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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: scumlist for brags 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 10. Onegu 13. Shapelog Is Bragging rights the only reason why you are even playing at this point? | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:54 Shapelog wrote: Is Bragging rights the only reason why you are even playing at this point? hmmm. I wouldn't say that. I would say that my primary objective is to be right, rather than to win. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:53 nooniansoong wrote: but you were wrong then so why so sure that you're right now? So you are  And the whole god damm situation has changed.Because that theory revoked around Rik mafia trying to pocket me because i was a innocent child. Then you and giyga Khan came in after with (i'll admit less then soild) Connections. Here, It revolves around a mafia making a bad read and trying to get there scum team mate in the clear. Evidence that Darth is scum with him is we are to believe that he didn't see anything scummy and the fact he was trying to get Ikido pressence in the thread by asking him about Onegu and Trofl. Eden is connected by making the initial case and trying to control the scum reasons and the pressure. And then giving him back doors out of being scum. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:52 Shapelog wrote: You're just mad that I did the same thing to you with Rik and Giyga Khan in Nutcracker aren't you? Also duh ik, But if we end up lynching Ikido and he flips scum, then I already have a direction to go into and poke. About your stupid tinfoil darth/eden/ikido scum team: I know this is WIFOM, but my first (scum) game, we lost our roleblocker D1 and the 3 people who voted for him were more or less confirmed as town for the rest of the game, which makes it almost impossible to win as mafia. I would be more than okay bussing a shitty mafia teammate who's super obvious (no offense Ikido) if it meant getting me super town cred, especially considering Eden and I were the first ones to talk about his inconsistencies (wouldn't be questioned about bandwagoning). Second WIFOM point, I suggest you take a look through my filter from last game. Unless I leveled up severely in the last two weeks, I wouldn't have the confidence to play such an assertive, risky mafia game. I don't question your doubts on Ikido, but even if he flips scum, it will be NAI about me and Eden | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote: Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? Goof on my part. I just remember someone saying something about NK's being weird due to a doc. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:49 nooniansoong wrote: no. like i said before. get a majority of votes on either me or trfel then I might explain. What? There is arguably some logic to not be willing to share scumreads. But why are you incapable of elaborating on a townread? Like I really don't see how it could hurt town. If you genuinely believe someone is town, you have a vested interest in convincing town of your read. The most legitimate way of doing this is by giving reasons, which as a bonus reveals how you're thinking about the game. You being incapable of providing reasons for townreading a player that many people find suspicious, makes sense if you're both mafia. You seem opposed to increasing the sum of knowledge publicly available to the town. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On January 29 2016 02:06 Kuragari42 wrote: Goof on my part. I just remember someone saying something about NK's being weird due to a doc. Who said this and where? | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 29 2016 02:06 darthfoley wrote: About your stupid tinfoil darth/eden/ikido scum team: I know this is WIFOM, but my first (scum) game, we lost our roleblocker D1 and the 3 people who voted for him were more or less confirmed as town for the rest of the game, which makes it almost impossible to win as mafia. I would be more than okay bussing a shitty mafia teammate who's super obvious (no offense Ikido) if it meant getting me super town cred, especially considering Eden and I were the first ones to talk about his inconsistencies (wouldn't be questioned about bandwagoning). Second WIFOM point, I suggest you take a look through my filter from last game. Unless I leveled up severely in the last two weeks, I wouldn't have the confidence to play such an assertive, risky mafia game. I don't question your doubts on Ikido, but even if he flips scum, it will be NAI about me and Eden Well I ask you (and this extends to Eden, but i think he explained it a bit) Why did you give Ikido so much ways to escape in you posts towards him? All the coachs, newbie, etc. excuses. Why? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
I think [darthfoley] will be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list. This struck me at the time as a possible red flag, because he was the first player to mention blue roles in a long time. I read it more town than scum however, because I could definitely see a noob stating that IF we have a doc, he/she should consider saving my #1 TR. No one else that I have seen said anything else about "weird NKs" or shit like that. If i'm wrong, let me know | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:01 Alur wrote: Yeah that's what I was insinuating. Another explanation is him making the slip as doc, but I'd think that's a lot less likely to happen than a scumslip. And even if both doctors and mafia are equally likely to make that slip its a 75% chance of being mafia (assuming this is not a townie who's extremely ignorant of the rules). The fact that he's already being scumread doesn't help either. 50/50 = 75/25 I enjoy that logic. No clue what rule you could be referencing. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote: Well I ask you (and this extends to Eden, but i think he explained it a bit) Why did you give Ikido so much ways to escape in you posts towards him? All the coachs, newbie, etc. excuses. Why? Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler + I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:38 darthfoley wrote: This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari Oh, I see where Alur got the higher mafia chance. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On January 29 2016 02:18 Kuragari42 wrote: 50/50 = 75/25 I enjoy that logic. No clue what rule you could be referencing. "Even if both doc/mafia are equally likely to make the slip" = each of the 4 people are equally likely to make a slip there are 3 mafia + 1 doc = 4 people. 3/4 of those people are mafia; therefore, it is a 75% chance of lynching mafia IF you believe, like Alur and I do, that you slipped... especially when we have been scum reading you | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
Remember were disregarding that it's probably less likely for the doc to slip, and that several people are reading you as scum already. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 29 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote: Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler + I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently Hmmm, ok i can understand where you are coming from. In my opinion he has given up a bit with his last few posts, which goes against trofl town read. Then again I would expect a mafia, regardless of any type of experience level, to be aware what they are being town/scum read for. Idk you might of just bought Ikido a extra day. Let me dwindle on it. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 29 2016 02:27 Onegu wrote: My son is in the hospital now don't expect much. Damm, I am sorry Onegu. | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:41 Alur wrote: That's not what I meant. My point is simply that I would expect a town player who's under a large amount of scrutiny to not talk about terms, which is 100% filler talk if the term is easily googleable. I remember newbscum Darth talking about googleable terms in his first game. It's not something to scumread a person on exclusively, but it's something I took note of. I was not able to find NAI on google, just saying. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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