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On February 17 2016 11:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 11:35 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2016 11:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2016 11:28 Trfel wrote:
I thought you're not lynching Breshke because he is a good devil's advocate?
In your above post, don't you imply that you not lynching Breshke has bearing on Palmar's alignment? (ie his main scumreads are town, and you don't like this) But if I am correct in your reason for not lynching Breshke, why would you be surprised that Palmar doesn't care about this reason if he is town? pfft i'm not lynching breshke because when he's a good devil's advocate and looking at everything from all sides he pretty much invariably is town -beats with a wet noodle- palmar having different reads from me is not related to why i'm reading anyone the way i am; we're just both tone-type players and i've noticed that our reads have been converging more and more as time goes on, even if for different reasons tbf though usually when we're both town and we differ he's right >> bastard Okay, that makes more sense. To be honest, I didn't see your scumreads on Shapelog and scott31337... yay for me. I'll take a look when I go through stuff again, but I thought that Shapelog genuinely enjoyed playing as mafia? So I'm not sure why his happiness would be forced regardless of alignment. But I'm really bad with this stuff anyway, you probably know what you're talking about. lol >< no clue about shape tbh, just that i got a forced feel from his "jocularity" i haven't played with him that i recall, which is why i've been trying to get people to talk about him :/ i'd like to hear more from scott before i string him up, though To be honest, I have no memory of scott31337's play, really.... I have no clue how to read him, but I don't remember having any trouble reading him either. It's the weirdest thing.
I'm just hesitant to lynch him because I love mislynching him as scum, his play has a few things that are a bit un-emotional and the same as either alignment, it makes him a bit harder to read IMO.
And yes, I'm playing entirely with meta this game, just to annoy you  I wonder how long I can keep this up for.
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I really could be willing to lynch The Shining, though. He had time yesterday and vanished without saying anything.
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On February 16 2016 06:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 06:12 The Shining wrote:On February 16 2016 06:04 sicklucker wrote:
Dear diary
Today I woke up exited to play a game of mafia! Then I looked at the playerlist .. and I was how do you say it. Scared of spam and having alot to read. I also had alot of anxiety about jat calling me names i'm a very fragile emotional person. I hope gb has time because last game he was useless and now I here hes not going have much time again. But you /in'd last. The player list was the same when you did. Why are you just now experiencing these fears? he is the hero town doesn't deserve shining-san ^^ keep up! Like, right after this, The Shining vanished until I asked him a question. And then vanished again.
It feels like his will to play, his desire to be involved, stopped after he got townread. See what I'm getting at?
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On February 17 2016 13:47 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 13:43 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2016 12:45 scott31337 wrote:Catching up --- On February 17 2016 08:14 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, and people get mad at me when I say who I'm suspicious of without posting reasons.
The Shining still hasn't come back, to me this makes his posts feel a bit dry. Suddenly vanishing, in addition to still not having come back, while seeming to be interested in his sicklucker read earlier, feels off to me, however it's quite early in the game and it's possible that he's just suddenly busy or a bit disinterested for some reason. Don't forget about the Shining's Monday/Tuesday no net thing. On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle
what does a truffle sound like?
truffle sounds like a truffle in this game
#circularreasoningftw
also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers
disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha!
2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh Why don't you want to lynch breshke? You really didn't say anything here. I think you're aware of that... On February 17 2016 11:11 Tumblewood wrote:
@rsoul : I the only people I have any real insight on are Trfel, Eden (town), Tictock, kush (townlean), you, Shapelog (null), Palmar, SL (scum).
The other four have been too absent for my tastes... Breshke has been moderately active, stay tuned for a filter dive. So this post from TW is slightly better - he gives his thoughts on what he's thinking - and beyond Breshke since he doesn't know his posting very well, I can agree with quite a bit of it. Maybe TW did roll town this game. On February 17 2016 11:17 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2016 11:10 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle
what does a truffle sound like?
truffle sounds like a truffle in this game
#circularreasoningftw And you say that my reads are useless... lol yeah it's like your palmar one i know ^^ i can explain it more...essentially you approached eden in a way that meets my understanding of your core personality, in the way that you're apologetic and deferential and, yes, self-depreciating this is something i see way more often in your town games than in your scum games (though i don't remember ever seeing it in your scum games lol >< except maybe in a wall of text buried somewhere) like, seriously >< you sit there and tell me in your last game where your reads were mostly spot on that you're doing something wrong because you can't get people to listen to you? lol where is the fun TL mafia arrogance the rest of us have? but it's what makes truffle a truffle Thank you for explaining this - I'd move TW slightly up and maybe noon - and I thought I had too many scumreads like Palmar... The nulls are well still nully - but I think GB has ample opportunity to come back, and Shining should be back in the morning too. also explained bresh, but basically it's a metaread in that when he's looking at things from all sides and voicing the opposite viewpoint (i.e. devil's advocate) he's pretty much always town...plus just a joy to have around but that's another matter altogether ^^ -pokes- i want to know why my nemesis is townreading me...has the world turned inside-out and upside-down? -throws things at shining- he's got a point. suck it up. you were around when you said you wouldn't be, but then poofed, so ye. i'm more interested in your reads once you catch up with the thread of dinky He would have a point if he hadn't called it NAI beforehand, but then changed his mind because I made like 1 serious post and didnt have time to follow it up. I'm working on a reads post, believe in the shine, I'm actually planning on trying this game because I'm tired of certain people that I've been warned for cursing at constantly calling me useless ^^ How great it would be if he's town and gets carried by me. First, I didn't call you useless
Second, if I were convinced you were scum, I'd be voting for you
Third, smileys are great
Fourth, please, go ahead and carry me, that would also be great Not quite as great as smileys, though 
Fifth, you're misrepresenting my argument, and I've already said what I think about that But it's fine, since I don't have a very strong argument anyway, please feel free to do your own thing
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Does anyone else feel that Breshke's opening question and his followup is a bit strange?
Here is the start of the discussion, if anyone is interested.
I don't really know why Breshke asked this question, or what he hoped to gain from it. Breshke later clarified that he didn't get anything alignment indicative out of sicklucker's early posts. It also feels like he let Tictock's answer pass easily, without followup, when I don't feel that Tictock's answer was terribly insightful (he didn't say anything more than the minimum).
I'm probably really overthinking this, but it seems a bit weird to me? To make this a meta read, lack of followup with questions was a trait of Breshke's mafia play in the Fullmetal game
Anyway, I'll probably go to bed soon, I'll try to finish my re-read and figure out who is mafia tomorrow morning ish.
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No salt at all, I really enjoy it when people carry me to victory. Especially because I'm very bad at finding the path to victory myself. I have a special talent for grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'm not suspicious of you for lack of activity, but rather being uninterested in the thread. I realize that this is a vague statement, here is how I arrived at this conclusion.
1. The Shining made a post towards sicklucker early on that seemed to show a desire to be involved
2. Rsoultin then townread The Shining
3. The Shining proceeded to vanish, and them come back to answer a question I asked of him, saying that he can actually play on Monday (contrary to his normal schedule)
4. The Shining then vanished again
The Shining didn't talk about anything else after his first read on sicklucker; no more questions, not getting involved, and he didn't say when he was busy. And then, after saying that he could play and his normal schedule didn't match, he vanished without saying anything.
It's not the activity that is alignment indicative at all. This is NOT a read based on activity. I get an overall impression of disinterest, notably after rsoultin townread him, and THAT is why I have this suspicion.
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On February 17 2016 14:21 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 when exactly did i townread shining? I'm assuming that if you call someone a hero for town, that you mean that they are town?
Even the very worst mafia performances generally wouldn't be considered heroic for town.
I..... can't possibly see how this can be in contention? What's going on?
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On February 17 2016 14:24 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 14:24 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2016 14:21 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 when exactly did i townread shining? I'm assuming that if you call someone a hero for town, that you mean that they are town? Even the very worst mafia performances generally wouldn't be considered heroic for town. I..... can't possibly see how this can be in contention? What's going on? Ah that post. She said I didn't realize that SL was the hero town didn't deserve. Oh.
Well, that's embarrassing.
I don't know why I assumed that rsoultin's grammar was incorrect. I guess probably because incorrect grammar makes more sense with regards to the game there....
I don't even want to ask rsoultin to explain this, I just want to forget that this whole thing ever happened, haha....
I mean, I guess my previously unfounded suspicion of The Shining is now absolute garbage. Yay.
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On February 17 2016 14:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:04 Breshke wrote:On February 16 2016 08:02 Palmar wrote:On February 16 2016 07:34 Breshke wrote:On February 16 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:
I'm here, but just got off work and also thought this was starting later so prob won't be around much till later.
Kinda meh about Trfel's open but it's prob NAI.
SL starting off with a whole paragraph that says a lot of nothing is about the only interesting thing I see going on. Interesting in what way? Also hi people 100% mafia nope I feel like there's some really next-level read that can be made out of this reaction, but I am not on the next level yet. Yeah, I already made it
Assuming that Breshke knows Palmar well enough to know that Palmar won't stop silly pushes like this, I can't possibly imagine Breshke as mafia responding to Palmar like this. It's really dumb and I wouldn't expect this from Breshke, who (like most) is a fairly calculated/cautious player as scum.
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Oh yeah, scott31337 is in the game. I keep forgetting that, no filter, bad Trfel. Anyway, here you go rsoultin, even though I didn't actually finish the thread. Going to bed now, I'll try and do it tomorrow.
Looking through his filter I could definitely see him being mafia this game. I guess the first thing that sticks out to me is the townread on Palmar. I obviously think this is a very accurate and insightful read, however since I'm the only person who thinks this, it doesn't make sense that scott31337 would think this way and have so little doubt over it (the amount that he's letting Palmar seemingly direct his vote and the thread is insane for the level of seriousness/investment that Palmar has shown). Second, his switch to a townread on Tumblewood feels opportunistic, "he's playing just like last game" to "maybe he did roll town this game".
But it's by no means a great argument. So, yay.
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One more thing. It seems that scott31337's strongest scumread should be Breshke. But scott31337 didn't say anything about Breshke between his latest post and his initial read. In between, Breshke made many posts. Doesn't seem like a lot of direction.......
Anyway, good night.
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Meh, Shapelog hasn't seemed to be doing much. I only remember one actual suspicion from his filter, which is strange given that he's been relatively active. So much conversation, so little scumhunting.
And I'm still not sure about Breshke being town. I feel a bit hesitant about his first question and response to Tictock, I don't feel like it was very useful or had followup. I also don't find his question to Shapelog very insightful at all, it feels like there's no point to it. And I don't feel a drive from Breshke to figure out the best lynch, though I'm not sure if that's normal from him as town.
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Shapelog, why aren't you being useful and pushing stuff?
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On February 18 2016 02:01 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 01:57 Trfel wrote:
Shapelog, why aren't you being useful and pushing stuff? Because quite honestly I don't have a fucking clue anymore. My mind is muddied. Plus You people TR me, so in the stake of my filter, i decided to leave the game for a few hours instead of "OMG YOUR SCUM TRYING TO BUDDYZ!!!!!!!!!." Prob. going to filter dive in a few mins. and post reads and push from there. When Tumblewood says exactly the same thing (my mind is muddied), why do you scumread him for it, if you're thinking the exact same thing?
Also for the sake of clarity, I'm getting closer and closer to lynching you.
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Shapelog is mafia
He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched.
And then all of the other reasons.
##vote Shapelog
I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever
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Yeah, Shapelog is probably mafia.
![[image loading]](https://puu.sh/m5YWM/e58ebaa953.png)
On the bright side, we get to figure out rsoultin's alignment this way
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On February 18 2016 03:02 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote:Shapelog is mafia He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote ShapelogI mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever What are all the other reasons? I'm starting to like him for town, tbh, though it's mostly centric to me. Eden dropped a nice big post on me and he thinks Eden is town. If he were scum, I'd be an easy mislynch for him. I like how he approached the analysis on me. And his explanation of his Tumble read makes a bit of sense. First, because you're not an easy lynch. Eden is the only person who thinks that you're scum, and (imo) Eden's reasoning is not that good. There's been no momentum from Palmar or rsoultin towards you at all.
Second, his Tumblewood is one of the reasons that he is mafia. I feel that the correct read on Tumblewood is clearly town because of post length. You look at his mafia game, and he provided fairly long posts. This game, his posts are short and conversational, more directly involved. This is a very distinct playstyle change, and gives a near 100% townread. I'm extremely confident in it.
Shapelog said this, but wasn't very confident in it, and then switched this to a scum lean / could lynch because he completely misinterpreted Tumblewood's post, while sharing exactly the same problem (a bit lost with regards to reads) as Tumblewood did, that he was picking on in the first place.
In addition, rsoultin feels that Shapelog's happiness is faked.
And Shapelog is defending himself differently at different times. He went from "I can't be lynched Day 1, I have a streak of endgames going and I don't want to be mislynched on Day 1" to "if I get mislynched today, it's all my fault".
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On February 18 2016 03:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 02:58 Trfel wrote:Yeah, Shapelog is probably mafia. On the bright side, we get to figure out rsoultin's alignment this way Bango was his name o. YOU DON"T EVEN KNOW IF I AM SCUM! You trying to push me into a lynch, then setting Rsoul up to get killed when i flip town. Not to mention you are apparently aggressive which falls in line with your scum meta. Add that vibe that from you when i read you read on eden And... Calm Shapelog, Calm. *sign* IK this OMGUS, but at this point, you are scum. ##Vote:Trfel Yeah, the main thing that gives me pause is Shapelog wasn't this stupid last game when he was mafia. Maybe his inability to read things is an indicator that he is town....
In explanation, the diagram that I gave says that rsoultin is town if Shapelog flips town, directly contrary to what Shapelog says. And that was rather obviously a joke, anyway...
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On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote:
*Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/
Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town.
I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use. Lol?
Shapelog, if you're town, I suggest you take a 10 minute break.
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On February 18 2016 03:34 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote:
*Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/
Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town.
I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use. This post is weird. How do you know a counter wagon would be town? And why would you think who should be lynched doesn't matter? It always matters, especially since you said you'd be giving reads. You are saying who you should lynch won't matter. Then you're saying you'll give reads, implying they'll matter. I don't understand. And someone else sees it
If you look at the vote count, it's even more weird. The other wagons are all at basically the same vote count, he can make his own counterwagon.
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