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On January 30 2016 09:23 Trfel wrote:If I'm being scumread because I didn't explain my vote on Kuragari42: Why would I explain my vote? I voted for the leading wagon who was gaining momentum. Convincing anyone was not needed. The only reason I'd need to explain my vote is for myself, and I already knew why I was voting. Explaining my vote doesn't accomplish anything. If I'm being scumread because of asking questions: Okay, imagine that all the questions don't exist. Questions are generally non alignment indicative (of course, this depends on the circumstances, for example directly pointed questions can often be more indicative). Ignoring that, I've been sharing analysis, pushing reads, and engaging with people to solve the game. Discounting my play as asking questions in an attempt to appear busy while not actually doing anything is extremely false. If I'm being scumread because of missing one of nooniansoong's posts: That's just stupid. I explained why above.
Now I suggest lynching Tumblewood, because he is mafia. Allow me to take his latest post here to show why he is mafia. I won't quote things because that would be annoying. First, like I already said, it doesn't make sense for him to townread _MexicanAlien for voting for himself (Tumblewood) instead of flipped town Kuragari42. A vote on town is a vote on town, lynching one is not better than lynching the other.... unless one of them isn't actually town. This read only makes sense if Tumblewood is mafia.He criticizes Kuragari42's reads and then says that Kuragari42 is begging to get lynched, and seems disappointed. After the flip has already happened. Town doesn't think like this. He says several times that both I (Trfel) and nooniansoong haven't explained some or all of our reads. He says that I am mafia because of this, and he says that he won't trust nooniansoong's reads until there is an explanation, implying that nooniansoong is town. He lists JesusIncarnate, Shapelog, Trfel, Ikidomari, and Onegu as his scum reads. Way to cover all the bases there. Still no involvement or direction, and no original thought at all. Tumblewood is mafia.
The basis for the read isn't whether MexicanAlien was correct. MexicanAlien, at the time of voting knew the roles of no one but himself. You read based not on the decision, but on the decision-making. He's tunneling a little, but he's sure as hell not playing opportunistically with that vote.
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On January 30 2016 07:17 Eden1892 wrote:
Skimmed kush's filter super fast. Incriminated by this claim are the following players:
JesusIncarnate
Tumblewood
Ikidomari
Especially Jesus, as kush had a quality want to lynch Jesus all game, but Tumblewood and Ikidomari were both in his lists from braglists 1.1 onward.
Think it's gotta be Jesus or Tumblewood.
I also just don't think kush is mafia, fakeclaiming rb'd doesn't do anything.
Kush is town, therefore kush's scumreads are correct? Kush doesn't know who mafia is any more than anyone else (except, of course, the mafia).
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What is up with the argument between Eden and Onegu? The way they're interacting does not look townie to me... let's have a look, shall we?
On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah fuck Onegu he's scum. Being an ass to people telling them to stop doing things, terribad reads and suspects, inactive and not doing anything even before IRL issues arose to explain that away.
This also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense.
On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:Stop being lazy mr "tryhard"
This case is actually just, "fuck Onegu he's scum." Eden has put herself against Onegu without actually making a case. Townies do not have a motive to do that. Bonus: Onegu's "case" against Eden:
On January 30 2016 05:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 05:23 darthfoley wrote:
Onegu do you have anything besides eden = scum to offer? Not currently... Did I mention eden is scum?
The vibe I get from this is that Eden and Onegu are distancing themselves from each other. Most of my knowledge of forum mafia is just looking through the Mafiascum wiki, is distancing a scum read here? Because it's sure as hell not a town read.
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Instead of quoting Trfel's post, I'm just going to say that it's two posts above this one. Look at it and continue reading.
If Onegu had flipped scum, I would have immediately seen Eden as a scumbuddy distancing. Since Onegu is VT, though, the reasoning behind this is more complex. I don't think that this is enough for Eden to immediately become scum in my book, especially since I had a town read earlier, but these baseless accusations say to me one of 3 things:
1. That Eden is trying to start a wagon on Onegu. That wouldn't make sense, since it was night, and if Eden cared she would form a well-reasoned argument instead.
2. That Eden was OMGUS-ing Onegu. There's no town or scum motive I can think of for this, so probably not.
3. That Eden wanted to provoke a response from Onegu. The purpose of that response is to create grounds for a case against Onegu, since Eden wanted to lynch Onegu the next day.
The underlined case is the conclusion I draw from this.
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On January 30 2016 15:24 Trfel wrote:
The point from this game is that you should do what's fun.
If something stops being fun, don't keep doing it because it "should" be. Just do things that are worthwhile.
Tumblewood is mafia, and always has been, but whatever. Go on not caring about it.
Gee, and you call me uninvolved...
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What do you mean exactly by nuance?
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On January 31 2016 09:10 nooniansoong wrote:
@Eden nuance is a town indicator I put a lot of faith in. can you point to a specific example of nuance in trfel's posting?
anyone can answer that not just eden.
Looking through his filter, he's speaking in absolutes a lot. A large portion of his posts are also questions.
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On January 31 2016 13:38 nooniansoong wrote:
noo darth stay strong on the trfel wagon.
As soon as I saw this post I middle-clicked the quote button... Not sure what I see in it just yet, but I'm quoting it.
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Okay. Here are all reasonable motivations I can come up with for making that post:
1. Noon is town, thinks that Trfel is still scum, and wants more support to get him lynched.
2. Noon is scum and wants to draw support for a mislynch.
3. Noon wants to ally darth. (unlikely)
4. Noon didn't make that in a serious light. (likely)
Results prove inconclusive, but that post is still really weird to me.
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On January 31 2016 14:50 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I find it suspicious how eden and trfel somehow decide for obscure reasons that lynching each other is not going to work or they just town read. They seem to be supporting each other in spam.
I think Mafia is:
Tfrel
Eden1892
Mafia lean:
Ikidomari
Jesusincarnate
Town lean:
darthfoley
PepperMintTea
Town:
Shape log
Null:
nooniansoong
You forgot someone
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@Trfel In an ideal world? Shapelog. He's been acting scummy all game (look at my previous posts for examples), and he's filled up 15 pages of filter with nothing posts.
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On February 01 2016 03:47 Trfel wrote:Uh, please explain why you aren't voting for the other people?
Because I believe Shapelog is mafia
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On February 01 2016 04:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 04:40 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2016 04:34 Tumblewood wrote:On February 01 2016 03:47 Trfel wrote:On February 01 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Vote: Shapelog Uh, please explain why you aren't voting for the other people? Because I believe Shapelog is mafia No one else believes that Shapelog is mafia. Do you think that this is strange? Okay, so not everyone thinks that Shapelog is town, fine. I was wrong. But you're the only one convinced that he is mafia. Do you find this strange?
I'm confused that everyone else is townreading him, yeah. (especially... was it MexicanAlien who had him higher than darthfoley for towniness?)
Do you?
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If I don't live to see the night, I want to go down a hero. It's time... time for the
BIG OL' POSTS
ohhhh boy
Do you ever tunnel so hard that you get to the other side? Because I think I see the light.
Shapelog
+ Show Spoiler +We're starting way too early. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:34 Trfel wrote:On January 27 2016 06:32 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, how does one "slip town"? Genuinely curious. I need to leave soon, unfortunately  But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush  Kush, has a certain thing he does as town (he might do it as mafia thou.) i seen him do it as vt in the last two games i playef with him. i don't want to say it since he could be mafia and it wouldn't be that great of a town tell anymore If I may, how is this at all useful? Its a dumbtell I guess it is the best way to say it. I mean it doesn't auto make him town if he does do it, it just something I see him do as vt. It's like syrup on a sundae, it's a condiment. Also When I Town/mafia read him I will say what it is. This is a weird way to establish a presence. I can't point to this directly as mafia, but there's something... off about it. On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on . I am of the opinion that an out-of-place town slip is a mafia slip in disguise. The second line has no purpose except for that "your scum team". On January 27 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
I am just trying to help solve/point into a direction this game b/4 I have to get off at 6 ish. He had made one post tops trying to do that by then, and it was just stating the obvious. Shapelog is also really eager to explain things away, even if his explanation doesn't quite have the support. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:01 Shapelog wrote:Kush is scum because he hasn't slip town yet. 2 down  OH I see why everyone is confused. I joked that Kush was scum while saying that. This explanation doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you? On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote:
Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR.
Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Trying to buddy/pocket him? Do people even do that? On January 28 2016 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
Who knows maybe Tumble suffers from what i suffer from which is he reads the thread and at the end feels lost.
Nah He tried to explain my actions, and with no evidence, but then he entirely un-committed. On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.
idk tbh what to think about it He didn't even bother to check whether I was right. He made the connection between a comment on breadcrumbing and a blue role, but there's nothing there. There were some things he said and not followed up on... + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote:
Btw I will log off around 6 pm in my local time and won't get on till 8 am since I won't have a home Cp. till tomorrow. He didn't log off for any significant time until half a day later. On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. He only followed up on one of those filters. ...until I pointed it out. Only after I noticed did he start following up on his promises, which only happens when someone's concerned about being scumread. His reads are also all over the place. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote:
Actually that scum slip is ridiculously huge if he is scum and gets lynched.
Maybe I am wrong about my Tinfoil Team, Maybe one of Eden/Darth isn't scum and instead Kura is scum. Goes from Eden/Darth to Kura [QUOTE] On January 29 2016 02:26 Shapelog wrote:[QUOTE] On January 29 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote:[QUOTE] On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote:Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler +I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently[/QUOTE] Hmmm, ok i can understand where you are coming from. In my opinion he has given up a bit with his last few posts, which goes against trofl town read. Then again I would expect a mafia, regardless of any type of experience level, to be aware what they are being town/scum read for. Idk you might of just bought Ikido a extra day. Let me dwindle on it.[/QUOTE] On Ikido, goes from scum to town to scum again to "let me consider it". [QUOTE] On January 29 2016 03:46 Shapelog wrote:God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not. I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him.[/QUOTE] Gave himself backdoors to vote any of three different people, now including Jesus but only after others had read him significantly. He voted Ikidomari then Kuragari, said (and I quote) "Ikido is mafia", called me "opportunistic scum", and votes Jesus out of the blue (citing kush's post as reasoning)... he had the single most votes of anybody that day, and he's still going with PMT/Trfel/me/Jesus as his scum reads (Eden, too, before she was killed).
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nooniansoong
+ Show Spoiler +Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist for brags
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
10. Onegu
13. Shapelog
No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote:
KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here.
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PepperMintTea
+ Show Spoiler +There is no reason behind his voting and reads. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 23:31 PepperMintTea wrote:
Decided I don't want to lynch ikodomari or trefl
Leaves me
Onegu, Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate or Kuragari
Onegu has really done nothing since Eden made his case, just confirmed what he was talking about with Shapelog and then replied weakly to my question. I'm not sure I could gather the votes to get this through
JesusIncarnate and Kuragari just haven't engaged the game at all.
Tumblewood has engaged a little bit but I he has questions outstanding he needs to answer
There is no reason given for shying from Ikidomari or Trfel. (Ikidomari flipped mafia, Trfel, Jesus and I have not flipped, and Kura and Onegu are town) If PMT is mafia, I suspect Trfel as the last member. On January 29 2016 04:06 PepperMintTea wrote:
Kura or tumblewood, decided not to lynch Jesus
let's get it down to two. Why? On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate Why? PMT has also just ignored scum cases against him. [This could go either way] + Show Spoiler +On February 02 2016 07:08 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 06:48 darthfoley wrote:On February 02 2016 06:43 PepperMintTea wrote:On February 02 2016 06:29 darthfoley wrote:On February 02 2016 06:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##vote scott31337
see you wednesday Why are you so content with doing absolutely nothing? i'm voting mafia nothing is what you're doing wow such sick one liners! It's actually amazing how bad your filter has become tbh. Page 1/2 compared to 3/4 are like two different players. k
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I don't have time tonight for another filter dive, but I'll get Trfel and scott31337 tomorrow.
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I plan on following up on what I said, so it's time for more
BIG OL' POSTS
We're starting with someone really easy to do so I don't have to sift through many posts.
scott31337
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not going to read heavily on JesusIncarnate being AFK, because the AFKness doesn't seem to be a scum tactic as much as just being gone, because his replacement is getting back on the activity. Not that he had any other option. + Show Spoiler +On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 05:56 nooniansoong wrote:On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia? who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] +On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:nooniansoong+ Show Spoiler +Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist for brags
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
10. Onegu
13. Shapelog
No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote:
KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did. Although from scott's viewpoint this might be honest, I don't see why nooniansoong is his strongest scumread, since he's (as I've detailed) one of the most towny players in the game. Scott has very little to go off of, and it's all concerned me and kush (and a liiiittle of Trfel). Jesus was pretty scummy too before he left, and it's unlikely that both players are town showing scummy traits. I'd put scott even with PMT in my reads.
Trfel
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Quotes are stupid so I'm just going to write a paragraph instead.
I think Trfel is town. Kush pointed out somewhere that, if Trfel were scum, he wouldn't ask so many questions because he knows it looks bad. And I think that's true: At the start of the game I failed to consider that Trfel's actions don't make sense from a scum point of view. He's ignored how his actions made him look, and the megapost (you know the one) is not something mafia puts that much effort into. I think Trfel is showing a genuine desire to find scum and win the game.
@Whoever asked me to claim: I'm VT
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