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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 30 2016 07:48 GMT
#3341
oh I almost forgot

[image loading]

in honor of are gracious host
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:17 GMT
#3342
On March 30 2016 07:08 Palmar wrote:
Day 3

[image loading]

Vivax the Doctor has been killed.
justanothertownie the Expedition Member has been killed.
rsoultin the Rebel Engineer has been killed.




It is now day 3. Day ends in . Good luck!

Yeah (= hopefully the shot has been claimed so we have a confirmed town. OR maybe stutters being AFK means she received a trap box or something. I mean, she probably lied about her abilities but it's super likely they had something to do with the other engineer.
BTW Vivax posted this before dying:
On March 30 2016 06:59 Vivax wrote:
Doctor roleblocks, he doesnt heal I think

So he was a roleblocker. So TT was 99% also a roleblocker. And it probably means we don't have a real doc since these two were the obvious saves.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:20 GMT
#3343
On March 30 2016 07:14 ritoky wrote:
thanks for conf town whoever shot her.

Yeah ritoky is probably town for the two of them pushing the other hardcore from the very beginning of the game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:22 GMT
#3344
On March 30 2016 07:19 Damdred wrote:
I'm sure we have more than one doctor type role though with all these vig around

Not sure about that, the two obvious targets died so unless he was RB I don't think we got one real doc.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:22 GMT
#3345
On March 30 2016 07:20 Superbia wrote:
Who called that rso was opposite engineer? That was pretty sick or TMI. But nice call regardless.

Vivax
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:26 GMT
#3346
On March 30 2016 07:36 sandroba wrote:
koshi you are forgeting rels. His play is not the same as last game where he was obvious town d1 and plenty of the "oh this shit is so towny" stuff he's said looks fake as shit.
Also I don't see a way around at least one of LS and him being mafia due to d1 votes.
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Night 1

Votecount for D1

Tubesock (7): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike
rsoultin (5): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin
Damdred (1): sicklucker
Tumblewood (0): Superbia, sicklucker, Vivax, Kurumi, Koshi
ritoky (0): Koshi, rsoultin, Koshi
Alakaslam (0): Koshi, Rels
sandroba (0): Tubesock, Koshi

Not Voting (5): Stutters695, Damdred, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood

Day 1 ends in .



I have said way more stuff that "this shit is so townie".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:32 GMT
#3347
On March 30 2016 09:00 Damdred wrote:
It's a bit hard to explain but I am a medic.

This is not how you make a claim.
- are you notified if you protect someone ?
- who did you protect N2 ?
- why didn't you protect your obvious townreads JAT & Vivax ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:33 GMT
#3348
On March 30 2016 09:31 sandroba wrote:
Rels I think is also trying to call me mafia for quite some time, but never grew the balls to actually do it.
besides the assossiation shit, these 3 also fit the mode of not doing anything, just like TT and rsoul.

That is the opposite of truth. Please quote what made you think that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:38 GMT
#3349
On March 30 2016 13:38 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 13:15 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 30 2016 10:05 sandroba wrote:
@tumble please explain and exemplify your strong town read on rels.
Also when you asked those questions didn't you have any intent behind them? Why do you think your questions were subpar?

1.
On March 25 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:
On March 25 2016 06:13 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:42 Superbia wrote:
What's the average mafia count in a 21 player game? Assuming there is 3rd party and stuff too (I'm assuming there is).


The formula is usually Players/5 rounded down, so that'd be 4 Mafia this game, was there a third party in either of Storm Mafias?


On March 25 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.

I don't understand this paragraph at all. Why does mafia need to follow up on this? The logical/natural thing for them to do if slam is in fact mafia is to wait and see how well it goes/if he gets away with it before acting.


Well, I think that they'd use the momentum created by the shot to some end. I have not seen that in the thread, people are not really reading Slam as scum, people are not super focused on people who were pushing gumshoe, I think if Mafia shot gum, they'd want the discussion to be on those points, not any others like we have right now. That's just the world I am in.

On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.

Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.

Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.

I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.

As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.

Ritoky probably is in fact VT.

Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.


Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there.

Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker:
What was good in my post you quoted?
What are your scumreads and why?
I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread.

I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it...

For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it...

WOW
This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT
Never lynching

This is the quote for which I originally read him town. The tone felt off but I liked the content enough to townread him for it, and I believe it still stands.
I was looking for more evidence of him being townie but holy shit look at this
On March 26 2016 06:40 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2016 06:39 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:
Everyone stop lurking. I know there are 4 people who still need to vote. Your fucking late arrival is absolutely unacceptable.

And you didn't totally just arrive p:


Hey at least I had my vote in already. I was planning to arrive 30m ago but meh. I'm not even sure who I want the wagon on at this point in time. Probably tumblewood but lots of people are calling him town so idk. I would prefer an RSO lynch over a tubesock lynch at this point in time.

I can understand scumreading rsoul but not over tube. Why is he town ?

If I see one more post this bad I'm reconsidering.
On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do?

This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game.
He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal.

Tone still off but content still great. He's also asking questions trying to get people to clarify their positions (e.g., "Is this a current read?"), which comes off as town trying to make sure scum can't weasel out of their stances.
2. They were too arbitrary-- I wasn't considering the possible responses as much as the questions, so I wouldn't know why the information would be helpful.

I mean dude, he was right on top of your list because of that random comment about kurumi, which isn't even particularly accurate or good. I don't buy your reads, and you seem to admit you didn't put much thought into them either. That quote from rels is from day1 and I even pointed out how bad it was, but I don't think you would know that because I don't think you are reading the thread closely, you are just grabbing tidbits here and there and making up shallow reads. Not like a townie plays.
Rels is indeed asking some questions but he never follows up. He asked me a couple and never followed up or derived any conclusions from them.

Don't say things before verifying them.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:40 GMT
#3350
On March 30 2016 13:49 sandroba wrote:
EBWOP:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 13:49 sandroba wrote:
On March 29 2016 12:18 Tumblewood wrote:
100% confirmed town forever
Damdred
Vivax
Rels
Alakaslam/scott31337



Rels is confirmed town forever because he pointed something out random in kurumi's post and said WOW SO TOWNIE. You even admit you think the tone is off. But mafia can never get some piece of a post and fake a town read right? Like it seems it's the first time you are going through you confirmed town forever filter.

This is why I townread Kurumi, it's not only the random comment on one post:
On March 30 2016 06:04 Rels wrote:
Dunno about kurumi, his entire filter is concentrating on finding scum. Besides the one townie thought I was jizzing about early game, he is only posting to find scum. Almost no townreads, and that is consistent with his very first post where he dislike Koshi for posting his full reads all the time. I think he's town.

I have reasons to think both Shape and OWS are town. But I would kill them before Kurumi.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:42 GMT
#3351
Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:44 GMT
#3352
Votes recap colored with flips

Day 1 final vote
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 final vote] +

Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin
Tumblewood: (0): Koshi
ritoky (0): Koshi, rsoultin, Koshi
Alakaslam (0): Koshi, Rels
Damdred (0): sicklucker
sandroba (0): Tubesock, Koshi

Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood


Day 2 final vote
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 final vote] +

Tictock (9): Vivax, LightningStrike, Shapelog, Rels, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, rsoultin, Tumblewood
Koshi (5): sicklucker, justanothertownie, Superbia, sandroba, Vivax, Kurumi, Tumblewood, sicklucker
rsoultin (2): sicklucker, sandroba, Koshi, ritoky, Alakaslam, sicklucker, Vivax. Shapelog, Tumblewood, Vivax
Tumblewood (2): VayneAuthority, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Koshi, Vivax, Tictock, rsoultin
Kurumi (0): rsoultin
sandroba (0): Alakaslam
Tictock (0): Vivax
Superbia (0): Koshi
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 10:56 GMT
#3353
So this votecount shows several things.
Two scums voted tumble over the scum wagons, so Tumble is very very likely town.
ritoky in particular, and maybe Superbia, who were my two main scumread before the flips, are probably town. Mainly ritoky 'cause rsoul and him shitfought in the thread D1 trying to lynch each other. Superbia didn't really push her I think, but I see he is the first vote on her D1 which is a unlikely place for scum I think. At the very least I won't consider them today.

I think at most one scum is in the rsoul wagon. I'm not counting SL on that one 'cause he voted + pushed for rsoultin's vote only a few minutes before deadline, so it's possible he was scum bussing her but thinking she couldn't be lynched anyway. Doesn't prove anything, but doesn't prove he's town. All other voters gets townpoints. If one guy is scum in her wagon, it's probably VA. He's pretty useless, lacks his usual sharpness, and it's not outside his scumplay to bus on D1 since he did exactly that in StarWars; he voted his partner Palmar D1 who was going to be lynched if JAT didn't switch voted 1 sec before deadline.

There ahs to be scum on tubesock though. And the D2 vote is not getting anyone townpoints, since rsoultin was also in danger of getting lynched there. I think LS and Damdred are the most likely scums there.
LS for his non-explained read on rsoul, I remember him saying "I don't care who is lynched as long as it's not rsoul".
Damdred unless he can explain his claim when he comes back. But even outside of that, ritoky's thoughts on rsoul are very good. Why would rsoul say she gave a vest to Damdred ? town!Damdred would go "no it's not true". I think they are partners. Since he claimed doc, maybe he can live a few days to see if he gets killed though.
OWS gets his townpoints for starting the TT wagon removed, since his partner was getting maybe lynched anyway if he didn't do anything. Don't remember much from him on way or the other outside of starting the TT wagon so I need to read his filter.

Actually I need to read a tons of filter. Dead guys first. Then SL, LS, Damdred, OWS.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 11:01 GMT
#3354
VA needs to be in this list too.

I agree with the thought that Tumble is confirmed town unless Koshi is scum. If Koshi is town, TT and rsoul would have voted him over Tumble since he was more likely to be lynched.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 11:05 GMT
#3355
Yep I'm watching the votecounts and this is basically where I am.
Town: ritoky Kurumi Tumble Koshi sandroba
Maybe town: Superbia
Need to reread : OWS VA SL
Need to reread - I think they're scum before rereading : Damdred LS

Reading the player list I'm missing Shape. He's saying smart things throughout the game and he voted rsoul D1. He switched from rsoul to TT D2. Gonna put him in the town category.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2016 11:06 GMT
#3356
AFK lunch, then the great filter dive will begin.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 30 2016 11:27 GMT
#3357
On March 30 2016 11:50 Damdred wrote:
Hi, yes you spelled it out in thread pretty quick SL though not to overtly.

As for who I protected last night id rather not say yet as I know I didn't stop a shot.

It is kinda weird you didn't save Vivax. But I guess you are not mafia. Or you wont really make endgame. So. Still strange.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 30 2016 11:33 GMT
#3358
On March 30 2016 13:14 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount

Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi,justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin
Tumblewood: (0): Koshi
ritoky (0): Koshi, rsoultin, Koshi
Alakaslam (0): Koshi, Rels
Damdred (0): sicklucker
sandroba (0): Tubesock, Koshi

Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood
Day 1 ends in .


mafia had to save rsoul to some degree on this day; there's no way they just let a red PR go down for free on d1 when there is reasonable doubt being shown. we have 2 confirmed red and neither was a vote to save rsoul.

the living people who voted to save her are OWS, kuru, koshi, rels, LS, and damd

damd claimed doctor and since no1 else has said shit i am just assuming kurumi had shot refunded and shot rsoul. making them both extremely likely town.

that list becomes OWS, LS, rels, koshi. probably 2 mafia in that list of 4.

Hmmmm. I would say VA dares to buss but this was very nonchalant bussing. I think he would take more cred. Tumble under the non voters should also not be disregarded, even though those 2 votes on D2 on him. Meh :/. But yeah pretty insane if there is 2 mafia in ows,ls,rels and koshi because I really doubt ls is mafia, and I am preeeetttty sure I am not mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 30 2016 11:46 GMT
#3359
Even with all this I still think superbia is just the least impactful player left. I don't know if that is normal. From reading his previous towngame he has a presence and likes to push things.

I wasn't around on the D1 lynch. How likely was it that rsoultin would die? Because Superbia was there complaining. So he was there to save rsoultin if needed, it would make him look bad, but he was there possibly because he knew his vote was on a buddy and he might need to make something happen.

But not a lot of things happened. EoD1 was like 2 pages in 2 hours?
I had a good night of sleep.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
March 30 2016 11:47 GMT
#3360
On March 30 2016 19:42 Rels wrote:
Sandroba I think you're town so this is a warning: don't piss me off or that will end in a shitfight. I get angry very quickly when people lie about me. You can scumread me, you cannot say lies about me. Now the first thing you need to do is providing sources for your claim that I was trying to put suspicions on you and didn't have enough balls to commit to it.

On March 26 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 05:10 sandroba wrote:
I'll keep my vote on rsoul. I'm going out now so I hope you guys lynch her.
The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia :
On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote:
firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me.

it's pretty simple about rsoul though:

1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow.

2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read.

3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative.

4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles.

On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote:
you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got.

"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really?


Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing.
My vote stays.

You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ?

I don't think I ever answer this and no follow up.
On March 27 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:
Samdroba you came into the game late. You used the link in the op to find the day 1 post I assume ?

I answered this and no follow up.
On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do?

This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game.
He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal.


You and LS tipped the scales on d1 vote tube vs rsoul. I was not particularly fond of your explanation or the timing of it.
On March 26 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 00:00 Tubesock wrote:
Gums had votes on him already and was in danger. Why would anyone need to go all super giant case on the guy with what like 36 hours left in the day? If you are looking for someone to just lynch, then sure, secure that shit right away. But if you're town, I'd think you'd want to find out more and gain truth.

The biggest thing for him being scum is this post. A lot of hours after its first reason to scumread Kurumi, tube is still stuck with the same reasonning. His scumread is not evolving with the thread.
Futhermore, there is also the fact that he is so focused on only a couple people. Plus the read switch on me. Plus the "I would have scumread gumshoe if Kurumi didn't jump on him" sentence with doens't make sense.

This reasoning seems pretty flawed, tube was arguing a point, regardless if time passes scummy shit that he thinks happened don't go away. I found this very underwhelming when comparing to your arguments last game.

Also these 2 posts have me worried
On March 26 2016 05:10 Rels wrote:
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On March 25 2016 13:25 Tictock wrote:
On March 25 2016 05:44 Tictock wrote:
I'll get to reading this sometime tonight.


Yea... this isn't actually happening

scum!TT is tryhard. Of course he could change that for this game but I don't know why he would given being inactive is much more scummy than being tryhard. TT might be town

On March 29 2016 06:49 Rels wrote:
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On March 24 2016 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
badumdum!

ise the bedrock on which you're built, the cog in the machine, the...awful rsoul who has only skimmed lol ><

So this is her breadcrumbs to an engineer role. So it's 100% sure she has this kind of role and didn't invent in reaction to stutters flip. So she's kinda confirmed town I think
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