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Well Firefly he had a really small filter and scum took advantage of that and shennanied onto him when he was afk. It was shit because I was on that wagon too and I was town.
I'm thinking to read his newbie 16 games and Haunted Mansion games to see if "suboptimal town play" is a decent parallel to this game. I had reason to townread him day 1. I realise he was modkilled and not lynched but his filter might give me a better idea of how he plays.
This game, just offhand, my concern is how he went back and forth between the wagons at the moment. If his town play is really bad like you say, then his latest spate of activity could purely be that, suboptimal. But when I'm back on a laptop I hopefully can get to that. It's hard to do this on a phone.
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On February 08 2016 06:50 NocturneMage wrote:
Marv why do you think Koshi is town?
What do you think about Rels' case?
eh, i only skimmed it, i'll go read it properly now/a bit later 
my townread on koshi is less entrenched than i'd normally expect it to be at this stage of the game (normally by day 2 he's a banker)
it's like... he feels like town koshi, but it's all a little more subdued than normal
I remember one thing in the case - something to do with how Koshi's vote changed when it really shouldn't or something. That's something a town Koshi can definitely do. He made a similar switch in some game we played a while back (Haunted Mini maybe?) and it looked really terrible except it wasn't.
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On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:phoneposting So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for?
mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question?
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D: marv give me attention. You're throwing out reads on everyone and I feel excluded.
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On February 08 2016 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
D: marv give me attention. You're throwing out reads on everyone and I feel excluded.
i kinda feel like you're absence/dgaf during most of d1 into some sort of relative productivity is kinda townie, but i wouldn't bet strongly on it
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On February 08 2016 07:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
D: marv give me attention. You're throwing out reads on everyone and I feel excluded. i kinda feel like you're absence/dgaf during most of d1 into some sort of relative productivity is kinda townie, but i wouldn't bet strongly on it bet you're glad you asked
yesss I am. want my read on you bb?
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not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots
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On February 08 2016 04:11 NocturneMage wrote:This next post is mainly for Rels and disformation regarding Moosy Doosy - Day 1 - read pages 39 through 41Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
(1) You leap into game using convoluted af reasoning to explain shizz which is NM style of play. But tone read seems genuine which means ur trying to solve game. So town.
(2) At this point, there is a small group of people I don't try to read due to heavy bias. One of them is Damdred. Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:22 NocturneMage wrote:On February 05 2016 14:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
(1) You leap into game using convoluted af reasoning to explain shizz which is NM style of play. But tone read seems genuine which means ur trying to solve game. So town.
(2) At this point, there is a small group of people I don't try to read due to heavy bias. One of them is Damdred. Seeing as ritoky picked disformation and Rels as townreads, I'm going to ask you this next question. Both disformation and Rels have both scumread me at points for not being able to follow my train of thought. What does this make you think of them?
Night 1/Day 2Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 02:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
There were some things about ritoky that ticked in my mind. I think it was concerning disfo.
mMmmm....I'm also conflicted on Rels which is never ever a good thing. Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote:On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Well here's the thing, for me for Rels - a key scum tell is him taking words/quotes/etc out of context. When he was pushing me day 1, he didn't see me logically and in most of my games I am able to get my arguments out in a logical manner. Here he didn't understand my early push on VA, quite frankly, no one did, and I saw his interactions with other people, and I didn't see any of those scum tells that makes me wary. Town Rels has a cleaner game IMO from what I see. as for the ritoky/disformation I cannot see how what you are saying makes EITHER of those two mafia. Disformation makes a shit case because (a) he cannot articulate himself well (b) he's confirmation biasing (which JAT basically confirmed near end of cycle) (c) he's mafia. Point is, disformation is not entirely scummy, and neither is ritoky for pushing in in that direction. And regardless of whom is implicated, me, Palmar, etc, I can't see how that winds back up at ritoky. Like this really isn't clear to me. At best you have pre-flip read here. Can either of you - or anyone else if you wish - comment on these reads by MoosyDoosy here? Something feels off but I can't put my finger on it. His criteria for reading me is completely wrong, whether it's contrived is 50/50. I've only played with him twice. The thing with my questioning on day 1 if you read through page 42 I think is he eventually bailed when I talked to him as to why he was scumreading ritoky. It felt weird and "it's Day 1" doesn't cut it. Just answer the question and then leave. Rels especially his read on you, and especially how you scumread me for not being logical day 1 versus him townreading me day 1 for being convoluted. It's just weird. Also I told him there's no way his read circles back to ritoky as mafia. Also his following Day 2 was telling me to spit out fire - I'm assuming reads - but looking through his filter I think if anyone needs to spit out reads, I think it's him, quite frankly. He has marv/DF as town d1 and concerns with Rels. That's it.
His read on me is 100% consistent with what he's said in previous games.
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On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:phoneposting On February 08 2016 05:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:I like your spicy post NM. )) So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question?
I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case.
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On February 08 2016 04:17 darthfoley wrote:Marv's Palmar progression + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar On February 04 2016 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
oh Palmar gave a longer/prettier answer. well boo On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand* On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:okay, quick post before I go. Thoughts on the lynch: Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff. Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrrehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=ZyrreHis filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent). I think I trust jat. tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary. On February 06 2016 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
I can't escape the socialising so I've not read anything. So many palmar votes and not so on Zyrre. I'm gonna vote Zyrre, he's my top % play.
Palmer could well still be mafia but the votecount made me a little nervous and I really think Zyrre is mafia. Maybe palmar can have another day?
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I'm not going to be able to read ppls replies to this really so just do what you think is best. This is what I think is best for now and that's all I have control over. I agree that Marv was not invested in the Palmar lynch and was quite wishy washy for someone who apparently has the hard reads on him. "I think his absence is non-admissible... but it could come from either alignment... not totally sure though... oh yea btw if he comes back while i'm gone and says im scum, DONT LISTEN TO HIM (even though I just said his play could come from either alignment") If his lack of play could come from either alignment, it's false to say it's non-admissible. He also says that if he thought he wasn't going to come back before the deadline, he would vote for Zyrre, but that he's keeping his vote on Palmar and change it later if necessary. Except that a few paragraphs earlier he specifically told everyone not to drink the Palmar Kool-Aid and keep your vote on him. He then jumps on the "VC is making me nervous train at #1319" (I had commented on it at #1308) and switches to Zyrre. This progression/line of reasoning throughout is suspicious to me and i'm scum reading marv Get Zyrre ML D1 is easy, while knowing it will leave Palmar in an almost impossible hole to fight out of D2 given the rapid vote swing, guaranteeing another mislynch.
I really disagree with that last sentence. Your suggestion of scum!marv saving town!Palmar for another is an impossible situation I think.
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On February 08 2016 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots
yesss it will. tbh, this is what I would expect from town marv, but you do seem a bit more subdued and quiet than usual. ^^ care to explain?
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On February 08 2016 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots yesss it will. tbh, this is what I would expect from town marv, but you do seem a bit more subdued and quiet than usual. ^^ care to explain?
my life is a bit different from normal. trying not to be too crazy as other half is watching. All my posts for the last 53 hours or so barring the last 3 have been made on a phone where normally i play on my work pc / on my laptop at home. Indeed I'm not at home now, i'm with my other half at his.
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On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:phoneposting On February 08 2016 05:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:I like your spicy post NM. )) So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case.
bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense?
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On February 08 2016 07:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 04:17 darthfoley wrote:Marv's Palmar progression + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar On February 04 2016 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
oh Palmar gave a longer/prettier answer. well boo On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand* On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:okay, quick post before I go. Thoughts on the lynch: Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff. Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrrehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=ZyrreHis filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent). I think I trust jat. tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary. On February 06 2016 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
I can't escape the socialising so I've not read anything. So many palmar votes and not so on Zyrre. I'm gonna vote Zyrre, he's my top % play.
Palmer could well still be mafia but the votecount made me a little nervous and I really think Zyrre is mafia. Maybe palmar can have another day?
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I'm not going to be able to read ppls replies to this really so just do what you think is best. This is what I think is best for now and that's all I have control over. I agree that Marv was not invested in the Palmar lynch and was quite wishy washy for someone who apparently has the hard reads on him. "I think his absence is non-admissible... but it could come from either alignment... not totally sure though... oh yea btw if he comes back while i'm gone and says im scum, DONT LISTEN TO HIM (even though I just said his play could come from either alignment") If his lack of play could come from either alignment, it's false to say it's non-admissible. He also says that if he thought he wasn't going to come back before the deadline, he would vote for Zyrre, but that he's keeping his vote on Palmar and change it later if necessary. Except that a few paragraphs earlier he specifically told everyone not to drink the Palmar Kool-Aid and keep your vote on him. He then jumps on the "VC is making me nervous train at #1319" (I had commented on it at #1308) and switches to Zyrre. This progression/line of reasoning throughout is suspicious to me and i'm scum reading marv Get Zyrre ML D1 is easy, while knowing it will leave Palmar in an almost impossible hole to fight out of D2 given the rapid vote swing, guaranteeing another mislynch. I really disagree with that last sentence. Your suggestion of scum!marv saving town!Palmar for another is an impossible situation I think.
it's 100% ridiculous. in scummarv vs townpalmar scenario, getting rid of Palmar immediately is a huge win for me and there is less than 0% chance i would switch to zyrre when i could stick on Palmar. Less than 0% is an impossible and non-existent figure, that's how outlandish it is.
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On February 08 2016 07:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots yesss it will. tbh, this is what I would expect from town marv, but you do seem a bit more subdued and quiet than usual. ^^ care to explain? my life is a bit different from normal. trying not to be too crazy as other half is watching. All my posts for the last 53 hours or so barring the last 3 have been made on a phone where normally i play on my work pc / on my laptop at home. Indeed I'm not at home now, i'm with my other half at his.
mMMm, hope everything works out well lAd.
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On February 08 2016 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:22 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots yesss it will. tbh, this is what I would expect from town marv, but you do seem a bit more subdued and quiet than usual. ^^ care to explain? my life is a bit different from normal. trying not to be too crazy as other half is watching. All my posts for the last 53 hours or so barring the last 3 have been made on a phone where normally i play on my work pc / on my laptop at home. Indeed I'm not at home now, i'm with my other half at his. mMMm, hope everything works out well lAd.
Including this Mafia game.
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On February 08 2016 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 07:22 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
not particularly, but if it makes you happy to give it, fill your boots yesss it will. tbh, this is what I would expect from town marv, but you do seem a bit more subdued and quiet than usual. ^^ care to explain? my life is a bit different from normal. trying not to be too crazy as other half is watching. All my posts for the last 53 hours or so barring the last 3 have been made on a phone where normally i play on my work pc / on my laptop at home. Indeed I'm not at home now, i'm with my other half at his. mMMm, hope everything works out well lAd. Including this Mafia game.
*especially* this mafia game :p
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On February 08 2016 07:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:19 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 04:17 darthfoley wrote:Marv's Palmar progression + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar On February 04 2016 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
oh Palmar gave a longer/prettier answer. well boo On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand* On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:okay, quick post before I go. Thoughts on the lynch: Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff. Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrrehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=ZyrreHis filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent). I think I trust jat. tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary. On February 06 2016 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
I can't escape the socialising so I've not read anything. So many palmar votes and not so on Zyrre. I'm gonna vote Zyrre, he's my top % play.
Palmer could well still be mafia but the votecount made me a little nervous and I really think Zyrre is mafia. Maybe palmar can have another day?
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I'm not going to be able to read ppls replies to this really so just do what you think is best. This is what I think is best for now and that's all I have control over. I agree that Marv was not invested in the Palmar lynch and was quite wishy washy for someone who apparently has the hard reads on him. "I think his absence is non-admissible... but it could come from either alignment... not totally sure though... oh yea btw if he comes back while i'm gone and says im scum, DONT LISTEN TO HIM (even though I just said his play could come from either alignment") If his lack of play could come from either alignment, it's false to say it's non-admissible. He also says that if he thought he wasn't going to come back before the deadline, he would vote for Zyrre, but that he's keeping his vote on Palmar and change it later if necessary. Except that a few paragraphs earlier he specifically told everyone not to drink the Palmar Kool-Aid and keep your vote on him. He then jumps on the "VC is making me nervous train at #1319" (I had commented on it at #1308) and switches to Zyrre. This progression/line of reasoning throughout is suspicious to me and i'm scum reading marv Get Zyrre ML D1 is easy, while knowing it will leave Palmar in an almost impossible hole to fight out of D2 given the rapid vote swing, guaranteeing another mislynch. I really disagree with that last sentence. Your suggestion of scum!marv saving town!Palmar for another is an impossible situation I think. it's 100% ridiculous. in scummarv vs townpalmar scenario, getting rid of Palmar immediately is a huge win for me and there is less than 0% chance i would switch to zyrre when i could stick on Palmar. Less than 0% is an impossible and non-existent figure, that's how outlandish it is.
Hmmm... fair enough.
Changing up my tinfoil hats a bit.
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