The rules for this game are drawn from BH's model OP here: (link). Read them.
Supplemental Rules
In addition to the rules outlined in the Model OP, there are a couple changes for this game.
1. Night Length: Nights will last 24 hours, and you may speak at night. 2. Day Length: Each day lasts 48 hours. 3. Lynch Type: At the end of the day, the player with the most votes on him or her is lynched. In the even of a tie, the person who was most recently ahead in votes is lynched. Voting is done in the voting thread: here 4. Activity: It is required you make at least 2 posts per day+night cycle (72 hours), and ALSO meet the arbitrary activity requirement that exists entirely in my mind. Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote twice will result in a replacement or modkill. 5. Deadline: The Lynch Deadline will be at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 6. Behavior: I will be strict on behavior, but I will always try to warn you if you cross the line. 7. Replacements: Replacements can be used until EoD2.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Special thanks to myself for going over this setup with me, and to myself, on the balance approval team, for testing this setup for balance. Also thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Also also thanks to Palmar for helping me with other versions of this setup.
If you have not read all the rules, go and do so. I might give you candy.
I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask.
This is a closed setup. No information will be given other than the fact that this is not a bastard game. There are no guarantees for balance. Enter at your own peril.
On January 29 2016 03:38 boxerfred wrote: I can do that! /in
What's a bastard game?
A bastard game is a game where you can't trust what the host says (e.g. a player could be said to be dead, but actually not be dead and all the rules the host states could be false).
The official definition is somewhat amusing.....I would have never considered jester (if known) or framer bastard roles. Death miller, yeah.
The game incorporates significant game-changing mechanics (Cult being a notorious example) that affects players who may not know about them.
Yeah, I'm not taking that definition. Alignment changing mechanics may occur. What I mean with not a bastard game is that you can be certain that everything my cohost or I say actually is true.
It was left in my shoe. Don't know what you mean by "steal".
So Onegu, do you feel like we should play this as standard as possible due to the potential hidden craziness of the setup? or should we play a bit more out-there so that plays will be revealing if weird stuff happens?
Ok, here is how it works. Whoever has the hot potato at the end of the day gets dealt 1kp (just like the game hot-potato). Transferring the potato between players has to be a mutual action. Mutual means one player types ##Take Potato and the current potato-player types ##Give Potato to playername.
I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so...
On January 31 2016 08:35 Vivax wrote: How do you know this? Is this an effect of your role?
Shame on you Vivax. Asking a non-claimed town for details about their role is like asking a lady her age. Obviously the info comes from PM since I said that Onegu would be able to know if I was lying about the mechanic after I passed him the Potato.
On January 31 2016 08:35 Vivax wrote: How do you know this? Is this an effect of your role?
Shame on you Vivax. Asking a non-claimed town for details about their role is like asking a lady her age. Obviously the info comes from PM since I said that Onegu would be able to know if I was lying about the mechanic after I passed him the Potato.
Why are you making such a fuss for a simple mistake.
On January 31 2016 08:20 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is how it works. Whoever has the hot potato at the end of the day gets dealt 1kp (just like the game hot-potato). Transferring the potato between players has to be a mutual action. Mutual means one player types ##Take Potato and the current potato-player types ##Give Potato to playername.
I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so...
##Give Potato to Onegu
Confirm this is how it works... You dropped my stolen potato on the floor before giving it to me and now it is all dirty... Onegu not to happy about this...
On January 31 2016 08:20 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is how it works. Whoever has the hot potato at the end of the day gets dealt 1kp (just like the game hot-potato). Transferring the potato between players has to be a mutual action. Mutual means one player types ##Take Potato and the current potato-player types ##Give Potato to playername.
I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so...
##Give Potato to Onegu
This doesn't make sense. Why did you give the potato to Onegu?
On January 31 2016 08:20 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is how it works. Whoever has the hot potato at the end of the day gets dealt 1kp (just like the game hot-potato). Transferring the potato between players has to be a mutual action. Mutual means one player types ##Take Potato and the current potato-player types ##Give Potato to playername.
I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so...
##Give Potato to Onegu
This doesn't make sense. Why did you give the potato to Onegu?
Really? The potato deals 1kp to whoever is holding it at EoD. Onegu was the only person I could give it to. Why wouldn't I? Scummy points to you for casting suspicion on something completely and obvoiusly NAI.
On January 31 2016 08:20 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is how it works. Whoever has the hot potato at the end of the day gets dealt 1kp (just like the game hot-potato). Transferring the potato between players has to be a mutual action. Mutual means one player types ##Take Potato and the current potato-player types ##Give Potato to playername.
I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so...
##Give Potato to Onegu
This doesn't make sense. Why did you give the potato to Onegu?
Really? The potato deals 1kp to whoever is holding it at EoD. Onegu was the only person I could give it to. Why wouldn't I? Scummy points to you for casting suspicion on something completely and obvoiusly NAI.
It's not. It's basically a kp you can deal to someone by giving away the potato at the very last second of the day. And you have this kp to Onegu to deal without having a read on him
On January 31 2016 10:30 Ace wrote: lol you guys are so jumpy
You are distracting us from lynching VA for having a 3p role that apparently picks the alignment or something like that
im not 3rd party, I am a traitor type role as of now but i can be made town. I might need to die by potato or get shot tonight pretty ambiguous
Ok... so you aren't likely village idiot, you wouldn't be arguing to be offed with powers instead of lynch if you were.
You say you are not 3p. Traitor-type role Mafiawiki seems to be anti-town, wins with the scum team. If you were actually scum aligned, why would you admit it? Why would you advocate against your win condition?
Whatever the full details of your role, I have to assume that you have a win condition that your claim is working towards. I'm just not sure what that is. If you are scum, you wouldn't claim a traitor type role. If you are town, you wouldn't want town to waste an ability on you. And you claim you aren't 3p. So basically, until you explain things in better detail, I wouldn't be inclined to give you anything you seem to want.
Do you guys like salty, crunchy, sexy sexy HAMBURGERS?
I LOVE HAMBURGERS!
##Take HAMBURGERS (worth a shot)
On January 31 2016 10:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 31 2016 08:20 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is how it works. Whoever has the hot potato at the end of the day gets dealt 1kp (just like the game hot-potato). Transferring the potato between players has to be a mutual action. Mutual means one player types ##Take Potato and the current potato-player types ##Give Potato to playername.
I also want you to know I'm not lying about this, so...
##Give Potato to Onegu
This doesn't make sense. Why did you give the potato to Onegu?
Really? The potato deals 1kp to whoever is holding it at EoD. Onegu was the only person I could give it to. Why wouldn't I? Scummy points to you for casting suspicion on something completely and obvoiusly NAI.
It's not. It's basically a kp you can deal to someone by giving away the potato at the very last second of the day. And you have this kp to Onegu to deal without having a read on him
Review the mechanic. The handing off of the potato cannot be forced. The person receiving the potato must type ##Take Potato. Even if you want to hand it off at the last second, if nobody wants to take it, you are out of luck.
Think about it. Excepting weird roles, anyone would hand off the potato given the chance.
Since VA claims that he changes alignment upon dying he's the best candidate for potato, I'll assume it will make him town for the fact that there really is no other use for that item for town on D1.
Then we lynch ace for being a waste of space with no intention to get things done besides spreading chaos
On January 31 2016 11:49 Vivax wrote: Since VA claims that he changes alignment upon dying he's the best candidate for potato, I'll assume it will make him town for the fact that there really is no other use for that item for town on D1.
Then we lynch ace for being a waste of space with no intention to get things done besides spreading chaos
Ive hardly ever seen a game start with so many people being so non committal to doing anything as in this one.
BF, 1gu (actually learned how to read him I think) and DYH are my town leans atm. VA would be there for being open with his role but since he can become anything...
GB is prolly bad town.
Ace is mafia for playing like obvious mafia and it's infuriating everyone's oblivious to that. Koshi probably mafia too.
@Vivax, can you explain your BF townread? I have him as a scumlean atm. Also, talk with me about VA. He said he is not currently aligned with town. So why are you trusting anything he said?
On February 01 2016 04:20 DoYouHas wrote: @Vivax, can you explain your BF townread? I have him as a scumlean atm. Also, talk with me about VA. He said he is not currently aligned with town. So why are you trusting anything he said?
Cause BF showed balls by claiming that he could possibly lynch me after already deciding to put you out there as his prime scumread, it's a weak reason but suffices for the moment under the assumption that starting with 1 scumread would be enough for mafia this early. I don't think they'd feel like doing more in a rather low activity town.
And VA cause I highly doubt he made that stuff up and coming forward with that information (fake or not) makes him more lynchable than if he didn't (but it's also a shoutout to mafia).
What becomes of VA is more or less in the hands of town/mafia and not himself. I believe he did play his role out as neutral and ambiguosly as possible.
On February 01 2016 04:20 DoYouHas wrote: @Vivax, can you explain your BF townread? I have him as a scumlean atm. Also, talk with me about VA. He said he is not currently aligned with town. So why are you trusting anything he said?
Cause BF showed balls by claiming that he could possibly lynch me after already deciding to put you out there as his prime scumread, it's a weak reason but suffices for the moment under the assumption that starting with 1 scumread would be enough for mafia this early. I don't think they'd feel like doing more in a rather low activity town.
And VA cause I highly doubt he made that stuff up and coming forward with that information (fake or not) makes him more lynchable than if he didn't (but it's also a shoutout to mafia).
What becomes of VA is more or less in the hands of town/mafia and not himself. I believe he did play his role out as neutral and ambiguosly as possible.
On February 01 2016 04:20 DoYouHas wrote: @Vivax, can you explain your BF townread? I have him as a scumlean atm. Also, talk with me about VA. He said he is not currently aligned with town. So why are you trusting anything he said?
Cause BF showed balls by claiming that he could possibly lynch me after already deciding to put you out there as his prime scumread, it's a weak reason but suffices for the moment under the assumption that starting with 1 scumread would be enough for mafia this early. I don't think they'd feel like doing more in a rather low activity town.
And VA cause I highly doubt he made that stuff up and coming forward with that information (fake or not) makes him more lynchable than if he didn't (but it's also a shoutout to mafia).
What becomes of VA is more or less in the hands of town/mafia and not himself. I believe he did play his role out as neutral and ambiguosly as possible.
Do you think I should give VA the potato EoD?
Give it to him immediately since he is willing to take it. It's more informative to know what he does with it once he holds it, and at EoD there's the usual risk of not doing whatever we want to do in time
On February 01 2016 04:20 DoYouHas wrote: @Vivax, can you explain your BF townread? I have him as a scumlean atm. Also, talk with me about VA. He said he is not currently aligned with town. So why are you trusting anything he said?
Cause BF showed balls by claiming that he could possibly lynch me after already deciding to put you out there as his prime scumread, it's a weak reason but suffices for the moment under the assumption that starting with 1 scumread would be enough for mafia this early. I don't think they'd feel like doing more in a rather low activity town.
And VA cause I highly doubt he made that stuff up and coming forward with that information (fake or not) makes him more lynchable than if he didn't (but it's also a shoutout to mafia).
What becomes of VA is more or less in the hands of town/mafia and not himself. I believe he did play his role out as neutral and ambiguosly as possible.
I'm mean, you're playing, but you're not trying. Yesterday was the Internet connection, so what is its today? You're still lagging? My internet is also horrible but at least I come here times to times to give opinion an see it shit is going on
On February 01 2016 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: I'm mean, you're playing, but you're not trying. Yesterday was the Internet connection, so what is its today? You're still lagging? My internet is also horrible but at least I come here times to times to give opinion an see it shit is going on
No, I my internet was fine yesterday. I just wasn't at home so at to use phone.
omg he actually already had 2 votes on him. I swear to God the Almighty I did not know that. Already praying a mafia bussed him before me. Or that we are all geniuses. Both work.
I am still anti mafia till mafia let me join them.
On February 01 2016 04:39 Ace wrote: Im gonna be way more active in 2 days. But yo seriously vote for Vivax :D.
I havent read the thread past page 5 btw.
Why can't you be active now?
work. Im skimming the thread when I can even on my phone tho. Who are we killing today btw?
I'm wanting to lynch DoYouHas because of the potato thing, but I need more information on that stuff yet. Who do you want to lynch and why?
Btw are you lagging when you load the website? I don't know if it is my internet, but for some reasons, from times to times, my browser lags when loading TL Mafia and when it finishes, it loads improperly. Is anyone having this problem?
On February 01 2016 05:43 Koshi wrote: omg he actually already had 2 votes on him. I swear to God the Almighty I did not know that. Already praying a mafia bussed him before me. Or that we are all geniuses. Both work.
I am still anti mafia till mafia let me join them.
On February 01 2016 04:39 Ace wrote: Im gonna be way more active in 2 days. But yo seriously vote for Vivax :D.
I havent read the thread past page 5 btw.
Why can't you be active now?
work. Im skimming the thread when I can even on my phone tho. Who are we killing today btw?
I'm wanting to lynch DoYouHas because of the potato thing, but I need more information on that stuff yet. Who do you want to lynch and why?
Btw are you lagging when you load the website? I don't know if it is my internet, but for some reasons, from times to times, my browser lags when loading TL Mafia and when it finishes, it loads improperly. Is anyone having this problem?
No it's loading fine for me. Bad luck on your end.
Explain why DYH is bad for giving up an item that would have killed him? Or maybe I misunderstood. He did tell us exactly how it works once he found it right?
On February 01 2016 05:43 Koshi wrote: omg he actually already had 2 votes on him. I swear to God the Almighty I did not know that. Already praying a mafia bussed him before me. Or that we are all geniuses. Both work. I am still anti mafia till mafia let me join them.
On February 01 2016 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: yea i have the potato and ill be town after it hits me so ill keep it
kinda odd that you are town after you take the potato. It means if you don't take it town get double punished most likely. So... Doesn't make sense set-up wise.
Like.. It makes more sense that you are mafia and you gain something with the potato. Just setup wise.
On February 01 2016 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: yea i have the potato and ill be town after it hits me so ill keep it
kinda odd that you are town after you take the potato. It means if you don't take it town get double punished most likely. So... Doesn't make sense set-up wise.
Like.. It makes more sense that you are mafia and you gain something with the potato. Just setup wise.
nah because you could hve mafia get stuck with the potato too. it would normally kill me but i need to get hit by a non lynch to become town i guess
On February 01 2016 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: yea i have the potato and ill be town after it hits me so ill keep it
kinda odd that you are town after you take the potato. It means if you don't take it town get double punished most likely. So... Doesn't make sense set-up wise.
Like.. It makes more sense that you are mafia and you gain something with the potato. Just setup wise.
nah because you could hve mafia get stuck with the potato too. it would normally kill me but i need to get hit by a non lynch to become town i guess
Alright, lets get this started. Interesting roles.
I think I believe VA here. Although it says no guarantee for balance, seems more likely that there is some possible use for the potato. Since passing it has to be mutual, it would just not get passed otherwise.
Could be that he is third party aligned or mafia though and gains something. He said it quite early though, and seemed unsure about it. If he was other aligned already, he might think it through more before posting.
Hopefully Ill be online to see what the next item is.
Switcheroo sounds like a nasty item by the way (some alignment changing bs, or maybe he switches roles?), and it would help if vayne told us what it does.
On February 01 2016 09:37 Vivax wrote: Switcheroo sounds like a nasty item by the way (some alignment changing bs, or maybe he switches roles?), and it would help if vayne told us what it does.
Well, while that wasn't nearly as awesome as I thought it would be. At least in the wasting of the most awesome ability ever I've confirmed myself as town, obtained a good item, and exposed Vayne in a lie.
On February 01 2016 11:27 Koshi wrote: You could have rewinded time and brought back a townie to life.
I could have done lots of things. I had hoped to confirm 2 townies through a role swap, or at least confirm one townie and 1 scum (meaning I would die), all without wasting a lynch cycle for the town.
VA is mafia because there is no reason to lie about the switching mechanic if he is town. His play so far can only be explained from a non-town standpoint, and should be a slamdunk lynch.
well I am technically mafia as already stated so i thought that was obvious but it is better for town as a whole to lynch some one else and let the potato turn me town
On February 01 2016 23:15 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm pretty sure DYH is Mafia and I'm voting him
##vote: DoYouHas
We kill Vayne for lying,he probably intended on switching his potato with someone else's item and ninja kill him and then be like "wow guys im totes town now"
1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread.
2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it.
I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles
On February 01 2016 23:15 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm pretty sure DYH is Mafia and I'm voting him
##vote: DoYouHas
We kill Vayne for lying,he probably intended on switching his potato with someone else's item and ninja kill him and then be like "wow guys im totes town now"
##Vote VA
No we don't because every single shit VA did in this game reeks joker (or that role that the win con is to be lynched)
On February 01 2016 23:27 GlowingBear wrote: Reasons I think DYH is Mafia:
1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread.
2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it.
I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles
These theories are ok except that holding the potato kills you, it doesn't give you KP
On February 01 2016 23:27 GlowingBear wrote: Reasons I think DYH is Mafia:
1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread.
2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it.
I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles
These theories are ok except that holding the potato kills you, it doesn't give you KP
If you give the potato in the last second of EOD you simply have a kp to deal
On February 01 2016 23:27 GlowingBear wrote: Reasons I think DYH is Mafia:
1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread.
2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it.
I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles
These theories are ok except that holding the potato kills you, it doesn't give you KP
If you give the potato in the last second of EOD you simply have a kp to deal
you can't do that, the person also has to be willing to take the potato.
I do want the potato to kill me tbh, but i dont want to be lynched.
Does the mask shed any light on anything? I assume you know something they dont because I am not actually a traitor or anything just town. I just wanted to get shot in some sort of way
On February 02 2016 02:09 VayneAuthority wrote: Does the mask shed any light on anything? I assume you know something they dont because I am not actually a traitor or anything just town. I just wanted to get shot in some sort of way
Nah, the mask's power is only usable at night.
I am just assuming you're a Joker and that DYH is Mafia basing myself on my own logic. Which seems ok atm
Where's boxerfred? Why aren't you playing the game, dude?
On February 02 2016 02:09 VayneAuthority wrote: Does the mask shed any light on anything? I assume you know something they dont because I am not actually a traitor or anything just town. I just wanted to get shot in some sort of way
Whats wrong with your sanity that you either try to pull stupid stunts or lie so much about everything? And then expect people to believe you did it as town?
I was inclined to not lynch you before DYH stole the switcheroo and made its power clear.
It is most likely that you would have used it to kill someone without telling the town.
On February 02 2016 04:08 Koshi wrote: Ok. I won't be making much more posts today. I also feel VA got to go. Lies are bad when I don't see the town motivation.
the motivation is it a themed setup and it is fun
and vivax I am not saying you should believe me, just pleading my case xD
I did in fact think about switching the potato onto some one but it is far more beneficial that I keep the potato
IS DYH A PEBBLE IN OUR INTERNET CONNECTION? - AN ESSAY BY URSO BRILHANTE
Although technology evolves exponentially, many still suffer from internet connection problems. Some may say that the problem resides on greedy hosts, others say that the lack of maintance of the cables is to blame. But isn't there something we are forgetting? Aren't we forgetting the evil that lives inside men's hearts and that some may not try to contain it?
I think some of our problems resides on the ill hearted. The ones that wants to play Counter-Strike and doesn't have the ability to terminate the enemy, so they make them lag with package bombing and shoot them while there's nothing the victim can do. Or the guy that is ready to drop a Starcraft player that timed out. Finally, the one that makes people's forums to not load properly so they can't find Mafia. I believe that it is the case of DoYouHas.
DoYouHas isn't trying to lynch Mafia. He is more concerned in being read town and calls people out as Mafia for reasons that doesn't make anyone Mafia. Let's see some reasons why DYH is Mafia:
1) Because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. Why do you give and item right away to someone else?
We all know that the potato deals 1kp to anyone who is holding it at EoD. So one reason to give it right away is to survive. Although a townie could be one behind trying to survive, we all know that the survival instinct is part of the Mafia traits. Even if a town doesn't want to hold the potato, afraid it might kill him, he probably doesn't give it right away to anyone. He will probably search for a scummy person to kill instead of just getting rid of it.
Also, if it deals a kp, he could've just wait until EOD until the very last second to give the potato and kill someone he finds scummy. The lack of awareness shows even more his need to survive.
2) If VA got the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he interpreted the mechanics and how he should deal with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) He went back in time to get the switcheroo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) because he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it. Lying isn't exclusive for Mafia unless the lie has a clear Mafia motivation behind it. And I see no plan behind VA's lie. The lack of plan and the lack of malicious intent points out to VA being town or joker, but not Mafia.
With all that said, I infer that DYH is indeed a pebble in our internet connection and we must get rid of him if we aspire to not go back to times where porn took days to be downloaded.
IS DYH A PEBBLE IN OUR INTERNET CONNECTION? - AN ESSAY BY URSO BRILHANTE
Although technology evolves exponentially, many still suffer from internet connection problems. Some may say that the problem resides on greedy hosts, others say that the lack of maintance of the cables is to blame. But isn't there something we are forgetting? Aren't we forgetting the evil that lives inside men's hearts and that some may not try to contain it?
I think some of our problems resides on the ill hearted. The ones that wants to play Counter-Strike and doesn't have the ability to terminate the enemy, so they make them lag with package bombing and shoot them while there's nothing the victim can do. Or the guy that is ready to drop a Starcraft player that timed out. Finally, the one that makes people's forums to not load properly so they can't find Mafia. I believe that it is the case of DoYouHas.
DoYouHas isn't trying to lynch Mafia. He is more concerned in being read town and calls people out as Mafia for reasons that doesn't make anyone Mafia. Let's see some reasons why DYH is Mafia:
1) Because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. Why do you give and item right away to someone else?
We all know that the potato deals 1kp to anyone who is holding it at EoD. So one reason to give it right away is to survive. Although a townie could be one behind trying to survive, we all know that the survival instinct is part of the Mafia traits. Even if a town doesn't want to hold the potato, afraid it might kill him, he probably doesn't give it right away to anyone. He will probably search for a scummy person to kill instead of just getting rid of it.
Also, if it deals a kp, he could've just wait until EOD until the very last second to give the potato and kill someone he finds scummy. The lack of awareness shows even more his need to survive.
2) If VA got the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he interpreted the mechanics and how he should deal with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) He went back in time to get the switcheroo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) because he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it. Lying isn't exclusive for Mafia unless the lie has a clear Mafia motivation behind it. And I see no plan behind VA's lie. The lack of plan and the lack of malicious intent points out to VA being town or joker, but not Mafia.
With all that said, I infer that DYH is indeed a pebble in our internet connection and we must get rid of him if we aspire to not go back to times where porn took days to be downloaded.
#nomorelag
~ Urso Brilhante
1) NAI. Both want to survive and I was the only one he could give it to at the time. Second it proves he wasnt lying about what the potato did.
2) Yeah VA did or I couldnt have given it to VA.
3) NAI. Bad use of his role imo but not scummy.
4) Closed set up lying about what something does is much worse when it cant be verified.
IS DYH A PEBBLE IN OUR INTERNET CONNECTION? - AN ESSAY BY URSO BRILHANTE
Although technology evolves exponentially, many still suffer from internet connection problems. Some may say that the problem resides on greedy hosts, others say that the lack of maintance of the cables is to blame. But isn't there something we are forgetting? Aren't we forgetting the evil that lives inside men's hearts and that some may not try to contain it?
I think some of our problems resides on the ill hearted. The ones that wants to play Counter-Strike and doesn't have the ability to terminate the enemy, so they make them lag with package bombing and shoot them while there's nothing the victim can do. Or the guy that is ready to drop a Starcraft player that timed out. Finally, the one that makes people's forums to not load properly so they can't find Mafia. I believe that it is the case of DoYouHas.
DoYouHas isn't trying to lynch Mafia. He is more concerned in being read town and calls people out as Mafia for reasons that doesn't make anyone Mafia. Let's see some reasons why DYH is Mafia:
1) Because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. Why do you give and item right away to someone else?
We all know that the potato deals 1kp to anyone who is holding it at EoD. So one reason to give it right away is to survive. Although a townie could be one behind trying to survive, we all know that the survival instinct is part of the Mafia traits. Even if a town doesn't want to hold the potato, afraid it might kill him, he probably doesn't give it right away to anyone. He will probably search for a scummy person to kill instead of just getting rid of it.
Also, if it deals a kp, he could've just wait until EOD until the very last second to give the potato and kill someone he finds scummy. The lack of awareness shows even more his need to survive.
2) If VA got the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he interpreted the mechanics and how he should deal with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) He went back in time to get the switcheroo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) because he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it. Lying isn't exclusive for Mafia unless the lie has a clear Mafia motivation behind it. And I see no plan behind VA's lie. The lack of plan and the lack of malicious intent points out to VA being town or joker, but not Mafia.
With all that said, I infer that DYH is indeed a pebble in our internet connection and we must get rid of him if we aspire to not go back to times where porn took days to be downloaded.
#nomorelag
~ Urso Brilhante
1) NAI. Both want to survive and I was the only one he could give it to at the time. Second it proves he wasnt lying about what the potato did.
2) Yeah VA did or I couldnt have given it to VA.
3) NAI. Bad use of his role imo but not scummy.
4) Closed set up lying about what something does is much worse when it cant be verified.
IS DYH A PEBBLE IN OUR INTERNET CONNECTION? - AN ESSAY BY URSO BRILHANTE
Although technology evolves exponentially, many still suffer from internet connection problems. Some may say that the problem resides on greedy hosts, others say that the lack of maintance of the cables is to blame. But isn't there something we are forgetting? Aren't we forgetting the evil that lives inside men's hearts and that some may not try to contain it?
I think some of our problems resides on the ill hearted. The ones that wants to play Counter-Strike and doesn't have the ability to terminate the enemy, so they make them lag with package bombing and shoot them while there's nothing the victim can do. Or the guy that is ready to drop a Starcraft player that timed out. Finally, the one that makes people's forums to not load properly so they can't find Mafia. I believe that it is the case of DoYouHas.
DoYouHas isn't trying to lynch Mafia. He is more concerned in being read town and calls people out as Mafia for reasons that doesn't make anyone Mafia. Let's see some reasons why DYH is Mafia:
1) Because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. Why do you give and item right away to someone else?
We all know that the potato deals 1kp to anyone who is holding it at EoD. So one reason to give it right away is to survive. Although a townie could be one behind trying to survive, we all know that the survival instinct is part of the Mafia traits. Even if a town doesn't want to hold the potato, afraid it might kill him, he probably doesn't give it right away to anyone. He will probably search for a scummy person to kill instead of just getting rid of it.
Also, if it deals a kp, he could've just wait until EOD until the very last second to give the potato and kill someone he finds scummy. The lack of awareness shows even more his need to survive.
2) If VA got the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he interpreted the mechanics and how he should deal with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) He went back in time to get the switcheroo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) because he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it. Lying isn't exclusive for Mafia unless the lie has a clear Mafia motivation behind it. And I see no plan behind VA's lie. The lack of plan and the lack of malicious intent points out to VA being town or joker, but not Mafia.
With all that said, I infer that DYH is indeed a pebble in our internet connection and we must get rid of him if we aspire to not go back to times where porn took days to be downloaded.
#nomorelag
~ Urso Brilhante
1) NAI. Both want to survive and I was the only one he could give it to at the time. Second it proves he wasnt lying about what the potato did.
2) Yeah VA did or I couldnt have given it to VA.
3) NAI. Bad use of his role imo but not scummy.
4) Closed set up lying about what something does is much worse when it cant be verified.
I see you have followed up you bad reason for calling me scum with an even more awful case.
On February 01 2016 23:27 GlowingBear wrote: Reasons I think DYH is Mafia:
1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread.
2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it.
I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles
1) You clearly aren't even trying to understand how the potato works. Onegu confirmed my description was accurate. It also doesn't matter what my read on Onegu at the time was. I know my role 100%, getting the KP off me and onto someone who has a chance of being mafia is always the right play. (Side note, this is true if I am mafia as well, which is why I told you it is truly NAI. The only conclusion you can make based off me handing the potato to Onegu is that it is very unlikely that we are a scumteam.)
2) Blatantly false. Post #89
On January 31 2016 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote: ##take potato
3) You came up with two terrible reasons, and they are hardly the only option. Thing you should know: I could not use my ability to save myself. Meaning the votes on me incentivize me to use it before the lynch. Not to mention risking getting shot tonight.
Scenario A: My role is awesome, and while my use of it was not the ideal scenario of bring back a townie killed by mafia, my plan in using my power was also pretty awesome. I was going to, at minimum, confirm two townies or confirm one townie and give a guaranteed scum lynch for day1 by using the swaperoo.
Scenario B: Your assumption is that me, as Mafia, would play against my own wincon. That the hosts would allow me the option to ruin the game like that. Why do I even have to explain how horrible this is?
4) VA has admitted to lying constantly. VA has admitted to being mafia. I have already outlined why we cannot trust anything coming from VA, and then I PROVED that he couldn't be trusted by exposing a direct lie. WHY IS THIS HARD FOR YOU?
On February 02 2016 07:24 DoYouHas wrote: Onegu, I also feel like you are mostly likely town. I've still got the ability to move this potato around and we need to discuss.
I wouldnt mind getting rid of boxer or zyrre as they arent doing anything for us to get a read on at all...
On February 02 2016 07:24 DoYouHas wrote: Onegu, I also feel like you are mostly likely town. I've still got the ability to move this potato around and we need to discuss.
I wouldnt mind getting rid of boxer or zyrre as they arent doing anything for us to get a read on at all...
On February 02 2016 07:24 DoYouHas wrote: Onegu, I also feel like you are mostly likely town. I've still got the ability to move this potato around and we need to discuss.
I wouldnt mind getting rid of boxer or zyrre as they arent doing anything for us to get a read on at all...
I'm happy to hear you say boxer. Scumleaned him early and haven't seen a reason to change that opinion. Zyrre is confirmed town already and has been removed from the game.
On February 02 2016 07:24 DoYouHas wrote: Onegu, I also feel like you are mostly likely town. I've still got the ability to move this potato around and we need to discuss.
I wouldnt mind getting rid of boxer or zyrre as they arent doing anything for us to get a read on at all...
I'm happy to hear you say boxer. Scumleaned him early and haven't seen a reason to change that opinion. Zyrre is confirmed town already and has been removed from the game.
On February 01 2016 23:27 GlowingBear wrote: Reasons I think DYH is Mafia:
1) because he gave the potato to Onegu without thinking about it. He potentially had an item he could use on EoD to deal a kp on who he thought was Mafia, but his first reaction was to give the time away to the first person he saw in the thread.
2) if VA go the potato then DYH lied about the potato mechanic because VA never posted "grab potato" in the thread. So DYH lied about how he dealt with the potato because he was afraid to get flak for the way he handled the item.
3) he went back in time to get the switcher oo when he thought it changed roles. He could do it for two reasons: A) because his role sucks (and it doesn't - his role is actually very good and he could get back in time to more important things for town) B) becase he is Mafia and if he changes role with a town he insta wins the game because he knows every single Mafia in the game.
4) He called VA Mafia for lying when his lie didn't have a clear Mafia motivation behind it.
I can see no other reason to go back in time to grab an item that supposedly switches roles
1) You clearly aren't even trying to understand how the potato works. Onegu confirmed my description was accurate. It also doesn't matter what my read on Onegu at the time was. I know my role 100%, getting the KP off me and onto someone who has a chance of being mafia is always the right play. (Side note, this is true if I am mafia as well, which is why I told you it is truly NAI. The only conclusion you can make based off me handing the potato to Onegu is that it is very unlikely that we are a scumteam.)
On January 31 2016 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote: ##take potato
3) You came up with two terrible reasons, and they are hardly the only option. Thing you should know: I could not use my ability to save myself. Meaning the votes on me incentivize me to use it before the lynch. Not to mention risking getting shot tonight.
Scenario A: My role is awesome, and while my use of it was not the ideal scenario of bring back a townie killed by mafia, my plan in using my power was also pretty awesome. I was going to, at minimum, confirm two townies or confirm one townie and give a guaranteed scum lynch for day1 by using the swaperoo.
Scenario B: Your assumption is that me, as Mafia, would play against my own wincon. That the hosts would allow me the option to ruin the game like that. Why do I even have to explain how horrible this is?
4) VA has admitted to lying constantly. VA has admitted to being mafia. I have already outlined why we cannot trust anything coming from VA, and then I PROVED that he couldn't be trusted by exposing a direct lie. WHY IS THIS HARD FOR YOU?
On February 01 2016 04:39 DoYouHas wrote: @ Vivax, you don't find BF's reasoning to jumping on me suspicious? What exactly was I derailing? Seemed like an invented reason to me.
Essentially, it felt to me like he entered the thread inventing a BS reason to scum me. Hasn't done anything after that to make him town.
VayneAuthority the Magikarp started evolving for a brief second before being obliterated by an angry mob. Boxerfred as Raziel left both realms as the result of an exploding potato. It is now Night 1! Send in all your night actions and stuff. Night ends at 0m 0s.
A bunch of Chinese cookies have appeared! Everyone may take one at most! They read: "There is someone rather annoying in your life that you need to listen to." "Everyone agrees. You are the best." "Conquer your fears or they will conquer you." "Rivers need springs" "Enjoyed the meal? Buy one to go, too." It is now Day 2! You have until Thursday, Feb 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or 0m 0s to place your votes here.
Afaik only jailers are able to block mafia shots, and not in every game (factional vs carried KP). I mean, in all these years playing I don't think I've ever seen something like a town roleblocker stopping KP.
On February 03 2016 11:11 Vivax wrote: Frankenstein cause oft the it lives thingy.
Afaik only jailers are able to block mafia shots, and not in every game (factional vs carried KP). I mean, in all these years playing I don't think I've ever seen something like a town roleblocker stopping KP.
I'm gonna ask Artanis but it doesn't make sense to have night cycles and protection roles if you don't have kp at night
On February 03 2016 11:11 Vivax wrote: Frankenstein cause oft the it lives thingy.
Afaik only jailers are able to block mafia shots, and not in every game (factional vs carried KP). I mean, in all these years playing I don't think I've ever seen something like a town roleblocker stopping KP.
I'm gonna ask Artanis but it doesn't make sense to have night cycles and protection roles if you don't have kp at night
The mask isnt strictly a protection item, mafia can stop any blue role checking him or whatever
On February 03 2016 11:11 Vivax wrote: Frankenstein cause oft the it lives thingy.
Afaik only jailers are able to block mafia shots, and not in every game (factional vs carried KP). I mean, in all these years playing I don't think I've ever seen something like a town roleblocker stopping KP.
I'm gonna ask Artanis but it doesn't make sense to have night cycles and protection roles if you don't have kp at night
The mask isnt strictly a protection item, mafia can stop any blue role checking him or whatever
In case i forget, when the next item spawns one of me/Vivax/GB needs to take it, and noone else. If the item is (sounds) really pro-town we let GB take it, if not, let's think about it then. The point however is if anyone else takes the item without discussion we lynch them.
Feel free to disagree -- with an explanation how any of us three can possibly be mafia. Thanks.
On February 03 2016 17:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case i forget, when the next item spawns one of me/Vivax/GB needs to take it, and noone else. If the item is (sounds) really pro-town we let GB take it, if not, let's think about it then. The point however is if anyone else takes the item without discussion we lynch them.
Feel free to disagree -- with an explanation how any of us three can possibly be mafia. Thanks.
That's very weird shit Koshi. Especially since the hosts have literally confirmed before the game start that everything they say is true, here:
On January 29 2016 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [...] Yeah, I'm not taking that definition. Alignment changing mechanics may occur. What I mean with not a bastard game is that you can be certain that everything my cohost or I say actually is true.
So tell me, do you somehow confuse green with read or what is your actual thought process?
On February 03 2016 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's very weird shit Koshi. Especially since the hosts have literally confirmed before the game start that everything they say is true, here:
On January 29 2016 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [...] Yeah, I'm not taking that definition. Alignment changing mechanics may occur. What I mean with not a bastard game is that you can be certain that everything my cohost or I say actually is true.
So tell me, do you somehow confuse green with read or what is your actual thought process?
Ok. Not bad. Still a very strange mechanic. But sure.
##unvote ##vote: DoYouHas Tryhard, Killing 2 townies which thought he was scum, shot GB (?) in the night who thought he was scum
I am being serious Koshi, if you "steal" the item you will get lynched. The way to lose these themed all roled games is not working for the plan, and you know it.
On February 03 2016 17:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case i forget, when the next item spawns one of me/Vivax/GB needs to take it, and noone else. If the item is (sounds) really pro-town we let GB take it, if not, let's think about it then. The point however is if anyone else takes the item without discussion we lynch them.
Feel free to disagree -- with an explanation how any of us three can possibly be mafia. Thanks.
btw if you think those people are town I disagree and I am the most town of all and there is not a single reason why you are town. Maybe you are mafia with Vivax, or maybe vivax mafia brought you in the game to look town.
That guy tends to do shit that looks town on D1 and then fall off 99% on D2 as mafia.
Anyway. I am not reading or thinking about the game and I am taking the next item.
I don't care what you think. There are very easy reasons why Vivax is not mafia and i cannot possibly be mafia unless Vivax is mafia. There are also very easy reasons why Glowingbear is not mafia.
I have given you the most pro-town action, which is that you do not take the item. If you do not work towards town's wincondition then you should be murdered. It's very simple.
On February 03 2016 17:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case i forget, when the next item spawns one of me/Vivax/GB needs to take it, and noone else. If the item is (sounds) really pro-town we let GB take it, if not, let's think about it then. The point however is if anyone else takes the item without discussion we lynch them.
Feel free to disagree -- with an explanation how any of us three can possibly be mafia. Thanks.
btw if you think those people are town I disagree and I am the most town of all and there is not a single reason why you are town. Maybe you are mafia with Vivax, or maybe vivax mafia brought you in the game to look town.
That guy tends to do shit that looks town on D1 and then fall off 99% on D2 as mafia.
Anyway. I am not reading or thinking about the game and I am taking the next item.
On February 03 2016 17:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case i forget, when the next item spawns one of me/Vivax/GB needs to take it, and noone else. If the item is (sounds) really pro-town we let GB take it, if not, let's think about it then. The point however is if anyone else takes the item without discussion we lynch them.
Feel free to disagree -- with an explanation how any of us three can possibly be mafia. Thanks.
btw if you think those people are town I disagree and I am the most town of all and there is not a single reason why you are town. Maybe you are mafia with Vivax, or maybe vivax mafia brought you in the game to look town.
That guy tends to do shit that looks town on D1 and then fall off 99% on D2 as mafia.
Anyway. I am not reading or thinking about the game and I am taking the next item.
On February 03 2016 17:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case i forget, when the next item spawns one of me/Vivax/GB needs to take it, and noone else. If the item is (sounds) really pro-town we let GB take it, if not, let's think about it then. The point however is if anyone else takes the item without discussion we lynch them.
Feel free to disagree -- with an explanation how any of us three can possibly be mafia. Thanks.
btw if you think those people are town I disagree and I am the most town of all and there is not a single reason why you are town. Maybe you are mafia with Vivax, or maybe vivax mafia brought you in the game to look town.
That guy tends to do shit that looks town on D1 and then fall off 99% on D2 as mafia.
Anyway. I am not reading or thinking about the game and I am taking the next item.
Why aren't you reading the game?
I want an item.
Lol I thought you were going to say that it was because you are lagging. Or are you lagging too?
Koshi there is no reason to not read the game, it is day2 and we have less than 18 pages to read. You've called me Mafia in the dumbest way possible then you've changed to DYH out if nowhere. You don't have reads, you aren't trying to solve the game. You're just... here, giving excuses to not play the game. You're Mafia.
I am willing to get lynched today. You will not lynch mafia. You will lynch town. You will lynch the best townrole (maybe not in this setup). You have been warned.
On February 03 2016 23:13 Koshi wrote: I am willing to get lynched today. You will not lynch mafia. You will lynch town. You will lynch the best townrole (maybe not in this setup). You have been warned.
On February 03 2016 23:13 Koshi wrote: I am willing to get lynched today. You will not lynch mafia. You will lynch town. You will lynch the best townrole (maybe not in this setup). You have been warned.
I am around. (but mostly to pick up an item.)
Tbh Id rather lynch DYH.
Well with there being 2 mafia left and I being the only one who could be mafia with anybody I think that I will get a turn anyway.
And I know hes town, but he doesnt have confirmation if I'm town. I am though :> As for whether he has powers or not, he can decide if he wants to disclose it.
So is anyone interested in trying to win this game and doing townie things here? Or are you all just gonna post nothing and troll? Because that's what has being on in this game since beginning.
On February 03 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda want DHY to answer me on the following things:
Why did he decide to use his rewind ability on stealing VA's item instead of bringing confirmed town Zyrre back to life?
What was he confused about after D1 end?
I would appreciate detailed answers DYH, thanks.
1. I could maybe have brought Zyrre back, but I couldn't have changed that his wincon was completed, so he would have just been removed again. 2. I was 100% sure that VA was anti-town and I was scumming bf. I got my way on two deaths. Being wrong on both was very confusing.
On February 04 2016 07:12 DoYouHas wrote: @Vivax, why did you wait this long to bring someone guaranteed to be town into the game?
Cause I don't want to do excessively townie things on D1? I saw it as the trump card to become something like confirmed town since I'm basically a one-time recruiting mason.
Pretty much the reason I was so eager for people like ace to commit to a scumread on me whenever they tried to discredit me in some way.
DYH if you don't want to lynch KOshi Onegu is the only other option, but I think he's townish for tone, he slaps a lot of shallow reads around when he's mafia.
So right now it looks like you and Koshi are the best lynches.
And since you used your power you can claim your full role anyway
- Glowingbear is town because the host said he is town. If there is an alignment-changing mechanic that happens mid-phase then it's unfortunate but that should not be the assumption in the first place, since it's just unreasonable to assume so. Obviously you can try to wifom every single thing in a mafia game if you so choose but that is just dumb.
- Vivax is town as he brought me to the game. If he is mafia and i am not that is just retarded thing to do (and a retarded power in the first place) and that just does not go as an argument. Sure you can argue that i am mafia with him. But then you come into the questions; Why do i post anything in the game right now? Why does Vivax do this on this phase (since he wasn't even under any suspicion). I can't answer the second question except for that it would be dumb to do that, and Koshi can try to yell "Vivax does dumb things as mafia" all he wants but it doesn't make it any more true. But the first question i can answer;
- If i am mafia with Vivax here i would not be posting in this game. If that is the case the game is right now 4-2 and we would need one mislynch to win the game. I would tell Vivax in our QT to make everyone massclaim and vote at the last second --> kill someone during the night --> win. Vivax' power works so that the hosts DO NOT CLARIFY i am in the game, which is proven by the thread. Even if you argue "Vivax does stupid things as mafia", i don't do stupid things as mafia.
And that's why Vivax is town aswell. Which also automatically makes me town.
Vivax thinks DYH could be mafia but i heavily disagree. I only wanted him to confirm his actions (or why he did them) and it makes sense from townie perspective. Saying "he killed two townies" is retarded because you FUCKING ALL thought both of bf/VA are scum. DYH is also a good scumplayer and i don't really think he would have fucked up with the potato early game as mafia. It's kinda sad those are the most townie things i can find in thread, but what can you do...
Koshi's cases are not based on anything and if he does not cooperate we should lynch him. I don't care. His cases are "well this guy (GB) got basically modconfirmed so i don't believe it and he is scum" and "Vivax did a townie thing so he could be mafia" AFTER saying he will "not vote for ANYONE except for DYH on D2". The whole thing doesn't make any sense from any perspective.
I don't know what Onegu is doing, well probably because he is not doing anything.
DYH is never ever mafia with Onegu, even if i am wrong on him --> so therefore if there is 2 mafia left in the game (i don't even believe that there is), Koshi has to be scum.
The best course of action is to massclaim (except for GB and me). I can claim if you guys insist, but i will do that the last, and GB will not claim in any case. Vivax has already claimed. So, go. Please.
And do not fucking take the items before them being discussed. It's anti-town. And will get you lynched.
So, rayn can't be mafia unless vivax is mafia. Vivax is only mafia if he is a recruitment role, and in a strange twist, has to recruit from outside the starting playerlist.
I would rather be sure before committing to lynching anyone. It's the best play for Onegu and Koshi to claim. It's the best play noone takes the item in case one spawns, before we talk about it. Just look at what happened on D1 when people were just being dumb...
How am I playing against my wincon? You do not need to know my role and I can take any fucking item I can. It's not because you can't read me as town, that I can't take an item.
You haven't done anything townie in this game and people do not know if you are town or not, nor do you have any way of proving yourself town (except for by claiming that would be possible -- which you refuse to).
If you can't understand why working towards the plan is the best play then i refuse to believe you because you are not fucking stupid enough to realize that knowing from what game you have JUST came out of.
It is always more likely that people who do not work towards plans without any actual reason (see any PYP game on this site) are mafia. Noone has told me why my plan is bad. Koshi refuses to cooperate for shit reasons. Therefore he is very likely to be mafia.
Well. It could be a red Lister but I am back on voting DYH. Extremely bad reaction to killing 2 townies during D1, + was the kp on GB who was protected and also scumread him?
##unvote ##vote DYH
I'll completely be honest once more and tell you I do not intend to go through the hassle to call rayn or Vivax mafia. + kp on gb makes sense or somebody is not claiming.
On February 05 2016 03:32 Onegu wrote: I am here still really sick.
Am I allowed to quote PMs?
Prolly not
I am Lister
N1 I can put my smell on someone + anyone who visits me gets my smell.
N2 I can see everyone who gets my smell.
N3 I can cop check one person who has my smell.
I put my smell on GB last night. I am in a mason qt with GB now.
What do you mean see everyone? Are you masoned with GB cause of your role?
Why do you claim cop when you aren't being lynched?
No I didnt mason with GB. I think GB's role is when someone visits him he masons with them. I get a list of everyone who has my smell. Then on N3 I can check one of them. So like if no one visited me I will get a cop check on GB day 3. Such powerful role...
In a heavily themed game where there are likely investigative and kp town roles Koshi has put himself repeatedly in the crosshairs from the start of the game. Claiming you are town that wants to be mafia/open to being converted automatically puts you on peoples radar. Suggesting that he should be lynched, that a lynch would help him, and that he wouldn't mind hanging on to the potato for a while. Almost all of his play this game puts him in the spotlight when there was no need to. It seems to me that for Koshi to be mafia he would need to have committed to a pretty big lie right from the start instead of building up lies around half truths like everyone else does. He also has to be comfortable with having a target on his back. Side possiblity: He is some sort of delayed bomber role that needs to wait to blow people up to win.
That side possibility is actually not very far fetched if we think about what has been claimed so far.
Vivax's role doesn't visit anybody My role doesn't visit anybody GB's role probably has something to do with the Hamburgers thing, doesn't appear to visit people. Onegu's role tracks people Koshi's role ???
So what is the value in the tracking aspect of Onegu's role?
On February 05 2016 07:19 DoYouHas wrote: That side possibility is actually not very far fetched if we think about what has been claimed so far.
Vivax's role doesn't visit anybody My role doesn't visit anybody GB's role probably has something to do with the Hamburgers thing, doesn't appear to visit people. Onegu's role tracks people Koshi's role ???
So what is the value in the tracking aspect of Onegu's role?
On February 05 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote: Guess I'll claim cuz I am playing doto and I wont be around.
I am a busdriver. I swapped myself and DoYouHas N1 and taunted him a bit to shoot me.
So I got to rewind time, Vivax got to pull in a mason from outside the game, Onegu is a tracker/cop combo, GB loves hamburgers, and you are just a busdriver?
On February 05 2016 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: He claims a role that is completely useless + he visited you (who is the person who would not die if NK'd)... nobody died. I kinda believe Koshi.
Why would he visit me to put his smell AND kill me?
On February 05 2016 07:19 DoYouHas wrote: That side possibility is actually not very far fetched if we think about what has been claimed so far.
Vivax's role doesn't visit anybody My role doesn't visit anybody GB's role probably has something to do with the Hamburgers thing, doesn't appear to visit people. Onegu's role tracks people Koshi's role ???
So what is the value in the tracking aspect of Onegu's role?
I watch myself.
This response to misrepresenting his role makes me trust the claim more.
I think I'm leaning Vivax. He would be completely in the clear due to numbers if someone had died last night. But it doesn't seem too far fetched to me that he could choose to not kill someone at night and instead pull a buddy into the game.
On the other hand we have a busdriver. We have a guy who can bring someone from outside the game to the game, We have a guy who can bring someone back from dead. We don't even know what GB is but i believe he is not mafia unless we are being trolled by the hosts. And then... we have a guy who "might have a cop chekc on N3".
On February 05 2016 07:38 DoYouHas wrote: I think I'm leaning Vivax. He would be completely in the clear due to numbers if someone had died last night. But it doesn't seem too far fetched to me that he could choose to not kill someone at night and instead pull a buddy into the game.
On February 05 2016 07:38 DoYouHas wrote: I think I'm leaning Vivax. He would be completely in the clear due to numbers if someone had died last night. But it doesn't seem too far fetched to me that he could choose to not kill someone at night and instead pull a buddy into the game.
On February 05 2016 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so DYH doesn't think anyone is mafia?
On the other hand we have a busdriver. We have a guy who can bring someone from outside the game to the game, We have a guy who can bring someone back from dead. We don't even know what GB is but i believe he is not mafia unless we are being trolled by the hosts. And then... we have a guy who "might have a cop chekc on N3".
On February 05 2016 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so DYH doesn't think anyone is mafia?
On the other hand we have a busdriver. We have a guy who can bring someone from outside the game to the game, We have a guy who can bring someone back from dead. We don't even know what GB is but i believe he is not mafia unless we are being trolled by the hosts. And then... we have a guy who "might have a cop chekc on N3".
On February 05 2016 07:38 DoYouHas wrote: I think I'm leaning Vivax. He would be completely in the clear due to numbers if someone had died last night. But it doesn't seem too far fetched to me that he could choose to not kill someone at night and instead pull a buddy into the game.
Do you believe Rayn is pro town?
If we weren't in potential LYLO I would say yes, for sure. Since we are I would say NAI
On February 05 2016 07:51 DoYouHas wrote: I assume so.
Tell me if this doesn't sound awesome:
You, as Mafia, change alignment with a town. Now you're town and the townie is Mafia. And you know who is Mafia. BAM. Insta win.
It would require scum!me to play against my own wincondition. I've explained this before.
Well, if you change alignments your wincondition changes as well
It DOESN'T MATTER, holy crap. The only thing that matters is what your wincon is when you start the action. If I was scum then my wincon would be to make mafia win. Swapping with a townie does not make mafia win, and therefore is against my wincon.
On February 05 2016 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: And now you're voting confirmed town
Rofl you're mafia.
You are not nearly as confirmed as rayn seems to think. You were revealed by a cookie, the rules of which we do not know. You were not directly modconfirmed.
On February 05 2016 07:51 DoYouHas wrote: I assume so.
Tell me if this doesn't sound awesome:
You, as Mafia, change alignment with a town. Now you're town and the townie is Mafia. And you know who is Mafia. BAM. Insta win.
It would require scum!me to play against my own wincondition. I've explained this before.
Well, if you change alignments your wincondition changes as well
It DOESN'T MATTER, holy crap. The only thing that matters is what your wincon is when you start the action. If I was scum then my wincon would be to make mafia win. Swapping with a townie does not make mafia win, and therefore is against my wincon.
This game surely can't have conversion mechanics then
On February 05 2016 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: And now you're voting confirmed town
Rofl you're mafia.
You are not nearly as confirmed as rayn seems to think. You were revealed by a cookie, the rules of which we do not know. You were not directly modconfirmed.
On February 05 2016 07:51 DoYouHas wrote: I assume so.
Tell me if this doesn't sound awesome:
You, as Mafia, change alignment with a town. Now you're town and the townie is Mafia. And you know who is Mafia. BAM. Insta win.
It would require scum!me to play against my own wincondition. I've explained this before.
Well, if you change alignments your wincondition changes as well
It DOESN'T MATTER, holy crap. The only thing that matters is what your wincon is when you start the action. If I was scum then my wincon would be to make mafia win. Swapping with a townie does not make mafia win, and therefore is against my wincon.
This game surely can't have conversion mechanics then
I'm saying that a self-initiated conversion mechanic from scum to town does not make sense.
On February 05 2016 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: And now you're voting confirmed town
Rofl you're mafia.
You are not nearly as confirmed as rayn seems to think. You were revealed by a cookie, the rules of which we do not know. You were not directly modconfirmed.
Really?
Tell me then: why I'm Mafia?
Not sure if you are mafia, but you were pissing me off and you are not confirmed town.
The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.
This is an easy solve at this point assuming we don't lose at the end of tonight. Especially if Onegu got killed by rayns ability.
If vivax/rayn are still alive and we are at 5 people. Lynch vivax to confirm rayn and ensure there is no scum team. If vivax/rayn are still alive and we are at 4 people they are confirmed town. If either vivax/rayn die tonight it confirms the other, and the choice comes down to Onegu/GB.
Today, there is a mayor vote. The player with the highest number of votes gets the hammer. The mayor may hammer anyone into the dirt except the first person to vote for him. Any player may only be exempt from the first player they voted for. It is now Day 3! You have until 0m 0s to vote. You may vote here.
The best plan is still to get rid of Vivax to confirm rayn unless I'm missing something. I'm the only one that can be trusted to use the hammer this way so vote me mayor.
Ok, GB, you said that if Onegu was left alive then you had a plan to confirm him as town. You got your wish, have you confirmed him?
Rayn, what was the apocalypse action you "used" on Onegu?
You may be comfortable with me dying today, but I won't go quietly into that good night. To the end I'm going to be pro-town. 40 hours of nothing will not be my legacy as you go into N3.
You didn't do anything, you had no opinion on the lynch, you voted for the technically mod-confirmed townie instead who you have literally zero reason to think is mafia.
Onegu is probably not scum.
I am gonna die in ~5 hours. That's my role, i am in the game for exactly 72 hours. I am town, Vivax is town, GB is town.
It's pretty alarming that there's no KP so far though. But if we play against cult then they should have already won, or they will when rayn is gone, unless he got converted which would be kinda hilarious since he's not going to stay.
Actually, the best way to do this is the following:
Everyone unvotes. ##unvote Then Glowingbear votes for himself first, and other people follow. That way GB can lynch whoever he wants to (right now he could not lynch Onegu since Onegu voted for him first).
GB: Vivax is not mafia. There is literally no way Vivax is mafia. Onegu's reaction N1 is kinda townie. Look at my post on DYH. I'd say the chances are DYH 80%, Onegu 20%.
If GB was also given a gun from opening that cookie then he was hanging onto it so that he could endgame. If I shot Vivax and he still got mayor, he could have endgamed.
On February 07 2016 03:21 DoYouHas wrote: If GB was also given a gun from opening that cookie then he was hanging onto it so that he could endgame. If I shot Vivax and he still got mayor, he could have endgamed.
Well he couldnt have shot me. I didnt out to the thread but outed to him in QT that I also have a bulletproof vest.
In a game where mafia didn't have KP so far, where do you think they have KP Onegu?
From a fortune cookie? LOLZ. It's clear it was just DYH holding onto his 1 KP in a game of maybe 3-4 town and rest 3p.
If you're 3p you should let me win cause we're voice buddies and if you're a dick to me ill hate you into eternity. If you're town one of you or me becomes mayor, we kill DYH and win the game.
I happen to believe you are town, Vivax. But it was worth the shot on the chance that I was wrong to see if I could get you to concede. You are wrong about me, but you are presenting what I would expect from a tunneling townie and your power and use thereof is more likely to be town.
I also think Onegu is town, which leaves me with a pretty clear route if elected mayor. I am going to try and hammer Ace. IF he is an invalid target, I will probably go for Vivax, but I'm not 100% on this.
Us both being town is far more likely. What I'm saying is that Ace's death text had wiggle room for whether or not he was actually dead. Add that to GB's role being named Lag and Ace might not be completely gone.
I think the cookie that "revealed" GB's alignment was close to b-modding and Onegu's claim was super fake, i just forgot to tell that to Vivax before i left the game, i didn't actually even think it was likely DYH is scum, just felt like trolling a little and then i ran out of time to be on computer (and also misread the time i was thrown out of the game ).
It was definitely a wacky game. Super low activity since I imagine people were like me in letting the mechanics of the game largely resolve things for us instead of having to solve things as much as normal. Was lots of fun though.
tbh when you have a game where people claim roles like busdriver, role that can basically revive a player, a role that brings someone out of the game into the game -- when someone claims "i might be able to cop someone on N3" they are always mafia. I was quite mad at DYH & Vivax for not voting for Onegu.... Then i remembered this game was ~16 pages with absolutely nothing in the thread so i stopped caring.
On February 08 2016 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh when you have a game where people claim roles like busdriver, role that can basically revive a player, a role that brings someone out of the game into the game -- when someone claims "i might be able to cop someone on N3" they are always mafia. I was quite mad at DYH & Vivax for not voting for Onegu.... Then i remembered this game was ~16 pages with absolutely nothing in the thread so i stopped caring.
You underestimated that Onegu and I had bonded over the heat of a potato.
EDIT: Do you realize Onegu had no "bonding" there since he was not exactly trying to "risk his life" as he wrote the potato line before he knew what it did?
EDIT2: The only one who unnecessarily risked their life there was VA and that never makes them mafia, in fact it does the opposite.
Well risked his life is "risked his life" since it was quite obvious VA wanted the potato so he could use his switcheroo power right at the eod and kill a person of his choosing which noone realized.... But since every single one of you thought he was scum it was irrelevant and explaining it would not help anyone.
On February 08 2016 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well risked his life is "risked his life" since it was quite obvious VA wanted the potato so he could use his switcheroo power right at the eod and kill a person of his choosing which noone realized.... But since every single one of you thought he was scum it was irrelevant and explaining it would not help anyone.
it didnt matter either way, i wanted the potato even without switcheroo so I could evolve. Then I would get 1KP every night.
but hey i tried my hardest to throw and win, best ever
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