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@rsoultin: I've described my meta read on Palmar before, in games where you've played. It's pretty simple. I described it here, too, in my post. What about that explanation do you not understand?
My read on Palmar has been pretty good over the last several games by observing this trend.
@Eden: I described using both quotes and explanations why I characterize your play as I did.
@All:
Look at how Eden started the game in his last two games as town. Both times, he was direct and to the point with insight and reads to get things going.
Here, he's been all over the place. Instead of an early scumread or push to get the game started, there's "I want the miller to claim, does anyone disagree?" It's completely different and lacks direction.
Eden has felt more involved since, but he still hasn't been doing anything, it feels like he is reacting instead of making things happen. Maybe there's something to do with his time of entrance to the thread, though, I'll check.
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On February 16 2016 11:25 sicklucker wrote:
It was plain english. Towns dont really care about that stuff they want to find scum. Power roles especially wont bring it up in thread. Mafia needs things to talk about so they sure will
It was plain, incorrect English, you said "it" with no modifier and plugging in "setup speculation" didn't make sense to me.
And who says townies don't care about that stuff? This is just a bunch of useless axiomatic posturing. I've already figured out a simple play for any millers in our game to make that cuts off a potential out for mafia who get caught by a possible cop in the game, which as far as I can see, has no drawback to make. If townies don't care about that stuff, then they're playing incorrectly. Setup minutia can go a long way toward deciding the outcome of a game, and I want those minutia in my corner as much as possible.
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On February 16 2016 11:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 11:25 sicklucker wrote:
It was plain english. Towns dont really care about that stuff they want to find scum. Power roles especially wont bring it up in thread. Mafia needs things to talk about so they sure will -pokes- and if i said he's done almost the exact same thing in a prior town game? would you drop it, or do you have other reasons to scumread him?
would still vote him untill theres someone better because he claimed vt
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On February 16 2016 11:27 Trfel wrote:
@rsoultin: I've described my meta read on Palmar before, in games where you've played. It's pretty simple. I described it here, too, in my post. What about that explanation do you not understand?
My read on Palmar has been pretty good over the last several games by observing this trend.
@Eden: I described using both quotes and explanations why I characterize your play as I did.
@All:
Look at how Eden started the game in his last two games as town. Both times, he was direct and to the point with insight and reads to get things going.
Here, he's been all over the place. Instead of an early scumread or push to get the game started, there's "I want the miller to claim, does anyone disagree?" It's completely different and lacks direction.
Eden has felt more involved since, but he still hasn't been doing anything, it feels like he is reacting instead of making things happen. Maybe there's something to do with his time of entrance to the thread, though, I'll check.
yeah i haven't been paying attention to your meta-read on palmar >> no offense truffle-wuffle but i'm not really accustomed to paying much attention to your meta...though i realize you've started using it more
all i noted was you said that it departed from the norm, which i don't agree with at all; his approach looked like classic palmar. what makes it town palmar instead of scum palmar?
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and if that is a thing you should tell me instead of being so cryptic..
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nh? was that at me?
i'd already said it earlier, sl ^^
horn of africa. eden did the same thing. it's a good plan because you just go from that to, not gonna listen to miller claims when people are being lynched/a red-check is claimed...and regardless, it's obvious if he's done this before as town he at least believes it's the best way to play with aware millers
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Palmar is town because he doesn't do this as scum  Simple. 100% correct.
Well, okay, not 100% because he didn't actually do anything, but close to it for the other additional reasons that I gave.
Anyway, Eden's entrance in his two latest games was significantly later than his posts in this game. Maybe I'm overestimating the interest of the thread early on. I'll look at Eden's filter again.
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On February 16 2016 11:33 Trfel wrote:Palmar is town because he doesn't do this as scum Simple. 100% correct.Well, okay, not 100% because he didn't actually do anything, but close to it for the other additional reasons that I gave. Anyway, Eden's entrance in his two latest games was significantly later than his posts in this game. Maybe I'm overestimating the interest of the thread early on. I'll look at Eden's filter again.
yeah -_- this is not helpful truffle
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On February 16 2016 11:27 Trfel wrote:
@rsoultin: I've described my meta read on Palmar before, in games where you've played. It's pretty simple. I described it here, too, in my post. What about that explanation do you not understand?
My read on Palmar has been pretty good over the last several games by observing this trend.
@Eden: I described using both quotes and explanations why I characterize your play as I did.
@All:
Look at how Eden started the game in his last two games as town. Both times, he was direct and to the point with insight and reads to get things going.
Here, he's been all over the place. Instead of an early scumread or push to get the game started, there's "I want the miller to claim, does anyone disagree?" It's completely different and lacks direction.
Eden has felt more involved since, but he still hasn't been doing anything, it feels like he is reacting instead of making things happen. Maybe there's something to do with his time of entrance to the thread, though, I'll check.
But you didn't. You quoted me and then asserted your same descriptions over and over.
I was direct and to the point in this game as well. If anything I was more direct than normal, I just dumped my Notepad scribbles about the roles without bothering to format it like I normally would. It so happens that this time, I checked into a game and didn't see anything that caught my eye as far as alignment goes, except for something weak on rsoultin, which I immediately noted.
What exactly is "all over the place" about repeating the same line of argument and calling town's attention to it? How does that display a lack of focus?
And how is it that you go from arguing that I'm overly focused on setup spec to arguing that my posting isn't focused enough?
You're just making things up as you go along.
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On February 16 2016 11:33 Trfel wrote:Palmar is town because he doesn't do this as scum Simple. 100% correct. Well, okay, not 100% because he didn't actually do anything, but close to it for the other additional reasons that I gave. Anyway, Eden's entrance in his two latest games was significantly later than his posts in this game. Maybe I'm overestimating the interest of the thread early on. I'll look at Eden's filter again.
Did you even bother to read the games you cited as evidence against me?
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On February 16 2016 11:32 rsoultin wrote:
nh? was that at me?
i'd already said it earlier, sl ^^
horn of africa. eden did the same thing. it's a good plan because you just go from that to, not gonna listen to miller claims when people are being lynched/a red-check is claimed...and regardless, it's obvious if he's done this before as town he at least believes it's the best way to play with aware millers
^ salient point
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I forgot that I even did that!
This must be the optimal line of play, since I independently thought of it twice over a year apart from each other.
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Change of subject. Most of my posts refer to focus with regards to solving the game, IE figuring out people's alignments. Making reads.
I don't feel that asking for millers to claim accomplishes this. And regardless of opinion, it certainly doesn't replace sharing reads and solving the game.
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On February 16 2016 11:37 Eden1892 wrote:
I forgot that I even did that!
This must be the optimal line of play, since I independently thought of it twice over a year apart from each other.
lol >< you're hopeless
bueno, i was going to not spam this game :/ i'll check back in before bed but i really should actually do this paper i've been procrastinating
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That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm trying to say, though.
I had a feeling that no one would understand this point  Feeling confirmed.
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On February 16 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote:
Change of subject. Most of my posts refer to focus with regards to solving the game, IE figuring out people's alignments. Making reads.
I don't feel that asking for millers to claim accomplishes this. And regardless of opinion, it certainly doesn't replace sharing reads and solving the game.
meh, i don't really expect people to go all gung-ho scum!hunter the instant the game starts, truffle...i think you're being premature at best here
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I found Palmar's push on Breshke interesting, I found sicklucker's first few posts interesting, I found Breshke's response to Palmar's push a bit interesting, and I found some of Tictock's post somewhat interesting.
Rsoultin, did you find any of these things interesting?
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breshke is my <3 ^^
i've already commented on sl and palmar, and as for ticktock...eh...i'm more curious about whether or not he and shapelog ever get off their epeens and actually take a stance on one another ^^
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Such a concrete and specific bar you've set for my posting! "Solving the game." What the hell does that even mean, five and a half hours into the start of the game, when only half of the players have said something approaching meaningful?
"Sharing reads" I did, when I had the opportunity and had something worth pursuing. I already acknowledged that my read on rsoultin wasn't as solid as I would have liked. I only bring it up at all because I have a history of being able to evaluate her alignment based on the tone of her posts, which makes me more willing to trust an otherwise-spurious townread on her.
Actually, that's not wholly true. I have a couple of other townreads (Shapelog and Tictock), but I didn't share those immediately because I knew they were informed by the fact that I think my line this game has been obviously townie and correct, and subsequently tinted by my emotional predisposition to like people who understand what I'm doing. It's certainly not going to be helpful to you, since you're under the erroneous presumption that my setup posts have been useless, but once you recognize that this presumption is erroneous, you'll be able to see why their read on me is insightful and makes them somewhat more likely than not to be town.
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On February 16 2016 11:41 Trfel wrote:
I found Palmar's push on Breshke interesting, I found sicklucker's first few posts interesting, I found Breshke's response to Palmar's push a bit interesting, and I found some of Tictock's post somewhat interesting.
Rsoultin, did you find any of these things interesting?
I'm glad you did, but that doesn't make them of any objective interest in determining their alignments.
You can also just come out and say that you think I'm mafia for failing to find these things interesting instead of using these veiled snippy rhetorical questions.
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