EPTCan you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain?
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Koshi
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Can you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain? | ||
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Rels
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On February 08 2016 03:12 Koshi wrote: Can you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain? Explain ? | ||
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Koshi
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Koshi
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Literally explained it 3 times by now. | ||
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Rels
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Quotes then! | ||
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Koshi
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I'll pass. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 08 2016 03:08 disformation wrote: Also @NM: can you explain to me why you randomly decided to read old games from Koshi and Palmar? Wasn't random. Friday morning, I read Palmar's filter this game and same with Koshi's before I read other games. And the former especially in light of his performance in PYP and what I recall of Outlaw. That's why I tried to read more of his. Even at his most laziest there was Dark Tournament, which was a contrast to the games I read where he had either more solid town performances or where he wasn't accurate, more performances where he was invested or opinionated if that makes any sense. Additionally, I had zero interaction with Palmar, and the limited I had with Koshi wasn't very good or didn't leave me a good impression of him. I also had concerns about Koshi's lack of followup with ritoky and his reaction to me was just really meh. Also as for marv, when I originally read his filter I liked the pokes he made on Palmar and VA. Re: post-lynch, him falling in the same category where he switches to Zyrre last minute doesn't make him scum, esp when he looked at both players - JAT did the same thing. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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ok bye have fun. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 08 2016 03:13 Koshi wrote: Don't make it NM. ????? | ||
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Rels
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On February 05 2016 19:33 Koshi wrote: Activity + how he played. As mafia he tends to pop in and not have a real story behind his game. But there is constant not really activity but activity. As town he is either completely useless but the story fits, or afk. I don't understand how that read applies to the game. Palmar didn't haev a "story" this game, and he wasn't noticably AFK when you posted that. | ||
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marvellosity
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disformation
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On February 08 2016 03:20 NocturneMage wrote: Wasn't random. Friday morning, I read Palmar's filter this game and same with Koshi's before I read other games. And the former especially in light of his performance in PYP and what I recall of Outlaw. That's why I tried to read more of his. Even at his most laziest there was Dark Tournament, which was a contrast to the games I read where he had either more solid town performances or where he wasn't accurate, more performances where he was invested or opinionated if that makes any sense. Additionally, I had zero interaction with Palmar, and the limited I had with Koshi wasn't very good or didn't leave me a good impression of him. I also had concerns about Koshi's lack of followup with ritoky and his reaction to me was just really meh. Also as for marv, when I originally read his filter I liked the pokes he made on Palmar and VA. Re: post-lynch, him falling in the same category where he switches to Zyrre last minute doesn't make him scum, esp when he looked at both players - JAT did the same thing. Hmpf. I should probably stop being so paranoid. Nah, paranoid is good. Okay, looked at Palmar's DT filter. Way better than here. Not sure if I buy that interaction thing. Like you seem like a way more logical-finding-contradictions-in-filters type of player. How is koshi switching his votes different from jat and marv switching votes? | ||
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disformation
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On February 08 2016 03:29 marvellosity wrote: I'm saving my energy for potentially a grand ding dong with palmar Who would you lynch if Palmar was modkilled? I didn't find many reads in yo filter. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 08 2016 00:59 disformation wrote: Looking through VA's filter. I like that he was able to step back and reevaluate NM. I also like a few other posts and his tone. Didn't really like the suggestion for a NVT to claim. There are also not that many reads in his filter imo. Would like him to put out a few more of those. There were a few things I didn't like about VA which I discussed, and he's not done much to show he's town (the lynch Palmar thing after the day 1 lynch where he's effectively claimed scum won't say much). Additionally, if Palmar is scum, his vote on Palmar is actually bad - it screams bus city for 3 reasons. (1) it was inorganic (2) it was well after concerns about Palmar had been expressed (pokes particularly by Marv early in the game I'm sure were before this) (3) it was done at a time where he needed town cred (mafia motivation is to bus for cred), because at that time, only Damdred was townreading him, or heck it might have even been before that. ritoky and I were scumreading VA to some various degree, and I don't think most of this game had a read on VA when they were asked to eval VA v myself VA prior to getting on Palmar's wagon was pushing me and when he couldn't do that, he dropped the scumread, Additionally when I pushed him further earlier on, he got very defensive. Quotes: On February 06 2016 03:10 VayneAuthority wrote: has the nocturnemage ever heard of sleep by any chance? Of course I wasn't around for 250+ posts when I'm sleeping. I really can't understand your constant antagonizing, making a case on me is fine but these constant asinine nitpicks are insane. I really don't understand. On February 06 2016 03:58 VayneAuthority wrote: The only thing truly scummy about NM disform is how he is a huge hypocrite. He is constantly berating me/scumreading me for things and then ignores anything that would have to make him justify it. Really annoying playstyle that makes it impossible to read him. Especially the problem with the above is that the "sleep" explanation doesn't cover for his push on me earlier and his not mentioning Palmar at that time. It doesn't answer the concern in the least. Now admittedly at this point in time, the vote thing is unflipped association, but if Palmar flips mafia, then he looks really bad despite voting Palmar. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 08 2016 03:32 disformation wrote: Hmpf. I should probably stop being so paranoid. Nah, paranoid is good. Okay, looked at Palmar's DT filter. Way better than here. Not sure if I buy that interaction thing. Like you seem like a way more logical-finding-contradictions-in-filters type of player. How is koshi switching his votes different from jat and marv switching votes? Investment in respective wagons, which I'm pretty sure Rels touched on in his case. General voting analysis rule - the more investment someone has in a given wagon, the more likely they are to be town. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On February 08 2016 03:36 NocturneMage wrote: Investment in respective wagons, which I'm pretty sure Rels touched on in his case. General voting analysis rule - the more investment someone has in a given wagon, the more likely they are to be town. I don't understand this. All three switched. So they aren't very invested by default. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
You should be aware by now how invested JAT/marv were in the Palmar wagons. BY CONTRAST, Koshi was not as invested in the Zyrre wagon (amount of time/rationale). Am I making sense here? I'm going to use the first part of Rels' case to show you what I mean. On February 08 2016 00:54 Rels wrote: This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it. I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why: 1 D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter: Then: Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 08 2016 03:37 disformation wrote: I don't understand this. All three switched. So they aren't very invested by default. You don't understand what I mean by investment. Read my previous post just now, and even marvellosity explained to you that his pushing Palmar gave legitmacy (paraphrasing) to the wagon. It's a time and effort thing. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On February 08 2016 03:37 disformation wrote: I don't understand this. All three switched. So they aren't very invested by default. Ugh nevermind. He was TRing Palmar the whole damn day, yet only votes 18mins b4 deadline? On the other hand too scummy to be scummy. | ||
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marvellosity
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On February 08 2016 03:32 disformation wrote: Who would you lynch if Palmar was modkilled? I didn't find many reads in yo filter. Dunno. Some bf/chez/noon/va type list? I'd have to actually go read the game VA referenced me of his. He loves his nk analysis and I get the impression he's been maybe a little dismissive of the nk stuff Noon purely because he keeps saying dumb things about me | ||
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