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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 03:19 GMT
#49
Well you could have just PM'd the hosts HF since it seems like you were here 15min before the game start...
I am sorry, especially for Ace. I guess this is not a good idea after all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 04:10 GMT
#52
On January 15 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you could have just PM'd the hosts HF since it seems like you were here 15min before the game start...
I am sorry, especially for Ace. I guess this is not a good idea after all.
Are you not planning on continuing the game?

what's the point when Holyflare has basically confirmed his alignment?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 04:18 GMT
#54
Yeah so like he is telling the truth and he is town --> in which case the game is invalid.

Or he is mafia --> in which case we should 100% lynch him.

Soooo... in any way, the game is invalid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 04:22 GMT
#56
Although i would be perfectly willing to play the game 9vs3 and remove HF. But then again now i think you, Trfel, are scum because of your argument on HF and the lack of thinking on the matter and that is out of game WIFOM case and that's also invalid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 04:42 GMT
#60
I think he is probably town because you are scum.
Now you are aggressive instead of involved.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 04:57 GMT
#61
In other words i think you are trying to make something out of nothing because... because of Holyflare the whole first page of this game is nothing and can't possibly be alignment indicative.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 05:08 GMT
#63
umm.. because you call ritoky mafia for things that doesn't make him mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 05:24 GMT
#65
It's not "meaningful conversation"..
Also we were supposed to have D&D tonight Damdy..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 05:27 GMT
#67
idk, i am playing until said otherwise.
I think Trfel is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 07:11 GMT
#76
fuck it let's play mafia.
geript why am i scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 07:24 GMT
#80
trifle.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 07:33 GMT
#83
On January 15 2016 16:28 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you could have just PM'd the hosts HF since it seems like you were here 15min before the game start...
I am sorry, especially for Ace. I guess this is not a good idea after all.
Are you not planning on continuing the game?

what's the point when Holyflare has basically confirmed his alignment?

This post basically says you're scum. The initial reaction is "HF is town." But any reasonably player especially you, who knows HF will do anything and everything alignment regardless, should realize that HF is completely NLA. The funny thing is that as I was thinking about it more, the more HF posts about that shit the more I think he's mafia. He has some actual goal as town even when he's bitching.

But Trfel is like really likely to be scum and you tend to react to your scummates slightly differently.

no it doesn't.

If you think HF would lie about stuff and relate it to MOD ACTIONS you can get lynched too....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 07:37 GMT
#84
Also why aren't you voting for me if the post says i am scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 07:55 GMT
#88
ugh...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 08:16 GMT
#90
So now i am supposed to think you, as town, were making a plan AND you were also annoyed when you made the couple of your first posts?

I tend to think people post whatever comes to their mind OR if they are making a plan they have a clear head. So i am going to assume you are lying.

##vote: Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 12:27 GMT
#99
Let me elaborate properly:
These are your first two posts:
On January 15 2016 09:08 Holyflare wrote:
/out

On January 15 2016 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
maybe you shouldn't start new games before getting the permission from the people you're putting in them

#protipsforhosting

I believe you that you were annoyed. I do not question that for a second.
However when you were writing this, i also believe you are in full intention of not playing this game, and you are not lying. That is what your posts literally say here.

Now obviously you have changed your mind after that. I don't know where, and i don't care. Might be at the next post, might be after, it is not relevant. What is relevant is the following:
On January 15 2016 16:54 Holyflare wrote:
Basically I did what geript said and elongated the whine to fulfill my dastardly plan of gathering information. Also because I was a tad annoyed.

Will be around for like 30 mins while I travel so this is your chance to talk to me.

I can't believe this post is the full truth. Because your first two posts are a dick move. I assume you realize that. Now in case you wanted to ACTUALLY play properly, at that point, i assume you would have made post like "i am fucking annoyed because i wasn't asked if i want to play in the re-roll, but whatever.. i will try to play. fuck you all."

Instead of saying this you continued with the host bashing. Which brings me to the following conclusion:
1) If you are town you made a dick move, and you are now lying, because if you were not lying about your motives you would be a confirmed town based on the third post you made.
2) You are mafia.

Now i don't think you would make such a dick move, and funnily enough, if you wanted to make yourself look more townie to me, you would have to accept you were lying at some point, and it again -- points towards you being mafia... So if you are town you should have cleared up the issue BEFORE now, clearly, BEFORE people like me come to conclusion that you want to quit the game. Like really, i thought that was 100% the case, ritoky seemed to think that, Ace probably too, some people from the obs QT -- maybe even more people from the obs QT since why the fuck otherwise are there people who are not in the game posting in the thread?!?! Hell i believe even the HOSTS thought that was the case since apparently Artanis felt the need to CLARIFY in thread the game is still ongoing....

So... If you are town the game is invalid because to prove you are town you would need to prove you were lying, which would make you mafia. You can argue that i am scum and doing whatever you decide you want to say but my opinion here is not going to change since the ONLY way the game is not invalid in my opinion is if you are scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 12:30 GMT
#101
On January 15 2016 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG is it just me or was Holyflare just trying really really hard to be funny and rayn is being ridiculous about it?

seems like even the obs qt and hosts were "being ridiculous about it" if that is the case...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 12:33 GMT
#102
I don't feel the need to explain this any further to anyone.
I also don't feel the need to explain myself any further to anyone in case someone thinks i am mafia for this.

I just don't care. So don't ask me anything about this, i said all i had to say.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 12:37 GMT
#104
Well i think Trfel is mafia.
But no, noone claimed scum already-
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 12:47 GMT
#105
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 12:48 GMT
#106
See Palmar here is how you explain why someone's townread on someone is "wrong".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 14:29 GMT
#111
On January 15 2016 22:37 Palmar wrote:
There is literally no way that someone believes he found mafia, but is still so unexcited about it that he puts some random shitty townread first in the post.

It's so unenthusiastic that I could cry

yes this makes sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 16:23 GMT
#116
who is sixlover?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 16:27 GMT
#120
On January 16 2016 01:25 Trfel wrote:
Eden1892 and sicklucker aren't in this game.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 21:28 GMT
#148
On January 16 2016 06:10 geript wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ASM is mafia too. His post made like 0 sense whatsoever.

no
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 21:35 GMT
#152
wow geript is scum
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 21:43 GMT
#154
On January 16 2016 06:42 Damdred wrote:
At least I know rayn is probably town.

Why is geript scum rayn

because he calls Alot scum for scumreading his top scumread.
ez.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 21:45 GMT
#156
On January 16 2016 06:43 NocturneMage wrote:
Is that shitty HF townread scummy when you consider that ASM isn't familiar with the players here (I hear he's new to this forum, correct?)

yes it is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 21:45 GMT
#158
oh no, it is not.
sorry i misread your post NM.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 21:46 GMT
#159
Holyflare
Trfel
geript
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 22:00 GMT
#162
On January 16 2016 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
Nm can you explain what about rayn's logic makes any sense whatsoever? It's not logic at all. He didn't even convince me I was mafia.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 22:05 GMT
#163
oh god i gotta go to bed. i can't be responsible of my posts anymore as i am too sleepy.
but i go with a smile on my face.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 22:06 GMT
#164
but remember; when you can't convince someone they are mafia they must be town...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 15 2016 22:06 GMT
#165
and the other person can't possibly make sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 06:55 GMT
#182
Is anyone here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 07:18 GMT
#184
I don't know why you are since he is calling Trfel mafia for the same reasons you are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 07:39 GMT
#187
On January 16 2016 16:26 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know why you are since he is calling Trfel mafia for the same reasons you are.

Most everyone is calling Trfel scum for the same awful post. You. Me. Palmar. Ace maybe too.
Other people's scum reads are relatively irrelevant in this case.

I am sot sure where you get the idea that Ace thinks Trfel is mafia?
Maybe you should quote his posts where he implies so.
On January 16 2016 16:28 geript wrote:
He's like 90% a smurf not new. In that regard his posts are really bad.

So your thought process is i would either ask (1) a newbie to play in an invite game or i would (2) be fine with someone (i would know) to SMURFING in an invite game (which would give myself an advantage in comparison to other players). Seriously geript, those are the options you are mulling over? It "just didn't come to your mind" that maybe he could possibly from let's say Vendetta Strada? It "just didn't come to your mind" that you could probably ask ME who that guy is? I find this hard to believe geript, especially since i have clearly stated who Alot is before the game and you have even played with him before..

Maybe you should start using your brain a bit in case you happen to be town, which i also find quite hard to believe rn.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 07:50 GMT
#188
On January 16 2016 16:26 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know why you are since he is calling Trfel mafia for the same reasons you are.

Most everyone is calling Trfel scum for the same awful post. You. Me. Palmar. Ace maybe too.
Other people's scum reads are relatively irrelevant in this case.

Also this doesn't answer my question in any way.
I don't understand why "other people's scumreads are irrelevant in this case".
The fact is Alot is calling your top scumread scum for the same reasons you are calling him (Trfel) scum and you are trying to say the logical conclusion is in your opinion that Alot is scum too. It doesn't make any sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 07:59 GMT
#189
btw Ace, in case you missed it, we have a voting thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 08:08 GMT
#193
Holyflare doesn't think Trfel is mafia. His reasons for that are shit but it is a fact he doesn't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 08:22 GMT
#195
On January 16 2016 17:17 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
Well initially I was annoyed and then I didn't like that ritoky and damdred didn't respond to anything meaningfully or even post responses and so I wanted to vote damdred for not even engaging me = mafia.

But then trfel came and posted that post which was ridiculous.

##vote trfel

And I would absolutely write everything i wrote as mafia so anyone even thinking it makes me an alignment is dumb or mafia (trfel).

In relation to what was happening. Get with it Rayn.

And a bit later Holyflare says Trfel looks much better now since raynpelikoneet is mafia. He even claims later on that he hasn't lied a single time in this game so if that is true (which you seem to think since you think he is town) then it should also be true for you Holyflare thinks Trfel is not mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 08:23 GMT
#196
Read the thread properly if you wanna have a productive discussion.
You probably won't because you are scum. Nothing you say makes any sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:18 GMT
#228
On January 17 2016 01:17 Holyflare wrote:
Ve and palmar both seem to think there's a vigilante, coincidence?

I also think there is a vigilante.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:19 GMT
#231
On January 17 2016 01:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:17 Holyflare wrote:
Ve and palmar both seem to think there's a vigilante, coincidence?

I also think there is a vigilante.

Coincidence?

No we probably just read the OP.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:20 GMT
#232
On January 17 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn tell me where I lied


I have already said where i think you are lying.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:24 GMT
#237
On January 17 2016 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote:


ftfy
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:24 GMT
#238
unless you ofc for some reason want to do a countdown to EOD -1 hour.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:33 GMT
#242
On January 17 2016 01:21 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
On January 16 2016 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn tell me where I lied


I have already said where i think you are lying.


Explain it again then trash panda. What did I lie about. Why aren't you trying to get me lynched if i obviously lied and am mafia.

I don't think i can explain that more clearly than i already did.
I believe you had an intention to quit the game. You claim otherwise.
I don't believe you, i don't believe you in that you had on intention to quit the game when you made your first two posts.

As you claim you didn't, it naturally makes the post that says " /out " a lie, or it makes the post where you say you didn't have an intention to quit a lie. Now i don't believe this because if you are town it's a fucking dick move and i don't want to believe you made a dick move. It's a dick move as mafia too, but it's a bit less of a dick move.

It's a dick move because you are talking about shit that doesn't have anything to do with playing a mafia game, and if you are town there is no reason to expect you are lying (there really isn't as mafia aswell given your rl situation), but still. If you are town it confirms you as town if you are telling the truth.

The game is fucking invalid if you are town and i dont' wanna play an invalid game, i'd rather start on D2 with 8vs3. Because if i believe here, that you are telling the truth and town -- then you are fucking confirmed town and nothing you or anyone ever does is gonna change that opinion.

Yes, i am not 100% certain you are mafia, you could also be a dick. But i am voting for you since, again, if i believe you are town here, you are confirmed town and the game is invalid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:35 GMT
#243
EBWOP:

if you are town there is no reason to expect you are lying in your first two posts of the game (there really isn't as mafia aswell given your rl situation), but still. If you are town it confirms you as town if you are telling the truth.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:36 GMT
#244
And now i am actually done discussing this issue.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:38 GMT
#245
On January 17 2016 01:26 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, any thoughts on NocturneMage?

I think you should probably first answer this:
On January 15 2016 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.

I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 16:47 GMT
#247
On January 17 2016 01:41 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:26 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, any thoughts on NocturneMage?

I think you should probably first answer this:
On January 15 2016 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.

I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads.
When I make reads, I generally assume that everyone else is town. This is because my reads suck and I only remember one time where I had multiple scumreads at once and at least two were actually scum. Second, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that AlotSomuch was a smurf from TL mafia.

But your read is based mostly on Holyflare being town which you didn't think was the case at the time!!
It is an associative reads which is terrible in the first place and even the association does not hold up in your mind (since basically the next post of yours is a case on Holyflare being mafia.......)
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January 16 2016 16:50 GMT
#250
Alot is there a reason why you do not agree with my case on Trfel?
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January 16 2016 16:53 GMT
#251
On January 17 2016 01:50 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:41 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:26 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, any thoughts on NocturneMage?

I think you should probably first answer this:
On January 15 2016 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.

I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads.
When I make reads, I generally assume that everyone else is town. This is because my reads suck and I only remember one time where I had multiple scumreads at once and at least two were actually scum. Second, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that AlotSomuch was a smurf from TL mafia.

But your read is based mostly on Holyflare being town which you didn't think was the case at the time!!
It is an associative reads which is terrible in the first place and even the association does not hold up in your mind (since basically the next post of yours is a case on Holyflare being mafia.......)
I actually had a small town lean on Holyflare at the time. I just didn't think he was confirmed town.

Can you explain which posts made you think Holyflare is more likely to be town than mafia at that time?
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January 16 2016 16:59 GMT
#253
On January 17 2016 01:56 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:50 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:41 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:26 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, any thoughts on NocturneMage?

I think you should probably first answer this:
On January 15 2016 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.

I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads.
When I make reads, I generally assume that everyone else is town. This is because my reads suck and I only remember one time where I had multiple scumreads at once and at least two were actually scum. Second, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that AlotSomuch was a smurf from TL mafia.

But your read is based mostly on Holyflare being town which you didn't think was the case at the time!!
It is an associative reads which is terrible in the first place and even the association does not hold up in your mind (since basically the next post of yours is a case on Holyflare being mafia.......)
I actually had a small town lean on Holyflare at the time. I just didn't think he was confirmed town.

Can you explain which posts made you think Holyflare is more likely to be town than mafia at that time?
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
Let me tell you a story about something I encounter in day to day work.

This is a story about consent and the lack thereof.

Consent is the permission for something to take place. Commonly consent is used in regards to a sexual nature and lack of consent leads to a charge called rape.

The serious thing about consent is that it can be given or taken away at ANY time and equally importantly if you consent ONCE it does not mean you consent EVERY time.

This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent.

The hosts have raped me.
Mostly this thing, I've seen Holyflare do things like this before as town (or third party playing like town) but never as mafia. Holyflare is generally a bit more to the point as mafia, from my experience. I started scumreading Holyflare based on what he did when he started playing the game a bit more seriously.

Actually judging from your case you started scumreading Holyflare when he made his vote on Damdred....
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January 16 2016 17:02 GMT
#255
On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alot is there a reason why you do not agree with my case on Trfel?


Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD.

Is there any other posts you like except the posts on Holyflare?
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January 16 2016 17:03 GMT
#257
On January 17 2016 02:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:56 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:50 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:41 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:26 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, any thoughts on NocturneMage?

I think you should probably first answer this:
On January 15 2016 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

[quote]I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.

I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads.
When I make reads, I generally assume that everyone else is town. This is because my reads suck and I only remember one time where I had multiple scumreads at once and at least two were actually scum. Second, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that AlotSomuch was a smurf from TL mafia.

But your read is based mostly on Holyflare being town which you didn't think was the case at the time!!
It is an associative reads which is terrible in the first place and even the association does not hold up in your mind (since basically the next post of yours is a case on Holyflare being mafia.......)
I actually had a small town lean on Holyflare at the time. I just didn't think he was confirmed town.

Can you explain which posts made you think Holyflare is more likely to be town than mafia at that time?
On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
Let me tell you a story about something I encounter in day to day work.

This is a story about consent and the lack thereof.

Consent is the permission for something to take place. Commonly consent is used in regards to a sexual nature and lack of consent leads to a charge called rape.

The serious thing about consent is that it can be given or taken away at ANY time and equally importantly if you consent ONCE it does not mean you consent EVERY time.

This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent.

The hosts have raped me.
Mostly this thing, I've seen Holyflare do things like this before as town (or third party playing like town) but never as mafia. Holyflare is generally a bit more to the point as mafia, from my experience. I started scumreading Holyflare based on what he did when he started playing the game a bit more seriously.

Actually judging from your case you started scumreading Holyflare when he made his vote on Damdred....
This is not true at all, what gives you this idea?

It is a part of your case. Unless you decided to quote a post in your case which is NOT part of your case.
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January 16 2016 17:07 GMT
#260
Well who do you think should be lynched Damdred?
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January 16 2016 17:09 GMT
#261
On January 17 2016 01:56 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:50 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:41 Trfel wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:26 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, any thoughts on NocturneMage?

I think you should probably first answer this:
On January 15 2016 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.

I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads.
When I make reads, I generally assume that everyone else is town. This is because my reads suck and I only remember one time where I had multiple scumreads at once and at least two were actually scum. Second, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that AlotSomuch was a smurf from TL mafia.

But your read is based mostly on Holyflare being town which you didn't think was the case at the time!!
It is an associative reads which is terrible in the first place and even the association does not hold up in your mind (since basically the next post of yours is a case on Holyflare being mafia.......)
I actually had a small town lean on Holyflare at the time. I just didn't think he was confirmed town.

Can you explain which posts made you think Holyflare is more likely to be town than mafia at that time?
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
Let me tell you a story about something I encounter in day to day work.

This is a story about consent and the lack thereof.

Consent is the permission for something to take place. Commonly consent is used in regards to a sexual nature and lack of consent leads to a charge called rape.

The serious thing about consent is that it can be given or taken away at ANY time and equally importantly if you consent ONCE it does not mean you consent EVERY time.

This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent.

The hosts have raped me.
Mostly this thing, I've seen Holyflare do things like this before as town (or third party playing like town) but never as mafia. Holyflare is generally a bit more to the point as mafia, from my experience. I started scumreading Holyflare based on what he did when he started playing the game a bit more seriously.

How the fuck can you come to a conclusion this could be alignment indicative in ANY way????
Especially in the direction you claim.
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January 16 2016 17:10 GMT
#262
So you like townread him for not doing anything (=playing properly) and when he continued doing anything (=not playing properly) then you scumread him for it?
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January 16 2016 17:13 GMT
#264
I mean like if you townread him for being angry and not playing properly in a sense that he doesn't really care then you assume he is telling the truth about having no time to play (beyond the surface level) and then his play after that perfectly fits this narrative. But then.. you scumread him for it?
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January 16 2016 17:20 GMT
#266
I don't think there is anything wrong with NM's posting.
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January 16 2016 17:22 GMT
#269
On January 17 2016 02:20 AlotSomuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alot is there a reason why you do not agree with my case on Trfel?


Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD.

Is there any other posts you like except the posts on Holyflare?


No, those were mostly it. He presented a viable alternate candidate and made some good points on him.

VISCERAEYES, looking back, you voted Trifle but never actually put it in the voting thread. Are you still feeling he is the best candidate, and if so are you going to be putting your vote back there?

I am a bit confused here Alot.
Do you think both Holyflare and Trfel are mafia?
If you don't, why are you okay with both being lynch candidates?
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January 16 2016 17:27 GMT
#271
On January 17 2016 02:22 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like if you townread him for being angry and not playing properly in a sense that he doesn't really care then you assume he is telling the truth about having no time to play (beyond the surface level) and then his play after that perfectly fits this narrative. But then.. you scumread him for it?
I didn't townread him for being angry and saying that he had no time to play. I townread him for doing things that aren't strictly necessary from a mafia perspective.

In this game, Holyflare made a bunch of posts that didn't directly further his plan, notably the one I quoted. A direct route to accomplishing the same thing would have been:

"I think that Damdred is mafia because of xyz. I don't have much time to play because changing the game start by one day really affects my availability with respect to the deadlines."

Thus, I had a town lean on Holyflare.

Then, Holyflare made several scum reads at different points, causing me to think that he didn't care about his reads, as I described in my first post about him. This is much stronger than my initial town lean, and also, Holyflare scumreading 3 people and having zero townreads showed a more "direct" approach from a mafia perspective, changing my initial read.

But you just said you initially townread him for the post where he literally says [u]he doesn't have the time to play properly anymore!!!!!

Then you accuse him of being mafia because he ONLY posts scumreads (which is the most important thing to do if you don't have time to post/argue about everything you wanted).

How does making scumreads in a situation like that result in him being mafia?
What should he have done instead? What is more important than posting who you think is mafia if you can only post one thing?

Basically you are claiming you believe him when he says he has only limited time to play the game and then accuse of him doing the MOST townie thing he can do with his limited time...[/i]
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January 16 2016 17:29 GMT
#272
Which is kinda ridiculous since it seems like you are not really scumreading him for his actual actions but the motivation behind it.
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Profile Joined April 2007
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January 16 2016 17:38 GMT
#277
Here is a post you say you townread Holyflare for:
On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
[...]
This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent.
[...]

The post literally says "i don't have time to play properly".
If you townread Holyflare for this post (which is what you said), i assume you also think he is telling the truth in what he says in this post.
On January 17 2016 02:32 Trfel wrote:
I never said that I townread him because he said he doesn't have time to play properly. That has nothing to do with my read on Holyflare.

And then you claim this bullshit? I am not saying you townread him FOR not having time to play properly. I am saying you MUST believe this BECAUSE you townread him.

And then again we come to this.
You believe HF has no time to play properly -> he does what's BEST to do if he tells the truth here and is town (which is what you believe) -> you scumread him for it.

It doesn't make any sense.
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January 16 2016 17:39 GMT
#278
Like this isn't that fucking hard to understand....
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January 16 2016 17:43 GMT
#280
well you're scum.
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January 16 2016 17:52 GMT
#284
On January 17 2016 02:49 Damdred wrote:
Ok rayn talk to me,here.

Lets say flip happens trfel is town hf gets shot. What/who are you looking at?

No. I am not entertaining a scenario i don't believe to be true since i don't see a reason to believe it's true.

Do you see both HF and Trfel back down on each other? I do. It's like magic!
I thought they were both really really sure each other is scum....
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January 16 2016 18:02 GMT
#287
I am not asking you why don't you think they are both scum or not.
I am asking you if you don't, why are you okay with the current direction of them both being lynch targets?
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January 16 2016 18:03 GMT
#288
Like if you don't think they are both scum then one of them is town (duh).
If one of them is town how on earth are you okay with "whichever of them getting lynched"?
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January 16 2016 18:03 GMT
#289
On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alot is there a reason why you do not agree with my case on Trfel?


Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD.

Which is what you basically say here....
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January 16 2016 18:07 GMT
#291
okay i guess that makes sense.
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January 16 2016 21:44 GMT
#342
On January 17 2016 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel's case is bad because I clearly did have a thought process too.

Dandred and ritoky didn't respond = mafia, ritoky and damdred did then respond = drop.

Rayn makes trash post about how I lied and I didn't and goes against his OWN logic about how I would never post those things unless I was town after calling me confirmed town to trfel and geript = mafia.

His responses weren't awful so i felt a modicum less effort and called him trash instead of mafia.

Nm takes this rayn post and says it's good even though rayn's post isn't good in the slightest since rayn bases his whole post on a misrep and multiple assumptions = mafia.

Trfel first post was garbage because of stuff people already explained but my hard on for rayn being mafia made me not care about trfel.

I still don't care about this game because it's shite and half the people aren't playing.

This makes ritoky mafia because he is super demotivated right after being motivated. This also makes palmar mafia because he took the easy option in lynching me after being motivated.

The last mafia is someone I don't care about.

So what, there is now 4 scum? Me, NM, ritoky and Palmar?
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January 16 2016 21:45 GMT
#343
And maybe Trfel too.... Guess you can find a couple more so mafia can win this by outnumbering the town on D1 and noone has to play....
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January 16 2016 21:52 GMT
#346
Like Holyflare, do you realize it's YOUR actions that made ritoky and Palmar (and others like Cephiro, Ace and me for example) not care about the D1 as much as we should/could? Yes, i have intentionally not wanted to post in this game for that reason at times. Do you understand that YOU gave a perfect excuse for anyone to just do what at least five people did in case they are mafia, because it's and expected outcome from people -- you can't even argue against it because we all can't possibly be mafia.

I understand everyone who haven't given fucks about the D1, because i feel the same.
So yeah, deal with the consequences then... Or what do you suggest we do? Lynch Palmar who can very well do this as town? IF he flips town, then what? Lynch ritoky? When he flips town too? Can we then lynch you? Because it's essentially YOUR fault they are playing like this (or well..not playing).

Because guess what... i suggest we lynch you since there is a high chance you are scum and in the worst place you flip town and then the people can't hide behind "i won't play because Holyflare" regardless of their affiliation.

Don't blame anyone for what you did yourself...
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January 16 2016 21:54 GMT
#348
Like.. .you got half of the game not playing.
It is a scummy thing to do that. You could have avoided it.
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January 16 2016 21:56 GMT
#353
On January 17 2016 06:55 geript wrote:
Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11.

Yeah i am definitely the one making the game unfun....
Fuck you.
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January 16 2016 22:00 GMT
#361
On January 17 2016 06:59 geript wrote:
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On January 17 2016 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 06:55 geript wrote:
Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11.

Yeah i am definitely the one making the game unfun....
Fuck you.

You've ignored everything I've said and basically painted me as an idiot.

I am sorry but no, you did that. you even called me an idiot when i was trying to argue with you.
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January 16 2016 22:03 GMT
#366
Well the thing here is there is Holyflare, then there are Trfel and geript whose arguments do not make any sense.
So, go figure.
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January 16 2016 22:12 GMT
#373
No, your argument on Alot doesn't make any sense.

Your argument on Alot is basically that he is scum because his reads post is worded improperly and the reads are based on shit reasons. But at the same time you think that Alot leaves his vote on Trfel (who you scumread), calls me town (who you townread) and doesn't wanna vote for Holyflare (who you townread).

Geez geript, there were three reads, all of which you agree with. Then you back up your argument with "Alot can't do anything because rayn, Palmar, HF and geript have "decided" already in which way the lynch goes". I could agree with this except at the same time you don't even fucking know if the dude knows anyone in this game except for me. So that doesn't make any sense to think that Alot knows we are (aside from me) strong minded players anyways. And in your scenario here, you think that Alot doesn't want to vote for town!Holyflare instead of scum!Trfel because of what????? Why the fuck wouldn't he vote for town!Holyflare instead of scum!Trfel if he is mafia? He could just go "wow let's sheep rayn here" and noone could blame him for that.

So yeah, the whole thing you claim Alot is scum for is based on very very sketchy reasons geript, it's like bullshit because you cannot think these all things at the same time and invent a motivation for Alot -- a motivation that would in your opinion be "the most likely play from mafia!Alot", especially when you claim you don't know what the dude is/isn't capable of posting and if he would bus or not, because the basic assumption SHOULD be that mafia people want to vote for town people over other mafia people if they can.

So yeah, your case and your thought process is literally bullshit and i am quite sure you are mafia for it.
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January 16 2016 22:21 GMT
#379
Cephiro your case hinges on Alot thinking Holyflare is a better lynch than Trfel that has never been the case.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 22:45 GMT
#399
On January 17 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
Why does rayn keep dodging me?

Because i don't wanna talk with you about my read on you.
I don't care what you say about it. I don't care if you try to defend yourself.
I just don't care.
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Profile Joined April 2007
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January 16 2016 22:48 GMT
#402
On January 17 2016 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
My first 2 posts were not lies.

then why are you in the game?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 22:53 GMT
#407
DO YOU HOLYFLARE UNDERSTAND YOU ARE SAYING YOU DID WANT TO QUIT FROM THE GAME AND CONTINUED USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO "MAKE READS" INSTEAD OF SAYING "NO I DIDN'T ACTUALLY MEAN THAT, I WILL PLAY". THIS RESULTED IN HALF OF THE PEOPLE NOT GIVING ANY SHITS ABOUT THIS GAME, THIS RESULTED IN TWO PEOPLE FROM THE OBS QT TO POST IN A THREAD THEY SHOULDN'T. THIS RESULTED IN THE HOST CLARIFYING YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY IN INTENT OF QUITTING THE GAME.

YES, I DON'T EVEN FUCKING THINK YOU ARE MAFIA BUT YOU DESERVE TO DIE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET MODKILLED.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 22:54 GMT
#408
and that is why i couldn't fucking care less and i am defaulting my vote on you until one of us is dead.
because the game is bullshit as long as you are alive in the game.
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Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 22:54 GMT
#410
+ you could still be mafia.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 23:36 GMT
#443
ofc NM is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 23:55 GMT
#469
but they are both town.
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Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 23:57 GMT
#473
Everyone who is town on Palmar you guys are lynching a townie right now.

##unvote
##vote trfel
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 23:59 GMT
#479
Cephiro if yo uare town please vote for Trfel. He is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2016 23:59 GMT
#480
Palmar is not mafia.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 00:00 GMT
#484
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 00:04 GMT
#489
afk
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January 17 2016 00:09 GMT
#500
On January 15 2016 22:37 Palmar wrote:
btw, trfel is mafia and the reason is this:

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

ritoky is mafia

Ritoky's play doesn't make much sense from a town perspective. He seems to be very disinterested in the game, instead of enjoying it, while implying that he's a bit involved. He's very willing to engage in banter, and answers questions about the game, but he doesn't do anything at all to further the game.
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +
On January 15 2016 09:18 ritoky wrote:
a former oregon coach is now the coach of the dumpster fire 49ers; finally i can consolihate. great day.
He completely ignored all of the thread at the time. I would have expected him as town to directly address Damdred.
On January 15 2016 09:59 Damdred wrote:
People having 0 respect for a game going on basically. Hf will swap but if you aren't oh the players list just not right.

Anyway rit what do you think of say hf? More than likely town?
On January 15 2016 10:04 ritoky wrote:
i nothing him.
On January 15 2016 11:02 ritoky wrote:
Let me tell you a story about something I encountered yesterday.

This is a story about a man and his pride.

Pride in this sense is being used for its negative meaning. Commonly pride can be used to refer to a sense of satisfaction or attachment to something, but not in this case. Rather we are using it in the sense of an inflated sense of self.

The serious thing about pride is that it can cause someone to make irrational decisions or decisions that have much larger consequences out of a misplaced sense of the situation.

This is where yesterday falls flat. As Aristotle taught us, pride can be both a virtue and a vice. As such marv rolled an alignment that he felt uncomfortable playing as, and rather than acquiesce to the powers at be he stood up for what he believed was right and what he had pride for: his town play. He refused to be forced to bend to the whims of an RNG machine for the amusement of others.

The hosts punished marv for being virtuous.

#FreeMarv
On January 15 2016 11:04 ritoky wrote:
Fellow believers, support me in:

The Free Virtuous Marv Petition:
1. ritoky




If you too feel that men and women should not be punished for being virtuous reach out to me for support.

Mocking Holyflare doesn't do anything to move the game forward, and isn't really funny, either. Ritoky doesn't try to actually get involved or talk to anyone.

The clincher is this post:
On January 15 2016 09:57 ritoky wrote:
wat the fuck is going on?
Which indicates a surprise of the state of the game. Ritoky doesn't seem to be enjoying the game, as his posts feel very uninspired and flat. Yet he doesn't do anything to further the game. This post:
On January 15 2016 10:04 ritoky wrote:
i nothing him.
suggests that ritoky is thinking about reads this game, but doesn't follow Damdred's lead to get the game started at all.

##vote ritoky


There is literally no way that someone believes he found mafia, but is still so unexcited about it that he puts some random shitty townread first in the post.

It's so unenthusiastic that I could cry

On January 17 2016 08:29 Trfel wrote:
About half of my reasons to scumread ritoky were fluff,

you should probably think about lynching this guy next.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 00:21 GMT
#501
And now i actually think Holyflare is mafia btw.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 00:27 GMT
#503
I suggest that the vigilante shoots me.

I will make sure i will explain in full detail why both Trfel and Holyflare are scum before the night ends and i will also find the third scum. It's probably geript but some of the votes are so fucking terrible i am not sure. Then you can actually trust my reads. This is not WIFOM.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 00:29 GMT
#504
Hmm let's do it this way:

I am either:
Vigilante and i will shoot Trfel/Holyflare.
If i am not Vigilante i am mafia in which case, if you are a vigilante, you should shoot me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 00:29 GMT
#505
now afk for reals for 23 hours.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 23:59 GMT
#567
On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
Let me tell you a story about something I encounter in day to day work.

This is a story about consent and the lack thereof.

Consent is the permission for something to take place. Commonly consent is used in regards to a sexual nature and lack of consent leads to a charge called rape.

The serious thing about consent is that it can be given or taken away at ANY time and equally importantly if you consent ONCE it does not mean you consent EVERY time.

This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent.

The hosts have raped me.

So Holyflare has been bitching about the days not aligning with him in comparison to the first game.
In the first game he had a total of 3 posts in the first 16 hours in the game.
In this game he has ~100 posts in 3 days, it makes it ~16.666posts EVERY 12 hours.
"Days not aligning".. ?

So Holyflare is just bitching for no reason --> it makes people not wanna play (which is proven alrady). Now he is bitching about people not wanting to play? heh.... well make your own conclusions but the red quoted part is (1) a lie, and (2) a scummy lie.



On January 15 2016 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
Well initially I was annoyed and then I didn't like that ritoky and damdred didn't respond to anything meaningfully or even post responses and so I wanted to vote damdred for not even engaging me = mafia.

But then trfel came and posted that post which was ridiculous.

##vote trfel

And I would absolutely write everything i wrote as mafia so anyone even thinking it makes me an alignment is dumb or mafia (trfel).

See here. Read the green and the red part very carefully:
- People not engaging me for non-alingment indicative stuff is scummy.
- People engaging me for non-alignment indicative stuff is also scummy.

HOORAY! EVERY ANSWER POSSIBLE IS SCUMMY! Fuck i would do this every time if that worked that way!

More things:
- Holyflare will never lynch Palmar in this game as town. Never ever. People can be dumb but there was absolutely no reason to lynch Palmar. Never. I am not going to explain this further, but that is something Holyflare will NEVER EVER DO AS TOWN. NEVER!!!!!
- Holyflare has literally zero scumreads come N1. well Alot and me, but they aren't really scumreads if you read his posts on N1. They aren't. Alot is "no longer sure if he is scum but he might be but he might be not idc to check his towngames let's see" and i am "too bad to be in this game" (this is not a scumread people -- it's a policy read). Literally zero scumreads 71 hours into the game!
- His case on Alot is bullshit that is just misrepresenting what Alot has said, Alot has NEVER IN THIS GAME TOWNREAD TRFEL!!!!!

Easily mafia.


Trfel is scum too.

- Lynches Palmar for making correct conclusions!!!! yes he literally did since he himself said his ritoky case is bullshit (which is another reason he is scum) and he scummed HF who Palmar also scummed (that's not a reason to scumread him). Literally he voted Palmar for only making good posts.
- He also made a bullshit case on ritoky -- yes, he himself claimed so!!! And wasted a shitton of time wanting to discuss his case. There is literally zero town motivation to do that.
- His town case on Alot at the start of the game is bullshit, as i have already pointed out.

Easily mafia.





PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT BE FUCKING RETARDS. THESE TWO GUYS ARE SCUM!!!
Lynch both with fire, also see how their scumreads on each other magically disappear for no real reason.
Noone should think these two guys are not mafia together.






Third scum is prolly geript. His D1 is bad as fuck. He's prolly on Trfel ready to swap if needed. He never pushes the lynch, and wants to lynch Alot instead. That is not town!geript. Town geript CARES ABOUT WHO HE WANTS TO LYNCH AND TRIES TO YELL IT TO PEOPLE!!!! On N1 he says he is going to "catch up" and ends up posting nothing after. No town motivation --> straight out lie.

Probably scum.



Another candidates are VE and DYH.

VE bitches about people sheeping him on HIS lynch and "possibly scumreading them". VE c'mon?!?!?! srsly? You convinced people to lynch someone and when they did you are gonna scumread them for it? Also you should know Palmar better. You really should.

DYH is just doing nothing.




Alot is not mafia. His filter is clear and easily explained. Everything in his filter is easily explained. You guys are prolly dumb enough to lynch him, but please don't, he is not scum.

Cephiro is another mislynch scum are gonna push. Because he focuses on only one thing. Plz Cephiro, take more stances and discuss other things too -- not only the thing you wanna push. Also you are wrong on Alot.

NM is never mafia. ritoky is not mafia. Ace is town too. Idk if i forgot someone but they are town too.

bye.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 17 2016 23:59 GMT
#568
On January 18 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
In case I die though which I hope not I'm enjoying myself and actually reading filters when I usually don't

Asm is a good starting place for tommorow, look at him closely. I've said things hf case is great also.

Ceph is also worth a look, his push on asm looks pretty towny to a degree. But he abandoned almost any interaction with the rest of the thread to try to convince asm he's scum to a point. Also his town read on trfel should be pushed.

The last scum read I have is somewhere in the dyh (trfel town read without explanation lack of some content) and nm ( I have a somewhat towny feel but inability to try to push the lunch he wants through bothered me or even take part in night time reminds me of his scum game)

Rest of people I generally tr but don't be dumb and just follow this.

you are bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:01 GMT
#570
Who is the fucking retard who shot NM?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:03 GMT
#571
##vote Holyflare
Be good or be bad. I have said everything i wanted to.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:06 GMT
#574
On January 18 2016 09:04 Damdred wrote:
Also I'd rather be bad than an asshat who is going around insulting the only people who give a shit about playing

You should probably not talk to me about that. Holyflare would be the right target for it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:07 GMT
#576
see?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:11 GMT
#579
On January 18 2016 09:10 Damdred wrote:
I spent all day interacting and trying to form reads and actually playing and you came in to just call me bad lol.

Look in the mirror before you talk trash

I am sorry, i just think your reads are bad.
Talking with scum usually results in.. well.. gaining nothing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:13 GMT
#581
Damdred i think you are being really unreasonable towards me right now.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:26 GMT
#586
yes you broke the re-roll regardless of your affiliation and yes i don't give any fucks what happens in this game.
do whatever you want to, you had a chance to tell you don't wanna play since you posted in the other thread BEFORE the re-roll. if you can't understand that then whatever. why od YOU think this game is fucking 20 pages and me and you have the half of the posts in it?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:27 GMT
#587
i mean like obviously you had nothing to do with it and people are just being stupid and unreasonable? right?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:29 GMT
#588
anyways i have better things to do rn.
goodnight.
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Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:43 GMT
#595
On January 17 2016 11:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm also interested in looking at people who shifted to Palmar after me with shitty reasons.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:44 GMT
#597
Palmar (5) Trfel, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, ritoky, DoYouHas
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:46 GMT
#600
Well VE i hope you look into the people you promised to on D3. <3
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January 18 2016 00:50 GMT
#603
I don't think you are mafia anymore. You respond in a normal "i didn't even try to understand what he was saying" VE way which you normally do to me -- basically you just say stuff out of spite and call me scum because i entertained the possibility of you being mafia.

But whatevs, if you wanna vote for me then do. Just read my filter after.
People tend to not do that very often. I could point to a certain "Lynch Palmar" train that was going on a while ago.
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Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 00:51 GMT
#605
On January 18 2016 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody has stated they aren't playing because of me apart from him and he has a large filter.

Except for Palmar, Cephiro, Damdred and ritoky.
Shit that was half of the game.
People who are alive of those can actually CONFIRM this!
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Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 01:08 GMT
#619
holyflare 1 or 2?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 18 2016 01:20 GMT
#625
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well whatever.

i don't really feel good at all.

maybe i had bad reads or whatever shit but don't actually take it kindly when you use three weeks to ask players to play and then someone decides to quit because they are too bad to play as scum and another person decides to use questionable -- out of game things that affect to people's thinking to "play" the game from the get-go when they had a chance to just not play at all in a game where they wanted not to in the first place...

Not to mention i get called trash after that for the very same person. wow such rewarding.

I don't really have anything against you Holyflare outside mafia games but meh... i just don't think you were playing mafia at all and then calling me trash and not deserving to be in the game is just.. well it goes over my capabilities of understanding. Hopefully you get it some day.

Now i don't have to look at this thread anymore. Good for my mental health.
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