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I actually did manage to read your filter while at work over the past day or so and didn't find hardly anything behind your reads. What you told me here was actually one of the more in-depth reads I find in your filter.
On February 22 2016 07:53 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 07:32 Tictock wrote:
Actually It would be nice if everyone who is scumreading scott can give me a breif explanation why. Process of elimination. Complete lack of content. Not a single scumread.
I'm wondering if you can finally explain why you've been scumreading me all game,
On February 19 2016 03:31 nooniansoong wrote:
Tt is still mafia though. Nothing townie in his filter. How tinfoil looks takes. I know he likes to tinfoil as scum I think. Opportunistic scum reads which I'll explain later.
but actually I'm most interested in what caused you to flip that read here.
On February 19 2016 12:31 nooniansoong wrote:
I agree tt. I thinking you're town now for reasons I'd rather not communicate (cause it would be hard to gather them)
But I agree ignoring the blue shit is probably the best course.
My take aways from the whole eon affair: Shining is confirmed town, shape probably town, and gbs shenanigans nai
Your filter is full of reads you'll explain later and you mostly just seem to be running PoE as far as I can tell.
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On February 24 2016 10:54 Trfel wrote:@Tictock:1. At the start of the game, you said that you found sicklucker's posts interesting. However, you didn't follow up by asking any questions for him or working on your read on him until the night before the deadline, where you finally looked at his filter. If his play was so interesting, why this delay? 2. What happened to your suspicion of Shapelog on Day 1? This post doesn't show it, despite you showing suspicions of Shapelog not long before. 3. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the thought process behind your tinfoil post. Before this post, you were thinking that scott31337 was town because of the spread vote count. So, you went into the tinfoil post with the assumption that scott31337 is scum, right? And came out with the conclusion that scott31337, Tumblewood, and nooniansoong is a sensible scum team. So, what I don't get is, why do you go with this assumption and vote for Tumblewood, if you had reason to believe that scott31337 is town and never showed why this is wrong? And why vote for Tumblewood and not scott31337 to begin with?
1) If I recall right I was talking about his opening posts, the dear diary interesting? It was a style of posting I've never seen SL do, so I mentioned it to remind me to check his filter later. It was pg 1 post 2 though? it wasn't worth interrogating him for
2) I townread Shape early on for reacting to your Eden case with almost exactly my thinking. There was other stuff too like how he was messing around with me a little but staying fairly focused. I was guessing from his last scum game that he'd prob run with the chance to talk nonsense and spam, but he didn't.
3) Yea, so basically the first part of that tinfoil (before the silly intermission pic) I was talking out my ass before I'd really caught up with the game. You are correct that I was taking the opposite stance from my initial conclusion that D1 was probably TvT. I realized that it was ofc stupid to do that before actually catching up with the game, so I went back to reread and filled in that post with what I found relevant to how the Shape wagon built and then how the votes went after shape claimed blue.
From that reading I came to my conclusions that Tumble was likely scum based on his voting and his reasons for doing so.
I've avoided making any more tinfoil posts due to how terribly I flowered that one up.
Though BTW, I do tinfoil as scum + Show Spoiler +... but I also do it as town.
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On February 24 2016 11:23 nooniansoong wrote:
I will address your issues With me tomorrow tt.
Ok, but can you also tell me about why you suggested a shot on Scott then changed to GB?
On February 18 2016 12:14 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 11:50 The Shining wrote:On February 18 2016 11:32 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist
ticktock
GB
scott
breshke
rsoul
Hmmm. Hypothetical. You have a gun. Who do you shoot? Probably Scott. I'm a believer in shooting inactive people.
Again, in particular what caused you to TR Scott earlier, then what caused you to drop it?
On February 18 2016 20:09 nooniansoong wrote:
Shining ask a dumb question you gonna get a dumb answer.
I actually town read Scott at the time for a dumb reason.
Now my read is somewhere between scummy, dunno, and town.
So I change my imaginary shot to gb.
I'd also really like to know why you decided to pressure Shape to claim D1. You seemed pretty aggressive about it, but you were only voting him for a joke?
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On February 24 2016 11:27 Breshke wrote:
Could people please tell me what they are currently reading me as
I'll give your filter a once over, but my gut read on you feels pretty strong even with that post I didn't like.
I think trying to read you by activity alone is pretty stupid. I try to look at how you are asking questions, what kinds of things you are asking about, are the questions leading or are then genuine. That sorta stuff.
Actually I've never really read any of your scumgames... that's probably a thing I should do (time permitting) since we need to be fairly certain for our next couple of lynches.
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On February 24 2016 11:40 Trfel wrote:Tictock, follow-up questions: Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 15:52 Tictock wrote:On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote:ehh I have a problem with these two posts. On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:On February 16 2016 09:17 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, why do you not care that I caught mafia  I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol. But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke). In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming. Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game? On February 16 2016 23:19 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Sick Mafia Stat that while it has not…] +
OK so this is great. I was reading R-Girl's Filter and This pop into my head. This is comptlely Off topic and I highly suggest to you to NOT reply to this. IT will clog up the thread and my filter with useless crap. Only thing worth noting is the end.
SUPPOSE THAT THE MILLERS are NOT Aware. Cheekey right? I mean we have had everyone post and no one claimed. What if mafia posts a list like Eden's. Saying the Millers sound aware (while knowing somehow either by mafia knowledge or host question). and THEN having their partner claim Miller? Sure, they might run into problems later on. But that would be a amazing play.
IMPORTANT INFO
So, While I am all for Millers to claim if they are aware. I think we need to be careful since we do not actually know if Millers are really Millers. And if we have a DT, they can not check. Further more, we need to see if there is any associative behavior with the person who claims Miller and with people like Eden who assumes Millers are aware.
the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape This is actually a really good point. I thought that tinfoil was off, but I was thinking more because it was silly to keep talking about the miller stuff when nobody claimed. Also if Eden was mafia I'd imagine he would have just claimed Miller himself and let us sort out that they are in fact aware. + Show Spoiler +ok actually I have no idea if Eden would do that as scum (never played with the guy/gal before), but I'm pretty sure I would have Ugh, I didn't want to have to go look at Shapes mafia filter, but I'm getting the feeling I may need to. What happened to this?
I REALLY didn't want to...
prob something I would have done N1 if he hadn't claimed blue
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On February 24 2016 11:47 Trfel wrote:Darn it Tictock, I really want you to be scum, but I'm just not seeing it right now Maybe my analysis stinks, but bleh. I can see Tictock's play from a town perspective and I don't have any great reasons to think otherwise. Mostly just the association with GlowingBear and a potential argument that he's following instead of leading? Which are valid arguments, but feel like I'm stretching. Meh, I'll look into Breshke.
Are you just trying to hurt my feelings? Or is this because it would make the game easier?
When have I ever lead a game besides the final day in PYP? + Show Spoiler +Side note: That was also the only game I got GB's alignment correct + Show Spoiler +
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Lets look at some Vote Stuff!
So EoD1 was this:
Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (4): nooniansoong, sicklucker, Shapelog, rsoultin, sicklucker, Tictock, Eden1892, Tumblewood scott31337 (4): sicklucker, Trfel, Breshke, rsoultin, sicklucker GlowingBear (2): nooniansoong, scott31337, nooniansoong Breshke(1): PalmarTumblewood (1): The Shining, sickluckernooniansoong (1): GlowinBear Trfel (0): ShapelogEden1892 (0): Trfel, sickluckerSicklucker(0): Tictock, Palmar, GlowingBear, ShapelogThe Shining (0): Eden1892, sickluckerShapelog (0): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong, Breshke, Tumblewood
D1 was Town v Town and mafia apparently felt really comfortable. I think the fact that GB was voting off-wagon is interesting since he actually was pretty close to being a serious wagon.
Here was the voting at :50 (10 min till deadline)
Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (3): nooniansoong, sicklucker, Shapelog, rsoultin, sicklucker Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, Palmar, GlowingBear, ShapelogGlowingBear(2): nooniansoong, scott31337, nooniansoong scott31337 (2): sicklucker, Trfel, Breshke The Shining (1): Eden1892, sickluckerBreshke(1): Palmar Shapelog (1): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong, Breshke, Tumblewood Tumblewood (1): The Shining, sickluckerTrfel (0): ShapelogEden1892 (0): Trfel, sicklucker
At this point it was anyone's guess who the lynch was going to be.
Next votes are Me -> Palmar, GB -> Kush, Rsoul -> Scott
My vote looks bad, but I think Rsoul has to be town for this swap because if she is scum with GB she just made it more likely he could be lynched literally minuets before deadline.
After that it was Tumble and Eden onto Palmar that ended D1.
Unless the last 2 mafia are Rsoul/Tumble(I'd need to look into this) I think Rsoul has to be town from this.
D2:
Vote Count - Day 2 TumbleWood(1): Breshke, Ticktock, GlowingbearThe Shining(0): BreshkeGlowingbear(8): The Shining, nooniansoong, Trfel, Rsoultin, TickTock, scott31337, shapelog, tumblewood Scott31337(1): Rsoultin, Breshke Rsoultin(0): GlowingBear
GB's vote is a giant pile of WIFOM that I'm not sure I really want to go near. Breshke being off-wagon is interesting but a rather unlikely place to find mafia (+ Show Spoiler +or is it a genius place for mafia to hide!
D3:
Vote Count - Day 3 scott31337 (5): Trfel, Breshke, nooniansoong, rsoultin, The Shining Tumblewood (1): Tictock Breshke (1): scott31337 Not Voting (1): Tumblewood At this time, scott31337 is slated to be lynched.Day 2 ends in on 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
Not sure if this tells us anything? Tumble not voting is weird, he mentioned that he forgot to check-in at deadline before is this like a weird going out of his way to prove it thing? He seemed to strongly support the scott lynch too...
Well based on VCA I think Tumble is still the most likely mafia here. + Show Spoiler +I still think it would be amazing if Kush and GB did double bus and Kush is playing this like a champ.
It is a bold move from a scum!Kush to push Shape to claim and then insta-vote his scummate when he does. The way Kush was pushing Shape to claim was pretty weird though.
I honestly feel like GB's play makes no sense this game unless he basically wanted to be lynched, which highly suggests a big bus play like that to me.
Atm I see no reason why a GB/Kush/Tumble team is impossible, but I haven't really looked into associations here.
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On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote:
@Trfel, in response to your question:
I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game.
You are either very confused or are lying out your ass right here.
I also can't help but notice that you have a NULL read on me at this point? It's so weird to me that I've been pushing you all game and you keep saying I'm kinda towny... If you are town you should be fucking concerned about my alignment and trying to convince me that I'm wrong or lynch me respectively.
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On February 18 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:I have more pictures, but they're going in a spoiler this time. Official scumlist is Shape, SL, and GB. + Show Spoiler +
Like I'm pretty sure it says "protip bad read" next to Trfel's Eden and Palmar reads in those notes...
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Oh I guess he did post that after Palmar had flipped (but before Eden!?!)
Actually this begs the question, Tumble did you make those notes only after deadline?
I had been under the impression you were making them all day, but now see there wasn't one for Palmar.
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I'll do filters tomorrow, but would like some responses to what I've posted re:
@ Kush
+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2016 11:03 Tictock wrote:I actually did manage to read your filter while at work over the past day or so and didn't find hardly anything behind your reads. What you told me here was actually one of the more in-depth reads I find in your filter. Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 07:53 nooniansoong wrote:On February 22 2016 07:32 Tictock wrote:
Actually It would be nice if everyone who is scumreading scott can give me a breif explanation why. Process of elimination. Complete lack of content. Not a single scumread. I'm wondering if you can finally explain why you've been scumreading me all game, Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 03:31 nooniansoong wrote:
Tt is still mafia though. Nothing townie in his filter. How tinfoil looks takes. I know he likes to tinfoil as scum I think. Opportunistic scum reads which I'll explain later. but actually I'm most interested in what caused you to flip that read here. Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 12:31 nooniansoong wrote:
I agree tt. I thinking you're town now for reasons I'd rather not communicate (cause it would be hard to gather them)
But I agree ignoring the blue shit is probably the best course.
My take aways from the whole eon affair: Shining is confirmed town, shape probably town, and gbs shenanigans nai Your filter is full of reads you'll explain later and you mostly just seem to be running PoE as far as I can tell. On February 24 2016 11:35 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 11:23 nooniansoong wrote:
I will address your issues With me tomorrow tt. Ok, but can you also tell me about why you suggested a shot on Scott then changed to GB? Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 12:14 nooniansoong wrote:On February 18 2016 11:50 The Shining wrote:On February 18 2016 11:32 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist
ticktock
GB
scott
breshke
rsoul
Hmmm. Hypothetical. You have a gun. Who do you shoot? Probably Scott. I'm a believer in shooting inactive people. Again, in particular what caused you to TR Scott earlier, then what caused you to drop it? Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 20:09 nooniansoong wrote:
Shining ask a dumb question you gonna get a dumb answer.
I actually town read Scott at the time for a dumb reason.
Now my read is somewhere between scummy, dunno, and town.
So I change my imaginary shot to gb. I'd also really like to know why you decided to pressure Shape to claim D1. You seemed pretty aggressive about it, but you were only voting him for a joke?
My VCA Post Here
And @ Tumble:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2016 15:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote:
@Trfel, in response to your question:
I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game. You are either very confused or are lying out your ass right here. I also can't help but notice that you have a NULL read on me at this point? It's so weird to me that I've been pushing you all game and you keep saying I'm kinda towny... If you are town you should be fucking concerned about my alignment and trying to convince me that I'm wrong or lynch me respectively. On February 24 2016 15:27 Tictock wrote:
Oh I guess he did post that after Palmar had flipped (but before Eden!?!)
Actually this begs the question, Tumble did you make those notes only after deadline?
I had been under the impression you were making them all day, but now see there wasn't one for Palmar.
Oh and @ Breshke What gives?
On February 24 2016 11:27 Breshke wrote:
Could people please tell me what they are currently reading me as
On February 24 2016 12:08 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone know if we can no lynch?
You are kinda just floating in the thread here but not doing anything.
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So I made some Tarot Checks on my scum reads last night. Here is my results.
Kush: The Hierophant
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0ulgfSC.jpg)
+ Show Spoiler +The Hierophant is a symbol for a world of belief and confession, may it be a church, a sect or an occult society. He's the pope, the druid or the High Priest in a system of creeds and dogmas. He represents the religious and intellectual tradition of a person, and may be the one the person is born to it or possibly the one who has chosen it by himself. So he's like a man of god... a Godfather! There is also this connection to a sect, or occult society. Sounds a lot like a mafia team to me.
Tumble: Ace of Cups
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fzECQ0h.jpg)
+ Show Spoiler +The Ace of Cups represents the beginning of love, fertility and creativity. It is a card to inspire confidence and happiness. When it turns up a reading of an everyday nature it can indicate the start of a loving relationship (of either the romantic or friendship variety); it can represent the beginning of a project in which a great deal of loving energy is invested (rather like the beginning of angelpaths); or sometimes it can reveal conception - the beginning of a new life. This actually suggests Tumble is town, his first game on this site was as scum so the "new beginning" here would suggest his first town game
I think the proper play today is pretty clear...
##Vote: Kush
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On February 24 2016 15:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 15:16 Tictock wrote:On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote:
@Trfel, in response to your question:
I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game. You are either very confused or are lying out your ass right here. I also can't help but notice that you have a NULL read on me at this point? It's so weird to me that I've been pushing you all game and you keep saying I'm kinda towny... If you are town you should be fucking concerned about my alignment and trying to convince me that I'm wrong or lynch me respectively. There are two kinds of people in the game: town, and scum. [citation needed] If you are town, you could see me as scummy for my actions in this game. If you are scum, you could be trying to push a mislynch on me. I do not know which of those two is correct. You and Breshke could be pushing for a final mislynch on me, or one or both of you could be town. I cannot tell which is true, hence the null read. Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 15:27 Tictock wrote:
Oh I guess he did post that after Palmar had flipped (but before Eden!?!)
Actually this begs the question, Tumble did you make those notes only after deadline?
I had been under the impression you were making them all day, but now see there wasn't one for Palmar. After deadline, I was really confused what to think on everyone because I didn't know where everyone stood, so I sorted it on paper.
Ok I can see the thing about me being null to you I guess, but I kinda don't like your answer about the notes.
You are saying you made them to help "sort people out" but I don't really see any evidence of those notes going anywhere. When you posted your final set of notes you did say your scumteam was Shape/SL/GB, but you only explained the read on Shape.
On February 18 2016 12:34 Tumblewood wrote:
The blue claim is the only reason I'm hesitant to lynch him. He didn't claim a specific role, though, leaving no possibility of a CC and making it generally harder to disprove. I think he'll have the chance to prove himself if he is a blue role.
Which doesn't even sound like a scumread...
After you post those lists you made that post and this one:
On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not.
The bolded lines here stand out to me, kus the first one is fairly untrue given when you did place your vote (at that point (:58) it was 4v3v2) and then wasn't the lynch on Palmar largely policy too? Can you explain to me why Palmar was a different quality of lynch over the other 3?
But getting back to the notes, you don't mention them again till these posts.
On February 20 2016 09:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm looking back through my notes and the main reason I was scumreading GB was his townreads on Shape. Now that Shape is blue claimed, I feel a little worse about that read.
On February 20 2016 09:53 Tumblewood wrote:
Never mind
Scum can be correct for shitty reasons too
So your main reason to scumread GB wasn't good, but he could still be scum and you voted for him. This is a really weird progression to me and I see no efforts from you to discuss GB, or even any interactions with him at all.
So when I look at this, I see your notes led you to think Shape/SL/GB were scum, but shape claimed blue and then SL was the NK, so you are left with GB. You don't react at all to GB's crazyness at the start of D2, but then make those posts about your read on him being bad but he still might be scum anyway, seems like you almost wanted to defend him but then realized that wasn't a good move.
Plus I still think it's a lie that you say "I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time" to Trfel as an explanation for your Palmar vote + Show Spoiler +Trfel was like the only person to hard townread Palmar, and pretty early too, plus he also showed no interest in any of Trfel's reads going into EoD
On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote:
@Trfel, in response to your question:
I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game.
The bolded line here is also pretty scummy. He wasn't pressed to try and work things out at deadline, but to "act like I had insight"
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On February 24 2016 15:56 Breshke wrote:
What is thew most damming thing that makes you think kush is scum. Lets start there.
So the Big things to me (before I've gotten caught up or reviewed things):
- Lack of reasoning behind reads, Kush's reads sometimes seem to change on a whim and he really only explains them when pushed. I also don't like how often he downplays his own reads (calling them bad, tec) because it's like he's just excusing himself for them being wrong later on.
- Based his main scumreads based on pre-flip associations with GB. This prob doesn't seem bad to the rest of you since it seems like I'm in everyones PoE list, but from my perspective it looks like Kush was pushing 2 town based on one scum flip. Guess how many lynches scum needed after GB flipped?
- Pushing Shape to claim. I missed this when it first happened and didn't get back to it till much later (and I was half writting my tinfoil when I did read these pages so I think I was focused on other stuff), but the way that Kush voted for Shape, pushed Shape to claim, and then specify his claim all looks super scummy. Like his vote on Shape was shit, then he takes advantage of Shapes situation by pushing him to claim. I can't see why town!Kush would do any of this, it's really bad play as town kus it just gave scum one of our blue roles for nothing.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote on Shape] +On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote:
um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? On February 18 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote:
##Unvote
##vote shapelog He votes shape, kus he thinks shape is voting over a joke... so Kush is voting Shape over a joke... Also without waiting for shape to answer
There are a few other small things that bug me in Kush's filter but those are def the big ones.
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On February 25 2016 03:00 Trfel wrote:
And Tictock, if you don't mind, I'd like to go back to this.
So when you went into that tinfoil post, before it you were thinking that scott31337 was town because the Day 1 votes suggested Town vs Town. Then you decided that making this conclusion was bad before you read more carefully, right?
So, I'm assuming that by the end of the tinfoil post, you'd read everything? So, what was your conclusion about scott31337's alignment, and why? And how and why did your previous read on the Day 1 lynch being town vs town change?
Here's the deal Trfel, I still thought TvT was most likely after my tinfoil, tinfoiling about scott being scum doesn't make him scum or influence my read, I just wanted to explore possibilities.
At the end of my reading, checking into why people voted, what their read progression was, etc, I was pretty focused on Tumble. I thought even disregarding the tinfoil his vote and reads were the most sus. That read on him was also independent of anyone else's alignment so that's why it was the main read I pushed.
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On February 25 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On February 25 2016 05:45 Trfel wrote:
Haha, TL Mafia basically never uses three blue setups. The latest one I remember was masons + 1-shot cop. Aka, three really weak blues. And since it's no-lynch allowed, not no-shoot, it's almost certainly two-blue setup.
Rsoultin, weren't you scumreading nooniansoong a few days back? What happened to that? What about Tumblewood, weren't you calling my townread of Tumblewood stupid? lol gb flipped? + Show Spoiler +it was actually how he reacted to my one post >> kinda flippant but still trying to calm me down. not sure how to explain that and it's probably just pure bias, but whatever i still don't think that your reasons are good enough for the hard townread you've had on tumble all game, but i have to grudgingly admit you're probably right >> just given the game state The game state? What do you mean? Anyway, here's one example of the kind of thing that makes me think that Tictock is scum. Tinfoil post saying he wants to lynch Tumblewood, @4:36 EST [lots of commenting] [more commenting] [some reads but nothing pointed] Voting for who he thought was scum last night (Tumblewood), @22:02 EST So, a bit over 17 hours later, after a ton of commenting on things, he votes for the same person as he thought before, for the exact same reasons? Things to check: 1. How much did Tictock push Tumblewood relative to the wagon on GlowingBear? Did he throw out a read and not talk about it much while the GlowingBear wagon wasn't there, or was this after the GlowingBear wagon was already going? If the former, it's suspicious how his activity with regards to this push increased later. 2. Why didn't Tumblewood push any of the other lynches as much as he did the Tumblewood wagon? He seemed to be making a fuss over this, which I definitely don't remember him making Day 1 (would have thought he'd want to lynch sicklucker) or Day 3 (not lynching scott, lynching Tumble isntead). It's a bit hard for me to tell if he actually was trying to defend scott or not, but maybe comparing his push on Tumble D2 and the defense of scott D3 shows something.
Why are you disregarding that I put my vote on Tumble out of having no clue what to make of the claims situation?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote:
Well I'm caught up and pretty confused.
GB why would you fake claim, the vote the person who counterclaimed you?
But then that means Shining as town shot Eden? I guess scum shooting SL kus he hinted at being blue kinda makes sense...
Idk this is really weird. On February 19 2016 12:02 Tictock wrote:
For the Flowers though... Just gunna vote who I though was scum last night.
##Vote: Tumblewood Which was me throwing my hands up and leaving the game for a little while. When I came back... On February 19 2016 12:27 Tictock wrote:Ok so like your Vig shot was kinda bad last game too Shining, but geez. Yolo plays is such a bad reason for that shot GB's play is just WTF. Which I think means I need to ignore it... Though I'll note these WTF feelings in later reads. I suggest we ignore anymore Blue stuff, and get back on track? Yea in retrospect I should have kept pushing the fact that GB voted for Shining while fake claiming, but none of what he did made sense as scum so I just tried to ignore it.
You've had time to check that stuff you wanted to now... what did you find?
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On February 25 2016 06:29 Trfel wrote:So, to finish what I started in this post. Much of what Tictock posted about his suspicion of Tumblewood was actually reactive. He responded to townreads that I posted about Tumblewood and ways that his read was directly questioned. His tone towards the Tumblewood lynch and the force with which he pushes it changes here, once it starts feeling like GlowingBear will be lynched. And while his push on Tumblewood was of moderate involvement, his defense of scott and push onto Tumblewood on Day 3 seems almost nonexistant. This strongly suggests that Tictock is mafia. Thoughts? Did I mess up? I feel like End of Night disrupted my thought process a bit is the logic sensible?
Ah ok, you did.
My involvement D3 was pretty low kus it was clear nobody agreed with me and most people thought I was scum so were prob ignoring half the stuff I said anyways.
Didn't stop me from saying what I thought though, by why would I waste my time pushing stuff when I'm half being ignored?
Why is it weird that I kept pushing my main scumread when I wasn't very sure what to do with GB?
IIRC at that point I was also waiting to see if GB did anything that might explain why he would fake claim, or just anything in general. Guess I learned this game that Troll!GB = Scum!GB
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On February 25 2016 10:18 Tumblewood wrote:
TT, a townie in this situation is not using tarot cards to determine his vote. No decent townie would in any other situation, but... this is MyLo.
Kinda how I'd expect mafia to react to my Tarot.
Pushing me as scum without really saying I'm scum.
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On February 25 2016 11:11 nooniansoong wrote:@yo TT I don't get your townread on breshke. Show nested quote +Feels like the Breshke that I remember. Sometimes awkward but pushes for info and talks things out with people in a logical way. I haven't seen a scum game from him recently, but I know he feels awkward in a QT with extra info. Up till that last post I don't see any signs of agenda in his posts.
can we get some specific examples of him being logical? He had that bad looking post. You haven't seen a scum game from him recently, so you don't know his meta well. He has really low activity. Your townread of him isn't jiving.
I've seen Bre more inactive than this as town before (+ Show Spoiler +and I pushed him as scum and ended up being mislynched for having soft defended scum D1 and then reaching to make reads, like my one on Bre that game
Like I said earlier to Bre, my gut read on him being town has been strong but I don't recall anything in particular that made me go "God, this guy is so town..."
+ Show Spoiler +This is actually really similar to how I was reading Shining and SL near the end of PYP as well. It was just based on how they'd come off to me as I'd be reading the game (gut read) and I'd never really looked through their filter prior to the final day.
Filter dives is still on my list of shit to do.
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On February 25 2016 13:04 Tumblewood wrote:
I have nothing to ask you to clue me in to your identity, and it feels a little silly to ask you about Breshke when I could gather information on Breshke myself. So, Breshke...
Yeah, I have no questions right now. Except maybe on what the point of the whole tarot thing was.
You are probably scum since you don't seem to be trying to figuer out anyone's alignments today...
But since you're the only one who reacted to my tarot I'll discuss it.
I was looking for reactions, either to how I was claiming to be using the cards to base my reads today or to the fact that I was kinda suddenly swapping my read on you with that.
There was still one thing I wanted to see if anyone picked up on or more precisely reacted to the way I thought Town should...
I'm actually really surprised nobody has, and I think Bre is the only one who hasn't posted since I dropped that post.
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