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On February 01 2016 11:00 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think it's funny how often Eden has brought up his going back and forth with darthfoley last game?
And how adamant Eden and Ikidomari are that they can't be scum together?
no.
and no.
Going back and forth with darth last game is relevant because he did the same thing with ikido. Why wouldn't he bring it up as town?
He's adamant he can't be scum with Ikido because he sees himself as the principle pusher of ikido, which actually he was. There was a very complicated interaction with him in which he scumread ikido and then he didn't and then he did again. It's tinfoily to say that's scum vs scum.
Then there's the fact that he brought up of how he could have easily killed you rather than ikido today if he were scum.
Do you expect townEden to say "well I suppose I could be scum with Ikido"? Maybe but it would be kinda weird.
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On February 01 2016 11:08 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 11:00 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think it's funny how often Eden has brought up his going back and forth with darthfoley last game?
And how adamant Eden and Ikidomari are that they can't be scum together? no. and no. Going back and forth with darth last game is relevant because he did the same thing with ikido. Why wouldn't he bring it up as town? He's adamant he can't be scum with Ikido because he sees himself as the principle pusher of ikido, which actually he was. There was a very complicated interaction with him in which he scumread ikido and then he didn't and then he did again. It's tinfoily to say that's scum vs scum. Then there's the fact that he brought up of how he could have easily killed you rather than ikido today if he were scum. Do you expect townEden to say "well I suppose I could be scum with Ikido"? Maybe but it would be kinda weird.
Oh please, he took 5 minutes to OMGUS, then he had me and darthfoley backing him, but he decided 'oh shame poor little Ikidomari hes just a little noob.' He wanted to look like he was fully scumming ikidomari. Then, after iki came back under town suspicion, eden1892 pretended he was scum reading the whole time.
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On February 01 2016 10:08 Eden1892 wrote:
My working theory before actually reexamining his reads is that, as I noted initially, the 3-3-3 reads were fabricated. I doubt he townread any of his teammates unless they were widely townread. Probably he left one of them off and null'd the other.
Of course the other thing to note is that he flip flopped on Jesus between his fabricated reads and his 3-3-3 reads. I can't reread that right now but I would bet it will clearly tell us Jesus's alignment.
How can you even say what he 'probably' did? You cannot put yourself in his position, not if you gro how to be accurate. And a flip flop for Jesus does not mean his read will 'clearly tell us Jesus's alignment.
Also, why can't you reread it right now?
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On February 01 2016 10:43 nooniansoong wrote:
@shape.
yup all his town reads are turning up to be town.
so all his scumreads are probably scum.
Pssssht. Please. He TR'd the players who looked most VT to town consensus. Why he had me as a scumlean I don't know.
Regardless, you don't know that. I agree it's likely he scumread at last one of his teammates, I think the other one is in his town leans or close watch. Namely, Trfel and Eden1892.
Think about it. If the one in his scum reads got lynched, he could say 'I thought he was scum so I'm not scum'. If the town lean got lynched, he could say 'well I want completely sure about him' or some poop.
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I'm leaning nooniansoong being scum, being the other Town lean of scum.
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Wait.... though I still think Trfel is scummy, he was the first one to vote for ikidomari. Which doesn't mean that much.
Either it's a bus (idk wouldn't that be the later voters as scum<eden>), or maybe it's
nooniansoong scum(protecting scum with likely other candidate, then not switching vote to avoid suspicion.)
And Trfel's just suspicious because... Bleugh idk why Trfel's acting the way he has been.
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Mexican it doesn't mean much revel voted ikido.
If you believe my scumteam ikido, jesus, tefel, those were the only realblymch candidates so there wasn't really a mislynch for him on the table.
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Nooniansoong is correct.
But _MexicanAlien, what do you mean by "the way Trfel's been acting"? (paraphrased) As in, what do you find weird about my actions?
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Just want to summarize publicly Ikidomari's two read posts
First read post
Town:
darthfoley
Alur
PMT
Scum:
Onegu
JesusIncarnate
Trfel
Last read post
Town:
Alur
Kuragari (already dead)
Darthfoley
MexicanAlien
Eden
Tumblewood
Null/Doesn't give a read:
PMT
Shapelog (says he's town for now, look at him very closely)
Scum
Onegu
Trfel
Kush
JesusIncarnate
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On February 01 2016 12:10 nooniansoong wrote:
Mexican it doesn't mean much revel voted ikido.
If you believe my scumteam ikido, jesus, tefel, those were the only realblymch candidates so there wasn't really a mislynch for him on the table.
That's what I said
"Which doesn't mean much".
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forgot to add:
Keep a close eye on (read post 1): Kuragari, Shapelog, Tumblewood
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Doesn't it make sense that a newbie mafia member wouldn't know how to properly "read" their scum teammates, lending them more likely to be in the "keep a close eye on"/ null read category?
That would be Tumblewood, Shapelog, and PMT
Think we should also figure out who Ikidomari seemed allergic to in the thread. Who didn't he talk to directly, or talk much about indirectly? Which of his reads seem forced? I will look into this myself, but I want to see what others think.
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On February 01 2016 12:13 Trfel wrote:
Nooniansoong is correct.
But _MexicanAlien, what do you mean by "the way Trfel's been acting"? (paraphrased) As in, what do you find weird about my actions?
Well of course you think nooniansoong is correct. You don't have an objective perspective on the things people say about you, so of course you'll agree with anything anyone says that puts down scumreads of you, or builds up townreads of you.
Really. Just really. You don't respond to any of my big posts about your suspicious play in late day1 and night 1, and now you have the audacity to ask me what I mean by your behavior?.
+ Show Spoiler +Someone please make a link to those posts(you know when you say 'here' and it's a hyperlink). I don't know how.
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I thought you were open to discussion. As in, a two way street.
I guess not. So, never mind. Which is why I didn't respond in the first place, for the record.
Also, I agreed that nooniansoong's point about my being the first one to vote for Ikidomari (in and of itself) saying anything about my alignment, as opposed to a townread. Which directly contradicts what you say. Please try considering what you are saying, and read things with an open mind, it will help you in the long term.
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Nvm just go read my filter. Page 6.
Take note of posts
#1040-#1044
#1096
#1119
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And if you want to know how to do the hyperlink thing:
[ url=(link) ]visible text[ /url ]
Without the spaces, and with a link in place of the (link). You can quote this post to see an example of the code for the link.
example link
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On February 01 2016 12:25 Trfel wrote:
I thought you were open to discussion. As in, a two way street.
I guess not. So, never mind. Which is why I didn't respond in the first place, for the record.
Also, I agreed that nooniansoong's point about my being the first one to vote for Ikidomari (in and of itself) saying anything about my alignment, as opposed to a townread. Which directly contradicts what you say. Please try considering what you are saying, and read things with an open mind, it will help you in the long term.
This is an excuse. If you were town, you would want to defend yourself. I'm open to you (two way street), but not if you just ignore my points.
Using the two way street analogy, I'm driving my Trfel wagon down the street, but going not too fast so as to be aware of Trfel and what he says in grits
His defense. Trfel is just sitting on the side of the road refusing to do anything. Anything but complain.
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On January 29 2016 09:43 _MexicanAlien wrote:Scum quote of the year: Courtesy of resident scumbag Trfel.
I know this isn't relevant anymore to the case, but let's not forget this gem. 
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On February 01 2016 12:33 Trfel wrote:And if you want to know how to do the hyperlink thing: [ url=(link) ]visible text[ /url ] Without the spaces, and with a link in place of the (link). You can quote this post to see an example of the code for the link. example link
How do you find the link? Post id? Is it possible from a phone?
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On February 01 2016 12:33 _MexicanAlien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 12:25 Trfel wrote:
I thought you were open to discussion. As in, a two way street.
I guess not. So, never mind. Which is why I didn't respond in the first place, for the record.
Also, I agreed that nooniansoong's point about my being the first one to vote for Ikidomari (in and of itself) saying anything about my alignment, as opposed to a townread. Which directly contradicts what you say. Please try considering what you are saying, and read things with an open mind, it will help you in the long term. This is an excuse. If you were town, you would want to defend yourself. I'm open to you (two way street), but not if you just ignore my points. Using the two way street analogy, I'm driving my Trfel wagon down the street, but going not too fast so as to be aware of Trfel and what he says in grits His defense. Trfel is just sitting on the side of the road refusing to do anything. Anything but complain. This is not true,and you know it.On January 29 2016 09:43 _MexicanAlien wrote:Scum quote of the year: Courtesy of resident scumbag Trfel. On January 29 2016 13:55 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Trfel, no one called you stupid. We called you scum. Stop playing the victim. You voted for tumble when there was practically no chance of his being lynched. Is honestly ******* annoying how you act like you were unjustly treated.
I noticed You ignored my very convincing post about you.
Trfel for Mafia! I could go on and on.
I don't talk to people like this, because it serves no purpose, is torture, and can't possibly convince them of anything.
If you're going to interpret everything to fit your conclusion, no matter how blatantly you need to lie and misinterpret things to do so, then of course you'll still see your conclusion as right. And there's nothing I can do to change this, because you interpret the things that I say falsely such as to make me mafia.
Please don't accuse me of not trying. I have been trying as hard as I can this game. Look at Day 2, at the analysis that I made and the discussion I caused, while most people were largely passive. You disagree with my analysis, I get that, but you can't deny that if I am town here, I have been trying. Because I've been trying to play this game and to help town win to the very best of my abilities, including avoiding pointless discussion when it's obvious.
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