Yeah so like he is telling the truth and he is town --> in which case the game is invalid.

Or he is mafia --> in which case we should 100% lynch him.

Soooo... in any way, the game is invalid.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 04:22 GMT

#56

Although i would be perfectly willing to play the game 9vs3 and remove HF. But then again now i think you, Trfel, are scum because of your argument on HF and the lack of thinking on the matter and that is out of game WIFOM case and that's also invalid.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 04:42 GMT

#60

I think he is probably town because you are scum.
Now you are aggressive instead of involved.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 04:57 GMT

#61

In other words i think you are trying to make something out of nothing because... because of Holyflare the whole first page of this game is nothing and can't possibly be alignment indicative.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 05:08 GMT

#63

umm.. because you call ritoky mafia for things that doesn't make him mafia?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 05:24 GMT

#65

It's not "meaningful conversation"..
Also we were supposed to have D&D tonight Damdy..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 05:27 GMT

#67

idk, i am playing until said otherwise.
I think Trfel is scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 07:11 GMT

#76

fuck it let's play mafia.
geript why am i scum?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 07:24 GMT

#80

trifle.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 07:33 GMT

#83

On January 15 2016 16:28 geript wrote:

Show nested quote +

This post basically says you're scum. The initial reaction is "HF is town." But any reasonably player especially you, who knows HF will do anything and everything alignment regardless, should realize that HF is completely NLA. The funny thing is that as I was thinking about it more, the more HF posts about that shit the more I think he's mafia. He has some actual goal as town even when he's bitching.

But Trfel is like really likely to be scum and you tend to react to your scummates slightly differently.

no it doesn't.

If you think HF would lie about stuff and relate it to MOD ACTIONS you can get lynched too....

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 07:37 GMT

#84

Also why aren't you voting for me if the post says i am scum?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 07:55 GMT

#88

ugh...

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 08:16 GMT

#90

So now i am supposed to think you, as town, were making a plan AND you were also annoyed when you made the couple of your first posts?

I tend to think people post whatever comes to their mind OR if they are making a plan they have a clear head. So i am going to assume you are lying.

##vote: Holyflare

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 12:27 GMT

#99

Let me elaborate properly:
These are your first two posts:

On January 15 2016 09:08 Holyflare wrote:
/out

On January 15 2016 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
maybe you shouldn't start new games before getting the permission from the people you're putting in them

#protipsforhosting

I believe you that you were annoyed. I do not question that for a second.
However when you were writing this, i also believe you are in full intention of not playing this game, and you are not lying. That is what your posts literally say here.

Now obviously you have changed your mind after that. I don't know where, and i don't care. Might be at the next post, might be after, it is not relevant. What is relevant is the following:

On January 15 2016 16:54 Holyflare wrote:
Basically I did what geript said and elongated the whine to fulfill my dastardly plan of gathering information. Also because I was a tad annoyed.

Will be around for like 30 mins while I travel so this is your chance to talk to me.

I can't believe this post is the full truth. Because your first two posts are a dick move. I assume you realize that. Now in case you wanted to ACTUALLY play properly, at that point, i assume you would have made post like "i am fucking annoyed because i wasn't asked if i want to play in the re-roll, but whatever.. i will try to play. fuck you all."

Instead of saying this you continued with the host bashing. Which brings me to the following conclusion:
1) If you are town you made a dick move, and you are now lying, because if you were not lying about your motives you would be a confirmed town based on the third post you made.
2) You are mafia.

Now i don't think you would make such a dick move, and funnily enough, if you wanted to make yourself look more townie to me, you would have to accept you were lying at some point, and it again -- points towards you being mafia... So if you are town you should have cleared up the issue BEFORE now, clearly, BEFORE people like me come to conclusion that you want to quit the game. Like really, i thought that was 100% the case, ritoky seemed to think that, Ace probably too, some people from the obs QT -- maybe even more people from the obs QT since why the fuck otherwise are there people who are not in the game posting in the thread?!?! Hell i believe even the HOSTS thought that was the case since apparently Artanis felt the need to CLARIFY in thread the game is still ongoing....

So... If you are town the game is invalid because to prove you are town you would need to prove you were lying, which would make you mafia. You can argue that i am scum and doing whatever you decide you want to say but my opinion here is not going to change since the ONLY way the game is not invalid in my opinion is if you are scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 12:30 GMT

#101

On January 15 2016 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG is it just me or was Holyflare just trying really really hard to be funny and rayn is being ridiculous about it?

seems like even the obs qt and hosts were "being ridiculous about it" if that is the case...

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 12:33 GMT

#102

I don't feel the need to explain this any further to anyone.
I also don't feel the need to explain myself any further to anyone in case someone thinks i am mafia for this.

I just don't care. So don't ask me anything about this, i said all i had to say.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 12:37 GMT

#104

Well i think Trfel is mafia.
But no, noone claimed scum already-

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 15 2016 12:47 GMT

#105

On January 15 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote:
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

Show nested quote +

I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

This is even more crappy read than the one on ritoky to be honest.
I don't think there is any way Trfel to come to this conclusion as town because this post basically says that Alot's actions are townie because he would not want to aggravate town!Holyflare (which he doesn't even necessarily think is the case here -- since this reads post, orhis other posts doesn't include a townread on Holyflare). Not to even mention Alot has never played with Holyflare earlier so there is no reason to think the thought process is legit in the first place EVEN IF Holyflare was town.