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Tictock
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On March 04 2016 05:55 sandroba wrote: koshi why are you angry and want to throw the game? Do you realise I was trying very hard to find the last mafia? I'm just playing the game here, it's unfortunate kush posted something he wasn't suppose to and I'm sorry if I somehow made him act recklessly. Truth is I feel like I'm the only one digging up stuff and if you guys were putting in the effort in the first place this wouldn't be so hard. This really isn't true, and you know it, plenty of people including Kush and Shape were doing more digging and making more effort to put things together than you have. You have been jumping from one team to another calling them scum for very flimsy reason, and not doing much back-checking to confirm or deny. I see no effort from you to look for which teams are town, I just see you trying to push teams as mafia. You also never even showed any signs of being happy that your D1 read on Damdred was right. It seemed like you already knew he was scum and had no reaction to his flip. You even said in the brief D2 we had that you thought he was scum, but needed to be sure. Yet when the flip came you just reacted to the fast night, not his flip. | ||
Tictock
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I'm pretty sure it's Team Innocent though. | ||
Koshi
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VisceraEyes
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Felkyr
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On March 04 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote: TT. Do you have real reasons for VE to be town? I want to know this too. VE you are going to be lynched so if you're town please tell me why and who is scum. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 03 2016 10:07 sandroba wrote: Well I we have no other claims we have no choice but to believe him. Maybe mafia's plan is to entice a possible parity cop into coming foward and possibly lynching team cow? On March 03 2016 10:30 sandroba wrote: Damdred isn't up for consideration, dunno why TT wrote that theory. Like IF some parity cop ends up flipping we CAN think about damdred being mafia. Otherwise treat him as confirmed. Sand was certain that there was a cop out there and trying to get them to claim so he could lynch Damdred. Only reason Town would even think of talking about a cop at that point is if they were one, and they would NEVER say that a cop claiming is grounds to reexamine Damdreds claim, kus it's totally possible town has both. Sand knew town did not kus he knew Damdred's claim was fake, thats why he kept talking about a cop. Mafia at this point in the game were dead sure that a Cop was the only role town could possibly have. | ||
Tictock
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On March 03 2016 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote: LAAAAAAAAAAAWL REKTUUUUUUUUUUU On March 03 2016 18:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean tough break scum. These look like legit reactions. On March 03 2016 20:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh and this kinda goes without saying, but TT needs to dump everything in the thread, not just mindlessly tunnel sandroba this night. Not the sort of thing I'd expect from mafia when I'm basically just pushing a free Mislynch for him. Ok for real I have to leave. | ||
Felkyr
United States135 Posts
On March 01 2016 15:28 Tictock wrote: So I'm not feeling like I have any solid townreads this game. I'm leaning town on Damdred, Kush, Koshi and Rels... mostly kus I feel like they are doing things with purpose and reason, that purpose being to move the game forward. a little less on Marv, but I can take the wait and see approach with him for now I'd like to see a little more from the "newbies" not only for the purposes of reading but also because you guys will get more out of playing actually doing stuff yourself then hiding behind your "vet" player. This includes my own partner ^.^ Having said that, I'm reading Team Innocent as scum with Team OMGUS as the most likely 2nd scum. Team Innocent: Careful, these spoilers are WoT status. Sandroba: This guy's open felt off to me right from the start. I mostly ignored it at the time kus i wanted to see what he would do given some time. + Show Spoiler + Pinged my interest right off with this: On February 29 2016 10:14 sandroba wrote: yo damdred. How do you think we should deal with people that claim blue right before they get lynched? This is such an odd question right off the bat. It looks like sand saw Damdred post, decided to ask him a question, and then thought up a good question to ask. I see no reason for a towny to be worried about how a blue should claim in the first 5 min of the game. The followups from this suggest no actual opinions or thoughts about the game from sand. It's pretty telling that Sand wanted to ask about blues claiming (something mafia cares about more than town should) with Damdred, but had no thoughts on how best to approach reading pairs of people (something town SHOULD care about a lot) On February 29 2016 10:30 sandroba wrote: Had not put much thought into that, but I believe it's optimal to lynch the person we believe the most is mafia should be lynched regarless of how the teamate is behaving. This is also a pretty scummy answer imo, and it's exactly what his partner had been doing, focusing one person. I think we have to consider each team as a slot, and town needs to win by lynching the 2 scum slots. There is no reason to discount half of the info we have on on a slot because one person seems like an easier read than the other. This post is an example of something I tried to call Kita out for in the PyP game, I'm gunna call it "The Red Perspective" or thinking with a mafia mindset. This was in response to Kush asking "why not consider both players" On February 29 2016 11:02 sandroba wrote: Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline. Ofc, both alignments know that Scum want to look like town, but look at the bold. This is not a town mindset at all, this is sand just reversing his scum mindset, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Why? Kus mafia want to look like town, but town want to Solve the Game! So this reasoning is not only flawed but it's flawed because Sand is not looking at the game from a townmindset. This also stuck out as odd to me. On March 01 2016 05:29 sandroba wrote: Ask and you shall recieve. Cow just made it to my number one suspect based on this post alone. On March 01 2016 05:39 sandroba wrote: His post sounds fake as shit. Says he can't understand the "philosophy" of the thread (w/e that means) and it's mostly filler discussion right when the game is starting to pick up, and his post itselft is filler with no reasoning for anything or any new ideas. The comentary on the meta ignores the fact we are questioning the player who made said meta and dismisses it for no reason. Pretty much as generic filler fake post as you can get. Doesn't sound like a townie interested in people's alignments at all. This completly ignores that Cow is pretty clearly a newbie player and personally I find this explanation pumped up unneccesarily. Was Cow's post filled with tons of reads and great reasoning? No, but it was commenting on the important stuff going on with his opinion and thoughts. I find the bolded line especially forced here, this doesn't look like a read to me at all. It looks like a hastily made and forced read. Sand isn't trying to think about Cow being scum or Town here, he's jumping at something going "look at this scummy thing! lets kill it!" On March 01 2016 06:13 sandroba wrote: Quite an arduous job to read without the filter function, but from the town game I read from him his tone is more inquisitive / tentative / hedging his bets as opposed to more assertive in his mafia game. I gather that Cow and qop played together a bit so Cow sheeping qop's sentinel read does not look as fake as I had thoght. Still, his overall tone looks more in line with his mafia game. Lol points for the big word to make us feel the pain of reading a game without a filter. Also what is this trying to use meta based on 1 post? This was after discussing how VE's use of meta was questionable... He also "gathers" that his partner has played with Cow before, but hasn't spoken to him about their reads? Didn't qod suggest there was nothing scummy about cow based on his own esperience? I just find this whole read really weird. On March 01 2016 11:43 sandroba wrote: Damdy all your post did nothing at all to the game, just took up space =/. And your partner is scummy as shit. Can you provide some amazing insight? On March 01 2016 11:54 sandroba wrote: Damdy, I might be biased here, but the qob town read I believe is pretty obvious. Not saying FF is town, but is that your best hint at a mafia this game? Idk this feels weird to me, like he's accusing Damdred of being scummy kus he thinks Cow is scummy. Worst of all he ignored my question to him. On March 01 2016 08:04 Tictock wrote: Since you seem fairly convinced Cow is scum. What do you think of Damdred's posting? What did you get from your questions to him at the start of the game? qod: This guy is like a little firecracker. I would kinda like him but I think he's going about stuff in a really scummy way. + Show Spoiler + On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote: I dont like Sentinel. I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff. Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke. They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going. If they arent scum then pls improve. Funny that he missed FF and UN being partners... idk about this read either I also legit have no idea what he could possibly mean by the bolded line here. UN has literally no mention of qod until he responds to THIS post... also prior to this qod had literally only posted "hello" On February 29 2016 23:55 qob wrote: @Shape it wasnt his joke, it was his "advice" that makes me susp. If this is true, then why didn't you mention that until here? This looks like qob is just confused as to who he is talking about... On March 01 2016 01:28 qob wrote: please read this That is the post Is is Shape or Sentinal you are reading dude? On March 01 2016 01:47 qob wrote: Sandroba's entry post? Like, for the thread or the game? No im focusing on Sentinel rn, not this FF person. But... you just... And you were even responding to shape before telling him you didn't like sentinal's post? I'm really confused here now. But here he knows he's talking to two differen't people. On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote: What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. On March 01 2016 05:35 qob wrote: They were serious? Many times yes, i know my way around things do not worry. On March 01 2016 05:36 qob wrote: Unlike my partner Team Anal Prolapse is still my main suspect. Unfunny team name might i add. Like if this was all of qod's filter I'd ask if he's sure he isn't mixing up players here, but given his fighting and pushing with Sentinel later on I can only conclude that he's sure about Sentinel. Yet his whole read on sentinal makes no sense, I can only conclude this is a fake read and the hyper focus on one person is just a tactic to appear engaged and that you believe your read. The problem is, I can't believe Qob's read when I look at it so I find his over-aggression very misplaced and likely fabricated. Team OMGUS: Ok I actually spent a fair bit of time on the last team read I did, so skimping on this one a bit. VE: Jumped all over my obvious trolling at the start of the game by trying to pull out meta on me being scum. Gut read is that he is scum glad to have something easy to push right off the bat. Actually my read on VE is a lot of what I'm talking about in this post #405. Which he didn't really respond to and instead posted this: Which basically is him defending his meta, and then admitting it might be wrong, and then refusing to come to any conclusions but lightly hinting at Rels possibly being scum. So basically VE had made a ton of adue about nothing. bumatlarge I realize bum was playing his heart out (I mean I'd assume so I'm not really following it) in the other game trying to not get lynches as scum so him being mostly inactive is pretty NAI. I do however find his attitude somewhat scummy: There is just a theme of excuses and not wanting to be here in bum's filter. I get being distracted, but this feels much more like burnt out scum to me, making excuses to not do anything. It's pretty much exactly how I'd be trying to play if I'd rolled scum this game after having just been lynched as scum the other day. On March 01 2016 16:51 sandroba wrote: This whole thing is total twisted garbage. I'm going to adress it either way because I'm actually disturbed by how bad this actually is: 1) I asked setup related stuff to damdred: Very start of the game, nothing else to talk about, let's try to interact with someone while having nothing relevant to talk about besides setup. With Open setups dealing with claims and ccs is very relevant to any decent town player. 2) I admit that at the very start of the game I had not thought about something, then provide pretty good and unique perspective on the matter in my opinion. The conclusions he draws from this are very much distorted from what I actually said. 3) "Because mafia is trying to pretend they are town, while town isn't trying to pretend they are mafia. Oversimplified pehaps, but still should be a good guideline." This is factual, and the reason I believe that if we think one of the players in a team are very likely scum we lynch the team no matter how well his partner is playing. Trying to distort this into fitting a scum mindset mold is disingenous. Again the conclusions you draw from this have absolutely nothing to do with what was said. 4) TheCow mini analysis posted by me: If you simply read any of thecow's post you would conclude (based on lingo and assertiveness) that he has some forum mafia experience under his belt and isn't a clearly newbie player. I do use meta quite often, yes, and it has nothing to do with VE bad usage of meta that I dig up myself which you forgot to mention in your analysis. I guess the stuff you were not able to twist is not worth talking about, right? 5) Me trying to get a read off Damdred, who is partner with someone I'm suspicious of, is supposed to make me scum too huh? And regarding your question I did ignore it becuase I thought it was stupid, since obviously I got no read off damdred on the very begining and was only trying to get the game started. And about qob he is like the shinning beacon of towniness giving no shits about anything and saying what he pleases. Now regarding you I need to chill for a bit and decide what I think about this. I'm finding it hard to believe that you really believe what you are saying. On March 01 2016 17:24 Koshi wrote: Ticktock is a bit craycray. But on the other hand he was right somewhere D7 in a game once so his craycrayness leads somewhere. This game he is full craycray. But very likely town. | ||
sandroba
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On March 04 2016 06:42 Tictock wrote: Shortest, sweetest way I can try to make my point. Probably my last post. Sand was certain that there was a cop out there and trying to get them to claim so he could lynch Damdred. Only reason Town would even think of talking about a cop at that point is if they were one, and they would NEVER say that a cop claiming is grounds to reexamine Damdreds claim, kus it's totally possible town has both. Sand knew town did not kus he knew Damdred's claim was fake, thats why he kept talking about a cop. Mafia at this point in the game were dead sure that a Cop was the only role town could possibly have. The fucking capitalized IF for sure demonstrates certainty. | ||
Felkyr
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qob
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Honestly no, he is a very crazy player. He has linked his mafiascum games, and i've linked some of his Town of Salem games if you want to look for yourself. I cant say im surprised he is mafia, but that was more from his teammate + Sandroba explaining things in qt. He is a pretty logical player, and from someone who knows him pretty decently (just as friends) I would say he is more likely to TR his team mate heavily than bus heavily. However this is not saying i think he would do one or the other, im not trying to fence-sit here or anything, its just how cow is a player and as someone I know. Sad to see him play like ass, i know he has potential. | ||
qob
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so I see no reason to not trust my gut on koshi anymore, if he outplayed me then gg best player on TL. | ||
qob
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bumatlarge/VisceraEyes As Team Official Mafia Gaunlet for Underachieving Scum FecalFeast/[UoN]Sentinel As Team Anal Prolapse sandroba/qob As Team Innoncent Koshi/Felkyr As Team Koshi™ So its like 4town 1scum? If i am not mistaken? (Is 3town 2scum still possible) | ||
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