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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 16:58 GMT
#1721
On February 08 2016 01:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 01:51 nooniansoong wrote:
[M][T] Witchcraft Mini Mafia Mafia Witch Hunter Endgamed Day 5
14 page filter!

So like 3 pages / phase ? Seems average.


Usually scums' activity is highest early game though.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:04 GMT
#1722
1 Palmar (Shadow: GlowingBear) - dunno we'll see
2 Rels - town
4 VayneAuthority - dunno
6 darthfoley - he was so bad as scum last game that gives me a false sense of security about him being town
7 disformation - town
8 Onegu - scum?
11 Chezinu (Shadow: Artanis) - scum?
12 MoosyDoosy - scum?
13 Koshi - probably town
14 boxerfred - probably town
15 marvellosity - scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe
16 nooniansoong - town
17 NocturneMage - dunno but i think town
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 17:05 GMT
#1723
Remaining mafia is going to be in the lynchbait (Chez/MD/Onegu/darthfoley)
I had a good night of sleep.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:06 GMT
#1724
On February 08 2016 02:05 Koshi wrote:
Remaining mafia is going to be in the lynchbait (Chez/MD/Onegu/darthfoley)


I wouldn't classify darth as lynchbait this game.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 17:07 GMT
#1725
On February 08 2016 02:06 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 02:05 Koshi wrote:
Remaining mafia is going to be in the lynchbait (Chez/MD/Onegu/darthfoley)


I wouldn't classify darth as lynchbait this game.

True. But I don't like how he is not more actively trying to solve the game.
I had a good night of sleep.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:07 GMT
#1726
koshi whyd you care about be disappearing after eon? that was kinda weird.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 17:08 GMT
#1727
He feels even more disconnected than last game. Must suck hard if he rolled into another afk mafia team.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 17:09 GMT
#1728
On February 08 2016 02:07 nooniansoong wrote:
koshi whyd you care about be disappearing after eon? that was kinda weird.

It was a joke bro.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 17:10 GMT
#1729
Well. I just disliked how you were here RIGHT ON EoN and then didn't talk at all about the nks.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 17:10 GMT
#1730
Why be around for EoN then?
I had a good night of sleep.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:13 GMT
#1731
On February 08 2016 02:10 Koshi wrote:
Why be around for EoN then?


eons are exciting. second to only eods. i thought there might be some sweet vig shots.
the nk analysis that follows, not so much.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 07 2016 17:17 GMT
#1732
On February 08 2016 01:20 disformation wrote:
I think JAT said something about Koshi's vote not being scum indicative.

Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read.


Truth is, I don't have many scum reads. I've found this game particularly hard to scum read given the Palmar --> Zyrre lynch wagon dynamic. All we actually know is that a bunch of people followed my wagon and lynched a noob town who looked scummy, then killed three strong towns. That isn't very alignment indicative of many people until we know or have a better understanding of what Palmar is.

My town reads/people i'm more willing to trust right now are Rels, you and I tentatively lean town on boxerfred. He seems to me to be genuinely frustrated with people who are either trolling or not playing serious (Chez, kush, Moosy). I'm actually starting to TR Kush as well.


+ Show Spoiler +
On February 08 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:
This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it.

I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why:

1
D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:
On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons

It actually isn't. I can see him believe that. I can believe it.

Then:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Kush comming in and giving a townread on Palmar and rescind a townread on Zyrre is not doing things.

Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush.


2
I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ?
Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression:
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On February 04 2016 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Ugh... Palmar is almost certainly not mafia here. I have a pretty good tell for him when he is mafia. It's not this.

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On February 04 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:12 disformation wrote:
On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote:
This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever.

I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to

I like this post. Paranoia is a good town trait to have imo.

In general yes. But not to a point where you don't trust anybody at all because that's not how you win as town. And Palmar who is probably the most experienced player in this game perfectly knows it.
This wasn't the first time he townread a mafia, in fact he always says "there is always that one mafia who slips into my townreads" so this should not be shocking to him.

That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game.

This I can agree with. Would expect Palmar to be even more cocky tbh.

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On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

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On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
I got indoor soccer at 2100. But it will take a while after I played and I might only be around on phone depending on what we will do.

I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory. But I strongly suggest not lynching him.

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On February 06 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:
Fuck I need to go........ I disagree with this lynch 100%

There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory".


3
Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 02:54 Koshi wrote:
I actually don't think JAT is mafia this game. I feel dirty.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 02:57 Koshi wrote:
ritoky is Damdred mafia?

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Damdred his posts have been really bad. Holy mozes.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On February 05 2016 20:02 Rels wrote:
On February 05 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote:
On February 05 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:
Surprised you and nm didn't catch it playing the game.

moosey scum team is va, oneg and koshi.

Ehats wrong with that team


if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells.

i saw Rels mention it on the last page, and I thought the same as this post here - it's kinda meh in terms of dumbtells.

But maybe the way it happens makes it more believable/genuine. Don't really know what to think exactly

It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell.
It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it.

Do you have a scumgame of his? I only remember 1 town game. It was horrid.

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 04:07 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details.

This post looks bad. But w.e

Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore.



Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad.


referencing this comment

@Koshi I appreciate your compliment. I hope I will continue to impress later, when I have time to actually analyze interactions in a meaningful way. Put me in, coach.


Does that actually look like a real attempt at buddying? I thought it was clearly tongue in cheek. The only person you could actually say i'm buddying is Palmar. Not Koshi off of one dumb sentence. But this interaction rubbed me the wrong way because he never came back to either point (me buddying him, or why my defense was bad). Koshi has been fine throwing out these "your post is terrible" reads but has rarely, as Rels mentioned, followed up on anything.

I can't read Chez, Moosy or Onegu to save my life, so meh. I'm also suspicious of marv a bit, because I get a scummy vibe looking back to his filter regarding the 3kp N1, and how he reacted...

On February 07 2016 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
So who made the worst shot of all time?


On February 07 2016 08:10 marvellosity wrote:
Ok just read roles it could have been mafia. Super sad if we don't have a vigi in a 17 player game

##vote palmar

Never came up with anything


On February 07 2016 08:24 marvellosity wrote:
If town caused one of those kills town should really collectively concede for being terrible, so let's pray it was the mafia role


Idk three posts about the same single event with no conclusions drawn or scenarios talked about. This just looks over the top from town for me. Plus, marv really just read the roles? I'm really not a fan. If Marv is mafia, he won't even look that bad if Palmar flips town, because he and others will frame it as "we had to because XYZ!" and i'm not really sure he's done much outside of try to hang Palmar by his balls lol



watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:19 GMT
#1733
lol darth i still haven't read the roles.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 07 2016 17:20 GMT
#1734
well that's dumb. you should probably do that
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:20 GMT
#1735
why?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 17:21 GMT
#1736
Is this a fair assessment of moosey's meta?
he's trying to he's probably mafia.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 17:22 GMT
#1737
Darth I don't know, I actually think scum is less likely to be like "ugh who is that dumb vig that shot XXX" if they know it's a scum vig.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 17:23 GMT
#1738
On February 08 2016 02:21 nooniansoong wrote:
Is this a fair assessment of moosey's meta?
he's trying to he's probably mafia.

Yep.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 07 2016 17:25 GMT
#1739
I see no reason to not think that the scum team is just like palmar/onegu/chez/moosy. I'm having the same problem as damdred this game. There are a few outliers like boxerfred/koshi/darth that have made me feel uneasy but everyone else i am pretty town on. And these only because they voted for zyrre when im pretty sure palmar is mafia.
I come in for the scraps
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 07 2016 17:27 GMT
#1740
On February 08 2016 00:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 00:43 boxerfred wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:35 Rels wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:32 boxerfred wrote:
Palmar refers to ritoky not me.

Yep that's what I said. My point is: Palmar said you might be scum at a time when noone was really suspected => you're not scum with him. Maybe ? It doesn't feel super strong actually.


I don't understand that.

On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.


This is what Palmar says. Instead of "bf", he wanted to say "ritoky". So no, he doesn't say I'm scummy, he says RITOKY is scummy. Am I dumb for not seeing what you mean?

He really said you were scummy. The sentence should read:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point ritoky made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
You have to replace the "he", not the "bf".

lol okay. That means I have understood that sentence correctly for the first time just now.
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