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Maybe I won't roll mafia this game and I'll be doing legit tinfoil with ya. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:22 rsoultin wrote: /in playing my low post-count (i.e. lazy) way ^^ Something tells me this might not last. | ||
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On February 12 2016 09:50 disformation wrote: I just wanted to jump at the opportunity to post this semi relevant image. =/ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pX0IwYn.jpg) | ||
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Kinda meh about Trfel's open but it's prob NAI. SL starting off with a whole paragraph that says a lot of nothing is about the only interesting thing I see going on. | ||
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Not really what I'm used to from SL. Kinda felt like he was posting just to post as well, but it is the first page of the game. | ||
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Gunna eat, but I'm around. Palmar why does that post make Bre scum to you? | ||
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I know nothing about this flavor though, some kinda JRPG? | ||
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Not a fan of the rest of the role speculation though. | ||
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I'm relatively new around here (~10 games in the last 6 months), but I think you and Mderg are the only people in this game I haven't played with before. Oh Tumblewood is a new name for me as well. | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:31 Shapelog wrote: thanks I need that back door....Mines broken Humm, are you burnt-out after pulling out the win for your last mafia team? | ||
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Course even knowing that it's a holiday, my dumb ass tried to walk over to the bank earlier and got all there way there before I realized my mistake... I need to cash/deposit these checks so I can buy more drugs! | ||
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One of those posts I really like, but I'm gunna hold off to see some more reactions. | ||
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LIES! AND YOUR NOT READING THE GAME KUS I SAID I WORKED EARLIER!!! EASY MAFIA GUYS!!! + Show Spoiler + Actually I had to work still kus 2 jobs...I normally tutor in the afternoons | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote: I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol. But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke). In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming. Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game? This is pretty much what I've been thinking as well. If anyone cares... + Show Spoiler [Post I liked] + On February 16 2016 08:55 Trfel wrote: I would really like to know what Palmar finds suspicious about Breshke, I'm not seeing anything near a 100% suspicion. That said, Breshke... What do you think about sicklucker so far? Particularly his first post, since it drew a lot of attention, but you didn't comment on it. Anyway, I do feel that Palmar is very likely to be town because of meta. As mafia, Palmar doesn't push people in this way. And yes, I still feel comfortable with this read even before seeing the reasons or the followup. This is a really towny post IMO. Trfel is throwing out an odd townread on someone who is kinda playing like lynchbait (and even backs up the meta-read fairly well in a followup post) while questioning their reads and trying to get further reaction from Bre. Cool, that's like 4 townreads right there. Ezy Game. | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:42 Shapelog wrote: Duh, Do i look like i care? I am just scum trying to buddy you. + Show Spoiler + Or Am i Town and just Skimmed?+ Show Spoiler + Or providing you with Tinfoil?+ Show Spoiler + Or baiting you? Wait, you can't be scum buddying me, kus I'm scum trying to buddy you! + Show Spoiler + Or am I Town trying to get reactions off ya?+ Show Spoiler + Or maybe I'm counter-foiling your tinfoil+ Show Spoiler + Or I'm just screwing with you+ Show Spoiler + Maybe I just drank too much coffee today...+ Show Spoiler + Nah, 8 shots is never too much | ||
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It sounded like you were talking about this game in particular, but ok... | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:51 Shapelog wrote: I need to See if my Tinfoil Buddy is my scum buddy or my town buddy. Wut is your Favorite color of a Bomb Pop to eat TT? Wtf is a Bomb Pop? Blue is generally the best flavor though. | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:53 Eden1892 wrote: Which is the fourth? (presuming you're referring to me/Trfel/Shapelog based on your post for three of them) Palmar, though I'm mostly trusting in Trfel's meta read on him. Personally I was holding off trying to read Palmar till he'd posted more. | ||
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Ohh those things. Not gunna lie, I like me a little red nub every once and awhile. | ||
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So I'm just gunna take that as a sign that it's time to take a break, and hopefully have more to read after my Raid. Oh also there was some thought about how almost everyone has posted (everyone but GB, impressive) but there has been no miller claims. So I think it's a safe assumption there are none? | ||
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nooniansoong The Shining mderg GlowingBear These are the people who need to post more. Rsoul is someone I have no idea how to read. Besides Outlaw have we played together before? I might only know her via Co-hosting. | ||
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Who do you think is trying to build themselves towncred? You and Shape were just on a mafia team together, do you have any insights into his alignment? Maybe you could try to talk about stuff like that rather than complain that the day is boring. | ||
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On February 16 2016 16:16 Tumblewood wrote: Trfel and Eden are town because mafia are usually afraid to get into a heated argument. I think everyone besides those two who has been active is making little town cred posts without substance. Shape was spammy as all hell last game. Is that just normal though? Maybe. Tictock, what do you think of Trfel and Eden arguing? Well I was thinking they were both town before they got into it, so I kinda just skimmed some of their exchange. The only thing that felt a little odd to me about the whole thing was I thought Trfel's case on Eden was a touch... premature? Like I see what he was getting at but it was also super early in the game to try and make a case like that. It might be a bit odd, but I think if Trfel had tabled that thought until today and saw Eden still being disengaged or w/e then the case would carry a lot more weight. I still think that other post from Trfel I quoted earlier is evidence of towny thinking, though I'm realizing today I didn't really account for the possibility of a Trfel/Palmar team. Not going to indulge that tinfoil today though. My read on Eden isn't that strong but my gut is telling me he is probably town as well. | ||
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On February 16 2016 22:31 Shapelog wrote: Ok I have Insight on Tumbledore. Going in for the read. + Show Spoiler [Insightful posts] + On February 16 2016 06:04 Tumblewood wrote: Scumreading Trfel pretty hard right now tbh On February 16 2016 15:46 Tumblewood wrote: This D1 sucks. Nothing very significant has happened except Trfel and Eden arguing and getting nowhere, except for all that nice town cred people are building for themselves. On February 16 2016 16:16 Tumblewood wrote: Trfel and Eden are town because mafia are usually afraid to get into a heated argument. I think everyone besides those two who has been active is making little town cred posts without substance. Shape was spammy as all hell last game. Is that just normal though? Maybe. Tictock, what do you think of Trfel and Eden arguing? Ok so this might seem really Meh. In fact it is Meh. But it is very different then Scum!Tumble intro post in the last Newbie. In the last newbie, as my scum partner, he opened up with a big read (note that he threw slug at me). His posts there out were also big posts. He also was like a gopher on groundhog day, he pop his head out, answer points about him being scum, then leave about 60% of the time. Other 40% was him pushing his scum reads. IF he was scum, he would have a scum read and take advantage of the situation between Eden and Trofl. + Show Spoiler [Or Tinfoil] + Slight chance that he is scum and someone like trofl or Etc. is a scum partner. I would feel fine giving Tumble a slight town lean ftm. Humm, this isn't terribly convincing. Maybe you could share the posts from the other game so we can see what's so different? Though tbh I'm not sure a slight change in posting style from one game to another means much about alignment. | ||
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Palmar can you expand on why you think Trfel's read on you is TMI? Did you think his meta-read and explanation was bad.inaccurate. | ||
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On February 17 2016 01:45 nooniansoong wrote: Just because your name is boldified in red doesn't mean I think you're scum. Fairly confused by this, what was your reason for putting his name is bold red then? Especially since the words underneath the bold, red PALMAR seem to indicate that you don't think he's town. | ||
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On February 17 2016 01:57 GlowingBear wrote: Gonna read stuff in a second Where did you go? | ||
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Doing a poker night tonight but I should be around after that. | ||
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On February 17 2016 08:41 nooniansoong wrote: Underwhelming post from breshke You have yet to whelm me btw. Actually I think I forgot to respond to something from you... On February 17 2016 05:57 nooniansoong wrote: Shape didn't meant for it to be terribly convincing. He made that abundantly clear. So why are you misrepresenting the strength of shape's read? How am I misrepresenting it? I'm basically agreeing that it's not very strong and asked him to provide the posts he is referring to from their last game so I could more clearly see what he is talking about. | ||
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Not only do I think he is approaching things from a very neutral viewpoint (he is looking at both town and mafia modivations) but I'm actually just enjoying his style of posting. It's really clear and easy for me to follow his lines of thinking. | ||
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On February 17 2016 09:23 Tumblewood wrote: Trying to move the game forward, but most people don't even have a page of filter to use. It's hard to town/scum read anyone besides Trfel and Eden. Really I'm just concerned that scum will win because town lacks information and doesn't seek any. It's so amusing that you do not see the massive irony of making this post when you've done so little this game. Like you've only commented on Trfel and Eden being likely town kus you don't think mafia are willing to fight and then keep complaining about the game being dull. | ||
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I was thinking on the bus back from tutoring that Tumble and GB might actually be town. For GB it's really only based on his recent town meta of being pretty disconnected and inactive (See his filters in Pick Your Power and Haunted Mansion, do note that in HM he was far more active D1 than any of the following days). Compared to his last scum game Outlaw where he put much more effort into being active to support his team and be disruptive. I wouldn't give him a pass for this, but I think I'm leaning town on GB for now. I'd still like to see him actually post something relevant to the game though. Tumble made this post which I'm not sure mafia would make. On February 17 2016 02:14 Tumblewood wrote: Shapelog, why are you trying so hard to make reads based off of little evidence? Like your meta-read on me based off of one game Pretty ballsy move to attack someone who just played with you as mafia, and is town reading you for it, if you are mafia. Both of these are pretty weak, but I'm not seeing any mafia motivation in what they are doing. | ||
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On February 17 2016 10:35 Breshke wrote: TT have you played much with SL since that game we were mason buddies and what are your thoughts on him this game? I've played with him a couple of times recently, and have been able to read him as town fairly easily in both of them (maybe that's not true, I forgot when I made up my mind that he was town in PyP). This game I'm scratching my head a bit more. I was leaning scum on him a little based on the early game, but I'm a bit less sure now. Like the dear diary stuff didn't go anywhere but lead to a few dumbtells about him thinking Jat was in the game and such. I'll need to glance at his filter (would do it now but about to do stuff with roommates) and I'll try and get a better read on him. Sorry, that's probably not a very good answer, but it's what I got atm. | ||
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On February 17 2016 10:58 nooniansoong wrote: Lol tt that town read on gb makes no sense Do you have a read on him? Iirc I was getting mafia vibes from him in Outlaw D1, but before I was lynched I had changed my mind and thought he was town. Also I was SUPER sure he was mafia in Haunted Mansion, but he was town. So my read accuracy for GB is admittedly shit. | ||
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I feel like I've narrowed down my options, and am pretty happy with my townreads atm, so even though I don't have any strong scum reads I think we have a solid chance and getting scum today. | ||
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On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote: ehh I have a problem with these two posts. the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape This is actually a really good point. I thought that tinfoil was off, but I was thinking more because it was silly to keep talking about the miller stuff when nobody claimed. Also if Eden was mafia I'd imagine he would have just claimed Miller himself and let us sort out that they are in fact aware. + Show Spoiler + ok actually I have no idea if Eden would do that as scum (never played with the guy/gal before), but I'm pretty sure I would have Ugh, I didn't want to have to go look at Shapes mafia filter, but I'm getting the feeling I may need to. | ||
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On February 17 2016 11:33 rsoultin wrote: pfft i'm not lynching breshke because when he's a good devil's advocate and looking at everything from all sides he pretty much invariably is town -beats with a wet noodle- palmar having different reads from me is not related to why i'm reading anyone the way i am; we're just both tone-type players and i've noticed that our reads have been converging more and more as time goes on, even if for different reasons tbf though usually when we're both town and we differ he's right >> bastard This is prob the first thing I've seen from Rsoul that I totally agree with. The town!Bre that I know is never on the frontlines directing town and pushing the game forward, he's more the quite thoughtful guy in the corner who catches stuff that gets overlooked. His activity and the fact that he tends to post small snippets rather than huge cases and reads often makes it hard for people to read him. Every post I've seen from Bre this game looks like town!Bre to me. Asking questions with purpose, pointing out stuff that others miss (like the last post of his I quoted), and he's showing efforts at solving the game. | ||
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On February 17 2016 11:40 sicklucker wrote: you think hes town right? nothing new me and everyone aparently does Why do you think shape is town? I remember you declaring it before, but I didn't really see why. | ||
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On February 17 2016 12:00 sicklucker wrote: Trefel your a pretty cool guy and the only one who even voted anyone AT ALL besides me and maybe kush. You two are likely to be town for that i think. I mean ive never been in a game where no one at all voted tho so i donno.. I may not be doing much but I at least voted early for information to you konw.. + Show Spoiler + play mafia I've never understood why there is this idea that people should vote early and often. Like i get the idea behind pressure votes but especially D1 votes are usually a hodgepodge with everyone being all over the place until the last couple hours. Well for me personally I find I tend to play better when I'm not trying to drop a vote with the first decent looking case that is brought up and instead focus a little more on my reads. Again, this is moreso in regards to D1-2. Later in the game it's easier and probably better to get the ball rolling with votes since there is already plenty to go on. Sorry, /rant I'd like to know what(if any) info you got from your vote SL. | ||
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On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote: can we lynch shape? -bats lashes at- alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol Didn't you suggest GB play even though he said he was going to have issues with time this game? Although now that I think about it, if GB's play thus far is any indication of how he will continue to play he might not be a terrible Plynch even if he does flip town. | ||
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On February 17 2016 13:02 The Shining wrote: Hello. Phone post. I was townread? By who? I just got home and have a few hours to kill before bedtime, stuff I will do. Impressed you will be. I do like how Trfel brings up my Monday/Tuesday meta excuse but then starts pushing me because I made a few posts after realizing this game started, then went to live life. Seems counter intuitive to bring it up, call it NAI, then push it because I'm not here on days I'm known to not be here. OMG Scum claim right there. Implying that life is more important than this game... | ||
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On February 17 2016 13:58 Trfel wrote: First, I didn't call you useless  Second, if I were convinced you were scum, I'd be voting for you Third, smileys are great Fourth, please, go ahead and carry me, that would also be great Not quite as great as smileys, though  Fifth, you're misrepresenting my argument, and I've already said what I think about that But it's fine, since I don't have a very strong argument anyway, please feel free to do your own thing I suddenly feel like Disformation hacked your account. | ||
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Some solid reads in there, I'll prob reread this later on tonight as I run through filters. Both you and Palmar seem to forget that that in PyP it wasn't until D3 that I really started to push my scumreads (or reads in general). D1 I don't think I voted till ~3 hours left in the day and only had a scumread on Dis. I get where you are coming from about townreads being easier for scum, but I've been finding that getting even just one or two pretty solid townreads early on can be really useful. Kinda inspired by Damdred's play actually. | ||
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5) Breshke 6)nooniansoong 8) The Shining 9) Scott 11) Rsoultin 12GlowingBear 13) sicklucker Ok this was where I was at earlier, Shining's recent posts make me fairly convinced he is town, Bre and Tumble are also townleans for me. So that leaves me with.... 6)nooniansoong 9) Scott 11) Rsoultin 12GlowingBear 13) sicklucker Rsoul is pretty null to me, I see her mostly playing peacekeeper and her posting style makes it a bit hard to read her. Overall though she is pretty engaged and has been pretty open with sharing her thoughts so she's probably not a great lynch today. SL is kinda in the same boat for me, and I'm tempted to just put him on a back burner but I promised to filter dive him. So here I go... + Show Spoiler [FilterDive] + First 3 posts still feel off to me, but Rsoul pointed out that his early posts were probably in response to Trfel's open so that might explain the odd feels I'm getting. I'm actually not a fan at all of the vote on Eden. It looks really opportunistic to me, and the followup reasoning is pretty shit. On February 16 2016 09:07 sicklucker wrote: Edens never anything but vt or mafia with that post. I think are day one lynch is locked up see ya torm I also called this post out earlier because of the bolded, On February 16 2016 09:13 sicklucker wrote: because on a somewhat pointless day one if I suspect someone as being mafia and not a powerole I will target them always. I dont even have to be too sure its just always the safe play I actually shouldn't have dropped this point, kus SL was talking about THIS particular D1 being pointless in this post which doesn't really make sense. I'm kinda thinking this was just an excuse to leave his vote on Eden. This is kinda backed up by the fact that SL is now saying he was voting for information but got none since nobody else voted Eden. I do sorta agree with SL about the setup speculation point. It's more beneficial to mafia than town imo, least in a semi-open setup like this. This read progression looks odd to me as well. On February 17 2016 07:10 sicklucker wrote: shapelogs town. im sure its my only read of the game. and maybe ticktock That first post is pretty confident, so what's making him unsure about me in the next post? Also this Shape read is outa nowhere. Another odd post, so far SL has only given reads on me and Shape, so this is his first mafia read but he doesn't want to push Rsoul kus she can spew herself town? On February 17 2016 10:40 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is giving me mafia vibes but I still wouldnt lynch her day one because like me she has a sick ability. Its called the spew yourself town ability its the best ability to have I'm not at all sure how SL came up with these names. I'd argue that GB, Kush and to a lesser extent Tumble have all been just as lackluster at this point in the game. On February 17 2016 11:45 sicklucker wrote: ya lets just lynch scott or shining. literally no one else should be up untill they participate There's a pretty good shot SL is scum here, he is playing the path of least resistance on the lynch today and the one scum read he seems to have he doesn't want to push. Neither Kush nor Scott have done much to warrant any townreads, but I also don't see much mafia motivation in their posts either. Kush is not as active as I've seen him in recent games, but that's not necessarily indicative of much. Been a long time since i played with Scott and his posts could come from either alignment. I don't know what to do about GB. On the one hand I think he could actually be town, but on the other I'm very unimpressed with what he has posted thus far. Policy lynch is an option. + Show Spoiler + Just to be clear I'm suggesting this because GB is clearly not making an effort to make himself readable this game, and if he is town I doubt he is going to be terribly helpful anyways So I think this all leaves me wanting to lynch SL, and possibly policy lynch GB. ##Vote: Sicklucker | ||
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On February 17 2016 17:27 sicklucker wrote: are we really gonna lynch the shining with the longest post in the game tho? rly? the shining? Yea seeing you post this but still jump on this wagon is also pretty opportunistic imo. Feeling good about my vote already. | ||
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Ofc would happen the day I get out of work late. Gunna try and skim and get caught in in the next 15 or so min. | ||
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On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever I don't follow this post at all... | ||
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What's the important stuff I missed? I see it looked like a wagon was forming on Shape but then broke apart suddenly, was there a claim? | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:38 Shapelog wrote: I claimed Blue, But have yet to state what blue role i am. for fear of giving mafia TMI about my role role. Ok. Who do you think we should be lynching today then? | ||
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@SL, you have no opinions on who is scum anymore? | ||
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Shapelog (1): Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, Palmar (3): GlowingBear(2): scott31337 (1): The Shining (1): Eden1892, Breshke(1): Palmar Trfel (0): Eden1892 (0): Scott31337 (2): Trfel, Breshke This is the most chaotic voting that I think I've even seen for a D1... | ||
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GB has made some more serious posts in the past few hours but I'm not really sure the content was really there. Palmar might not be a bad lynch he really has never made much of an impact nor has his push on Bre ever been explained. I could also flip scott kus he has a bad habit of rolling scum... | ||
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I felt like I was super useless that EoD, having a time crunch like that and being so far behind on reading sucks. | ||
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Palmar (4): scott31337 (4): GlowingBear(2): Breshke(1): Palmar Tumblewood (1): The Shining, nooniansoong (1): GlowinBear Trfel (0): Eden1892 (0): Sicklucker(0): The Shining (0): Shapelog (0): Not sure what to make of that neck and neck vote with scott, and tbh this is a terrible last vote to try to use VCA on. With the leading wagon only being 4 people it's pretty unlikely that all the mafia were there, and it's far more likely that they were spread all over. GB and Shining both trying to start shenannigans makes them more likely to be town kus mafia would prob be much happier to just pile onto the mislynch on Palmar. It's really hard for me to draw any conclusions about scott though. Like there was several pretty last min votes on Palmar, but I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure Eden is as well so that would only leave Tumble as possible scum trying to save his buddy. Idk the votes were all over the place, which might actually mean it was a town v town. | ||
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Pushing off doing things till tomorrow! I might still read if I don't pass out in the next 5 min | ||
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On February 18 2016 12:14 nooniansoong wrote: Probably Scott. I'm a believer in shooting inactive people. This is pretty scummy tbh. Kush, can you explain your other reads? | ||
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On February 18 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote: One Sentence Reads Tictock is town because overall, his play seems involved and has a definite direction, despite a weaker End of Day. Tumblewood is town because his posting style is much more carefree and conversational than his mafia game, and because he's putting in a lot of effort, as shown by his written notes. Breshke is town because he didn't kill Palmar, despite Palmar having a strong suspicion of him, and he's been sharing sensible thoughts. Nooniansoong is maybe mafia because of his lack of caring about the lynch (being willing to lynch Palmar while townreading him), and his GlowingBear read doesn't feel genuine. The Shining is maybe mafia because he can't possibly think that Tumblewood is mafia after those pictures that Tumblewood posted. Eden1892 is town because he got angry early on in a really towny way. Rsoultin is town because she didn't lynch Palmar, despite having plenty of justification to do so, and for a relatively large post count, despite saying she'd be lazy. Any comments are more than welcome. I'm fairly confident in the town reads, not so confident on the scum reads, largely no opinion on people not on the list. Setting Aside that I love this idea. Also GB's light-saber pic is making me giggle. I don't use that term lightly... | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:17 Shapelog wrote: Also for TT, Here are his (tumble) 1st few posts: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix?user=Tumblewood - his, 2 page filter 1st few posts, On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote: Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog My reasoning on Shapelog: Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: and In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote: I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote: I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post. First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread. PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that. Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped) The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me. Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense. Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read. MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then. And everyone else I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending. JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours. Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two. Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of. TL;DR I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players. Very different approach then from here. Ok wow that is a big difference... actually huge. But...If Tumble was scum in both games, do you think he would play the same way? Given how EoD went, the notes, etc... what is your current read on Tumble? | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:57 sicklucker wrote: I made all these posts and people are probably still trying to lynch me. I expect to return to the thread later dead one way or the other. gl with that I have no time today Eeew, I hate this. SL you need to actually contribute if you are town, this is a pile of garage. I guess you did come back for EoD but you'd do that as either alignment. | ||
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On February 18 2016 00:49 rsoultin wrote: ticktock, i find your read on me very confusing in your world being pretty open and sharing thoughts is null? and why are you using so many of my points/reads/thoughts to clarify your read on sl if you think i'm null? -_- Uhh if I remember this right I said I find you very hard to read and so don't have a real opinion. Your activity is nice, but it's not really indicative imo. I guess I actually agreed with SL, I just didn't understand the way he phrased it. You could be either town or mafia, but you'll at least give us plenty to read you on. I'm not sure what points of yours I was using... if I stole them you can have them back... | ||
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On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever I think I pointed this post out earlier when I was skimming, but this is really wierd. Trfel can you explain to me what you were thinking behind this vote on Shape? | ||
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On February 18 2016 06:23 Breshke wrote: do you think scott is scum then? Cos if scott is town then wouldnt mafia not care who they voted and just vote wherever Town v Town is the most likely explanation for a chaotic EoD like that. Mafia prob doesn't care and is all over the place. Off wagon votes are more likely to be mafia, but there is almost always 1 on the main wagons. There is of course room for... + Show Spoiler [TINFOIL!] + Caution: Tinfoil Alert! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CMgPRC4.jpg) If Scott was AFK mafia, who replaced into a slot that had done nothing already, would his team maybe try to buss him for some easy cred? I'd need to read all the pages I skipped over earlier but the way EoD went from the vote counts was a wagon was building up on Shape, he claims blue, the wagon fractures off into Palmar v Scott and a little bit all over tbh. If Shape is town (and actually even if he is mafia fake claiming to get votes off him) then mafia were probably scrambling to push a solid mislynch after that wagon broke down. Ok yea I can't actually do more till I read how things went down... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r3POkwV.jpg) So here is how the Shape wagon piled up. On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ i resent that, scott shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@ bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall Tonal read Rsoul has been pushing most of the game, seems legit. - On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever Trfel also later added this: Second, his Tumblewood is one of the reasons that he is mafia. I feel that the correct read on Tumblewood is clearly town because of post length. You look at his mafia game, and he provided fairly long posts. This game, his posts are short and conversational, more directly involved. This is a very distinct playstyle change, and gives a near 100% townread. I'm extremely confident in it. Shapelog said this, but wasn't very confident in it, and then switched this to a scum lean / could lynch because he completely misinterpreted Tumblewood's post, while sharing exactly the same problem (a bit lost with regards to reads) as Tumblewood did, that he was picking on in the first place. In addition, rsoultin feels that Shapelog's happiness is faked. And Shapelog is defending himself differently at different times. He went from "I can't be lynched Day 1, I have a streak of endgames going and I don't want to be mislynched on Day 1" to "if I get mislynched today, it's all my fault". This is still off to me, even with the backup explanation. This strong of a TR on Tumble based off meta Shape provided is really weird. If shape is mafia trying to setup a ML on Tumble, why would he bring up the discrepancy in Tumbles posting between the two games? - On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote: um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? On February 18 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##Unvote ##vote shapelog So you vote Shape for a joke? This is a hop on vote if I've ever seen one. A Convenient Vote Count Appears! Shapelog (3): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, GlowingBear(1): Palmar (1): scott31337 (1): The Shining (1): Eden1892, Breshke(1): Palmar Trfel (1): Shapelog Eden1892 (0): Not Voting (3): Tumblewood, Breshke, The Shining Kush's vote put Shape in the lead, but this vote is still anyone's guess. Look at all those solo voters! Given the state of the game here I also find Shapes defeated attitude odd, and Shining made a good point about this quote being really off. On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote: *Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/ Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town. I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use. Bonus Ironic post from SL: On February 18 2016 03:57 sicklucker wrote: anyway im in my favorite spot in mafia. where i know mafias pushing me and i just have to weed them out of the lolz towns. too bad i havent slept in 20 hours 2 People voting him, he has to "weed out" the mafia >.< Bre's vote on Shape looks pretty good to me. On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote: last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote Shapelog Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption? Shape's posts over the few pages he is talking about definitely warrants a read like this. I suppose this could come from Scum as well, but I think it's pretty likely town!Bre picking up on the same stuff Shining pointed out and I'm seeing as well. - This vote feels a little delayed... prob not a great way of putting it On February 18 2016 04:21 Tumblewood wrote: ##Vote: Shapelog On February 18 2016 03:19 Tumblewood wrote: I am seeing a lot of NSM XIX in Shape: lots of spam without lots of scumhunting, and lots of acting trolly. Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. - After this is when Shape claims blue. It seems like a legit claim to me, his reluctance to claim and the way he kinda doubts it being good afterword make me think it's good. It kinda reminds me of how I felt claiming GS in outlaw. I like Bre's reactions to the claim, he seems to be taking the new info in stride and doesn't jump onto something new right away. On February 18 2016 04:59 Breshke wrote: also he literally just said he didnt want to work out shape because he was an enigma, shape then claims blue and now he says he will risk it. Sl did claim blue also though - Ok I'm both getting tired and this turned into half me tinfoiling and half me catching up with stuff I didn't read or skimmed earlier. Kush was really quick to jump from Shape onto GB, most other people just unvoted. This is also a pretty weak fallback On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game. Maybe just lynch him? But this is even more interesting. On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Tumble had made this post earlier: On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote: No one's acting definitively scummy, so I'm going to POE this vote. The 'Do Not Lynch' List Eden, for putting a lot of effort into finding scum and moving the day along productively. Trfel, for similar reasons. Also, I stand by that mafia would not have gotten into an argument like that earlier in the game. Tictock, for making clear and useful points. The 'Bad Lynch' List Rsoul, for helping in a trolly manner. Palmar, for being overconfident and having huge changes of heart. Kush, but I don't know why. Breshke, for making clear and insightful points, though sparse. The 'Wait And See' List GB, Scott, and The Shining for showing up late. That leaves us SL and... other SL. I keep seeing things in sick's play that are scummy, but then you all assure me that those are just normal things for him. Sick's defense amounts to "don't lynch me because that's a bad idea / I'm an easy townread." Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. His main scumread is no longer a valid lynch, and now he's questioning his TR on Trfel for wanting to lynch someone he has no read on? Then Tumble ends up lynching Palmar, a "Bad Lynch" over Scott. On the one hand I agree that Palmar was the better lynch between the two, I checked both their filters before I voted Palmar and scott was easily the better looking filter. On the other that doesn't line up with the reads Tumble was putting out before EoD. In fact I'm kinda thinking the reads post I quoted above was mostly to justify the vote on Shape. Which was the read he put the most effort into explaining, yet it's also based on the same meta based reasoning he admonished Shape for using on him. When the Shape wagon fell apart Tumble didn't push his other scum read SL but instead held back expands his lynch options On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. and ends up voting in a way that could very well be trying to protect scott. Conclusions: Breshke is town, idk what Palmar was on about. Tumble is probably mafia, read progressions suggest an agenda because his main reads/poe list went out the window when his preferred lynch claimed blue. If Tumble flips red it's much more likely that scott is mafia, but not necessarily true. Trfel's strong TR on Tumble seems off to me, and it's also possible him being so sure Palmar was town was TMI like palmar suggested. Overall I'm still thinking Trfel is town because he seems to genuinely want to solve the game, but a lot of his reads just don't make sense to me. Kush is probably also Scum. Team of Tumble/Scott/Kush actually makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking Tumble is who we start with. Caution: This is a hidden WoT. What started as a tinfoil theory merged with my catching up with the pages I missed before EoD. This also took a lot out of me, may not do much more till next phase and see where we are at then. | ||
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Spent 2 hours of my afternoon with my shoulder out and basically totally unable to move my right arm. I've had this issue before but normal it's taken like half an hour for me to work it back into place, this was an intense to 2 hours. Still re-cooperating and trying to catchup, but looks like we have a vig who shot SL? | ||
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On February 19 2016 01:06 nooniansoong wrote: I had the ever slightest townlean for a bad reason which I am embarassed to share. If I was in the thread before EoD, I would have voted scott to save Palmar I think. At the time I left the thread to go do work, it wasn't a clear scott vs palmar decision. On February 19 2016 01:11 nooniansoong wrote: @shape, that list was formed by looking at the player list and eliminating people who I remember thinking were town. So I can't really give you reasons. It's a really terrible list that you can be sure will be revised and annotated at lunch probably. @trfel lol maybe that's why you should explain your townreads unless the person is up for lynch. This is a really bad trend in Kush's posts. It makes me think he has no real reads with these deflections, and then saying that his reads are bad is like he's denying any accountability for them. So it's like "here's my list, but it's prob bad so just ignore me!" Kush if you don't start giving us your thinking there is no chance I can believe you have real reads this game. | ||
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On February 19 2016 01:16 Shapelog wrote: Actually I might be Vig, And I might be shooting GB. + Show Spoiler + Or maybe i am just a vet+ Show Spoiler + or a cop+ Show Spoiler + or doc+ Show Spoiler + Nah I am just a miller...+ Show Spoiler + On February 17 2016 01:01 Shapelog wrote: Oh Millers are Aware, and says so on the OP.........I am a Idiot. Let me read my Role PM actually XD. On February 17 2016 01:16 Shapelog wrote: ...XD + Show Spoiler + OR is that a Lie?+ Show Spoiler + What if i am VT+ Show Spoiler + Or Scum?+ Show Spoiler + No too sad to be scum+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Are you still reading?+ Show Spoiler + Want to play a game?+ Show Spoiler + It called...+ Show Spoiler + SPAMMMMMM+ Show Spoiler + Sadly I did not buy enough Spam to share so fuck off+ Show Spoiler + I am warning you....+ Show Spoiler + I+ Show Spoiler + Am+ Show Spoiler + A + Show Spoiler + Evil+ Show Spoiler + Bear+ Show Spoiler + Who+ Show Spoiler + Will + Show Spoiler + Maw+ Show Spoiler + Off+ Show Spoiler + Your+ Show Spoiler + FACE!!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler + Actually I am a reversed Log/Geomantry joke+ Show Spoiler + Oh well+ Show Spoiler + Lol you should quote this, Be a nightmare+ Show Spoiler + Go AWAYYYYY+ Show Spoiler + I do not care that I am Blue and I am about to be NKed+ Show Spoiler + That is a lie, but You need to DIE+ Show Spoiler + PEW PEW+ Show Spoiler + Holy shit I have like 70 Spoiler tages right now...+ Show Spoiler + LEAVE ME ALONE!!+ Show Spoiler + @Kush, Explain to me why I should help you too+ Show Spoiler + Only a townie would read this far+ Show Spoiler + You should like totally if you are scum, try to get cred for reading this+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Are you gone yet?+ Show Spoiler + My hands hurt+ Show Spoiler + Want to play a DnD game and spam the thread+ Show Spoiler + SCUM, That is what you are if you said yes+ Show Spoiler + Or a Nerd, Pick your poison+ Show Spoiler + Did you hear that Donald Trump Bought Jeb Bush's Website, Whats up with that?+ Show Spoiler + Being a asshole+ Show Spoiler + Which is what you are!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler + Gotcha Ya, With theses Nuts+ Show Spoiler + Well Done, you deserve a Town Medal  Shape, as a friend. You need help. + Show Spoiler + What was Jeb's website called? | ||
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On February 19 2016 03:41 Shapelog wrote: Like it was focused a bit too much on tumble? B/c that was the feeling i got from it. You guys just don't understand how I post sometime I even put a warning on the thing | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:37 nooniansoong wrote: So apparently ticktock is leaning town on GB for inactivity. And later TT wants to possibly plynch GB for lack of activity . So TT, help me understand what is happening here. Essentially you want to lynch GB for exactly what makes you townlean him. I thought about it more, and a few people (Bre was one) pointed out that my townlean on him was for a fairly bad reason. I think at this point he had only drunk posted and then said he had a hangover, would read in a sec, and was gone for 6 hours... Felt like a fine Plynch. | ||
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On February 19 2016 05:56 Trfel wrote: I really don't know why people are scumreading Tumblewood so much. Is it for not doing anything? Or for voting Palmar? Aside from the vote on Palmar, Tumblewood play is a textbook case of new town imo. Very genuine and ot seems like he is really thinking about the game, plus a large amount of effort. The icing on the cake is that his play is so different from last game. What am I missing? The Cake is a Lie. | ||
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On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote: I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play. I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole. You pointed out yourself that scum would have preferred to lynch town!Palmar over town!Scott. Also I think the dynamics of the D1 lynch are wildly different if Scott is in fact not town. Most of my current read on Tumble is in that weird Tinfoil post I did earlier, since you asked about people who were scum reading him. I should probably make a cleaned up version of that since it was one of my train of thought posts. I'm also of the opinion that the notes tumble took pics of is actually the same sorta effort Shape was showing he made in his last scum game. It looks a lot different but it's basically a couple of mega posts with reads that look good. It's less impressive when you notice that he doesn't come to many conclusions and then his EoD voting suggested that he wasn't terribly concerned with his earlier PoE and reads. | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:05 GlowingBear wrote: I'm the vigi and I shot SL Can you tell me why in one sentance? | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:16 The Shining wrote: ##Vote: Glowingbear Uhh is this a CC? | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:35 The Shining wrote: I am Heat aka the vig. Breadcrumbs: Really surprised I lived through the night, I thought I was obvious. I shot Eden for big plays because I felt like he came off of me too easily and I was feeling cowboyish. It was a horrible shot in hindsight but he didn't seem connected or interested on anything besides me until the very last few posts, and I didn't want to second guess myself. This is also why I was hammering Shape saying he got no result. His result should've been me. The only way he gets no result is being roleblocked and there was so much talk of SL being blue that I figured that is why scum shot SL. Thing is, why would they risk shooting a possible blue in Vet SL while rbing Shape instead? That is a terrible reason for a terrible shot >.< This smells a little like TMI to me, Shape doesn't seem to think he was roleblocked so why do you? Idk breadcrumbs can be done by scum too, I just have a real hard time believing a Vig would shoot Eden of all people. | ||
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Immediately after this, The Shining votes for Tumblewood, and sicklucker switches to Tumblewood as well, but then switches back to Palmar. Tictock switches his vote to Palmar, which seems suspect. Then GlowingBear votes for nooniansoong. @Trfel why does my vote seem suspect? | ||
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On February 19 2016 10:56 nooniansoong wrote: TT, I'm just worried you did some dumb tinfoil because people think tinfoil is townie. I did say that shit discounting my reads but then I gave more solid reads. Why are you ignoring those? I guess I passed right over them... | ||
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GB why would you fake claim, the vote the person who counterclaimed you? But then that means Shining as town shot Eden? I guess scum shooting SL kus he hinted at being blue kinda makes sense... Idk this is really weird. | ||
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On February 19 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote: TT its weird what you are doing It's been a day man, and this business isn't helping. I think I'm gunna take a 30 from this and let my head clear a little. | ||
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Yolo plays is such a bad reason for that shot GB's play is just WTF. Which I think means I need to ignore it... Though I'll note these WTF feelings in later reads. I suggest we ignore anymore Blue stuff, and get back on track? | ||
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On February 19 2016 12:02 rsoultin wrote: you! i'm not sure how you don't get this...you proceed to call me null and then you use my reasoning and my reads to back up what you're saying about sl, which is pretty damn weird if you don't even have an opinion on my alignment it's like citing wikipedia for a paper Oh I'm not supposed to do that? Seriously where did I do this? Does the fact that I'm not sure about your alignment yet still read your posts mean something to you? + Show Spoiler [Hint] + Like right now, you are pestering me to talk about something you care about - Townpoints You insulate I'm stealing your reads or something somewhere, but refuse to backup where this happened - Scum points Simply put you are confusing, but not as interesting as some of the scummers | ||
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On February 19 2016 12:47 Trfel wrote: Anyway, I believe Tictock had some questions for me regarding my Tumblewood read? I've said all that I have to say about it, I really do think that he is town because that is by far the simplest explanation, and anything else is pure paranoia. Oh, and Tictock, I feel that your vote is suspicious because "I wanted to lynch Palmar because if he is scum, Trfel is scum too" feels like a really horrible reason to me. I guess I can see it coming from town, but it feels so fabricated, and a bit unrefined. I guess I thought it was widely acknowledged that lynching for information is not good, which is largely what this reason came down to, and I struggle a bit to see this come from experienced town. Back to my voting analysis, yay. Eh I think your stretching what happend if you think I voted Palmar kus I thought it would give info about your alignment. I made that comment more as an afterthought than as a reason why I voted Palmar. | ||
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On February 19 2016 12:27 rsoultin wrote: This post...it's in the spoiler most people probably didn't read cause ppl are awesome that way ^^ eh nvm it's actually prob nothing lol @.@ he accepts my interpretation of sl's first posts...for some reason i thought there was more in there than there was Glad you could clear this up for you! | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:51 Tictock wrote: Ugh I'm really torn here, SL's response to my push was decent. GB has made some more serious posts in the past few hours but I'm not really sure the content was really there. Palmar might not be a bad lynch he really has never made much of an impact nor has his push on Bre ever been explained. I could also flip scott kus he has a bad habit of rolling scum... Palmar looked like the best lynch. I didn't get your stuff on scott about his Bre read, and I didn't have a reason to scumread him. | ||
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I have issues with the way he pushed Shape yesturday. He basically said what I just told you to shape about trying to read him, then said Shape was playing a lot like he did as scum in the last game and voted him. I also thought his vote onto Palmar was pretty suspect since Palmar had been a "Bad lynch" in an earlier post. When the wagon on Shape fell apart he just settled with Palmar, or more accurately he denounced all the other wagons. On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote: I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar It doesn't add up. | ||
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On February 19 2016 21:06 nooniansoong wrote: I have a predicament. I did something that looks like TMI, and no one noticed it. I said this directly after EoN. How did i know that SL was the one that was NKed and not viged? I must be scum, right? The answer is that I didn't realize right away that one was viged. I was thinking they both got NKed. This feels weird. | ||
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On February 20 2016 03:40 The Shining wrote: Man my time restraints are really killing me. I hate not being able to play anymore. I also really feel like I should've shot Scott. Hosts need to stop giving me nk power. I don't understand why scum GB wouldn't fake claim there btw. It goes like this: GB has no useful contribution this game. GB posts pics. GB tunnels one person. GB goes under suspicion. GB claims vig. At best, he gets read as unCCd town vig if I don't cc him and rides that credit. At worst, he draws out the vig and goes 1-1. The reason scum would do this is if they can also confirm Shapes blue role, which happened. One scum for confirmation on two blue roles when that scum is already under suspicion is quite likely. As for GB drawing a shot, Shape was pretty much confirmed town after his claim. I started tinfoiling because I was under the assumption rbs were notified and he should've either known he was rbd or actually saw me shoot Eden. Blue Shape being rbd and living makes complete sense now. But once Shape claimed watcher, there was no reason for a townGB to think a vig who alrdy shot was going to soak a bullet as opposed to the watcher who arguably becomes stronger the longer he's alive. Especially since scum has no way of guaranteeing their rber doesn't get lynched today. Tldr why would GB think a vig who is basically named vt now would soak a shot over basically confirmed watcher Shape? He wouldn't. The fakeclaim is scummy. Can you elaborate on this part Shining? Kus Shape had already claimed, and it was pretty obv that one of the shots was a Vig. So wouldn't scum already have all the info they need? I agree his fakeclaim was pretty bad but I really don't see any gain for scum to make that play. Town makes pretty stupid fake claims sometimes, like Damdred fake CC'd my claim as GS in Outlaw kus he was convinced I was lying and was scum (I was in fact the GS). | ||
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On February 20 2016 06:43 rsoultin wrote: yup ![[image loading]](https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbgja6amUA1qb9nyp.gif) tangentially, if i ever meet this guy in person, i'm leaving you, lex >> ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LPsqold.jpg) Dam that's cold... | ||
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Was it all just a dream? Kus it's weird to me that Trfel sorta agreed with me but brushed it off and nobody else seems to care. | ||
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"Do not Lynch" speaks for itself, so why did Palmar become lynchable in Tumble's mind? After Shape claimed blue, what happened to his read on SL? Scott was down as a "wait and see" and hadn't done anything else since that post. So why would he say this, On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote: I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar when multiple (GB and Scott) of his "wait and see" people where also viable lynch's? + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not. He did sorta explain with this, but I don't buy it. I mean wasn't Palmar essentially being Plynched there as well? I also thought his read and vote onto Shape was weird and kinda opportunistic. Also yea, suggesting that me not responding right away is me ignoring you is an attack on my character, which is kinda scummy. | ||
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WTF have you done for town GB? Like it can't seriously be a surprise to you that people scumread for doing jack all for 2 days, but draw some pictures and fake claim. Same goes for Tumble. You guys come in and make useless posts >.< | ||
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Scott's post(yes singular) today: On February 20 2016 01:52 scott31337 wrote: So GB fakeclaimed - lovely - I think he's stirring the pot Shining looks legit I love how rsoul still wants me dead I had a dream last night she was mafia with Trfel and GB so it must be true He has a dream where he's caught the whole mafia team... sure. I guess at least we kinda know he's scumreading, though I kinda feel like he mighta been joking (idk). Tumble's posts today: On February 20 2016 09:52 Tumblewood wrote: I'm looking back through my notes and the main reason I was scumreading GB was his townreads on Shape. Now that Shape is blue claimed, I feel a little worse about that read. On February 20 2016 09:53 Tumblewood wrote: Never mind Scum can be correct for shitty reasons too These say nothing, he half-gives a read then takes it back. GB's Posts (ignoring the recent burst of activity, and Fake claim BS). On February 20 2016 13:42 GlowingBear wrote: Why am I scum? On February 20 2016 13:43 GlowingBear wrote: I've worked all day long and I came back to a thread sayinf that I'm scum for no fucking reason Really shitty posts. Getting all worked up over something he should full well understand/expect. My problem here is that unless the scum team is exactly these 3, we have some At least GB has started to provide some content to read him by, so I'll look at that more closely. Also can anyone think of a more recent towngame for GB than PyP and Haunted Mansion? I'm pretty sure Outlaw was the most recent scumgame from GB. | ||
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Ok apparently I forgot GB was in the Nutcraker game, starting with that one kus it's pretty recent and I was in that game (albeit as scum). + Show Spoiler + I'm seeing a lot of similarities in GB's play between the 2 games. One thing that jumps out is that GB made a very similar push on Kush in both games. On December 14 2015 22:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm voting Kush because he deserves it On December 16 2015 03:49 GlowingBear wrote: But to be fair I prefer kush to die today. For the reasons of I don't want to relive Avogadro's Number mini Mafia On December 16 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: Wow the vote count is horrendous Townies, if we keep the vote count this way, Madia can easy manipulate it If we are so torn apart we should vote someone who is at least a queation mark I'm driving. I suggest you all move to kush Overall I think things look pretty similar to this game, but GB did seem more interested in making reads in Nutcracker than in this game. When GB was getting lynched though he wasn't anywhere as emotional as he has been here. On December 16 2015 07:48 GlowingBear wrote: Oh I'm dying On December 16 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, I'm not Mafia. You're again doing the same mistake you did last game if you're town. And it's a shame you can't give me more time to prove myself even when I repeatedly said I would've been busy these days. He was also town in NSM XVIII which I think is his most recent town game. + Show Spoiler + This is a large filter and I wasn't in the game so I'm just skimming and then checking the end of his filter to how he reacted to being lynched. In general I notice a bit more of a carefree attitude from GB, he's giving thoughts and reads pretty freely and just seems kinda friendly when interacting with people. His reaction to being lynched in this game is markedly different than the others, biggest thing relevant to this game now... he's not very emotional even when being lynched. On January 07 2016 00:46 GlowingBear wrote: Well, lynch me today When I flip town lynch my scum reads They are Giygas/mderg/? Also remember what I said on NM before I'm getting ready to work and I'll be AFK during the entire day. I hope you guys do the right thing. If you don't, do NOT ignore my reads. On January 07 2016 00:47 GlowingBear wrote: Argh this post isn't good. Guys lynch me, I can't deal with this thing of not being able to decide if Kmatt is town or Mafia On January 07 2016 01:38 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm late for work, I gotta go I'm voting Giygas. I'm town. Do the right thing On January 07 2016 02:23 GlowingBear wrote: The only reason I'm not flipping out is because this is a newbie game lol Last town game I'm gunna look at is Haunted Mansion, note that he was rolled town that game even if the mechanics of the game caused him to become mafia-aligned after death. + Show Spoiler + Just for reference, I was in this game as town with town!GB and got super tunneled on him thinking he was the final member of the mafia team after we lynched mafia D2 and D3. Even after I died I left a last will that told people to lynch GB. This was some of his reactions that last day before he got mislynched and town lost the game. On December 09 2015 07:20 GlowingBear wrote: I won't repeat the reasons myself for why I'm town, if you wish to disregard my defense and lynch me GG and farewell, I don't have the patience to fight my lynch. On December 09 2015 13:21 GlowingBear wrote: Also, I'm not Mafia. Care to read what I write now that I am actually defending myself? On December 10 2015 21:45 GlowingBear wrote: I think I've brought enough points on OO and Chrome. I certainly am suspicious of Chrom especially because he is still alive at LYLO and didn't require a lynch on him before anyone else after two days of mislynches. In the other hand, I'd rather lose to mafia Chrome than lose to Mafia ObviousOne. So I'm voting him. On December 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote: I would try to survive but I'm working and I can't GG Wp scum Quite similar to the NSM game before this, again though very little emotional reaction to being lynched. And then the contrast check with a recent scum!GB game from Outlaw. + Show Spoiler + This is another game where GB has over 10pgs of filter, so I'm just focusing on the last page or two where he is getting lynched. On January 05 2016 00:26 GlowingBear wrote: I'll be reading the thread later and I'll give some inputs. On January 05 2016 06:46 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, why am I being votes? On January 05 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote: The only reason you guys have to vote me is my recent inactivity. Other than that, why am I scum? On January 05 2016 07:38 GlowingBear wrote: OWS could be scum There isn't any emotion but the similarities in how GB is asking why he is being scumread is rather uncanny to this game, also the first quote here is a lot like some of GB's posts D1 here. This Game: (Today in particular) First lets talk about that Fake claim I've been simmering on the back burner. + Show Spoiler [Relevant Posts] + On February 19 2016 08:05 GlowingBear wrote: I'm the vigi and I shot SL On February 19 2016 08:39 GlowingBear wrote: MY GOD SHINING YOU CAN'T BE THAT STUPID On February 19 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: ##vote: The Shining So while I will note that GB did not ACTUALLY vote for TS, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean that as either alignment it makes very little sense. If this is a fakeclaim from town!GB then why does he flip out and vote(fakevote?) Shining? He knows he's fakeclaiming and a CC is almost for sure going to be the real Vig, so either GB doesn't think Shining is a vig or he's flailing hard. If this is scum!GB why does he even bother to claim? Getting the real vig to claim means nothing for scum and Shape has already claimed his role. If he does claim, why backoff so fast? Like it was clear that Breshke and I were instantly more suspect of The Shining than GB so a scum!GB would have kept his claim and gone for the 1v1 right? Bah this is why I wanted to ignore this, kus it legit just doesn't make sense as either alignment. I guess I can almost believe GB was going to move to eat a bullet, especially kus if he was scum he would have known that SL was not the Vig shot. Now we have GB's more recent burst of activity and his anger over being scumread for his lackluster play. Overall I see that easily coming from either alignment, the anger does seem fake though as I think GB understands that being lynched is part of the game ans can self-evaluate his own play enough to understand why he is being scumread here. His reads list wasn't terrible though. On February 21 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: I've already gave my reads, the strongest read I had once was Eden being town and sicklucker and Kush being Mafia. I think Truffle is townie although his push on me is weird I think Tictock is townie for the way he is engaging the game. Shapelog is town. Shining is town. I don't know about Breshke, he sounds townish but he doesn't look very engaged to the thread. Sometimes he comes, comment things and disappears. I thought Kush was Mafia but I'm not sure anymore after reading his filter. He seems very engaged in finding scum especially on how he faces Tictock, so he might be town after all. I think Tumblewood could be Mafia out of PoE. Not really strong reasons against him because nothing stands out from his filter but his images, that can be easily done to get towncred. He has done nothing with those "lots of information" after he posted them, and some of them are distorted interpretation of what people say in thread. I think Rsoultin is Mafia because she can read me well and her flip on me doesn't make sense and is very opportunistic considering she is following thread sentiment. I have no idea about scott but I also don't understand his scum read on me which also feels very opportunistic considering I'm his counter wagon and he hasn't commented a single post from my filter Honestly the only problem I have with this post was that GB wasn't just freely sharing these reads, it was like he churned them out upon request. Conclusions: Fuck if I know, but GB has a pretty good chance of flipping red here, probably goon or shadow, or w/e. I only had the one scum game to look at so idk if he does bouts of fake emotion as scum, but there was a clear similarity in how GB is asking "Why am I scum" both in Outlaw and here, whereas in his town games he is more focused on his reads or is trying to convince people he is town. Maybe GB has just been playing this game with the idea of being too scummy to be scum and then decides to put in the effort for a few hours before EoD to try and wiggle the wagon off him. Seems like a pretty shit play as scum though... but I suppose it's even worse as town... Sigh, I swear GB if you are town here I will highly consider doing the unspeakable things I almost typed here. ##Vote: GlowingBear | ||
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Well I'll just go grab a drink for the ride I guess. | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:21 Shapelog wrote: Hey! I am trying to put this ship in a bottle. It is not my fault it is the weekend..... + Show Spoiler [Hint] + I think you are supposed to build the ship IN the bottle. Or you could try to build a bottle around the ship. + Show Spoiler + Oh wait that was probably a metaphor, huh? | ||
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Also why do I feel like you two are messing with my head? Pushing my main scumread right after I change my vote... + Show Spoiler + See? I didn't end with a question. + Show Spoiler + I did good didn't I?+ Show Spoiler + It's Over! | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:30 GlowingBear wrote: Btw I'm voting Tumblewood just in case Why not Rsoul since she seemed to be your main scumread in your last posts? | ||
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Though using my own thinking against me is Genius... | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:44 Tumblewood wrote: Saw GB's question on who's mafia if he isn't. Since just about everyone is on the wagon, I suppose I'd POE the scumteam to Scott/Breshke/Noonie (everyone else is very solidly on my town list). So do they seem more likely to be mafia than GB? Or was this simply all 10 people - GB, yourself, your teammates, and a lot of townies? | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:46 Tumblewood wrote: Scott, I saw that you voted... Why don't you, you know, also participate in the thread? On February 21 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote: Same goes for Breshke These are actually good posts... Ugh Tumble why do you show up 15 min before deadline and do this? | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:53 Shapelog wrote: We can try stuff but I think this is it mate. If you could describe yourself as an animal what would it be? If GB was a tree, what species would he be? | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:55 rsoultin wrote: ye i'll only move with trfel and/or bresh...i'm kinda here but not blame damdred lol >< our d&d game is running long What did Damdred do to your D&D game? Why do you only want to snuggle your vote up with those guys? | ||
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Jenna Angel- "You can't be him" Always in (T)control, we (P)First meet Angel giving out (Z)New orders to all the "participants" in her study. Every night she may go out and give someone a (Z)New order to stand down for the night. (P)Which paralyzes them until the morning when they may regain some semblance of (T)control. Holy shit he was the RB? | ||
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Lemur, that is like 200% the correct answer. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oA5ZH3C.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DxNfqJG.jpg) "Why'd he choose that pic first?" Interesting tree though... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/I8M0GZZ.jpg) Lovely and interesting seeds, I assume why you picked this ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qqG9mJN.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Bonus Pic!] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5ZvQuUA.jpg) On February 21 2016 05:59 Shapelog wrote: @TT If you are scum, can you tell me? Would you vote for me as a dictator of the human race? Who is going to win this election? If I were scum, I would be honor bound not to tell you. It would depend on your campaign message, so far I think you are on point. Probably Not America. | ||
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On February 21 2016 06:10 Shapelog wrote: So Scum!GB threw his vote off the main 2 wagons of D1. I.E Palmar and Scott. Does this mean anything in terms of scott's alignment? This would actually strongly indicate that Scott is town. GB was active at deadline, but didn't have any care as to who got lynched between Scott and Palmar. GB may have been trolling this whole game but I still think he'd try to save his teammate. | ||
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On February 21 2016 06:00 rsoultin wrote: cause they're my townreads and i haven't been reading? You only get partial credit for this answer. | ||
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Also @ Rsoul who do you think we should be lynching today? I'm not really around till I get off work, should be a couple of hours | ||
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I haven't really had much time since EoD so I need to reevaluate now that GB flipped scum. What are your reads on Tumble, Kush, and Breshke? | ||
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I suppose there is a possibility that Scott/Tumble are the last 2 mafia and GB stayed off the main wagons D1 kus he knew Tumble was going to vote Palmar, but it seems like a risky play. Something very similar happened D1 in Haunted Mansion so thats part of it too. But honestly the combination of the votes being so spread out and GB being off the main wagons really makes me think D1 was Town v Town. | ||
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That's actually not a bad point, I forgot Scott was mafia in Huanted mansion, and to some extent his posts do look similar. I kinda feel like that's just how scott posts though as either alignment. He's also not making excuses for his abscense or making promises that he'll do something later on which was one of the scummier things he did in that game imo. My gut is pretty sure scott is town here though... | ||
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I know I know, but give me a break. Scotts not around to concede with me, so I gotta try right? | ||
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Looking at the votes again it was 4 v 2 (Palmar v Scott) after I voted for Palmar. This was when GB put his vote on Kush. After that it was Rsoul swapping to Scott that tied the wagons 3v3 but Eden voted at like the same time so it was 4v3 5 min till EoD Tumble and SL voted at about the same time, with SL's switch to scott being what made the wagon's tied. So you are correct that GB's vote came at a time when scott was not really looking like one of the main wagons, but I still feel like it's weird that GB would have kept his vote off by itself if it was Scum v Town. | ||
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On February 22 2016 10:32 Breshke wrote: Also trefel has mentioned it and it's weird giving reasons that you yourself is town but the D1 votes is one of the biggest reasons I think you should think I am town I don't understand. What about your vote was alignment indicative? Especially before we know Scott's alignment... | ||
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I come back to find people talking about the same stuff I brought up N1. I can't even be upset that you guys ignored me then about it too kus we lynched mafia yesterday. I'm not sure I shouldn't just play some SC or something tonight and let you all do your thing. | ||
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Everything GB did was probably just pure WIFOM play but I'm sure he tried to go down in a way that would give his team a leg up. If GB/Scott/Tumble is the scumteam, and we lynched town!Palmar D1 and our vig shot town!Eden N1 then I'm submitting this game for worst town 2016. | ||
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On February 22 2016 12:52 rsoultin wrote: hold! i actually caught one of you in-thread! your palmar vs. scott read you flipped from a kinda townread based on truffle's read on palmar to saying palmar's filter was worse than scott's? elaborate Yea, I townread Trfel, and he had a decent explanation for his townread on Palmar so I went with that when forming early reads. When it came time to consolidate in that crazy EoD I thought Palmar looked worse than Scott, I didn't take Trfel's word for it at that point. Plus I didn't and still don't see what the push on Scott D1 was about. I'll admit that I really only have D1 VCA to backup my read on Scott, but I think reading him by his activity/involvedness (shutup spell-check that is so too a word) is a terrible heuristic. | ||
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On February 22 2016 13:36 Breshke wrote: I can give excuses why I was gone D2 but it doesn't really matter because I'm fairly sure it won't affect anyone's reads and after looking at my filter you guys will still townread my anyway. I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open? I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right This is such a bad post, that you are probably mafia. | ||
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On February 22 2016 13:37 Trfel wrote: (note: above post is mostly facetious) Anyway, I remembered a meta thing that makes me very comfortable lynching scott here. Yeah, okay, we probably don't need more reasoning to lynch scott, but whatever. In that game where I was mafia and mislynched scott, whatever it was called, scott got somewhat emotionally involved and became sure that I was scum and was calling for my lynch after he died. Even when he was mislynched Day 1, he was invested in the game in a way more than he's been across all of this game combined. Voting for scott. This doesn't look so invested to me... On February 18 2016 09:01 scott31337 wrote: I just got back I've been running around for work and just got home - great, it was town on town and now I have to shit some magical rainbows or the scummers are going to get me next - and I wasn't around to change my vote. I still have 20 pages to catch up, dinner to cook and beer to drink after a long day... (no follow up for like 12 hours) Lies = Probably mafia | ||
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Like I'm at The Shining - + Show Spoiler + Confirmed Town + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil:Impossible, yet still fun Breshke - + Show Spoiler + Feels like the Breshke that I remember. Sometimes awkward but pushes for info and talks things out with people in a logical way. I haven't seen a scum game from him recently, but I know he feels awkward in a QT with extra info. Up till that last post I don't see any signs of agenda in his posts. + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil: Possible Trfel - + Show Spoiler + Reads seem fluid, sometimes terrible, but genuine. Over-focus on meta is questionable but probably NAI. My own terrible meta on Trfel: He's pretty fluid and informal in interactions, as scum I've seen him do very pristine WoT style posts. + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil: Nothing Happens... Rsoultin - + Show Spoiler + Pretty open in opinion if sometimes confusing. Seems to have genuine reads and progression in them. Tbh kinda trusting my other townreads on her, I'm not sure what her scum style is. + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil: Possible, though a little painful. Scott31337 - + Show Spoiler + D1 VCA, he's posted little but seems to be giving his thoughts. Voted GB before it was cool. + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil: Yea... maybe he is scum nooniansoong - + Show Spoiler + If this comes as a suprise you haven't actually been reading my posts. There has been a lot of little things that feel off to me about Kush and tbh I think he's in the prime spot to be riding credit from the GB lynch. + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil: Oh we are already wearing this one, I've been tinfoiling about this read since Kush was wanting to push me based on pre-flip associations with GB I will admit, if kush is scum he's playing great. He's engaged and actively pushing his reads just like a towny should. I'd imagine that a step up in his town-play lately would also mean a step-up in scum play though. Maybe not to this level? Maybe if scott flips red I'd believe Kush is town... maybe Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler + Blah, kinda did a thing + Show Spoiler + Tinfoil: Waste of effort And I've been pretty clear about my scott read. It's also not impossible that one of us might be considering Bre or Trfel so it was kinda weird to assume that your PoE is everyone's PoE. | ||
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You're assuming what others see the game as and painting a world based on that There's also a kinda circular logic going on. "My PoE is these 3 people, those 3 should share my reads and thus find this easy, it's weird that that isn't happening..." | ||
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I also thought you were jumping the gun with the pre-flip associations and now I wonder if it was you trying to setup mislynches after GB flipped. You are right thouh, the vote on GB D1 doesn't mean much and is not the basis for either my read on you or scott. | ||
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On February 23 2016 02:51 nooniansoong wrote: What is the basis of your scumread on Scott exactly? Becuse you just listed it as your basis. And What is the basis of your read on me? I've been really clear that. I don't think scott is scum and why. Maybe I'm wrong and he flips mafia today and then you all lynch me kus i stood up for my read on, totally fine with that outcome since we can still afford one mislynch. You're gunna have to wait for me to be off work to discuss my read on you, I've said about all. I can without looking through your filter again. | ||
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vote doesn't really matter today anyways. I'm prob wrong anyhow and scott does flip mafia here and then I'm autolynched tomorrow so *shrug* | ||
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@Trfel my GB read was bad and has been the last few games I've played with him. I said he. MIGHT be town due to meta, but then realized he was doing nothing to make himself readable and was a decent plynch. D2 I have no idea what GB was playing at with the fakeclaim. That still makes no sense to me. | ||
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On February 24 2016 05:55 nooniansoong wrote: if you're here around flip, say so and I'll give you town points. How does me being around for flip make me town? | ||
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This blows, now we are in MyLo right? If i have time tonight I'll try to be around and relook at stuff. Right now Kush/Tumble are still my 2 scumreads, I'm actually really fucking sure about Kush now kus he's been touting this GB/Scott/Me scumteam even before GB flipped. Seems to me like he bussed GB for cred and is hoping to use that to finish off the game. Kinda interesting Tumble didn't vote there though, maybe he didn't want to look bad when scott flipped but didn't have anything else to push? | ||
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and do you really think that's the best way to guage people's alignments? | ||
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On February 22 2016 07:53 nooniansoong wrote: Process of elimination. Complete lack of content. Not a single scumread. I'm wondering if you can finally explain why you've been scumreading me all game, On February 19 2016 03:31 nooniansoong wrote: Tt is still mafia though. Nothing townie in his filter. How tinfoil looks takes. I know he likes to tinfoil as scum I think. Opportunistic scum reads which I'll explain later. but actually I'm most interested in what caused you to flip that read here. On February 19 2016 12:31 nooniansoong wrote: I agree tt. I thinking you're town now for reasons I'd rather not communicate (cause it would be hard to gather them) But I agree ignoring the blue shit is probably the best course. My take aways from the whole eon affair: Shining is confirmed town, shape probably town, and gbs shenanigans nai Your filter is full of reads you'll explain later and you mostly just seem to be running PoE as far as I can tell. | ||
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On February 24 2016 10:54 Trfel wrote: @Tictock: 1. At the start of the game, you said that you found sicklucker's posts interesting. However, you didn't follow up by asking any questions for him or working on your read on him until the night before the deadline, where you finally looked at his filter. If his play was so interesting, why this delay? 2. What happened to your suspicion of Shapelog on Day 1? This post doesn't show it, despite you showing suspicions of Shapelog not long before. 3. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the thought process behind your tinfoil post. Before this post, you were thinking that scott31337 was town because of the spread vote count. So, you went into the tinfoil post with the assumption that scott31337 is scum, right? And came out with the conclusion that scott31337, Tumblewood, and nooniansoong is a sensible scum team. So, what I don't get is, why do you go with this assumption and vote for Tumblewood, if you had reason to believe that scott31337 is town and never showed why this is wrong? And why vote for Tumblewood and not scott31337 to begin with? 1) If I recall right I was talking about his opening posts, the dear diary interesting? It was a style of posting I've never seen SL do, so I mentioned it to remind me to check his filter later. It was pg 1 post 2 though? it wasn't worth interrogating him for 2) I townread Shape early on for reacting to your Eden case with almost exactly my thinking. There was other stuff too like how he was messing around with me a little but staying fairly focused. I was guessing from his last scum game that he'd prob run with the chance to talk nonsense and spam, but he didn't. 3) Yea, so basically the first part of that tinfoil (before the silly intermission pic) I was talking out my ass before I'd really caught up with the game. You are correct that I was taking the opposite stance from my initial conclusion that D1 was probably TvT. I realized that it was ofc stupid to do that before actually catching up with the game, so I went back to reread and filled in that post with what I found relevant to how the Shape wagon built and then how the votes went after shape claimed blue. From that reading I came to my conclusions that Tumble was likely scum based on his voting and his reasons for doing so. I've avoided making any more tinfoil posts due to how terribly I flowered that one up. Though BTW, I do tinfoil as scum + Show Spoiler + ... but I also do it as town. | ||
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On February 24 2016 11:23 nooniansoong wrote: I will address your issues With me tomorrow tt. Ok, but can you also tell me about why you suggested a shot on Scott then changed to GB? On February 18 2016 12:14 nooniansoong wrote: Probably Scott. I'm a believer in shooting inactive people. Again, in particular what caused you to TR Scott earlier, then what caused you to drop it? On February 18 2016 20:09 nooniansoong wrote: Shining ask a dumb question you gonna get a dumb answer. I actually town read Scott at the time for a dumb reason. Now my read is somewhere between scummy, dunno, and town. So I change my imaginary shot to gb. I'd also really like to know why you decided to pressure Shape to claim D1. You seemed pretty aggressive about it, but you were only voting him for a joke? | ||
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On February 24 2016 11:27 Breshke wrote: Could people please tell me what they are currently reading me as I'll give your filter a once over, but my gut read on you feels pretty strong even with that post I didn't like. I think trying to read you by activity alone is pretty stupid. I try to look at how you are asking questions, what kinds of things you are asking about, are the questions leading or are then genuine. That sorta stuff. Actually I've never really read any of your scumgames... that's probably a thing I should do (time permitting) since we need to be fairly certain for our next couple of lynches. | ||
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On February 24 2016 11:40 Trfel wrote: Tictock, follow-up questions: What happened to this? I REALLY didn't want to... prob something I would have done N1 if he hadn't claimed blue | ||
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On February 24 2016 11:47 Trfel wrote: Darn it Tictock, I really want you to be scum, but I'm just not seeing it right now Maybe my analysis stinks, but bleh. I can see Tictock's play from a town perspective and I don't have any great reasons to think otherwise. Mostly just the association with GlowingBear and a potential argument that he's following instead of leading? Which are valid arguments, but feel like I'm stretching. Meh, I'll look into Breshke. Are you just trying to hurt my feelings? Or is this because it would make the game easier? When have I ever lead a game besides the final day in PYP? + Show Spoiler + Side note: That was also the only game I got GB's alignment correct + Show Spoiler + 2 days after he had died+ Show Spoiler + ... After I found the actual scumteam | ||
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So EoD1 was this: Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (4): scott31337 (4): GlowingBear (2): Breshke(1): Palmar Tumblewood (1): The Shining, nooniansoong (1): GlowinBear Trfel (0): Eden1892 (0): Sicklucker(0): The Shining (0): Shapelog (0): D1 was Town v Town and mafia apparently felt really comfortable. I think the fact that GB was voting off-wagon is interesting since he actually was pretty close to being a serious wagon. Here was the voting at :50 (10 min till deadline) Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (3): Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, GlowingBear(2): scott31337 (2): The Shining (1): Eden1892, Breshke(1): Palmar Shapelog (1): Tumblewood (1): The Shining, Trfel (0): Eden1892 (0): At this point it was anyone's guess who the lynch was going to be. Next votes are Me -> Palmar, GB -> Kush, Rsoul -> Scott My vote looks bad, but I think Rsoul has to be town for this swap because if she is scum with GB she just made it more likely he could be lynched literally minuets before deadline. After that it was Tumble and Eden onto Palmar that ended D1. Unless the last 2 mafia are Rsoul/Tumble(I'd need to look into this) I think Rsoul has to be town from this. D2: Vote Count - Day 2 TumbleWood(1): The Shining(0): Glowingbear(8): The Shining, nooniansoong, Trfel, Rsoultin, TickTock, scott31337, shapelog, tumblewood Scott31337(1): Rsoultin(0): GB's vote is a giant pile of WIFOM that I'm not sure I really want to go near. Breshke being off-wagon is interesting but a rather unlikely place to find mafia (+ Show Spoiler + or is it a genius place for mafia to hide! D3: Vote Count - Day 3 scott31337 (5): Trfel, Breshke, nooniansoong, rsoultin, The Shining Tumblewood (1): Tictock Breshke (1): scott31337 Not Voting (1): Tumblewood At this time, scott31337 is slated to be lynched. Day 2 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. Not sure if this tells us anything? Tumble not voting is weird, he mentioned that he forgot to check-in at deadline before is this like a weird going out of his way to prove it thing? He seemed to strongly support the scott lynch too... Well based on VCA I think Tumble is still the most likely mafia here. + Show Spoiler + I still think it would be amazing if Kush and GB did double bus and Kush is playing this like a champ. It is a bold move from a scum!Kush to push Shape to claim and then insta-vote his scummate when he does. The way Kush was pushing Shape to claim was pretty weird though. I honestly feel like GB's play makes no sense this game unless he basically wanted to be lynched, which highly suggests a big bus play like that to me. Atm I see no reason why a GB/Kush/Tumble team is impossible, but I haven't really looked into associations here. | ||
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On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote: @Trfel, in response to your question: I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game. You are either very confused or are lying out your ass right here. I also can't help but notice that you have a NULL read on me at this point? It's so weird to me that I've been pushing you all game and you keep saying I'm kinda towny... If you are town you should be fucking concerned about my alignment and trying to convince me that I'm wrong or lynch me respectively. | ||
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On February 18 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote: I have more pictures, but they're going in a spoiler this time. Official scumlist is Shape, SL, and GB. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iHPvxM0.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8IPGOzY.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mYlsRFX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6K9LTDw.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Yp5bsy.jpg) Like I'm pretty sure it says "protip bad read" next to Trfel's Eden and Palmar reads in those notes... | ||
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Actually this begs the question, Tumble did you make those notes only after deadline? I had been under the impression you were making them all day, but now see there wasn't one for Palmar. | ||
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@ Kush + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2016 11:03 Tictock wrote: I actually did manage to read your filter while at work over the past day or so and didn't find hardly anything behind your reads. What you told me here was actually one of the more in-depth reads I find in your filter. I'm wondering if you can finally explain why you've been scumreading me all game, but actually I'm most interested in what caused you to flip that read here. Your filter is full of reads you'll explain later and you mostly just seem to be running PoE as far as I can tell. On February 24 2016 11:35 Tictock wrote: Ok, but can you also tell me about why you suggested a shot on Scott then changed to GB? Again, in particular what caused you to TR Scott earlier, then what caused you to drop it? I'd also really like to know why you decided to pressure Shape to claim D1. You seemed pretty aggressive about it, but you were only voting him for a joke? My VCA Post Here And @ Tumble: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2016 15:16 Tictock wrote: You are either very confused or are lying out your ass right here. I also can't help but notice that you have a NULL read on me at this point? It's so weird to me that I've been pushing you all game and you keep saying I'm kinda towny... If you are town you should be fucking concerned about my alignment and trying to convince me that I'm wrong or lynch me respectively. On February 24 2016 15:27 Tictock wrote: Oh I guess he did post that after Palmar had flipped (but before Eden!?!) Actually this begs the question, Tumble did you make those notes only after deadline? I had been under the impression you were making them all day, but now see there wasn't one for Palmar. Oh and @ Breshke What gives? On February 24 2016 11:27 Breshke wrote: Could people please tell me what they are currently reading me as On February 24 2016 12:08 Breshke wrote: Does anyone know if we can no lynch? You are kinda just floating in the thread here but not doing anything. | ||
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Kush: The Hierophant ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0ulgfSC.jpg) + Show Spoiler + The Hierophant is a symbol for a world of belief and confession, may it be a church, a sect or an occult society. He's the pope, the druid or the High Priest in a system of creeds and dogmas. He represents the religious and intellectual tradition of a person, and may be the one the person is born to it or possibly the one who has chosen it by himself. So he's like a man of god... a Godfather! There is also this connection to a sect, or occult society. Sounds a lot like a mafia team to me. Tumble: Ace of Cups ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fzECQ0h.jpg) + Show Spoiler + The Ace of Cups represents the beginning of love, fertility and creativity. It is a card to inspire confidence and happiness. When it turns up a reading of an everyday nature it can indicate the start of a loving relationship (of either the romantic or friendship variety); it can represent the beginning of a project in which a great deal of loving energy is invested (rather like the beginning of angelpaths); or sometimes it can reveal conception - the beginning of a new life. This actually suggests Tumble is town, his first game on this site was as scum so the "new beginning" here would suggest his first town game I think the proper play today is pretty clear... ##Vote: Kush | ||
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On February 24 2016 15:39 Tumblewood wrote: There are two kinds of people in the game: town, and scum. [citation needed] If you are town, you could see me as scummy for my actions in this game. If you are scum, you could be trying to push a mislynch on me. I do not know which of those two is correct. You and Breshke could be pushing for a final mislynch on me, or one or both of you could be town. I cannot tell which is true, hence the null read. After deadline, I was really confused what to think on everyone because I didn't know where everyone stood, so I sorted it on paper. Ok I can see the thing about me being null to you I guess, but I kinda don't like your answer about the notes. You are saying you made them to help "sort people out" but I don't really see any evidence of those notes going anywhere. When you posted your final set of notes you did say your scumteam was Shape/SL/GB, but you only explained the read on Shape. On February 18 2016 12:34 Tumblewood wrote: The blue claim is the only reason I'm hesitant to lynch him. He didn't claim a specific role, though, leaving no possibility of a CC and making it generally harder to disprove. I think he'll have the chance to prove himself if he is a blue role. Which doesn't even sound like a scumread... After you post those lists you made that post and this one: On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not. The bolded lines here stand out to me, kus the first one is fairly untrue given when you did place your vote (at that point (:58) it was 4v3v2) and then wasn't the lynch on Palmar largely policy too? Can you explain to me why Palmar was a different quality of lynch over the other 3? But getting back to the notes, you don't mention them again till these posts. On February 20 2016 09:52 Tumblewood wrote: I'm looking back through my notes and the main reason I was scumreading GB was his townreads on Shape. Now that Shape is blue claimed, I feel a little worse about that read. On February 20 2016 09:53 Tumblewood wrote: Never mind Scum can be correct for shitty reasons too So your main reason to scumread GB wasn't good, but he could still be scum and you voted for him. This is a really weird progression to me and I see no efforts from you to discuss GB, or even any interactions with him at all. So when I look at this, I see your notes led you to think Shape/SL/GB were scum, but shape claimed blue and then SL was the NK, so you are left with GB. You don't react at all to GB's crazyness at the start of D2, but then make those posts about your read on him being bad but he still might be scum anyway, seems like you almost wanted to defend him but then realized that wasn't a good move. Plus I still think it's a lie that you say "I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time" to Trfel as an explanation for your Palmar vote + Show Spoiler + Trfel was like the only person to hard townread Palmar, and pretty early too, plus he also showed no interest in any of Trfel's reads going into EoD On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote: @Trfel, in response to your question: I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game. The bolded line here is also pretty scummy. He wasn't pressed to try and work things out at deadline, but to "act like I had insight" | ||
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On February 24 2016 15:56 Breshke wrote: What is thew most damming thing that makes you think kush is scum. Lets start there. So the Big things to me (before I've gotten caught up or reviewed things): - Lack of reasoning behind reads, Kush's reads sometimes seem to change on a whim and he really only explains them when pushed. I also don't like how often he downplays his own reads (calling them bad, tec) because it's like he's just excusing himself for them being wrong later on. - Based his main scumreads based on pre-flip associations with GB. This prob doesn't seem bad to the rest of you since it seems like I'm in everyones PoE list, but from my perspective it looks like Kush was pushing 2 town based on one scum flip. Guess how many lynches scum needed after GB flipped? - Pushing Shape to claim. I missed this when it first happened and didn't get back to it till much later (and I was half writting my tinfoil when I did read these pages so I think I was focused on other stuff), but the way that Kush voted for Shape, pushed Shape to claim, and then specify his claim all looks super scummy. Like his vote on Shape was shit, then he takes advantage of Shapes situation by pushing him to claim. I can't see why town!Kush would do any of this, it's really bad play as town kus it just gave scum one of our blue roles for nothing. + Show Spoiler [Vote on Shape] + On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote: um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? On February 18 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##Unvote ##vote shapelog He votes shape, kus he thinks shape is voting over a joke... so Kush is voting Shape over a joke... Also without waiting for shape to answer There are a few other small things that bug me in Kush's filter but those are def the big ones. | ||
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On February 25 2016 03:00 Trfel wrote: And Tictock, if you don't mind, I'd like to go back to this. So when you went into that tinfoil post, before it you were thinking that scott31337 was town because the Day 1 votes suggested Town vs Town. Then you decided that making this conclusion was bad before you read more carefully, right? So, I'm assuming that by the end of the tinfoil post, you'd read everything? So, what was your conclusion about scott31337's alignment, and why? And how and why did your previous read on the Day 1 lynch being town vs town change? Here's the deal Trfel, I still thought TvT was most likely after my tinfoil, tinfoiling about scott being scum doesn't make him scum or influence my read, I just wanted to explore possibilities. At the end of my reading, checking into why people voted, what their read progression was, etc, I was pretty focused on Tumble. I thought even disregarding the tinfoil his vote and reads were the most sus. That read on him was also independent of anyone else's alignment so that's why it was the main read I pushed. | ||
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On February 25 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote: The game state? What do you mean? Anyway, here's one example of the kind of thing that makes me think that Tictock is scum. Tinfoil post saying he wants to lynch Tumblewood, @4:36 EST [lots of commenting] [more commenting] [some reads but nothing pointed] Voting for who he thought was scum last night (Tumblewood), @22:02 EST So, a bit over 17 hours later, after a ton of commenting on things, he votes for the same person as he thought before, for the exact same reasons? Things to check: 1. How much did Tictock push Tumblewood relative to the wagon on GlowingBear? Did he throw out a read and not talk about it much while the GlowingBear wagon wasn't there, or was this after the GlowingBear wagon was already going? If the former, it's suspicious how his activity with regards to this push increased later. 2. Why didn't Tumblewood push any of the other lynches as much as he did the Tumblewood wagon? He seemed to be making a fuss over this, which I definitely don't remember him making Day 1 (would have thought he'd want to lynch sicklucker) or Day 3 (not lynching scott, lynching Tumble isntead). It's a bit hard for me to tell if he actually was trying to defend scott or not, but maybe comparing his push on Tumble D2 and the defense of scott D3 shows something. Why are you disregarding that I put my vote on Tumble out of having no clue what to make of the claims situation? + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote: Well I'm caught up and pretty confused. GB why would you fake claim, the vote the person who counterclaimed you? But then that means Shining as town shot Eden? I guess scum shooting SL kus he hinted at being blue kinda makes sense... Idk this is really weird. On February 19 2016 12:02 Tictock wrote: For the Flowers though... Just gunna vote who I though was scum last night. ##Vote: Tumblewood Which was me throwing my hands up and leaving the game for a little while. When I came back... On February 19 2016 12:27 Tictock wrote: Ok so like your Vig shot was kinda bad last game too Shining, but geez. Yolo plays is such a bad reason for that shot GB's play is just WTF. Which I think means I need to ignore it... Though I'll note these WTF feelings in later reads. I suggest we ignore anymore Blue stuff, and get back on track? Yea in retrospect I should have kept pushing the fact that GB voted for Shining while fake claiming, but none of what he did made sense as scum so I just tried to ignore it. You've had time to check that stuff you wanted to now... what did you find? | ||
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On February 25 2016 06:29 Trfel wrote: So, to finish what I started in this post. Much of what Tictock posted about his suspicion of Tumblewood was actually reactive. He responded to townreads that I posted about Tumblewood and ways that his read was directly questioned. His tone towards the Tumblewood lynch and the force with which he pushes it changes here, once it starts feeling like GlowingBear will be lynched. And while his push on Tumblewood was of moderate involvement, his defense of scott and push onto Tumblewood on Day 3 seems almost nonexistant. This strongly suggests that Tictock is mafia. Thoughts? Did I mess up? I feel like End of Night disrupted my thought process a bit is the logic sensible?Ah ok, you did. My involvement D3 was pretty low kus it was clear nobody agreed with me and most people thought I was scum so were prob ignoring half the stuff I said anyways. Didn't stop me from saying what I thought though, by why would I waste my time pushing stuff when I'm half being ignored? Why is it weird that I kept pushing my main scumread when I wasn't very sure what to do with GB? IIRC at that point I was also waiting to see if GB did anything that might explain why he would fake claim, or just anything in general. Guess I learned this game that Troll!GB = Scum!GB | ||
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On February 25 2016 10:18 Tumblewood wrote: TT, a townie in this situation is not using tarot cards to determine his vote. No decent townie would in any other situation, but... this is MyLo. Kinda how I'd expect mafia to react to my Tarot. Pushing me as scum without really saying I'm scum. | ||
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On February 25 2016 11:11 nooniansoong wrote: @yo TT I don't get your townread on breshke. can we get some specific examples of him being logical? He had that bad looking post. You haven't seen a scum game from him recently, so you don't know his meta well. He has really low activity. Your townread of him isn't jiving. I've seen Bre more inactive than this as town before (+ Show Spoiler + and I pushed him as scum and ended up being mislynched for having soft defended scum D1 and then reaching to make reads, like my one on Bre that game Like I said earlier to Bre, my gut read on him being town has been strong but I don't recall anything in particular that made me go "God, this guy is so town..." + Show Spoiler + This is actually really similar to how I was reading Shining and SL near the end of PYP as well. It was just based on how they'd come off to me as I'd be reading the game (gut read) and I'd never really looked through their filter prior to the final day. Filter dives is still on my list of shit to do. | ||
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On February 25 2016 13:04 Tumblewood wrote: I have nothing to ask you to clue me in to your identity, and it feels a little silly to ask you about Breshke when I could gather information on Breshke myself. So, Breshke... Yeah, I have no questions right now. Except maybe on what the point of the whole tarot thing was. You are probably scum since you don't seem to be trying to figuer out anyone's alignments today... But since you're the only one who reacted to my tarot I'll discuss it. I was looking for reactions, either to how I was claiming to be using the cards to base my reads today or to the fact that I was kinda suddenly swapping my read on you with that. There was still one thing I wanted to see if anyone picked up on or more precisely reacted to the way I thought Town should... I'm actually really surprised nobody has, and I think Bre is the only one who hasn't posted since I dropped that post. | ||
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Lynching me today will be pretty easy, last 24 hours or so I'm probably going to be rather busy and will be totally missing deadline thanks to work. So you have that on your side today scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Sorry I guess that means this is a useless post+ Show Spoiler + Can I cave it?+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Nope... | ||
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On February 25 2016 13:41 rsoultin wrote: lol >< i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler + if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? Oh, you said something about my Tarot too, I missed this. This feels like a towny reaction to me. Mostly due to the fact that she is looking at scum!modivation behind it (trolling) and town!modivation (pushing scumreads) and since she can't see what I might be doing with it for town writes it off (and prob scumreads me more, though she doesn't say it) | ||
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On February 25 2016 19:47 nooniansoong wrote: Tt I didn't vote shape for a joke. I votted him for voting someone for a joke. Get it? And what is scummy about pushing him to claim when he's going to get lynched? Its better to have an outted blue than a lynched blue. So you think only scum can mistake a joke and take it seriously? You didn't even give him a chance to answer your question, you piled onto the wagon and your vote made Shape the leading wagon. It wasn't like Shape was a for sure lynch, and several of the votes on him (*cough*Yours*cough*) weren't really backed by anything. If he is blue it should be his choice to claim or to do what Shape was doing and try to step up a little and push his reads, etc. Telling him he nees to claim, pushing him to do it when he seems like he doesn't want to, and pushing him to claim his specific role. All of that is definitely in line with scum motives more than town motives. So yea, it's scummy that I see you add pressure to his wagon with a silly vote then pressure a claim out of him. I don't see why town would do that. | ||
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On February 25 2016 21:22 rsoultin wrote: and what sort of reaction were you actually looking for with that post, TT? @.@ also, if you don't actually townread tumble, what is your real read on noon? like, i know that townies can get tunneled on a read, but you've been pushing tumble for several day phases now with no success or even much interest from the rest of us...i fail to understand why you're not trying harder to convince us or looking for the third scum if you don't think you can get tumble lynched -_- Well it was more of a general how would people react, than one specific thing. Kinda disappointing Bre hasn't posted, I prefer to see everyone's reactions... + Show Spoiler [ Truth Behind Truths] + Actually thats not 100% true, I actually do put some value in the tarot cards themselves... but I can't expect anyone else to buy that. It's kinda like a meta read to me, it gives me something interesting to look at, that can often be misinterpreted, but that might hold a fair bit of truth. I have only used tarot once before in mafia and the results were mixed, yet still valuable to me. Using them here was something I decided to do kinda for fun and kus I got interesting reactions the last time I put tarot cards in a mafia game. To be fair the Readings are hard to decipher. For example, I said Kush's card means he's the god father kus that's kinda the surface read of that card. However it also suggests deep understanding, a push to learn the truth, unwavering resolve, etc. So by no means does the card have to mean "Godfather" but I thought that was the relevant piece and it aligned with my read on him. Also it made my post look more trolly to go "Man of god... Clearly the Godfather!" ^.^ I was hinting at one thing though I think the proper play today is pretty clear... No-Lynch is clearly the best play today. I'm actually really surprised nobody but Kush has talked about it like a serious option. I felt like both you and Trfel brushed it off too easily. It's not a huge jump in odds for us, but I'd take it. 1/3 chance of getting mafia today -> 2/5 tomorrow. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:01 nooniansoong wrote: TT, can you hint at your most recent reason to townrread breshke that you didn't want to talk about? I really shouldn't. In an ongoing effort to be fair and partial though I intend to look at Bre's filter today. Also Rsouls's. Like I'm actually rethinking my read on you Kush based on your approach today, you are going about MyLo in a rather towny way. Trfel is also putting in work to try and figure out alignments. Tumble looks like obv scum the way he is doing today (but I'm still the only one who thinks so apparnetly). So I'm left wondering if my read on Rsoul was bad or if my read on Bre was off. Right now though I would say Tumble is my top lynch, after no-lynching. | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:22 nooniansoong wrote: I would expect a town TT to think, "wait a minute. My read on breshke is not based on very strong evidence. I need to reasses it since kush is looking pretty townie and everyone else is townreading him." Lol... Expect I don't give a shit that everyone town reads you, everyone could be wrong. Do you have strong evidence that Bre is scum? It would be better if you can tell me why you scumread him, not accuse my townread of being bad. You haven't backed-up all your townreads with meticulous detail have you? Why should I? | ||
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I have a hard time finding stuff in your filter. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote: tt talk to me if you're here. how do you feel about this? Here but not quite caught up, assuming you mean who do I think could be scum... Tumble - Most likely scum, weak accusation against me for doing tarot, not doing anything to figuer out alignments Rsoul - Seems to be looking at the game fairly, kinda tagging along with townleaders though. D1 vote suggests she can only be scum with Tumble. Bre - Feels town, but hasn't done anything yet today. I know he is playing in another game but I'd expect him to put more focus on this game since we are in MyLo. Kush - Probably town since he is trying to solve the game today, still a bit uneasy kus of some of the stuff I was seeing Trfel - Has been trying to solve the game, questioning a lot and doing rereading, also feels natural and isn't pushing out cases to get his lynch. Easily town. I think that's pretty much where I am at. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:32 nooniansoong wrote: I looked at an old scumgame of yours and you had no problem having fluid reads it seems like. Your stubborness is actually pretty townie. Fuck no I don't have strong evidence that Bre is scum. All I have is a lack of evidence that he is town. The point against shape he made in the beginning of the game that you liked--I did not really like it. So about breshke, I dunno. He is AFK in other places as well. ahem... Really, I dunno. That's fair, were you talking about this? On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote: ehh I have a problem with these two posts. the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape I thought it was a decent point about Shape agreeing that millers should claim (knows they are aware) and then suddenly makes a tinfoil about them not being aware. I thought his(Shape's) tinfoil there was pretty weak since he could have easily checked the OP and seen Millers are aware. Looks legit to me still. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:46 Trfel wrote: I'd really prefer to lynch today if possible. Reason being that in less than 24 hours I will be leaving, and I'll probably barely be present after that. I'm worried that if we no-lynch, I might get modkilled, and that would be a really stupid way to end the game. Yes, I screwed up. Yes, it was really stupid. Yes, I'm sorry. But I'd still prefer to cut my losses. If you're fine with no-lynching, thus going into LYLO with me barely being present, then I guess that works, but I don't think it's smart, especially since rsoultin's schedule also works better with no-lynching. Ok, well assuming we HAVE to lynch today then. If I were suddenly mod-killed or whatever, who would you be voting for? | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:34 Breshke wrote: Hi shape It is actually hard because yes i still don't see how you could make both of those posts but I don't see why you do it as mafia. Dumbtell obviously but that is jsut a MEH reason. I also get the same kinda vibe rsoul said she got where you seem like "fake happy" but that might just be you and im far too lazy to look at your other games to see if that's true. Some people want to lynch shining. What is your opinion on that shape? This looks like town!Bre interacting with his scumread (this is right after that post I just quoted). Explains his position and what he meant, but asks Shape about an unrelated matter to remove potential bias and further the read. He votes Shape after this, which as I discussed way back in my tinfoil post looks pretty legit. On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote: last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote Shapelog Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption? I like these reactions from Bre, re Shape claiming blue. On February 18 2016 04:55 Breshke wrote: no, its my opinon that you don't claim what blue you are On February 18 2016 04:55 Breshke wrote: Shape post your read post More interested in Shapes reads/Role, pretty likely this comes from town. Kush had already opened the door to pushing shape to claim, it would be easy for scum to jump on the chance and push the blame onto Kush. Humm this post is the opposite of that though... On February 18 2016 05:05 Breshke wrote: SL confirm this was a blueclaim. There is no point not talking about it Also iirc Bre was one of the few people who seemed to legitimately think SL was blue, and mafia did kill SL almost for sure because they thought he was blue... then right back to this: On February 18 2016 05:06 Breshke wrote: No stop. Why does everyone want him to claim his role? How is that the good play GB unless you are very sure he is mafia. SHape said he was working on a reads list. If you think he is fake claiming it is also very likely he has no such reads list. Shouldn't this be a higher priority for him to reply to. Eh I'm tempted to say that's a disconnect between how he was treating Shape and SL but maybe it's just kus SL was softing blue and Bre picked up on it whereas Shape outright claimed. I could also see town!Bre just being caught up in all the blue talk at this point. Actually this leads me think Bre couldn't have been scum who killed SL. On February 18 2016 05:16 Breshke wrote: Like I don't hate that reads list from shape, not to say i agree with it and think a lot of it is weak reasoning but it is enough for me to show that as scum he wasnt just relying on his fake claim to get through the lynch and makes me sure that he doesn't claim here. I have problems with SL but it is better I talk about it D2 I have no idea who we lynch but im fairly sure it will be one of the less active players. Bre hinted multiple times that he was holding back a read on SL and then said D2 he was planning to push him hard for taking back the blue claim N1. If scum did kill SL N1 kus they thought he was blue then why would Bre be holding back his SL read like that? Gunna stop this kus I don't want to make a giant WoT (and this was all only one page on Bre's filter >.<). I'm seeing a lot of stuff to support Bre being town though... even just reading one page of his filter here. | ||
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On February 26 2016 04:59 nooniansoong wrote: @TT why did you want to lynch me over tumble today? doesn't mesh with how hard you've been pushign tumble all game long and been on the fence about me. @trfel looking at bresh should be your top priority imo. Are you referring to my Tarot post? Actually even if you weren't I thought It would be more interesting to try and push you more directly today, though at this point I'm thinking you are town. You didn't even OMGUS me for the fake vote on you, so it seems like you are actually invested in determining people's alignments tday. You were a pretty strong scumread coming into today though... and the cards suggested you might be GF. | ||
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I don't think scum ever makes a read like this, and he pushes it like he believes it too. On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote: I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me On February 18 2016 05:57 Breshke wrote: Rsoul swap to scott. Seriously look at the resons for lynching scott and the reasons for lynching palmar. They are both weak as shit but noone is interested in the scott wagon but me and trefel who if i remember right are your two biggest townreads On February 18 2016 05:58 Breshke wrote: oh you did it already oops SOMEONE ELSE SWAP TO SCOTT Would scum!Bre say this if he knows GB is wanting to fakeclaim? Humm, prob not. If GB's claim to be vig was something they planned then GB prob would have stuck with the claim to maybe get the mislynch out of it. Seem more likely GB saw this post and realized he could fakeclaim on a whim. His reactions though when GB does claim don't look very good. Votes Shining right off, asks about what people think GB's alignment is based off the claim (without coming to a conclusion himself), and then realizes Eden was the Vig shot? Idk that line of thinking doesn't track. After that I kinda get a sense of Bre dropping off a little, this also looks a little odd: On February 22 2016 12:17 Breshke wrote: Tumbles filter really confuses me. Top post was pre D1 lynch second post was post lynch. First of all im fairly sure the lynches were never at 2 votes each especially not when tumble ended up voting for palmar and also in the first post he calls people good lynches and in the second he says the same people were bad wagons. I know there was a lynch inbetween so we got more information but i don't really see him using any of that information to make this change of reads. Ive pointed out other disconnects in his posts before and im not sure if it is just because he is a new player or not but he also doesn't feel very involved in the thread and when he is around i feel like he just takes pot shots at people. Still want to lynch scott first because cant risk bringing him to mylo Seems to have a scumread on Tumble, but wants to lynch Scott becasue "we can't bring him to mylo" which seems like a really weak reason to vote Scott over Tumble to me. I'm about out of time (have to get ready for work) but Bre's reactions around the fakeclaim were a little off and he seemed to drop off his posting a fair bit after that point. His reasoning for voting scott was also kinda weak, especially since he was one of the people who agreed N1 that the VCA suggested it was TvT. Maybe my read on Bre was influenced too strongly by his play D1, his reactions to the fakeclaim and drop off in play after that could suggest that he is scum and was worried about associations so started posting less. I'd still lynch Tumble first, and need to check Rsoul better but Bre could be scum here (even if my gut still says town). | ||
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I would lynch Tumble, but nobody agrees with me. Rsoul could be mafia, but made the best post of the day. On February 26 2016 15:11 rsoultin wrote: yeah that didn't make much sense :/ what i'm trying to say is i'd rather focus on why players did what they did rather than would they or wouldn't they as scum, because not only do we not have the whole picture, but both alignments are usually capable of anything in a vacuum Kush & Trfel pretty town. I'm going to sleep. | ||
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Apparently my townreads as scum are lethal... Kush played really well this game his scumreads were spot on for most of the game. Only mistake made was townreading Rsoul for the GB lynch. Also btw, my tarot was 100% legit... expect I pulled cards for everyone D1. I was originally going to share them with the whole game but I decided not too as the cards I drew for Rsoul and GB linked really well with their roles and I didn't want to throw that much spin on the interpretation. I even drew Death for Breshke... which hopefully doesn't indicate anything in regards to his RL situation. I'd be willing to share the cards I drew for people and their supposed meaning as well as my interpretation if people would like. I know it's a weird thing to do for Mafia but I've toyed around with Tarot for years and it's always interesting for me to use it for stuff like this. | ||
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On March 01 2016 08:16 ritoky wrote: you should have been lynched day 1 imo. i mean no offense to you because the rest of your game was solid and you used everything at your disposal including fake kindness and puppydog eyes to deter lynches from yourself which is a ruthless trait that most players don't have as mafia. i thought you were really good post-day 1. on day 1 though you did absolutely nothing to advance town in any legitimate way. you were just friendly and non-committal and overall just uninterested in learning about people's alignments in a meaningful way. as an observer i would have immediately assumed you were blue or red because of your lack of push for information which is so different than your town play early. as a co-host i knew you were just red  tbh though i kinda felt like all 3 of you took a nap through day 1.....that and if breshke claims immediately post RB-flip, you might drop into the PoE list and fall into the "why are you not dead" questioning which makes the game harder. long posts so hard at work. Yea, I honestly was not modivated at all to play scum again so soon after my last game >.< I was hoping for another fun game to sovle like PyP! But alas! I phoned in a lot of my effort and tried to sit back from the game as much as I felt comfortable. Prob why Kush and eventually Trfel sniffed me out without much doubt in their minds. Also the stuff with GB d2 was fairly bad imo. Though I actually think GB should have stuck with the claim, there was a real chance that Shining got lynched and given us one extra day with an RB. After he had reacted to Shining's CC with a vote there was no going back. I'll make a post with everyone's cards in a little bit. | ||
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On March 01 2016 10:14 rsoultin wrote: -amused- i didn't want to. that was gb i actually had a blue read on bresh and wanted them to rb/nk him totally the right move but it prob would have lost us the game lol >< the irony Doesn't that mean that it WASN'T the right move then ^.^ Nah you did a good job getting that blue read on Bre, I never would have believed it... even in the end I would have prob not bought his claim. Also, still a little miffed I got a useless scum role | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Method] + For those that care, I shuffle the cards while looking over that players filter. Since I wasn't very concerned about alignments I was moreso focused on roles and general reads on the player themselves. Therefor I'd say these cards reflect the personalities of the player that they put into their play for this game. It's not a read purely on your role, not a read on you personally, just what part of you that is being represented in the game. 1) Palmar + Show Spoiler [10 of Cups: Satiety] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3ZYUlil.jpg) This card represents the contradiction inherent in having too much happiness; eventually it will all seem fake, and having everything you want makes life boring, and will lead to unhappiness and discontent. This card represents the rich man (weather materially or spiritually) who has all he desires, and so feels as if an integral part of himself is missing. He has missed out on some part of life. This is also the stomachache one experiences after having eaten too much. One grows tired of having all that they want; their life is not truly complete. What someone thought they wanted more than anything in the world turns out to not be their true heart’s desire. And from this sense of incompletion can arise something new; a drive that can lead one to find what one is missing from their lives, and so return back to Kether and the Aces. In a reading, this card indicates that you might have too much; more than you know what to do with, and more than you are comfortable with. It asks you to re-examine your desire – are they really what you wanted? Are you truly content with what you have? Are you missing something? Kindof a weird card to me, maybe it makes more sense to Palmar? An attmept: Palmar was kinda playing separated from the game and handing his reads out without any attempt to put reason (explanation) behind them. Sorta like a King handing out his demands from an ivory tower. I kinda imagine Palmar sitting in his chair picking which reads he might share with the game secretly plotting his next steps, but exiled from the game before he got the change to really put forth all he knew. 2) Shapelog + Show Spoiler [The Emperor] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y2jzSon.jpg) The Emperor himself is a bringer of justice, using his power to order the universe so that all get what they deserve, in a way paralleling the creative acts of God. The Emperor is also strong and confident, with a clear sense of identity that he expresses through his power and actions; he is the center of the universe. In a reading, this card asks you to examine the role of authority and the law in your life. Has the law been just to you? It also requests that you examine your own sense of identity and your power relationships with others, as well as what your legacy will be once you are gone. This card represents Law and Order... obv the Cop. I drew this card before Shape claimed, it along with the cards for GB and Rsoul are what made me think I didn't want to share these cards with the game. 3)Ticktock + Show Spoiler [5 of Wands: Strife] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rzv6pdJ.jpg) Yep I drew a card for myself too, I needed to be impartial. Also why not see what the cards might hint at for my role in the game? In particular, the Five of Wands represents a form of chaos in the form of conflict and disagreement; the opposite in many ways of “order.” In a reading, the Five of Wands asks you to review your current situation with regards to opposing, negative relationships with others; are the causes of your frustrations the actions of others? Is there discord in your group of acquaintances or coworkers? How is competition playing a role in your life? The idea of competition here is the least negative; sometimes from competition and strife, stronger individuals emerge. But sometimes not. Fits pretty well imo. Both with my own modivation to push out what I needed to do to help my team win, and the fighting the eventual lynch that awaited me after GB's flip. I feel like I fought off the scumreads against me well enough, and even used it to my advantage in getting scott and Bre associated with me. 4) Tumblewood + Show Spoiler [Ace of Cups] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ND3DU2J.jpg) Just copying what I said in my last day. I actually told you all the legit meaning of the card and what my read of it was ^.^ The Ace of Cups represents the beginning of love, fertility and creativity. It is a card to inspire confidence and happiness. When it turns up a reading of an everyday nature it can indicate the start of a loving relationship (of either the romantic or friendship variety); it can represent the beginning of a project in which a great deal of loving energy is invested (rather like the beginning of angelpaths); or sometimes it can reveal conception - the beginning of a new life. This actually suggests Tumble is town, his first game on this site was as scum so the "new beginning" here would suggest his first town game 5) Breshke + Show Spoiler [Death] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TeILGd0.jpg) Ah, everyone's fav Tarot card. It's not really about death though... In a reading, this card never (or at least, almost never) means actual, physical death. Rather, it asks you to examine transition or transformative stages in your life, and eras that might be ending. It asks you consider giving yourself a chance to be reborn, to examine imperfections in your life, and warns you of powerful forces out of your control headed your way Especially as the game drew close to an end it was clear that Bre's role was to end the game, it may also carry some significance to whatever caused him to dissapear. 6)nooniansoong + Show Spoiler [The Herophant] + The emphasis is very appropriate for the Hierophant, for he represents the bonds of the community that tie everyone together. He is responsible for the induction of others into society, and for the rituals that bind the community and make it one. He represents also the powerful force of formalized religion, such as the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages, with provided legitimacy, education, and unity. The Hierophant is also the gateway and key to acceptance; he is the spiritual leader who decides how a society should be, and controls all of the formalities, initiation, and education of others in the society. It's true that this card has a connection with God, but it's more to do with spiritual (divine/perfect) knowlege and the connotations with community. This is a really powerful and apt card for Kush. His play was very much so insightful beyond what was put into words and he helped bring town together for both of their successful lynches. 7) Trfel + Show Spoiler [8 of Cups: Indolence] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kf3zBML.jpg) the Eight of Cups represents a more “grounded” aspect of the energy of cups, but instead of the degenerate weakness of Debauch, responds with a more intellectual weakness; a weakness of the mind as opposed to the spirit. In a reading, this card asks you to examine the role that surrender, loss of will, disrespect, and weariness have played in your life. It asks you to consider whether or not the time has come for you to move on and surrender; or maybe it encourages you not to do this. Have you been slothful? Lazy? Disrespectful? Are others looking down on you for this? Do you look down on others? No offense to Trfel, but I knew after seeing this card that we never needed to worry about him >.< I'd kinda rather let Trfel read into this however he wants to, I thought he played well overall but this card def fits with his play. It was good, but something was missing. Like I even thought for a min that maybe he would put things together on the final day when he voted no-lynch. Kinda like you just need to believe in yourself a bit more Trfel... idk something like that. 8) The Shining + Show Spoiler [Knight of Disks] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/I3e61nD.jpg) This is the outspoken, stubborn individual concerned with succeeding in the world. In the traditional “breadwinning” family, this card represents the breadwinner and Father Figure, who provides for his family and sustains it. In a reading, this card asks you to examine the roles that people with personality may play in your life. Do you know anyone who works hard, plans out their every move carefully, and only takes carefully-calculated risks? This card feels a little off to me and I'm still not really sure how to read it properly. I suppose the "stubborn individual concerned with succeeding in the world" fits well with the shot TS took, but other than that I'm not sure what significance there is here. Didn't suggest a role to me when I first got it, was quite surprised when I realized he was the Vig (which was when he was questioning shape d2) 9) Scott31337 + Show Spoiler [Queen of Swords] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k76XIqt.jpg) The Queen of Swords is Perceptive, able to see to the heart of the matter quickly, and is Just. She is Swift and she is also Independent and an Individualist. She is Confident and Balanced, as well asGraceful and Concerned over the treatment of others. She is Beautiful and people are drawn to her for that as well as her Wisdom. She is Articulate and to the point, able to come up with Clever and Fair solutions to any problem put before her. She is the perfect Diplomat, and one of the vehicles through which the ideals of the Suit of Swords will be brought to Earth. She is very Knowledgeable in the ways of the the human mind. She can be Cruel and Superficial sometimes, as well as Unreliable and sometimes outright Deceitful. She is Focused and will do whatever it takes to bring Peace, Truth, Order, and Justice to the world. King Solomon of Judean fame was a Queen of Swords; an empath whose feelings for others were driven by inspiration from a higher plane; in his case, God. In a reading, this card asks you to examine the role that this personality may play in your life. Do you know anyone who acts as an intermediary between others? Who always comes up with compromises and fair solutions to conflict? Do you know any individualists who others gather around to admire both their beauty and intellect? Do you know anyone who seems to just be good at everything? I have no clue, Scott you get anything from this? I thought you were the Vig kus of this at first >.< 10) Eden1892 + Show Spoiler [6 of Disks: Success] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rw3GkU1.jpg) This card represents also a sort of Quiet Triumph; success can certainly be considered a triumph, but is rarely celebrated like a military victory would be. The kind of triumph this card represents is the more common form of triumph in the real world; that of living comfortably after hard work. In a reading, this card suggests that you examine the role of success, respect, justly earned reward, power, knowledge, and wealth in your life. It asks you to look at your life and think about why you have been successful (or not successful). It advises you to work hard to obtain your reward; lounging around won’t get you anywhere. Are you respected? Do you have any power? Knowledge? Another one I'm not really sure of. Makes me pretty glad Eden got Vig'd N1 though kus he might have been a force to be reckoned with based on his play D1 and what this card suggests. 11) Rsoultin + Show Spoiler [The Magus] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XGTbx7D.jpg) Aka The Magician Honestly I wonder if you guys need this one explained in detail, the magician is the master of his art. He knows all the tricks and will make you gap at his skill while he preforms them. In Tarot he represents one who has mastered everything. Definitly a fitting card for Rsoul and her ability to blend in (also fits perfectly with her role as Lucifer, lol, and the GF) + Show Spoiler + The Magus is an active manipulator, using his intelligence and knowledge to actively manipulate the world around him. The Magus’ chosen tool is the Wand, associating him with Fire – yet at the same time, he is also the epitome of the intellectual, and so is associated also with Air. In his function as the representative of the divine on Earth, he also represents the grounding of divine logic, and so is associated with Earth. In a reading, this card asks you to examine the role that activity, conscious manipulation, and words of wisdom play in your life. It suggests that you think about how messengers have influenced your life, and of how you influence the world around you and project an external image of yourself. Reversed, this card’s energies are blocked, hidden, or twisted somehow; the Magus in your life is hidden, or you do not hear their magic. Maybe you are unconsciously changing the world around you to a far greater extent than you mean to. 12GlowingBear + Show Spoiler [Art] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FIUJw1b.jpg) More Commonly known as Temperance In the Rider-Waite tradition, this idea of moderation comes to the forefront, as the card is called Temperance. The card shows an angel, one foot in and one foot out of the water, pouring liquid in between two vessels, balancing it out. The idea of balance then comes into play, but on a different level than seen in Adjustment; this is not the divine balance of the universe, but rather the need to have a stable equilibrium in one’s own being and existence. The Thoth art shows a two-headed figure – representing two parts of a personality in balance (reinforced by the lion and eagle) – mixing an alchemical brew. Alchemy is the perfect example of the kind of personal balance this card alludes to, and also has an element of crafting something, and of art – the very name of the card! In a reading, this card asks you to examine the role of self-regulation and inner balance in your life. It asks you to think about your relationship to the rest of the world, and to those you care about most. Is your life full? Are your relationships full? Pretty fitting for GB's RB role. It also represents his play pretty well this game. He was both chaotic and ordered in his posting somehow trying to balance out the chaos near EoD enough to get the lynch off him. It kinda worked once... 13) sicklucker + Show Spoiler [Queen of Disks] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E6cN45n.jpg) This card represents the personality that arises from the Watery part of Earth; the passive, intuitive, emotional part of the practical and down-to-earth individual. She is a people-person, who enjoys life and the company of others. She is pleasant to be around, and works hard to get what she needs, and then does not hesitate in enjoying what she has. She has a great knowledge of the practical side of human emotions and feelings, and is able to and often willing to help people with their problems. In a reading, this card asks you to examine the role that people with this personality play in your life. Do you know anybody who seems stuck in his or her life, but does all they can to help others move forward? Anyone who longs of doing better things but seems stuck in a rut? Who others ignore and count as part of the background, yet depend on him or her absolutely? Another not easy to read card. I kinda feel it's fitting for SL though. He's kinda around to hang out, is usually pretty laid back in his approach to games. He'll make good points and do useful things, but on his own time when he feels like it. | ||
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I enjoy it as a method of self-reflection. It's not so much what the cards predict/mean that's important, it's what I get out of the cards and it's reflection of my own thinking... if that makes sense. I feel like it should match up with my mafia playstyle pretty well since I tend to like my gut/intuitive reads and sometimes struggle to find ways to articulate what I'm reading. I feel like doing Tarot reads like this is actually somewhat helpful for doing that. However it is of course not very reliable and my own bias is super likely to influence the read, such as how I said your card suggested you were GF. It wasn't really a lie, but I was leaving out all the positives and deeper meaning behind it. And while I enjoy Tarot, I think I-ching is my favorite method of fortune telling/divination w/e. I-ching is more focused on changing one state into another which is both more true to life than the static Tarot card and also tends to suggests solutions. Like Tarot might suggest you are stuck in a poor state of mind with a card, I-ching would tell you your mind is lost/confused and is changing into a new outlook. The trade off is that I-ching is not very approachable. You throw coins (or sticks if your old school), make hexgrams, consult poetry, construct the hexagram change, review more poetry. Compared to Tarot with fancily drawn cards that are usually fully of symbology and meaning themselves so anyone can look at one and get some semblance of meaning. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 02 2016 19:59 sicklucker wrote: another loss for sicklucker. I must have the lowest winrate honestly. cant remember when i last won Well when you decide your vote in LyLo by "who would I most dislike loosing too?" rather than "who is playing like scum?" ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KEINUth.jpg) Yes I'm a little bitter over PyP still | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 02 2016 10:03 GlowingBear wrote: You should host a tarot themed Mafia I've thought about it before... No idea how it would work, besides just doing Tarot style flavor. | ||
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