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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 27 2016 21:02 GMT
#1921
:/ gg noon
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-27 21:03:54
February 27 2016 21:03 GMT
#1922
Disregard Ritoky best cohost
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 27 2016 21:34 GMT
#1923
Time for some association with Tictock
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On February 16 2016 09:48 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:
On February 16 2016 09:17 Trfel wrote:
Shapelog, why do you not care that I caught mafia

I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol.

But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke).

In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming.

Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game?


This is pretty much what I've been thinking as well.

If anyone cares...
I liked
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On February 16 2016 08:55 Trfel wrote:
I would really like to know what Palmar finds suspicious about Breshke, I'm not seeing anything near a 100% suspicion. That said, Breshke...

What do you think about sicklucker so far? Particularly his first post, since it drew a lot of attention, but you didn't comment on it.

Anyway, I do feel that Palmar is very likely to be town because of meta. As mafia, Palmar doesn't push people in this way. And yes, I still feel comfortable with this read even before seeing the reasons or the followup.

This is a really towny post IMO. Trfel is throwing out an odd townread on someone who is kinda playing like lynchbait (and even backs up the meta-read fairly well in a followup post) while questioning their reads and trying to get further reaction from Bre.

Cool, that's like 4 townreads right there.

Ezy Game.

Here Tictock townreads Trfel for his reads on Palmar/Breshke, and says that Breshke was playing like lynchbait. This could be a point against Breshke but it's probably confirmation bias.

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On February 17 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote:
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On February 17 2016 11:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2016 11:28 Trfel wrote:
I thought you're not lynching Breshke because he is a good devil's advocate?

In your above post, don't you imply that you not lynching Breshke has bearing on Palmar's alignment? (ie his main scumreads are town, and you don't like this) But if I am correct in your reason for not lynching Breshke, why would you be surprised that Palmar doesn't care about this reason if he is town?


pfft

i'm not lynching breshke because when he's a good devil's advocate and looking at everything from all sides he pretty much invariably is town -beats with a wet noodle-

palmar having different reads from me is not related to why i'm reading anyone the way i am; we're just both tone-type players and i've noticed that our reads have been converging more and more as time goes on, even if for different reasons

tbf though usually when we're both town and we differ he's right >> bastard


This is prob the first thing I've seen from Rsoul that I totally agree with.

The town!Bre that I know is never on the frontlines directing town and pushing the game forward, he's more the quite thoughtful guy in the corner who catches stuff that gets overlooked. His activity and the fact that he tends to post small snippets rather than huge cases and reads often makes it hard for people to read him.

Every post I've seen from Bre this game looks like town!Bre to me. Asking questions with purpose, pointing out stuff that others miss (like the last post of his I quoted), and he's showing efforts at solving the game.

This is a really hard townread on Breshke. Also, rsoul townread Breshke in the nested quote.

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Tictock said one time, under the pretense of a tinfoil...
Conclusions:
Breshke is town, idk what Palmar was on about.

Tumble is probably mafia, read progressions suggest an agenda because his main reads/poe list went out the window when his preferred lynch claimed blue.

If Tumble flips red it's much more likely that scott is mafia, but not necessarily true.

Trfel's strong TR on Tumble seems off to me, and it's also possible him being so sure Palmar was town was TMI like palmar suggested. Overall I'm still thinking Trfel is town because he seems to genuinely want to solve the game, but a lot of his reads just don't make sense to me.

Kush is probably also Scum.

Team of Tumble/Scott/Kush actually makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking Tumble is who we start with.

He went from townlean to mafia on me, Trfel is town, Breshke is town, kush is scum, scott is scum.

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On February 19 2016 12:02 Tictock wrote:
For the Flowers though... Just gunna vote who I though was scum last night.

##Vote: Tumblewood

He voted me on D2, when the only serious wagon was GB.

I'm done doing this association read, TL;DR Tictock has been tunneling me since D2, townreading but disagreeing with Trfel all game, townleaning Breshke all game, and townreading rsoul since D2. To you it means more than to me, because he was townleaning/reading all of you and I'm not trying to read myself. Basically, you're all on equal footing in terms of association.
good times for all
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 28 2016 01:49 GMT
#1924
Posting to avoid modkill. Voting for Breshke for now. Hopefully I can get better internet soon, I'm looking into it. I'll look through some stuff then.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 28 2016 04:12 GMT
#1925
bueno... :/

i mean i do think bresh is the most likely scum here, but all this auto-lynching stuff gives me the heebie jeebies. tumble, dude, what does that post really mean?

i guess the better way to put it is...what do you get out of it, in the sense that what were you expecting to find to indicate a scum mate with TT?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 28 2016 04:41 GMT
#1926
On February 28 2016 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
bueno... :/

i mean i do think bresh is the most likely scum here, but all this auto-lynching stuff gives me the heebie jeebies. tumble, dude, what does that post really mean?

i guess the better way to put it is...what do you get out of it, in the sense that what were you expecting to find to indicate a scum mate with TT?

Well, you know how sometimes people make association reads based on how a flipped scum acted toward suspects? I thought there would be something that TT did that could give me insight, but then I gave up and quit because I kept finding nothing in TT's filter (that was also 13 pages) to indicate the alignments of Trfel, Breshke, or you.
good times for all
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 28 2016 05:05 GMT
#1927
On February 28 2016 13:41 Tumblewood wrote:
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On February 28 2016 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
bueno... :/

i mean i do think bresh is the most likely scum here, but all this auto-lynching stuff gives me the heebie jeebies. tumble, dude, what does that post really mean?

i guess the better way to put it is...what do you get out of it, in the sense that what were you expecting to find to indicate a scum mate with TT?

Well, you know how sometimes people make association reads based on how a flipped scum acted toward suspects? I thought there would be something that TT did that could give me insight, but then I gave up and quit because I kept finding nothing in TT's filter (that was also 13 pages) to indicate the alignments of Trfel, Breshke, or you.


well...yeah, i've gone through it, too, and the most i really got from it is he seemed to not really know what to do with gb lol >< which at least suggests that you're town?

cause like...gb is a much easier buss than you would be i'd think, and it would be weird for his awkwardness with one scum mate to not be shared with the other. so there's that
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 28 2016 05:06 GMT
#1928
oh, fuck it lol >< i can always move it later, but i'm prob just being a paranoid ninny anyway
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 28 2016 11:19 GMT
#1929
Vote Count - Day 5


Breshke (3): Trfel, Tumblewood, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Breshke

At this time, Breshke is slated to be lynched.
Day 4 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 29 2016 05:25 GMT
#1930
Yeah, I doubt I will have time to do anything before the lynch. However, I am not going to end up being modkilled (talked to some comp sci person and got a fancy internet thing set up) and I would prefer to no-lynch if that is okay with everyone?

##vote no lynch

I don't like how Breshke has vanished completely, I'm not confident that this is mafia indicative for him. I really wish he could be here to answer questions, I feel that it would help a lot.

The only concern is, if we no-lynch and Breshke gets modkilled and he's town, we lose, right? But that's basically the same as if we lynched him, which is the alternative anyway, so I don't think this matters?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 29 2016 06:13 GMT
#1931
On February 29 2016 14:25 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, I doubt I will have time to do anything before the lynch. However, I am not going to end up being modkilled (talked to some comp sci person and got a fancy internet thing set up) and I would prefer to no-lynch if that is okay with everyone?

##vote no lynch

I don't like how Breshke has vanished completely, I'm not confident that this is mafia indicative for him. I really wish he could be here to answer questions, I feel that it would help a lot.

The only concern is, if we no-lynch and Breshke gets modkilled and he's town, we lose, right? But that's basically the same as if we lynched him, which is the alternative anyway, so I don't think this matters?


honestly, truffle, i think you're town lol >< and if bresh gets modkilled and is town then yes...pretty sure that means we lose

do you honestly think this will help? like, either bresh will come back and can answer questions or he won't and the game's already decided one way or another...if you think either tumble or myself could be scum, then maybe you should just look into that?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 29 2016 07:05 GMT
#1932
If breshke is modkilled, does it happen before EOD?
good times for all
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 29 2016 07:24 GMT
#1933
On February 29 2016 15:13 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2016 14:25 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, I doubt I will have time to do anything before the lynch. However, I am not going to end up being modkilled (talked to some comp sci person and got a fancy internet thing set up) and I would prefer to no-lynch if that is okay with everyone?

##vote no lynch

I don't like how Breshke has vanished completely, I'm not confident that this is mafia indicative for him. I really wish he could be here to answer questions, I feel that it would help a lot.

The only concern is, if we no-lynch and Breshke gets modkilled and he's town, we lose, right? But that's basically the same as if we lynched him, which is the alternative anyway, so I don't think this matters?


honestly, truffle, i think you're town lol >< and if bresh gets modkilled and is town then yes...pretty sure that means we lose

do you honestly think this will help? like, either bresh will come back and can answer questions or he won't and the game's already decided one way or another...if you think either tumble or myself could be scum, then maybe you should just look into that?
I think it's possible that I'm wrong? I'm really good at being wrong?

I mean, I kinda want to look at things again because regardless of who is mafia, it's a very winnable game. I just feel bad not doing so I get that it drags out the game and is super boring and makes the obs QT really mad if it actually is just Breshke (which I still think is really likely), but we all know it's technically the correct play?

Like, I don't need to no-lynch, but I feel really guilty not doing so, if that makes sense? Because then it's very much my fault if we lose.

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Also, I kind of wonder if Breshke is mafia, how was there a night kill? It didn't seem like Breshke was present at all, so was the kill randomized, or did he submit a kill and not actually post anything (feels out of character)? Or is he actually town?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 29 2016 07:25 GMT
#1934
Oh, and Tumblewood, Breshke's modkill wouldn't happen until End of Day.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 29 2016 07:31 GMT
#1935
On February 29 2016 16:24 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2016 15:13 rsoultin wrote:
On February 29 2016 14:25 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, I doubt I will have time to do anything before the lynch. However, I am not going to end up being modkilled (talked to some comp sci person and got a fancy internet thing set up) and I would prefer to no-lynch if that is okay with everyone?

##vote no lynch

I don't like how Breshke has vanished completely, I'm not confident that this is mafia indicative for him. I really wish he could be here to answer questions, I feel that it would help a lot.

The only concern is, if we no-lynch and Breshke gets modkilled and he's town, we lose, right? But that's basically the same as if we lynched him, which is the alternative anyway, so I don't think this matters?


honestly, truffle, i think you're town lol >< and if bresh gets modkilled and is town then yes...pretty sure that means we lose

do you honestly think this will help? like, either bresh will come back and can answer questions or he won't and the game's already decided one way or another...if you think either tumble or myself could be scum, then maybe you should just look into that?
I think it's possible that I'm wrong? I'm really good at being wrong?

I mean, I kinda want to look at things again because regardless of who is mafia, it's a very winnable game. I just feel bad not doing so I get that it drags out the game and is super boring and makes the obs QT really mad if it actually is just Breshke (which I still think is really likely), but we all know it's technically the correct play?

Like, I don't need to no-lynch, but I feel really guilty not doing so, if that makes sense? Because then it's very much my fault if we lose.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, I kind of wonder if Breshke is mafia, how was there a night kill? It didn't seem like Breshke was present at all, so was the kill randomized, or did he submit a kill and not actually post anything (feels out of character)? Or is he actually town?

+ Show Spoiler +
given damdy said kills are mandatory and the hosts just discussed RNGing the lynch with HTS's last game if scum doesn't submit a kill? not sure that the nk says anything one way or another lol ><


well i mean, technically we can no lynch but it's not fundamentally different? then you know assuming bresh doesn't get modkilled you or i get shot lol >< and i personally can't play next day phase cause EoD falls on a thursday...which is really awful in lylo

so no i don't really want to no-lynch, especially when bresh is still afk...i could see the point if he were here and we wanted the extra time -shrugs-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 29 2016 07:37 GMT
#1936
basically as long as bresh remains afk we are living in a world where we have to lynch scum this phase because we have to assume that he will be modkilled at EoD

a no-lynch is tantamount to a concession :/

i am making sense, right?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 29 2016 15:29 GMT
#1937
Meh, if you still can't play next phase, then fine. I'm not lynching Tumblewood anyway, it would just be between Breshke and you (rsoultin).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 29 2016 15:31 GMT
#1938
Like, rsoultin, I think that you're town because of having a much larger post count than necessary to survive early on. And for many of those posts like "I'll vote for Palmar but if you're wrong, you'll have to play a game with Lex and I", which don't feel like they're part of a natural town mindset.

But it's also quite possible that this is completely incorrect, and this isn't really a possibility that I've looked into yet
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 29 2016 15:31 GMT
#1939
What I gather is that the best way to do this is to lynch someone (rsoul?) and let Breshke get modkilled. From my perspective, that's a 90%ish chance we hit mafia.
good times for all
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 29 2016 15:33 GMT
#1940
On March 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
What I gather is that the best way to do this is to lynch someone (rsoul?) and let Breshke get modkilled. From my perspective, that's a 90%ish chance we hit mafia.
This is really bad if Breshke is actually here and votes at the very last second and is mafia. It gives him a free win. Even if it seems like Breshke just isn't here, that would be the worst way to lose.

And I really don't feel that playing for modkills is a good thing to do anyway.
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