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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
January 28 2016 19:18 GMT
#901
I have like 15 minutes and then I will not be able to get on before the deadline. I will post a quick summary of my reads if I don't get called out by a teach again.
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 19:19 GMT
#902
In light of PepperMintTea's, Alur's, and nooniansoong's recent mentions of Ikidomari, I move him from scum to scum lean.

Ikidomari, I apologize for the WIFOM.
+ Show Spoiler +
I still think you could have just pointed out the WIFOMness of my suggestion. Therefore making my suggestion null

My main problem wasnt with you per se, it was with Eden. Because I agreed with his scum read for you, but he took it back so quickly. I do not want to give a read based on this, but I do want a response from Eden.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 19:19 GMT
#903
If he's a town alligned role, and he's exhausted every single argument for his innocence, including giving us his reads, and he's still slated to be lynched - yes, he should obviously claim, we don't want to lynch a role.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:20 GMT
#904
so then should kura claim because he has 15 minutes left and he's up for lynch
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:21 GMT
#905
i say yes. kura- claim!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 19:23 GMT
#906
Noon, you were very adamant about not telling me why you townread Trfel. Now hes on your rather large scumlist, without any explanation as to why.

Whats happened? I'm assuming you're not gonna tell me. But I should at least point it out to the town.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:24 GMT
#907
On January 29 2016 04:23 Alur wrote:
Noon, you were very adamant about not telling me why you townread Trfel. Now hes on your rather large scumlist, without any explanation as to why.

Whats happened? I'm assuming you're not gonna tell me. But I should at least point it out to the town.


basically i'm wavering on him and on the fence.
I can't give you details about why because i haven't looked at him closely yet.
Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
January 28 2016 19:25 GMT
#908
I am a town aligned vanilla.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:25 GMT
#909
KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:27 GMT
#910
ninjad. and thank you. Role claiming doesn't happen nearly enough in games.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 19:29 GMT
#911
Just gonna reiterate that he should only claim if he's actually a role. If he's VT he should just convince us he's town.

Also to the rest of town: If claims happen, be ready to change your lynchvotes accordingly. Not much time left, so things might happen quickly.
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 19:31 GMT
#912
A claim would be pointless though....right?

Because he if he was Townie:
He would claim Vanilla Townie

If he was Mafia:
He would claim to be Vanilla Townie
+ Show Spoiler +
or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable.


If he was *Blue Role*:
He should claim Vanilla Townie.
+ Show Spoiler +
since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:31 GMT
#913
On January 29 2016 04:29 Alur wrote:
Just gonna reiterate that he should only claim if he's actually a role. If he's VT he should just convince us he's town.

Also to the rest of town: If claims happen, be ready to change your lynchvotes accordingly. Not much time left, so things might happen quickly.


um what's the difference
if he doesn't claim everyone will know he's a vt anyway..
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 19:32 GMT
#914
So he didn't claim doctor. Which probably is the easiest, short term out for a scum. So one might be inclined to give him towncred for that, but it could also be WIFOM. I'm still eagerly awaiting his post with reads.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:33 GMT
#915
On January 29 2016 04:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:
A claim would be pointless though....right?

Because he if he was Townie:
He would claim Vanilla Townie

If he was Mafia:
He would claim to be Vanilla Townie
+ Show Spoiler +
or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable.


If he was *Blue Role*:
He should claim Vanilla Townie.
+ Show Spoiler +
since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues


No.
If he's a blue role he should claim blue role. Then we won't lynch him. We can verify his role later in the game.

If he's a blue role and he claims vt, then he's going to get lynched anyway and everyone will know his role after he's dead.

And this is only if getting lynched is a certainty. In Kura's case, he won't be here EoD so doing it early is appropriate.
Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
January 28 2016 19:33 GMT
#916
READS:

Slight Town:

PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them.

Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point.

Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic.

darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR.

Slight Scum:

Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR.

Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR.

SMITE
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 19:36 GMT
#917
On January 29 2016 04:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:
A claim would be pointless though....right?

Because he if he was Townie:
He would claim Vanilla Townie

If he was Mafia:
He would claim to be Vanilla Townie
+ Show Spoiler +
or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable.


If he was *Blue Role*:
He should claim Vanilla Townie.
+ Show Spoiler +
since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues


I agree with point nr. 1.

I agree that as mafia he could go either way.

Since it seems very probable that he's about to get lynched, I think a blue role would claim here. A blue role should not let himself get lynched by any means neccesary. Claiming is the last resort, but worth it if the alternative is certain death.
I also think a blue role would've defended himself more adamantly, so that he might avoid having to claim.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 28 2016 19:37 GMT
#918
On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote:
Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR.


So he's not as scummy because scummy people were attacking him?
But if I recall it was mainly trfel who you have as a townread...
and eden was defending him who you have as a scumread. So that makes no sense.
Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
January 28 2016 19:37 GMT
#919
Got kicked off the comp, posted early to switch to phone. Hopefully can finish reads.
SMITE
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 19:39 GMT
#920
On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote:
READS:

Slight Town:

PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them.

Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point.

Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic.

darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR.

Slight Scum:

Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR.

Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR.


I'm largely responsible for you being in this position, what do you think of me?

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