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On February 01 2016 12:56 darthfoley wrote: I think the lack of useful discussion is something to be mindful of. Don't think it's simply random
Oh so like the scum are getting edgy because their teammate just got lynched, and now they want to promote useless talk. Makes sense, good thinking
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I'm going to sit out for a few hours, I think PMT and darth are the only people I trust right now to give us accurate, meaningful reads.
+ Show Spoiler + also, school. I'll find reasons to come back online every so often
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Wow. Yeah. I'll have to think about this. Good investigative hypotheses @Eden. Very deep. Very deep.
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Hey guys I might not be around for the night end.
I think the mafia is: Eden1892 Trfel
Scum lean: scott31733 Tumblewood
Town: darthfoley Shapelog
Unknown: nooniansoong
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Why don't you give your opinion and then ask for others'? Present your case
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OK, so on the night kill.
Why did the Mafia kill Eden1892? How does this benefit the Mafia?
I've thought of two answers. 1. Eden1892 was getting too close to the truth. 2. Killing Eden1892 somehow made scum less suspicious.
On answer #1 + Show Spoiler + Eden decided(with his town reads), that the Mafia must come from PepperMintTea, nooniansoong, and Tumblewood. {post #1691} He went on to scum read Tumblewood and nooniansoong.
Eden saw that •Ikidomari was flip floppy on Tumblewood •Ikidomari thought Trfel was for sure Mafia •Ikidomari attacked Trfel for Trfel's tumblewood read
He used this information to associate Ikidomari with Tumblewood.
Eden does the same thing with nooniansoong, using the weirdness of noon's attack on Trfel, his town read on Eden, and his being on IKidomari's null/watch list.
I actually this this is good case. Due to my association read of Eden1892 (which was completely wrong), I thought by more association that Trfel was scum. But definitely less likely now.
If reason #1, I can believe a Tumble wood and nooniansoong scumteam.
On answer #2 + Show Spoiler + Let's think of the people who would look less suspicious if Eden1892 were to die and flip town.
This would include: • Eden's town reads •People who had a lot of interaction with Eden (especially near the end)
The people who fit best into those categories are: _MexicanAlien Trfel darthfoley
MexicanAlien. Eden1892 flying off the handle at me (loads of useless talk) but near the end giving me a 'basically confirmed town' would really help me as scum.
Trfel. This guy seems to have been really buddying Eden a lot, especially for having scum read Eden. He mostly stayed in the background early in the game without making many connections, but then came out and agreed with almost everything Eden says. Also, Eden was town reading Trfel for a good amount of time, so this could leave Trfel with still a clear name.
darthfoley. He's vigilante. 'Nuff said.
I feel much less confident in this reason than in #1, mostly because of less powerful logic.
If reason #2, Trfel is Mafia. I don't have any idea as to who his scummate would be, too tired at this point.
Just some reasoning. Really tired and need to do some application forms for summer programs, catch y'all later.
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I agree @darthfoley Also, if you look at her play, it has gone from "good analysis/trying to solve"(which looks very pro-town) to this sort of 'I don't care what happens I'll lynch whoever' attitude.
From very pro town, good analyzing, little activity To bad/unexplained reads and votes, half-assed play, almost no activity.
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If PepprMintTea is scum, I think her most logical scummate is nooniansoong
If Tumblewood is scum, I think nooniansoong is the most logical scummate.
If scott31337 is scum, I think nooniansong is a possible scummate.
I think nooniansoong is a pretty good lynch candidate.
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I think nooniansoong is quite weird concerning his play/activity.
thoughts on nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Early on in the game he refused to give explanations of his townreads time and time again, because he didn't want to ' give them a free defense'. This made a little bit of sense while the game was still young, but it doesn't later because you should want to prove to the rest of town that your townreads are true, so you can go on hunting scum.
With his scumreads, not posting them initially also makes a little bit of sense, but again, as the game goes on, you should be willing to prove/back up your reads. nooniansoong's play seemed very 'I read X, Y, Z as town and A, B, C as scum, but I don't want to tell you why. Because I'm too cool and I'm going to be right.'
It seems his apparent willingness to at least partially share his reasoning (however copied and repetitive it may be) now is the fact that he has been coming under increasing suspicion as the game moves along. So, to try to appear helpful and town, he posts a lot more.
also, nooniansoong seems almost too willing to let the newbs (me, shapelog, ect) direct the rest of town with bad reads and seems to go along with unspoken newb consensus. he seems to promote the suspicions and reads of the newbies as long as they don't conflict with his agenda.
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Hey guys sorry I haven't been around for the past day or so had a combination of rolling blackout, sleep, and school applications that needed urgent attention.
So awesome that we got Mafia ( cant really claim any part in that though)!
Yeah so scott31337's claim on the blue role can be believed, as I'm Vanilla Townie.
darthfoley is probably our MVP right now, I think his above list is spot on. For those who don't remember:
I will post a quick list from best lynch to worst lynch. I'll explain why later/tomorrow
Kush PMT Shapelog Trfel MexicanAlien Scott
I stand by my nooniansoong suspicion, but as scott31337 put it, we have to look at other options as well. I think the last mafia (if it's not nooniansoong) will be more than happy to quick lynch kush.
nooniansoong, I think you need to talk about your *cough*role block*cough*.
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Really Shapelog? really? please stop basing your suspicions on accusations from players that are desperately trying to not be lynched but still don't want to offer a defense for themselves.
I still think it's nooniansoong but if its not we can still have one more day.
## vote: nooniansoong
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noon, really though, on the chance that you are town, please give a full defense for yourself, and post two separate full accounts of your reads and reasons on both PMT and Myself.
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For someone who is 'invested in the game' you really seem to be supporting useless talk and...... well..... yeah..... with shapelog.......
+ Show Spoiler +@nooniansoong You should come up with better scumreads than that if you want anyone to back you. I apologize in advance if you are town, but you aren't doing an awful lot to stop it, now are you?
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nooniansoong and PMT, if both of you are town, screw you.
The fact that they are voting for each other makes me think one of them is scum though.
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I take that back, it is NAI
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On February 07 2016 01:15 Shapelog wrote: You know its funny. We have 1 person who was very active d1 but has drop (had some RL things), MA We have 1 person who was not very active/helpful D1, but now is, Kush And We have a meh person thoughout, PMT
3 people, 2 lynchs, 1 scum.
The only thing i agree with here is the thing about me. + Show Spoiler +I was as helpful as I could possibly be for D1/N1, and my reads have gotten better and I have been on the scum trail more as the game progresses but I do admit the frequency of my posts has dropped dramatically since N3-ish
How is nooniansoong helpful now? As opposed to not especially helpful throughout (which is how he seems to me) what had he contributed in the last 36 hours that helps?
PMT was not really active that much but it did seen like she was trying to be helpful on D1 and sort of D2
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Why did you switch to PMT @Trfel ? Im pretty sure nooniansoong is scum.... But then again I was sure you and Eden1892 were scum too.....
I feel like there are two roads to choose from and both of them could be town and both could be scum but we won't know unless we lynch one or the other. Does it matter which one we do tonight? We might lose a town..... I just think nooniansoong is the scummier one....
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