behavior here? Don't right him off as confirmed town before you read his filter and the circumstances in which the voting was done.
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Yeah mafia TT and mafia rsoultin really loved me.
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On March 30 2016 20:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 13:14 ritoky wrote:On March 26 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi,justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin
Tumblewood: (0): Koshi
ritoky (0): Koshi, rsoultin, Koshi
Alakaslam (0): Koshi, Rels
Damdred (0): sicklucker
sandroba (0): Tubesock, Koshi
Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood
Day 1 ends in .
mafia had to save rsoul to some degree on this day; there's no way they just let a red PR go down for free on d1 when there is reasonable doubt being shown. we have 2 confirmed red and neither was a vote to save rsoul. the living people who voted to save her are OWS, kuru, koshi, rels, LS, and damd damd claimed doctor and since no1 else has said shit i am just assuming kurumi had shot refunded and shot rsoul. making them both extremely likely town. that list becomes OWS, LS, rels, koshi. probably 2 mafia in that list of 4. Hmmmm. I would say VA dares to buss but this was very nonchalant bussing. I think he would take more cred. Tumble under the non voters should also not be disregarded, even though those 2 votes on D2 on him. Meh :/. But yeah pretty insane if there is 2 mafia in ows,ls,rels and koshi because I really doubt ls is mafia, and I am preeeetttty sure I am not mafia.
I find that this is rarely the case. Normally when mafia busses early in a wagon they do it in a way that they don't really want other people to vote on it. I.e. don't make a strong argument and don't post too much about it, just like va.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I just don't know anymore. I haven't lynched mafia in ages. Like I can give you my ideas but I don't believe they will result in mafia lynches. It is possible. But it's a true 50/50 if I am being positive.
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Also rels your reason for thinking I'm 99% town because I asked kurumi the name of his role, despite correct, is not something I would expect from someone that doesn't know my alignment. Same as your kurumi thing.
And apparently your kurumi town read has generated a confirmed town read from tumble on you. Don't you think that's a little bit odd?
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On March 30 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:
I feel like I said all I had to say so just one thing left:
IF I get NKd, please just read my stuff, especially about superbia, sandro and rsoultins claim. Also keep in mind the option that a Rels shape scumteam might have sacced TT to save another and get townread in the process.
Pretty much the core points, obviously Kurumi can be mafia too.
I am following this guy. Will reread his filter in 8ish hours and see what to do. Maybe and probably just sit on superbia. Will reread yesterday after flip, he looked townie but also felt like a bit off buddying and not too much solving. But there was some.
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On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 19:42 Rels wrote:
Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it. Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On March 26 2016 05:10 sandroba wrote:I'll keep my vote on rsoul. I'm going out now so I hope you guys lynch her. The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia : On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote:
firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.
it's pretty simple about rsoul though:
1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.
2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.
3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.
4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote:
you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got.
"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing. My vote stays. You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ? I don't think I ever answer this and no follow up.
Yes I forgot about that.
On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:
Samdroba you came into the game late. You used the link in the op to find the day 1 post I assume ? I answered this and no follow up.
Cause it was finished. If you had said "I clicked on the link in the OP", I would have known it was bullshit 'cause you apparently didn't know gumshoe was dead during your first posts, but in the OP it's clearly indicated. It was a trap to see if you lied about that or not.
On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do? This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game. He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal. You and LS tipped the scales on d1 vote tube vs rsoul. I was not particularly fond of your explanation or the timing of it. Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On March 26 2016 00:00 Tubesock wrote:
Gums had votes on him already and was in danger. Why would anyone need to go all super giant case on the guy with what like 36 hours left in the day? If you are looking for someone to just lynch, then sure, secure that shit right away. But if you're town, I'd think you'd want to find out more and gain truth. The biggest thing for him being scum is this post. A lot of hours after its first reason to scumread Kurumi, tube is still stuck with the same reasonning. His scumread is not evolving with the thread. Futhermore, there is also the fact that he is so focused on only a couple people. Plus the read switch on me. Plus the "I would have scumread gumshoe if Kurumi didn't jump on him" sentence with doens't make sense. This reasoning seems pretty flawed, tube was arguing a point, regardless if time passes scummy shit that he thinks happened don't go away. I found this very underwhelming when comparing to your arguments last game.
No this is a good D1 case.
On March 30 2016 20:47 sandroba wrote:Also these 2 posts have me worried Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 05:10 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 13:25 Tictock wrote:On March 25 2016 05:44 Tictock wrote:
I'll get to reading this sometime tonight. Yea... this isn't actually happening scum!TT is tryhard. Of course he could change that for this game but I don't know why he would given being inactive is much more scummy than being tryhard. TT might be town Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 06:49 Rels wrote:On March 24 2016 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
badumdum!
ise the bedrock on which you're built, the cog in the machine, the...awful rsoul who has only skimmed lol >< So this is her breadcrumbs to an engineer role. So it's 100% sure she has this kind of role and didn't invent in reaction to stutters flip. So she's kinda confirmed town I think
Yeah you can scumread for this, it looks bad.
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On March 30 2016 20:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 20:01 Rels wrote:
VA needs to be in this list too.
I agree with the thought that Tumble is confirmed town unless Koshi is scum. If Koshi is town, TT and rsoul would have voted him over Tumble since he was more likely to be lynched. I don't agree with this. TT had koshi as obvious town and would be very obvious mafia if he voted koshi. I don't think rsoul could pull off a koshi vote out of the blue either based on her filter. I believe scum was happy to follow town on whoever they wanted to lynch ytd. Are you even looking at tumble's behavior here? Don't right him off as confirmed town before you read his filter and the circumstances in which the voting was done.
Yes I townread Tumble even before considering this. So this is an added indicator of town.
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On March 30 2016 21:01 sandroba wrote:
Also rels your reason for thinking I'm 99% town because I asked kurumi the name of his role, despite correct, is not something I would expect from someone that doesn't know my alignment. Same as your kurumi thing.
And apparently your kurumi town read has generated a confirmed town read from tumble on you. Don't you think that's a little bit odd?
No you read that wrong. The reason I think you're 99% town is you shooting someone scum would keep around to mislynch. The "game solving" mentality you've displayed is an added indicator for town.
I don't think it's odd Tumble townread me no, especially when it was easy to scumread me when I was super inactive.
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So you think Tumble's reasons to townread me are fabricated ?
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Yes, his reads in general seem fabricated and shallow, same thing I said very early into day 1, still has not changed.
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Tumble joined on the rsoultin wagon really late D2 (looking at the vote count), was it a vote that could make him town? I'll answer myself later if nobody can find it.
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On March 30 2016 21:34 sandroba wrote:
Yes, his reads in general seem fabricated and shallow, same thing I said very early into day 1, still has not changed.
OK it's kinda weird he had to reread my filter when you asked me for a justification for the townread when he should know exactly why I am confirmed town if he thinks that. BUT two things: (1) he got mislynched last game for playing super passivly too and (2) he was the wagon both TT and rsoul pushed. I think that makes him town.
What game did we play together BTW ? You keep referring to this "last game" where I was obvious town
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Just woke up guys and Rels starting to wavier sigh.... I know I defended Tina a lot but I thought I had a good tone read on her and I was fooled.......................... I honestly thought I would get modkilled over night so I kinda relieved but at the same time shakey.
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last game where you were lynched d1 for disapearing and I was telling everyone you were town.
Anyway I checked rsoul's and TT's filter and rsoul did throw quite a bit of dirt on tumble d1 and TT had no qualms lynching him either d2. Maybe tumble is just weird.
Also one thing both scummers have in common is they both kinda refuse to acess VA's alignment in a pretty weird fashion.
Gonna switch to VA.
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On March 27 2016 20:40 Vivax wrote:
Today TickTock lynch is best lynch. He is sligthly being like me when I roll scum, plus he scumreads both other wagons from yesterday which is picking low hanging fruit at its finest.
Plus he townreads me so hard and Vayne and Tumble whom I both gave reasons to TR are null for him and he doesn't bother at least referencing to my posts where I do that.
The first push of Vivax after end of night 1 is pushing TT. He was already scumreading him during D1, but he's only mentioning him in that second post of his after EON1. It's possible he RBd him during N1 and concluded he was scum when he saw no KP.
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He's mentioning only him* what I mean is that he's pushing exclusively TT here. Gonna see if that holds true during the rest of the day. He was the main force behind TT push at deadline, let's see if he was pushing him all day.
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