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I'm going for 1:1 | ||
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On January 19 2016 08:45 disformation wrote: disformation present and accounted for! HHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Lemme get some D20 and roll out some numbers. I could do this too... | ||
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1:2 Meet me at the bottom. | ||
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On January 19 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote: Ok. [2,1] and picking dreamflower. I like the pick, I'd be more willing to dreamflower myself if I wasn't sure I'd be committing sudoku right off. | ||
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I'm def waiting, I couldn't think of a number I liked enough to stick it out. | ||
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and we haven't even started the game proper FYI I'm probably never saying what I pick. It may or may not be a number I throw out, and I'm not above tanking somebody's spot just kus. | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:10 Keirathi wrote: Also FWIW, I'd recommend townies at least fucking LOOK at picking defensive roles. I know picking some kind of vig is fun at all, but there's probably going to be 6+ KP flying around N1. There's a balance between denying mafia roles like CPR Doc and keeping townies alive. Pffft, yea if you care about winning. Clearly game is actually about picking the dopest role to prove your skills. Though if you wanna get your medic on that's cool. | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:27 Damdred wrote: Maybe I should change to 1:1 to be with you guys It's always cooler at the bottom. + Show Spoiler + Heat rises. | ||
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Thinking Koshi and Superbia town. Kinda based on meta as well as their mindset. I could see mafia claiming to go for dreamflower though, it's an obviusly pro-town role and might give them some easy cred. For whatever reason I believe Super is seriously going for it though, which is a risky move for mafia. | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:39 kitaman27 wrote: Setup speculation time (first person to wine about this gets mafia points!) What will I be spending my mafia points on? Kus I kinda don't like this post... | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:50 kitaman27 wrote: Ah yeah I missed the doc part. Sadly nothing, but you're welcome to elaborate. I really hate the idea of mass claims, I don't see that helping at all. With a few exceptions roles are really alignment indicative imo so claims only give mafia targeting priority. I'm not sure I like a lot of your list, but tbh I have no real opinions regarding the role picking stuff. You couldn't be bothered to figure out the Werner Von Braun role. I kinda get the sense that your tryharding to look friendly and helpful here. Possibly NAI, but I'm not letting you fool me like in New Personality. | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:51 kitaman27 wrote: dreamflower is a compulsive vig who has to shoot mafia. I find it very unlikely to be picked by mafia for "town cred". You misunderstood, I said "mafia CLAIMING to go for dreamflower" Clearly any mafia actually going for that rule is either a fool or a hero... possibly both. | ||
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Tbh I don't care what order I pick in. I /in'd kus I thought this might be a fun game but it's not one I plan to put a ton of effort into. I'll go ahead and claim 13:13 for right now though. | ||
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I think it's something mafia might so, you don't. Fine. This is why I don't always flesh out my early reads btw, kus then people just nitpick at them. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:13 Damdred wrote: Pretty numerous tt and disf overlapped This is true, the important thing is that I won the RNG roll to go before him. Sorry Dis nothing personal, but I'm kinda scum reading you atm so I decided to snipe your spot. Also, totally called that Onegu wouldn't go 1:1. Also I'm super behind on this game and that prob wont change till Day phase starts (tomorrow is busier than today was for me). No idea what I'm gunna pick for role. Going for something fun though. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:43 disformation wrote: Yeah, assign me a role, but be gentle.  Still want TT to explain why he felt like picking the same number as me. =/ Tbh it was a bit of a tossup if I wanted to hit 1:1, 4:1, or 8:1 1:1 was mostly just kus. 4:1 was what I was thinking of picking before game started, also I wouldn't have minded blocking Kita. 8:1 was to block you. I went with my gut and blocked you. Both you and Kita are mild scum leans based on what I've been able to read thus far. Largely based on tone and some meta, so eh. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:52 Cephiro wrote: Pretty much. I figured since I'm aiming for a partially random role it's fairly likely I'll get it anyway, and I remembered just a bit before deadline that I might as well knock someone down a bit while still keeping myself at a fairly high pick. Just checked a few filters I hadn't been too fond of hastily and decided to bump him a bit. Intentionally took 3,2 instead of 3,1 so he'd get the pick before me in case people were gonna make a fuss about it. I mean more than one third of the game is mafia, so I figured it's not too unlikely I'll hit one even if I haven't been paying the most attention to the thread so far. I'm really sceptical about the overall thread presence and people trying to lead, and until someone shows extremely surefire signs of being the clearest of clear town, I'm not very eager to co-operate. Not really keen on giving scum any control over my actions, in the worst case. This is very much how I've been looking at this game tbh. Especially agree with the bolded. I estimate myself becoming cooperative and invested post D1-2. Take that as you will. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:10 Palmar wrote: Before I go to sleep, this is the outline of a plan that I'm slowly formulating, it's not very well thought through yet, mostly because I don't really know most of the roles, but here goes: 1. Keirathi - Trust level quite low: Force to pick gambler or dreamflower Why is this Palmar? I saw you say you were going to read his filter but never saw much from that. (and from what I recall of his posts he looked ok) iirrc he said he was gunna 1:1 to block Onegu, who jumped ship on 1:1 apparently Which actually makes me suspect Onegu more than Keir. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote: Sup, I'm home from school. Good to see I got first pick. I"m going to pick one of Link, CPR Doc, Moriarty, or Nigella. Catching up now. Humm I actually don't like this post though. Not the reaction I'd expect from someone who got 1st pick expecting to be sniping someone who hard claimed 1:1. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:19 Breshke wrote: I think this is a bad attitude TT. Like even if we cooperate with a few scum then I feel like it limits the shit they can do aswell since everything is fairly public. If everyone goes and does their own shit then its going to end up how the pick order did and i got 7th and i picked 20 20 I suppose, SL also convinced me with a few of his posts that putting some faith in Palmar is worth it. Also now that I'm basically caught up I think I do kinda like his reads. Roles being on the table, I don't really care what I get. Time Travelling Vigilante Werner Von Braun Dreamflower Flowey Was kinda my picks pre-game. I'd be down with Dr. House or Copycat though. I probably shouldn't ever be the Hero based off the last time I got that role(ish). | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:23 Keirathi wrote: Wat. Onegu posted saying he was backing out of 1,1. I wasn't surprised or anything. Oh did he? I must have skipped some pages on accident. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:32 disformation wrote: mild scum lean, blocks number. "k". not being cooperative. "k". not sure I want to have a town lean on you anymore.  Fair enough. I wasn't the biggest fan of your read on me anyhow, and I felt like you were being a little to agreeable. | ||
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I kinda thought his big list was a little suspect, both a few of the things he suggest and the way it was setup. Tbh though some of what I've read from him lately give me mixed feelings. I've seen some decent thinking, but also some posts suggesting that he's looking at the game from a mafia win perspective (I'm not sure how to say it better, just like looking at mechanics from a mafia pov). He's someone I intend to filter dive tomorrow. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:53 Keirathi wrote: Someone talk to me about Damdred. That dude is totally scum. I doubt it, but could look through his filter. What makes you think this? | ||
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I see nothing that would make me suspect him though. | ||
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Cake you're being silly. I use ^.^ and >.< randomly, though somewhat rarely as well as the occasional  .And I'm off for the night. Willing to read suggestions on roles to take when I wake up. | ||
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Gambler might be an ok pick, think I'll shoot for one of the roles I threw out in my list earlier though. Prob send my PM right before I catch the bus to my 2nd job, so I've got some time to ponder still. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:48 The Shining wrote: That's probably the best I'll get from someone who I think is town but called me useless. Alright I'm locking in TT vig. If I don't get it, mc ftw I'm not sure I follow what you mean by this. Am I gunna get shot? | ||
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Tempted to go for Werner. | ||
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Too bad this was posted well after I had to leave. Got an ok challenger role, don't wanna say what it is just yet though. | ||
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On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote: TT - I didn't like his "I probably won't put much effort into this one" post because it just feels like a reason to afk or not care later. And the last time he did that, he got lynched as blue and said he wouldn't do it again so I'm not sure why he's choosing to do it here. I also didn't like his reasoning for blocking Disfo. I have them both as possible scum, but they could very well be different teams. He also had a change in tone from "I won't put much effort into this one" to "I'll probably be invested d1-d2." I don't see how that's townie. The bolded is pure Lies and Slander. Besides in this game i kinda feel like town starts out more fucked and the game is a little more about the 4v4 scumteam. Hell tbh I'm not even sure I trust my reads very much since Scum can do pretty legit town-looking plays looking for the opposing scumteam. Besides I think it's shit to judge me by how much effort I claim I'm gunna put into games. I usually play and post a fair bit as either alignment. | ||
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Speaking of dumbtells I don't really like SL making a big deal about his missed PM. Though my gut is leaning town on him kus of how upset he was that his "sweet spot" number didn't work out. | ||
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On January 21 2016 13:34 Keirathi wrote: TT/GB: So if you're not mafia, who is? If you can't even come up with someone that is scummy, how do you expect people to think you're town? How to you expect to not get lynched? History has taught me to kinda just expect this since I'm an odd guy. I'm also tempted to focus a touch more on my town reads, which atm is something like. Koshi Superbia Rels* The Shining Damdred* Keir* Palmar* Sicklucker* FF - Shoehorned in for good behavior Obi (? Idk why I'm leaning town on him tbh) *I plan to reread filters and I may be forgetting one or two people. | ||
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On January 21 2016 20:36 Rels wrote: OK caught up. First thing (shamelessly stolen from disfo + completed): + Show Spoiler [role list] + 1. Keirathi - house 2. Superbia - CPR doc 3. ObiWanShinobi - Nigella 4. Rels - Captain Malcolm 5. Palmar - arrow 6. geript - link 7. Breshke - holmes 8. Koshi - Werner von braun 9. Cephiro - dreamflower 10. kitaman27 - Dr. Sy N. Tist 11. Vivax - ??? 12. Tictock - Mysterious challenger (???) 13. disformation - Watson 14. Fecalfeast - Moriarty 15. Damdred - doc 16. AlotSomuch - kitaman27 17. VayneAuthority - hero 18. The Shining - TTV 19. Onegu - ??? 20. Sicklucker - ??? 21. Copcake - Mysterious challenger (???) 22. GlowingBear - Flowey Copcake said she was randomed a role so I assume it means she got a mysterious challenger. If your role was stolen you need to claim it now. If you claim that after D1 we will lynch you first to check. These person need to claim what role they got: 11. Vivax - ??? 12. Tictock - Mysterious challenger (???) 19. Onegu - ??? 20. Sicklucker - ??? 21. Copcake - Mysterious challenger (???) Lynch me today if all you care about is what my role is. | ||
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On January 21 2016 22:23 Koshi wrote: disformation, Because if we lynch VA he can pick somebody who voted on him. Imo everybody should vote for him. Humm, interesting. I think I like this idea. | ||
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On January 21 2016 22:32 disformation wrote: Bleh, Breshke's filter is pretty stale... Mostly NAI setup stuff, here and there a line or question that could be nice, but don't see those going anywhere. I like that he was trying to make the detective trio happen. I'd like Breshke to be town so we can out-rap scum together. + Show Spoiler + So I am slightly biased, but I want to see some reads and stuff. No real reason to worry about him imo, though I'd put money on him being town. Like if he's mafia he'll prob keep acting in the interest of town and help find the opposing team. | ||
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On January 21 2016 22:33 Koshi wrote: Nha. I very much think lynching VA is the best info we can get. But I am not going to push for this idea because I cannot explain genius to flowers. ^.^ I get you Koshi, and yea I don't think there's a way to get enough traction here for your idea to pan out. | ||
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Aww Rels, and I was townreading you too. Why'd you have to go and blow off pretty valid points like this? | ||
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On January 21 2016 23:05 Palmar wrote: I'm just gonna write off disfo as town for effort. gj! Careful, I've been toneing down my scum read on him, but he hasn't managed to convince me he is town yet. There is something missing that I'm more used to seeing from Town!Dis and I know he's not afraid to play as scum and can stay active. And I think my "too agreeable" point still stands. | ||
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On January 21 2016 23:41 disformation wrote: Uh. Yeah. Great. GB's filter is def. very unsexy as well. I also need to start making notes or something. I thought there were a few GB posts I liked. His filter has nuthin'. Thought you were doing that already... On January 19 2016 09:53 disformation wrote: Well, that are both the ppl I made notes of so far. xD Superbia going for Dreamflower smells a bit of wine to me though, but that could have different reasons. Also felt kinda genuine to me. Would lean town. Second thing I noted was koshi dumbtelling and his reaction on being called out on that. Would town lean as well. Can you narrow down what you don't like about this post? | ||
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On January 21 2016 23:55 Palmar wrote: Please fill out this survey I best describe myself as: [ ] A person of lower intellectual capability [ ] A member of a criminal organization [ X ] A person who makes their own boxes | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote: Is anyone townreading Sicklucker? He lost me after his overblown dumbtell thing on forgetting to send a PM. Otherwise I was leaning town on him. | ||
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Sheeping Koshi kus atm he's a pretty cool dude even if he did sorta ninja Werner from me. ##vote VayneAuthority I like Palmars push on Kita, and Vivax also looks like a solid lynch. Dis might be town, but I'm not seeing it. I'm also not sure I want to lynch him kus of his role and he has info that may prove neccesary. Which only further enforces my scum feels on him >.< I'm also slightly feeling like GB is town here. I do kinda believe he's be more down with the role talk and just being more engaged as scum. Not really good reasons though. | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 22 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote: [QUOTE]On January 21 2016 22:32 disformation wrote: Bleh, Breshke's filter is pretty stale... Mostly NAI setup stuff, here and there a line or question that could be nice, but don't see those going anywhere. I like that he was trying to make the detective trio happen. I'd like Breshke to be town so we can out-rap scum together. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17CLlZuiBkQ So I am slightly biased, but I want to see some reads and stuff. [/QUOTE] No real reason to worry about him imo, though I'd put money on him being town. Like if he's mafia he'll prob keep acting in the interest of town and help find the opposing team. [/QUOTE] "I'd put money on him being town, cuz if he is mafia he is his probably still helping town." What kind of flowers are you smoking? The sale strain. Fuck that 30% tax Good stuff. No I'd put money on him being town kus of a couple of subtle things he's done. His role keeps him invested in acting in town's interest for multiple reasons, even moreso if he's mafia. Least in imo. | ||
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On January 22 2016 05:47 disformation wrote: "I'd put money on him being town, cuz if he is mafia he is his probably still helping town." What kind of flowers are you smoking? The sale strain. Fuck that 30% tax Good stuff. No I'd put money on him being town kus of a couple of subtle things he's done. His role keeps him invested in acting in town's interest for multiple reasons, even moreso if he's mafia. Least in imo. | ||
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So thanks for that Kita. | ||
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On January 22 2016 07:17 Rels wrote: I did exactly that earlier. You know because you've quoted it: Why did my list not get that kind of reaction ? Right place right time. His list helped me check on a couple of peoples claimed roles I happened to be wondering about without digging through a bunch of the game. Also he's better looking than you. | ||
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On January 22 2016 09:10 AlotSomuch wrote: And even from your POV, you haven't debated that this will net you at least one guaranteed scum, and most likely the busdriver who can mess with watchers, trackers, and cops (but not me). I officially find you suspicious and think your proposed line of thinking has holes. ##vote superbia. This is either not that serious or somewhat forced imo. Like he's been so docile thus far just going with the flow, so suddenly lashing out like this feels a bit odd. Especially the "I officially find you suspicious" bit. Idk looking over his filter Alot is pretty null to me. I've never played with him so I dunno how to guage his posts too much. I didn't have any issues with this post though that someone (Rels?) was pushing, On January 20 2016 09:40 AlotSomuch wrote: I don't really mind being assigned a role. Apparently Vayne thought I was scummy and knocked me down from number 11 to 16...so...well done Vayne? The "well done Vayne" part was obviously sarcastic since he only got dropped a few spots. | ||
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I'm gunna get some other shit done but I'll be back later to do some filter diving and look at lynches for today. I can't help but notice that Onegu, Damdred and Vivax have all more or less dissapeared from the game since D1 started, but not sure if that means anything. They will prob be the people I start with when I look at filters. Other people I want to look at closer. geript Keirathi Cephiro | ||
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On January 22 2016 04:42 Tictock wrote: Lynch me today if all you care about is what my role is. Cool, so did I. My position hasn't changed. | ||
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On January 22 2016 12:11 disformation wrote: 4 am not sober have tlake with a close friend for like 4hours straight. will not decide now. there are two posttibilites a= imma just lynch you for annyoing me v) imma say fuck roles and just lynch the guy i think is the most likely to flip scum. still might be you but i think vivianx is still more scummy. also random note. despite saying that maybe we should stop talking about roles and mechanics and ocus and flwoer s we still end up talking only about roles and mechanics and picks again... Funny that you say this is the same breath that you're pushing me to claim my role... I really don't see you putting in much real thought this game Dis. You've spent a lot of time focused on me, but mostly you're just going with the flow. I'm used to town!Dis picking up on something and agonizing over it for half the day going back and forth and asking questions to try and make up your mind. Here you are basically agreeing with most of what people say and not sharing much of your own thinking. I get that you don't like me right now (you shouldn't), but honestly thinking I'm scum? I doubt it. Your not asking yourself real questions about what I'm doing, like why would I snipe your spot as scum when I saw you townreading me? Feels like I've become a scumread more out of convenience to you than any actual conviction behind it. | ||
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Onegu: Apparently I missed a couple of his posts earlier today, and also somehow (prob skipped a few pages between 20-30) missed his pic from in the hospital. Just Lol to whoever questioned his pre-game post about having that surgery on Tuesday. Overall I'm gunna leave Onegu at null, I'd almost lean town on him based on his scumreads though. Vivax: Vivax's filter is pretty barren of any real content and the few scum reads he has made... On January 20 2016 20:28 Vivax wrote: 8 mafia vs 14 town, any player in here has a 36 % chance of being mafia. Every third player posting something is statistically mafia. We might as well surrender to RNG instead of trying to argue about lynches knowing that a shitton of people is lying about them. The only question in this game is which mafia team wins. As such I don't plan on pouring any effort going beyond half assed in this game. Ofc I stole kita's thunder by picking his number cause I think he's mafia (saying I don't do anything about number claiming is pretty stupid cause giving my opinion on it is already "doing something" and I had good reason not to partake in that plan where mafia has all the numbers nicely presented for their team to coordinate. On January 20 2016 22:39 Vivax wrote: Rels is probably the towniest fucker in here right now. Palmar pretends to care but all he wants is just to skate by as the mafia eminence and let others do the work for him, while trying to lynch me. He is also a real sucker for kita's argument against me which was an argument a player like kita wouldn't bring as town, since I assume he knows me well enough. And on top of it the argument was bad, Are really weak at best. I also think this was a very scummy post. On January 21 2016 19:33 Vivax wrote: I got quite the pro town role. Breakfast time :> "I'm pro town, gunna fuck off now" Damdred: I'm a bit torn on Damdred, he could very well be busy and not able to put much time into the game but there is something about his later posts that feel off to me, kinda just tonal I think. On January 21 2016 08:33 Damdred wrote: Not exactly sure what the big deal is about me. I'm working 18 hour days because people quit. I've already said I'm being lazy today and trying to figure out what I picked. I didn't read any of the game from that point until I posted again and saw kitas plan and his suggestion for a role for me was a good one. A trade for mafia early is always good. Now if the bumbling morons in thread can say why I'm more blah than others especially when half the fucking game knows I've been off my rocker wanting to ducking roll scum for the past 10 games. So fuck you guys if you think id be so half ass as scum, like really go sit on it and rotate. I'll ser you after deadline and if anyone counterpucks me and I somehow get a decent mysterious role in coming for you and will make life hell no matter what my read is on you. Because I will fuck you up. On January 21 2016 08:39 Damdred wrote: I 100% am using whatever negative ability I get on obi no matter what now and the only way to stop me is to lynch me d1. I allowed myself to be dicked around by ff because it was the date I got married on, but I won't be dicked around because I'm not able to be here when I am legit one of the stronger town players I. The game and these fear reads on me are pathetic The anger in these posts feels a little off to me, especially the outburst at Obi seems over the top when Obi had just asked Damdred if he would be ok to accept Doc or not (unless I'm misreading the interaction between them). The part where Damdred mentions that he'd love to play scum and has not been able to in 10 games also feels off to me. Last game I saw Damdred as scum (might have been the only game tbh) was in SotW2 where he was very much disengaged and did the bare minimum. So I have a hard time accepting Damdred would really be so gung-ho to play as scum. Pg1 of his filter feels kinda like a town!damdred. Pg2 just feels wrong, I see a lot of anger and bitching an moaning about role stuff. No efforts to be level headed or discuss things in a productive mannor. I'm also a bit meh that Damdred rolled over and took doc (which can be ok for scum too tbh, helps them keep their team alive in the NK warfare between scum teams). Still, I'd kinda like to see what Damdred does today to really decide, even though at this point the day is over half over. Plus Doc is obv a decent role to have on our side if Damdred is in fact town + Show Spoiler + but that's just another reason why scum might take it... ugh So out of these 3 I'd probably only really be down to lynch Vivax today. | ||
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helps them keep their team alive in the NK warfare between scum teams Actually thinking about this more, to some extent scum kinda wants to do their thing during the day phase just as much as at night right? Why not do some legit scum hunting (looking for the other team) while getting the towncred when you get it right. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:15 disformation wrote: Let me quote some beautiful advise I got during one of my NSM games: Bonus points if someone is able to guess who told me that.  Also you can be annoying town. Earlier you kinda agreed with my read on you ( said you understood where my "too agreeable" point was comeing from) now you dismiss my argument with "meta is bad" Why does me being bad and useing meta mean I'm town but me sniping your number pick and refusing to reviel my role make me mafia? I think your just surface level reacting and trying to difuse my arguments about you without really adressing things. | ||
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On January 23 2016 03:13 Koshi wrote: So are there actually reasons why we are keeping Onegu alive or do we just want to kill Vivax who has given reads that can only be "as wrong" as literally anybody else who has been playing this game and keep people like Onegu alive who misread me town when I am mafia and misread Palmar when he is obvious town? Seriously. You can't argue with this logic. On January 23 2016 03:14 Koshi wrote: Fuck I slipped. ggnore I'm not sure I can ignore or just write this off, feels like a genuine "Oh Fuck" to me. Anyone else care to comment? I'm also really not sure I care to lynch Onegu just kus Vivax is posting a bunch of quick reads. Though I will admit it's made me a little less sure about Vivax. I think there are better lynches if we are going the route of letting Vivax lemming it up next phase. Honestly I just find it far more likely that mafia lied about their pick if they snagged an anti-town role. Why would you not claim and draw attn to yourself if you made the effort to snag a role that would help your team? | ||
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On January 23 2016 03:56 Vivax wrote: Reading Rels filter is hilarious cause he posts useless questions that lead to nowhere in regular intervals, it's such a shiny pattern it hurts my eyes. Can you tell us what made you call him "the towniest fucker in here" during the picking phases then? | ||
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I'm not sure why nobody cares to talk about Koshi literally claiming scum? On January 23 2016 04:08 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I can ignore or just write this off, feels like a genuine "Oh Fuck" to me. Anyone else care to comment? I'm also pretty disappointed this was the last thing we heard from Damdred. (and it was right at the start of this phase) On January 21 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote: I'm just joking I'm normal doctor. Now I'll start getting reads formatively anyway I'm gunna vote Diformation since he has been a consistant scumread of mine and I'm not impressed that after our last exchange he's writing me off as town while saying I'm being bad for using meta and just ignores the rest of what I was saying. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2016 13:17 Tictock wrote: Funny that you say this is the same breath that you're pushing me to claim my role... I really don't see you putting in much real thought this game Dis. You've spent a lot of time focused on me, but mostly you're just going with the flow. I'm used to town!Dis picking up on something and agonizing over it for half the day going back and forth and asking questions to try and make up your mind. Here you are basically agreeing with most of what people say and not sharing much of your own thinking. I get that you don't like me right now (you shouldn't), but honestly thinking I'm scum? I doubt it. Your not asking yourself real questions about what I'm doing, like why would I snipe your spot as scum when I saw you townreading me? Feels like I've become a scumread more out of convenience to you than any actual conviction behind it. On January 23 2016 00:15 disformation wrote: Let me quote some beautiful advise I got during one of my NSM games: Bonus points if someone is able to guess who told me that. Also you can be annoying town. ##Vote: Disformation I'd appreciate if people could take one more look at Disinfo as well as Damdred and tell me how beautiful of a flower I am for wanting to lynch them right now. | ||
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Was thinking a couple of hours to consider shenannies/other wagons would be good. I do think Dis is likely scum, but I'm like 70% on him being scum so not that strong. Vivax is an ok lynch then. I'll consolidate. | ||
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On January 23 2016 06:55 Rels wrote: TT tell me when you're around. I'm sorta around. Least checking in. Though at this point it looks like we have to lynch Vivax. | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:31 Keirathi wrote: Oh wait, I suck at timestamps. (I actually didn't realize you could see exact timestamps). The post he claimed lemmin in was 9:11am CST. The 6th vote from Rels was 9:41am CST. This might be interesting if Vivax flips the guy. | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:35 Rels wrote: Did you scumread kita when you said his list was cool ? Like I said it was just right time right place, didn't really matter his alignment. Why should it matter that I thanked him for something that happened to be useful to me? If he's scum I think it's more likely he'd make sure his list is near perfect. | ||
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Yes and kinda no. More null | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:46 Rels wrote: Then why did you say Palmar's points against kita were valid not long before ? Like you even scumread me for brushing them off here: So you must have thought there were super good points. Yet you nullread him ? I was disappointed in your response. If you disagreed with his points, why did you just blow it off? | ||
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On January 23 2016 08:03 Koshi wrote: Yeah now people want to lynch onegu. But when I asked for it nobody gave 2 shits, but when Vivax is on 21 votes, all 21 want to vote Onegu. This is true so why did you just post this? On January 23 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote: inb4 people are calling vigshots on Onegu the entire game because he is "unreadable". Onegu This is a promise. I will nuke the first person that wants to fucking lynch or vig you. | ||
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On January 23 2016 08:13 Rels wrote: TT can you explain this ? Cause I'm not seeing the logic there. Yea for some reason you think my read on Kita matters for those things. I don't get it either. | ||
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On January 23 2016 08:20 Koshi wrote: Yeah he only have 7 townreads and 5 scumreads or something. Good thing it's the number of reads that matters. Like if anyone should actually post a read on all 22 players I think we have to declare them the winner and give them a pass out of the game, right? | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:03 Rels wrote: Now for this: am I getting lost in logical problems that don't matter, or is it legit ? Cause I feel TT needed a reason to scurmead me and created this one: You are a giant Sunflower. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:04 sicklucker wrote: did tt ever claim his mc role? I didn't claim but here is a clue. 7 is not such a lucky number. | ||
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Oh right, I forgot kus Vivax never posted in our QT. My bad. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:35 Tictock wrote: It's probably too easy but I think Vivax's team has a real chance of being Koshi/Vayne/+1 possibly Damdred. Based on reactions thus far maybe it's Palmar instead of Damdred. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:53 Damdred wrote: Actually I think it is probably copcake considering TT is trying to judge reactions before making hasty decisions. Your faith in me is not rewarded. I baned you kus you were gone all phase, came back saying you had no opinions but then spent all your time and energy defending Vivax but had almost no explanation for why GB was a better lynch. | ||
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On January 24 2016 01:51 CopCake wrote: Also I would agree of him being mafia with TT and Koshi. Care to elaborate on where this came from? | ||
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Actually I'm pretty sure dreamflowers shot doesn't go through if the target was town. So either Ceph targeted someone else or mafia put their own KP on Bre. Also called all 4 of those players town, so good on me with reads thus far. Also apparently someone was a dumbass and wasted RB on me. Hope if was mafia thinkign I am mafia, that would be grand. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:08 Keirathi wrote: I tracked Koshi to Tictock. So koshi RB'd me? | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote: We're in such a horrible position right now. 16 players alive. of which 7 are mafia. 7/16. Better start killing mafia, mafia. On the other hand though we have solid odds to lynch mafia again. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:33 kitaman27 wrote: Actually this applies to Keir, FF, GB, and TT. Could you please share your thoughts on the other three? Ff is prob town, and I'm leaning town on GB. Neither for great reasons. Really not sure on Keir tbh. My meal break is almost over, so reads off the top of my head is all I can give atm. | ||
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Why? | ||
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I know kus I got a PM from HtS. | ||
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You know my role has no night actions so the only rason you'd RB me is if you think I'm mafia, but you've never really shared a read on me. So why did you pick me to RB over Onegu, who you claimed to strongly scumread and seemed paranoid about him claiming to protect you? | ||
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On January 24 2016 11:50 Koshi wrote: because you were being scummy as fuck when I sent it in. Also did you see the disinformation case? It looks good. Sigh. Everyone scumreads me, but nobody has reasons why I'm mafia. Just "I look scummy as fuck" I don't buy this, and Dis has been waffeling on me all game so what about his case looked good? | ||
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On January 24 2016 11:53 Koshi wrote: Dude. Don't try to use logic on me in this game. Like you said. I didn't want to mess with blue roles so I rb somebody who might be mafia and would deliver a kill. I sent it in when you were saying I was mafia. Or you were saying something really dumb and I decided that I wanted to rb you. Why I didn't rb Onegu? Because I am trying to make a pact with mafia. Right but you RB me with the thought that I could be mafia... | ||
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On January 24 2016 12:27 CopCake wrote: WTF you fucking wtf why did you shot palmar It's not a real one. Chill. | ||
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On January 24 2016 12:30 Half the Sky wrote: ATTENTION: Nuclear Launch Detected ![[image loading]](http://boingboing.net/features/nuke/blastring.jpg) Koshi has fired a nuclear missile at kitaman27! This one is real. | ||
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As for Dis, his little outburst over thinking me knowing I was RB'd was proof that I was scum seems pretty towny. I've probably just been semi-tunneled on him. Maybe that reaction could come from scum still given this setup, but idk. I'm also just plain confused about Onegu. However him claiming artonis or w/e last min does just look like a someone fessing up kus they know they are about to be found out. We should probably lynch him just for that. There's a few people I want to reread though, I'd rather not just afk vote Onegu for the role thing. | ||
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The KP is only valid if he survives the day. Even in the worst case scenario we could have Cake shovel him to avoid the extra KP (course then we wouldn't know the flip till Cake dies). This is not a bad point actually. | ||
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I'm open to suggestions on how to use my last Ban. Needs to be submitted during a Day phase. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:02 sicklucker wrote: how so? hes only able to redirect one kp not multiple. he killed the maximum of towns. He may have saved a town but he could not have killed two people Well if he snagged the role as scum then obv he wants to be as much use as possible with it for his team. In that case it's value for his team to use a KP on Alot to stop him outing the role and means Onegu would not need to claim his role and actions. I forget if someone was claiming to protect Alot though, that would change things because I doubt his team would waste both KP just to keep him from outing Onegu. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:30 Onegu wrote: I am a busdriver... If I was scum I bus alot and someone else. Then the shot would go on alot and the protection would go on the someone else... Cool. Seems solid then. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:40 Onegu wrote: My point is he showed he thinks I am town and is trying to get me lynched anyway... You know he did unvote you and cautioned people from jumping on you too easily right? Granted he was still pushing for actions on you, but I think that's more because he doesn't trust you with the role. My point is that even if he is scum there is no reason for him to dismiss faction KP, so him doing it isn't actually alignment indicative. | ||
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On January 25 2016 04:29 Rels wrote: Koshi => The opposite of SL. I was pretty sure this guy was town because of a dumbtell, but his attitude since then is so bad I started thinking he was scum hiding behind trolling to get away for not posting a lot of serious thing. But the fact that he roleblocked TT makes him town I think. If Koshi was scum, he could have used any of his other abilities to help his team instead of trying to stop a KP. Like put a bomb on a strong townie like me or Palmar, or go to Mars with a teammate and someone to lynch. The interesting thing here is that Koshi never shared his scumread on me and only become concerned about me being scum when I started pushing Koshi as scum. He wasn't trying to RB me just to stop KP, he was RBing me because he was concerned might be sending KP his way. At least that's how I am interpreting that action. It adds up too, look at how concerned Koshi is about survival even though he keeps saying town is fucked this game. I also think it's interesting that Koshi didn't nuke one of his own scum reads (like me), but nuked Kita instead. Anyways, we can discuss Koshi later. Lynching the red check does seem like the best/only option right now. ##Vote: Fecalfeast | ||
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Town: 1. disformation 2. kitaman27 3. Rels 7. Damdred 8. Tictock 12. Superbia 15. The Shining 17. sicklucker 22. Palmar Unsure/mafia 4. Onegu 5. Keirathi 21. CopCake 11. AlotSomuch 6. GlowingBear 13. Koshi 16. Fecalfeast Not listed in any particular order, and I'm probably wrong on at least a couple people. | ||
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He only had the one RB rocket. | ||
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On January 25 2016 09:22 Koshi wrote: I get 1 extra rocket if I RB mafia. ezpz Well this isn't true, but it looks like I did misread. He does have "many V1 rockets but only 1 of the others". | ||
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On January 25 2016 09:35 Damdred wrote: Teehee koshi got mafia Tt Right... Kus you checked his role found this rule he made up and it ofc makes sense that he'd be notified that his RB landed on mafia. | ||
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He's been fairly active and somewhat interactive which is prob why I've been kinda TRing him. However there is little to no content at all in his ~8pg filter. He gave some reads and did some stuff during the pick phases, but D1 pretty much never cared where his vote ended up. It's actually really weird that this was FF's most interesting read, On January 20 2016 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote: Mmmm, damdred's filter is a decently flavourful morsel I must say. Something you'd get at a fancy restaurant with the sauce drizzled right next to it rather than on top. Still don't feel like changing my number though On January 20 2016 12:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I didn't think his filter was touny I said it was like something at a fancy restaurant. Tastes fine but the portion is so small it's not even worth paying for. I guess I was a little baked and assumed everyone would get it but I meant his filter was a small portion of things that look nice but have no substance. Like damdred normally makes a towncircle so he made a townlist but it was hardly backed up at all. He joked around with me because he knows I like joking around but when I said I wasn't moving he just said his numbers had sentimental value and that he didn't care if I took them. That's not what I was looking for so I called his bluff. So yea, obv lynch. I'm thinking Kita will flip town here kus of his little games before claiming his check. He was basically holding off the check for a bit while furthering some reads based on it, which is pretty smart. I also think it's more likely to be a towny doing that kus scum would prob just want the cred from the flip. | ||
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I don't see why he'd lie about it, or how he'd misunderstand it this bad as mafia. FF is still a great lynch. He doesn't care about this lynch at all still, only vaguely tries to discredit Kita. Ofc even if Kita is mafia it in no way makes FF town. | ||
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On January 26 2016 06:15 Rels wrote: Fucking town not wanting to lynch fucking busdriver. Let's lynch the scum vet instead. I don't care you're dead tonight or tomorrow. ##Unvote ##Vote FecalFeast I just would prefer to make sure we are lynching mafia again. Maybe Onegu is scum, but there is an equally solid chance he is town here. Either Onegu gets sorted out tonight through night actions or we can debate about him again tomorrow with more info. | ||
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On January 26 2016 08:21 Damdred wrote: I like the cut of this man. He's smart handsome and speaks his mind. As such I'd rather not be shot tonight and lynched tommorow so I have 72 hours to play uninterrupted. I'd like to see his. Kus you've basically done nothing the last couple of phases. Sure my role fucked with your vote, but you using that as an excuse to do nothing today is rather scummy. | ||
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On January 26 2016 09:01 Half the Sky wrote: Night 2 Fecalfeast, as Professor Moriarty, was lynched! kitaman27, as Dr. Sy N. Tist, was completely obliterated! Final Vote Count - Day 2 Fecalfeast (11): Koshi, disformation, Palmar, sicklucker (1): Onegu GlowingBear (1): sicklucker kitaman27 (1): Koshi (1): kitaman27 Onegu (0): Tictock (0): Not Voted (0): Exempt (1): Damdred It is now Night 2. Please submit all night actions to GreYMisT and myself. The night phase will end in resolution at . Just LoL given that EoD. Ok so koshi is like confirmed town now in my mind. Not just kus of him shooting akita either. | ||
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On January 26 2016 13:56 sicklucker wrote: thanks mister. onegu if you are town and you bus anyone tonight it should proably be this guy Why does that post mean anything? | ||
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On January 26 2016 14:24 sicklucker wrote: because kita is clearly out to get the other mafia team ... why would he say your with them unless he believes it. This does not make it true but it does mean kitas team thinks your with ff which makes you likely to be so So basically you think that FF's team thinks I'm mafia based off him posting this, and you think that means I'm probably mafia because they clearly have solid reads on mafia. Like ok fine, maybe FF really did think I'm mafia. It's wierd that you'd put more stock in that read than your own thinking. But hey if it's true that FF's team thinks that it just means I'm probably getting killed tonight. Scum should want to kill me, town is doing a better job solving this game than they are. | ||
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On January 26 2016 20:57 Rels wrote: Like, not over the two dumbtells at the beginning of the game, the organizing town at a time where scum didn't care, the reaction test on someone that could have shot him instantly. Uhh Kita just flipped scum and he tried to be very active in organizing town early on. So clearly there were scum who at least cared to try and some who didn't. As for SL though, I kinda think he's town. Seems really weird that he'd quote a post that FF made calling Kita and me scum together and then get that mixed up thinking it was kita calling me scum with FF if SL is scum. | ||
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On January 26 2016 21:17 Koshi wrote: Maybe Rels is mafia with SL? It is getting ridiculous. They are not in the team with kita. But in the team with fefe. I'm more worried about Rels and Damdred being mafia atm than SL or Onegu. I should try and get through Rels filter here at some point, not sure it will happen before day though. Catching a mafia Rels is not very easy though... | ||
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On January 26 2016 23:40 Palmar wrote: Data: format: ID, Name, Posts, words, words-per-post, activity rating sorted by activity rating. 6|Palmar|333|10653|31.990990990991|12.5911240510595 3|Rels|348|10409|29.9109195402299|12.5851017652871 4|Koshi|346|8130|23.4971098265896|12.3143024627779 19|sicklucker|304|8405|27.6480263157895|12.2942178780475 13|kitaman27|158|9178|58.0886075949367|12.105527220351 26|Superbia|316|4994|15.8037974683544|11.7458084276567 18|disformation|158|6246|39.5316455696203|11.6876620366899 24|Keirathi|130|5961|45.8538461538462|11.5522411568805 11|The Shining|113|4964|43.929203539823|11.2926578755501 16|Tictock|113|4789|42.3805309734513|11.2536905360899 17|Fecalfeast|160|2671|16.69375|10.7708047027094 23|Onegu|143|2445|17.0979020979021|10.6260331961142 1|CopCake|102|2576|25.2549019607843|10.5359648184814 9|Cephiro|53|3341|63.0377358490566|10.5339670586961 21|ObiWanShinobi|127|1940|15.2755905511811|10.3233080457815 20|Damdred|86|1935|22.5|10.1512008746309 14|GlowingBear|87|1876|21.5632183908046|10.1226013377262 25|AlotSomuch|53|1686|31.811320754717|9.7914197953226 15|Breshke|67|1366|20.3880597014925|9.66470155106461 10|Vivax|43|1271|29.5581395348837|9.39383233196461 2|geript|41|1108|27.0243902439024|9.22413325770076 5|VayneAuthority|47|991|21.0851063829787|9.1622819941489 Are you actually expecting this to pan out and give us any real info? It looks like a lot of work for the sake of looking like analysis to me. And since it looks like you've already listed this in order of highest to lowest "activity rank" you can already see that Town and Mafia are mixed together pretty randomly which means this probably isn't a good heuristic. So I highly disagree with your conclusion, On January 26 2016 23:41 Palmar wrote: My new theory, bunch of lazy townies bottom, bunch of active townies top. Guess who's in the middle I expect to find mafia sprinkled in all over your list there, there is actually 0 chance they are all clumped together in the middle. | ||
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On January 27 2016 05:07 Keirathi wrote: I played with scum!Cake on vendetta-strada. She was way more...impactful?...there. Like she was proactively pushing reads, getting in fiths with people, etc. She played quite well. The only reason I caught her was because of the way she interacted with her other scum buddies, and she probably still could have won after I was lynched but she ended up forfeiting. Basically I know Cake is very capable of tryharding as scum. It's hard to say if she's just scum here without time to play, or not very confident townie with not much time to play. I would tend to lean toward the latter, at this point, but not a lot of reasoning for it. This matches up rather well with my (limited) experience with Cake. Played with her as Town in the game Rayn semi-hosted but aborted and she seemed pretty similar to how she is in this game. So I've kinda been giving her a pass. And fyi, saying you've lost your motivation to play because Palmar is an ass is pretty shitty. Ignore him if he's upsetting you that much. Don't use him as an excuse to afk. | ||
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On January 27 2016 05:39 Keirathi wrote: I got lazy and haven't updated it since right around the start of day 1, but: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t7DbjeTlBc75aUKSW93mmcgPt6fGDhW9pdqDZ1G8vzE/edit?usp=sharing That's where I was at at htat point. I'm having a hard time progressing from there, though. Partly aggravated at Palmar, mostly aggravated at myself. This was your own notes for keeping track of your reads? | ||
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Really? kus some of the wording is strange. Slight townie feel from the argument with OWS at the end of drafting phase. I have fact-checked, but I don't remember scum!damdred ever raging in thread. This isn't written like a note you leave for yourself, this is written for someone else to read it | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:06 Keirathi wrote: My intention was to post it at the end of night0, but I wasn't finished with it then and then quit updating it shortly after day1 started. Well, except for adding in an extra column for the claimed roles. Humm ok that makes sense. Don't really think scum would bother to fake something like this anyways, was just wondering. | ||
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Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second. Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia. | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote: Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why? It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night. Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game. I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar. Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote: explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me. SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team. You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though. Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:15 Koshi wrote: ##vote tictock Also waffled on the read on me somewhere. I was lock town from the start and then somewhere he posted an entire post how I "now" confirmed town to him. Boring stuff. Keeping options open. Not solving the game. Yea kus waffling and changing my mind shows no thought process at all... There was a decent day or so i was really thinking you were mafia, was some of your interactions before EoD2 that made me go back to you being town. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:19 Keirathi wrote: Wait, how do you know Kita and Vivax were on the same team? My intuition would say they were on OPPOSITE teams, in which case Palmar has been pushing to lynch people from botht eams? I said it could be the case, why do you think they were on different teams? I thought Palmar even made his big case about Kita's read on Vivax linking the two. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:22 Superbia wrote: TT who did you think I was going to shoot in the night? The fuck would I know, least until you posted that you were gunna shoot me. I don't recall any of your posts last night before that one. | ||
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Gunna step out, I'll be back later tonight. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:26 Superbia wrote: Can you elaborate a bit on copcake and glowingbear? Honestly no. Other than weak townreads based on meta (moreso on Cake than GB), they have both just been hanging out in the background. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:28 Koshi wrote: Copcake, not kidding. I will not vote you if you shovel GB. 100% promise. I don't have any issues with this initiative. Seriously though, stepping out now for a bit. | ||
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I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler + Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town. D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him 15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler + not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him 17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler + gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler + gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. 22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler + Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler + Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler + I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then? Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof. Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR. Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk. At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. 3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler + I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things. Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for 4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler + honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too. This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot" I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. | ||
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Gunna yolo predict this game is Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent) | ||
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On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote: Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS. Gunna yolo predict this game is Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent) For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced. ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote: To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me. I gave reasons for why people are in the category they are, it's not really my read on people. As in, I've been saying that I'm not sure I trust Palmar and I think there is still a chance that he's mafia, but for the most part what he has been doing has been pro town. Idk what to tell you about the rest, I often sit down to write posts and they evolve as they go. I made a list of everyone, took the people I felt were strongly likely to be town at top, then made the group of people I'm less sure about but have points in their favor. Who I ended up with was Rels, Dis and Onegu as I was trying to put together my thoughts on Onegu I started thinking about him using his ability that way and it sorta made sense and things clicked, so I ran with it. Maybe it's silly to vote him kus I liked my own tinfoil, but until I do the work and read some filters I'll leave it in your guy's hands if you want to give Onegu the KP power to kill me, or lynch me, or shoot me again. Unlike Koshi I don't really care if I make it to endgame. | ||
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Me, I just kinda go with the flow which sometimes means I'm reacting more with my gut instincts on things and add in more thinking later. It's probably why I get called a flower a lot and often do and say pretty little flower things. | ||
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On January 27 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote: I can get on board with killing onegu. But I am not the same mafia alignment as him and he didnt kill me so there is some reason to acualy tr him now sadly.. That being said he seems super wling to kill me here which means he will just try to kill me tonight so im probably down. (i dont have to use my powers) Uhh, so you are mafia just not with Onegu? | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:11 Rels wrote: Wow TT is scum. He makes a list of his reads, and is convinced the 3 people at the bottom are scum. We know he is that sure because of this sentence: "I've got two scums above", meaning the 3 below are 100% scums. So if he's town, he's abolutely sure Onegu disfo and me are scums. But reading the spoilers: So for all of these reads he states variations of "I need to check his filter". This is not how townie operate: here TT is giving his reads BEFORE doing the filter dives that should conclude in his reads. He is preparing his reads progression without doing the work to back them up. In short, they are fabricated. Furthermore, where is GB in all this ? He's been the scummiest player for a long time and he doesn't appear in this post. I already explained to Keir how I went about making this post. The spoilers are explanations as to why I placed people how I did. GB got shoveled and is no longer with us, I also mentioned him in a later post, but it really doesn't matter. This reaction overall feels pretty kneejerk without much real thought as to what my alignment is, but thats kinda NAI. Rels you've played with me plenty, I'd think you'd be more used to how I rethink my reads and stuff throughout a game. Also I've been meaning to ask you, did you give up making meta reads? | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote: wow you guys are so lame but not as lame as onegu who I should have used this on yesterday ##Nirvana Strike: onegu Oh ok we are gunna do that, well my vote is never leaving Onegu then. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:18 sicklucker wrote: If i was mafia why would I even claim this role? it puts me in spots like this where im a 50% chance to get lynched... If i really was mafia I would claim like kenpachi or something I doubt you would use your power like this too if you were mafia. This turn of events just reinforces my tinfoil though. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:20 sicklucker wrote: and those who vote onegu can get killed. I rly hope you guys are scum if not this is so sad lolz Nah onegu can only do that thing if we don't lynch him. Which we really should be doing here, I'm quite certain SL is never scum here. | ||
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I just wanted to know what you meant by that, calm down. That was some funny timing though, I was a few pages behind when I posted that. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:24 Rels wrote: haha p: busted by the other team Onegu TT SL ??? Last one is probably copcake How the hell does this make any sense? | ||
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On January 27 2016 18:00 Onegu wrote: You may not use this power to target yourself or knowingly bus a member of your own faction. Fuck, I read this post earlier but it didn't really click till on the way home. Double checked, just in case, and yea this makes my tinfoil total bullshit. So Onegu is actually never mafia with either Koshi or Palmar, but that doesn't prove him town. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:42 Rels wrote: Voting Onegu is the dumbest thing you can do and you should unvote until deadline / the lynch is decided. I assume it's 3 people to activate his ability. Once he gets 3 votes then he can activate his ability, but it wont mean anything if he gets lynched. Did you not have any reads on either of them? What does SL's reactions thus far tell you? Your being oddly un-opinionated about all of this. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:46 Palmar wrote: I don't think SL is mafia and I stand by that read. I will never lynch sl this game. If he's mafia he's played great, put in a lot of effort and sounded convincing when he needed to. So that leaves me with only one option. I don't care what everyone else does, it's not my problem I will be voting onegu today I will be voting disformation tomorrow. There is going to be no discussion about this. On January 28 2016 00:47 Koshi wrote: The person who put down the third vote could have been pressured hard... Oh well. This was fun. Could have been brilliant. I apologize for calling you guys mafia. Unless of course you turn out to actually be mafia, then shame on me, but I'm over that tinfoil. Honestly if nothing else this is turning into a rather interesting day for being a pre-decided lynch between Onegu and SL. | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 28 2016 00:49 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On January 28 2016 00:48 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On January 28 2016 00:47 sicklucker wrote: ITs not even my attitude its just that your reads say your voting onegu over me 100% of the time. But when the mighty palmar disagrees your 100% on his side [/QUOTE] I was not voting Onegu until I'm sure he's the lynch.[/QUOTE] you have the balls of a little old lady.[/QUOTE] No it is the correct play. p: SL explain why you wanted me to vote Onegu instantly ?[/QUOTE] WTF is this question Rels? | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:50 Rels wrote: No it is the correct play. p: SL explain why you wanted me to vote Onegu instantly ? WTF is this question Rels? | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:40 Koshi wrote: Vote for an 24h day? Only if it doesn't shorten the rest of our days (which I think it usually does). Another 24 hours isn't that bad, we had more time idle last phase. Maybe I can think up another really cool tinfoil that turns out to be totally impossible. | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:00 CopCake wrote: Dont you guys think keirathi is suddenly oh so quiet? Clearly he is hanging out in his mafia QT. No chance he's asleep, or at work, or anything like that. + Show Spoiler + This is a really terrible post | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:05 Onegu wrote: So I have already pointed out how I would want to shoot scum if I was scum not town. Also I lock in the people I can shoot then choose who to shoot at EOD if I live. I have locked in everyone Prior to Koshi voting me. ##Vote SL I mean you should want to hit scum as either alignment right? Koshi's points about your role targets is fairly true, also it's a bit interesting that you've correctly bussed KP targets each night. | ||
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I'm gunna dig into their filters but I don't remember any claims from them. | ||
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On January 28 2016 05:50 Tictock wrote: Does anybody recall if Dis or Rels claimed any of their night actions? I'm gunna dig into their filters but I don't remember any claims from them. Oh actually I didn't realize what time it was, I gotta get ready to head in for my 2nd job. This will happen tonight. | ||
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On January 28 2016 05:28 Tictock wrote: I mean you should want to hit scum as either alignment right? Koshi's points about your role targets is fairly true, also it's a bit interesting that you've correctly bussed KP targets each night. It's pretty scummy to suggest that as town Onegu is more ok killing town than he would be as scum. | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:41 Superbia wrote: Night actions: Koshi -> Madhatter The Shining Superbia -> CPR tictock disfo -> heal Superbia Rels -> heal Palmar Keirathi -> track RNG between The Shining/copcake/disfo/TT Ok I'm pretty sure you are scum. Super dropped in and had almost no reaction to things happening today, he's not even bothering to try and act like he has any reads and is definitly doing nothing to develope and further reads. For instance he said " SL reacted in a very SL way, but it could be a ploy" so he has no real read on SL but also doesn't bother to include him in any of the night action stuff here. Seriusly though why should anyone be so focused on how tonight's actions should happen when we haven't seen Onegu's flip and still have half a day to discuss shit. It's totally unlike how I've seen Super play before as well. I played with him before when he was Vig, he was agressive, in your face, and always pushing someone or something to further his reads. Here he has been totally uninvolved besides discussing his shots and mechanics. Seriusly when was the last time Super gave a read or did something that actually resembles scum hunting? | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:43 GreYMisT wrote: Geript, as Link, the Hero of Time, Died! ObiWanShinobi, as Nigella Lawson, Died! Breshke, as Sherlock Holmes, Died! Cephiro, as dreamflower, Died! Cake these were the flips from N1. Ceph died due to his own hand trying to shoot Bre, Super shot at VA who presumably protected himself, thus mafia KP was on Koshi (bussed to geript), Obi, and Bre with one shot missing. So technically yes, it is possible that I was carrrying KP and Koshi blocked it, or it could have been 2 shots on the same person, or another save happened. There was also KP missing N2 with the only claimed RB being on Super. My point is that there is tons of stuff happening at night so trying to WIFOM what happened is probably not going to get you anywhere, especially when there is more than one scum team. But fine you can be in the club of people who scumread me for little reason and can't be bothered to pay attention to the game. | ||
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Breaking this up by phase so I don't forget stuff. pg 2-5 is the pick phases. What stands out most to me about Dis's early game is that he was mostly focused on picks and very little focus on reads. It's interesting because he mentions several times that he's keeping notes on people and seems interested when he asks about my reads really early on, but when he actually talks about his reads/notes it's super shallow or when he responds to me it's basically just saying "yea I had notes that say the same thing" His posts with reads in them for reference: + Show Spoiler + On January 19 2016 09:53 disformation wrote: Well, that are both the ppl I made notes of so far. xD Superbia going for Dreamflower smells a bit of wine to me though, but that could have different reasons. Also felt kinda genuine to me. Would lean town. Second thing I noted was koshi dumbtelling and his reaction on being called out on that. Would town lean as well. Can you narrow down what you don't like about this post? On January 19 2016 11:54 disformation wrote: Hm.. nearly 4 am here, think I'll go to bed now. For what it is worth I'll throw a TR at TT, since I feel like he is really trying to figure out the game already, while most ppl are preoccupied with the pick order and roles. While I mentioned this stuff: not entirely sure what I think about picking roles based on pick order and/or priority or something. Like I am not sure if the benefit outweighs the costs and someone said that there are a bunch of roles that are hard to hold ppl accountable for/verify, need to think about that, but it could mean that there is room for scum to mess with the pick order and/or pick something else. Will try to squeeze in some time tomorrow afternoon and think about this a bit more. On January 20 2016 07:32 disformation wrote: Okay, everyone I am back. Skimmed the pages I missed. Not really liking Vivax and CopCake so far. Both seem rather uncooperative. On January 21 2016 00:17 disformation wrote: Will read that gambler stuff again later. Need to step out and do some rl stuff. Have a difficult time forming reads so far, since most of the discussion is focused on setup, numbers and roles. IMO most of that stuff is pretty NAI as it can come from both sides. Some of my notes:
Also tons of ppl I can't really remember what they have done/posted so far. Should look at those, when the game starts for real. On January 21 2016 01:29 disformation wrote: The capslock level in those posts is so ridiculous high that I can't help but feel like you are overexaggeratating and trying to force the "lord am I excited bout this!" tone. His reaction to me sniping his number picks is kinda interesting too. He's kinda mad, but not really. He claims it made him loose his townread on me but the phrasing he used was pretty odd. On January 20 2016 11:32 disformation wrote: mild scum lean, blocks number. "k". not being cooperative. "k". not sure I want to have a town lean on you anymore. It's not "bleh, thats pretty scummy maybe I was wrong and you are not town" or something like that, he's saying he still thinks I'm town he's just not happy with me. It's more like he's debating if it's worth townreading me, not if I am in fact town or not. Def does not look like a town mindset imo. I also thought it was pretty silly Dis spent like 8 posts just making lists of people's roles. Ok sure sometimes that can be helpful, but that seems a little over the top imo. Especially when Dis claimed earlier that he was TRing me for doing the opposite (ignoring picks and stuff and trying to make early reads), so it's weird that he suggests it's a good thing for town to focus more on reads but then puts so much focus himself into setup/pick stuff. Day 1, pg 5-8 So Dis jumped on Vivax really early and had mentioned him a few times in his earlier reads. I suppose he deserves some credit for that kus if he was on a team with Vivax he prob woulda pushed to keep him alive one more day to use his lemming power, but idk how solid that is. On January 21 2016 22:17 disformation wrote: Yeah, he has not a single post I like. + I remember really disliking this one: Where he basically started to being all pissy and angry, when stuff started to get organized. Happy to put my vote on him. + Show Spoiler [Tinfoil] + There is an odd feeling I have given how sure Dis seems to be that Vivax is scum in all his reads that reminds me a lot of how I played as scum with Vivax on my team in Nutcraker. Vivax upped his scum game a little from that game to this one, but if he was as absent in his scum QT as he was in Nutcracker I wholly believe his team would bus him. Vivax's role wasn't super great for scum so it's also not a huge loss. Couple other things that I noticed was this post I pinged out much earlier. On January 21 2016 23:41 disformation wrote: Uh. Yeah. Great. GB's filter is def. very unsexy as well. I also need to start making notes or something. I thought there were a few GB posts I liked. His filter has nuthin'. Which seemed odd kus Dis had talked about making notes already. This post is also interesting given Dis' later case on GB which was basically the same as what he says here. Then there was this post that looks like it has a solid chance of being a scum defense of Kita. On January 22 2016 02:03 disformation wrote: Okay Kita time. Well most of his filter so far is planning and setup/roles/number/mechanics stuff. So not too impressed. That being said a lot of his suggestions made kinda sense to me, so I am not sure why you are scumreading him for that. If I go ahead and say that all the setup/roles/number/mechanics stuff ared NAI his filter is not the most exciting, but TBH we have tons of ppl with a bad/empty/unexciting filters so far, so I'd prefer to lynch someone who didn't give a flower during the organization phase. So then there was this vivax thing. Agreeing on a scum read on a dude, after he has asked him a question and the answer was not great doesn't look wrong to me. The wording with the "first" may be a bit off, but I am not seeing how this makes kita like slamdunk scum. Maybe I missed something in his filter or Palmar's point cause tired as flower, but I don't think we should lynch kita based of these things. Like slightest townlean when compared to the dudes and dudettes who didn't even care about that organization part. Also:+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.uniqueeventadditions.co.uk/Waffle-Vegan-Mixes.jpg) Dis just seems so uncommital in this post vs his other reads. Decides the setup stuff is NAI and then agrees with Palmar but says he's not at all convinced, and even ends the whole thing saying he's townleaning Kita for caring about what he initially says was NAI (the setup/organization stuff). That's most of Dis's filter (pg 9 is basically the start of N1) and this post is balooning out (and taking a ton of time) so just gunna finish reading and will finish up with conclusions. Ah the stuff I was townreading Dis for was his reaction when he thinks I slipped by saying I was Roleblocked when I have no night actions. Just seemed really excited to have caught a scum slip which tbh could be from either alignment this game, ugh. I never did see Dis claim any of his saves, which is odd kus there is no downside to him claiming right? Especially when he came forward with his sanity checks on Holmes and Moriarty pretty freely, it's odd that he hasn't bothered to share who has has tried to save at night. So conclusions: I'm not totally sure Dis is scum here, but I think it is pretty darned likely. Like I said a lot earlier I've known Dis to agonize over his reads and go back and forth trying to weigh the town motivations and scum motivations. I see none of that here, I'm the closes person he's done that too and even then it never feels real. So yea Dis is probably scum, the only thing i had a real townread on him for now seems much more NAI as scum could be just as excited to think they found a scum slip as town in this setup. | ||
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If Rels is mafia he might have a chance to shoot me before I ever get through his huge filter. Gunna take a break. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:19 Koshi wrote: 1 cycle rb means you are not rb anymore next night Superbia. And the person you would have visited previous night is going to get rb next night, and if he visits somebody next night he will rb that person 2 nights from now. The vanilla virus is on me but will die after tonight. Pretty sure the virus part is not a real RB though, just nullifies roles. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:28 Onegu wrote: My son is in hospital now so... GG Sorry to hear that man, and yea GG. | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:58 Superbia wrote: Whatever happened to this and the scumread on me btw. I kind of liked the read since the argument is not wrong (though the conclusion is) but meh. 12 hours of work and the resulting lazyness happened. I'll get it done before EoN. | ||
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On January 29 2016 08:52 Keirathi wrote: Onegu: if I unvote you, you shoot me? I think I have to die if town wants to win because I'm useless and if I stay alive it just gets way harder closer to lylo. This post doesn't add up, you are far from useless if you bother to play (which you sorta aren't, mostly making excuses). You have a solid role so you keep using it... | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:00 GreYMisT wrote: [/b]Onegu, as Knight Artorias, the Abysswalker, was lynched! Score! Thank you for ignoring the WIFOM he pulled everyone. (I'll admit it was a tempting prospect even as I was catchup reading) GG and WP Onegu. Also this town rocks, lynching mafia day after day. | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:01 disformation wrote: I told you Onegu was scummy. Voting scum 3 days in a row. Still everyone thinks I am scum cause there are tow teams. FML: You really think anyone deserves credit for lynching a Redcheck? And if anyone gets credit for Onegu lynch it's SL and Me. I voted Onegu before SL forced the 1v1. But what if I'm just mafia from the other team? So stuff your cred where the sun don't shine. | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:15 Superbia wrote: I also want to discuss my plan. I think rels saving both me and koshi is correct. With disfo overlapping on one of us. TT should visit someone outside of myself or koshi to see if he can get a future roleblock (this is how it works, right?). Koshi just madhats whoever the fuck he wants bc he shouldn't die. I put KP on someone. Nope, not even in the slightest (well I'm assuming a little about how the Vanilla Virus works, kus I don't think it's a RB by itself.) First off my ability happens during the day I have no night actions. Second, GB's role reads "a 1 shot RB that passes a Vanilla virus to whomever your target was visiting" Pretty sure the RB is different from the Virus which nullifies Roles but wouldn't affect Mafia KP. So even if I could pass it I'm not sure I see any value in doing so. The virus ends tonight. I'm ok with the rest of this. | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:18 Palmar wrote: @Mafia: you're still meant to shoot each other. Yea fucking do some work this game, geez. | ||
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On January 29 2016 10:03 Koshi wrote: Damn. Worst role to get. I would really feel bad. Meh, I laid my own bed on that one. I shoulda taken Gambler though *shrug* I'll know to play nice early on in PYP games from now on. | ||
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Super I have mixed feelings about. I did get a chance to read a little of his filter (up to D1 I think) and it looked a lot more like what I remembered from our first game together. So my scumread on him has lessened somewhat, but I intend to finish that filter dive and post something more solid. Keir has been rubbing me the wrong way recently but I'd need to take a closer look. Now that we see Onegu flipped scum it's a bit interesting that his tracks have been tagging Onegu's bus targets, but that's pretty tinfoil. Copcake really only has the shoveling of GB as points in her favor and that doesn't account for much. I'm still pretty solid on Koshi and SL being town, and have warmed up to the idea of Palmar being town a lot more. Never lynching those 3. | ||
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I don't get why you would feel so helpless and useless as town when you haven't fully utilized your role and we have been lynching Mafia day after day. That mindset makes much more sense if you are mafia and realize that you aren't going to be able to fool us easily and can't be bothered to play against that uphill battle. | ||
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So sacrificing yourself over anyone you aren't sure about is super shit if you are town. | ||
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But since you asked... Onegu flipped scum. So, if we assume that I am scum, what was my goal with that post? Just to make myself look bad for no reason? To try to save Onegu's role? I'm sure that if you are scum it was an attempt to give yourself up since you are clearly unmotivated to play and make Onegu look much more town for having used his ability to kill you. Your role is shit for scum, his isn't. | ||
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Whoever doesn't die tonight. | ||
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Should take another look at him as well, just in case. | ||
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You once fought bravely against the torrent of the abyss, but since it corrupted you and your sword you have gained its powers. Despite your wishes, all you feel is the urge to consume this world with Dark. Each night, you may use the confusing powers of the dark abyss to replace one player with another, bussdriving them. any action that would target one player will instead target the other, and vice versa. You may not use this power to target yourself or knowingly bus a member of your own faction. So we know 100% that Koshi and Palmar are not mafia with Onegu. I also still really think it's interesting that Onegu bussed the correct targets both nights (and also that Keir watched them). It really suggests to me that they were taking pot shots at "obvious targets" while redirecting them to good town roles. It would also further explain why Keir asked to be killed, and is now worried that he looks mafia with Onegu. Kus all their night actions are way to on point to not be associated. I think I'll stop pursuing this association read for now though kus I might just be getting carried away. But I would like second opinions on it. It's actually almost bedtime for me anyways. | ||
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On January 29 2016 11:18 Koshi wrote: I don't see how that would ever happen tbh. If keir is mafia it is not with Onegu. One of these days I'm gunna make a crazy assed tinfoil theory that seems impossible but turns out to be pure gold. | ||
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Actually I think I tinfoiled pretty much everything you said already. Onegu was unable to target his own team with his bus ability though, I had the same thought but I just requoted the part of his role where it says that it's impossible on the last page. So Koshi is actually confirmed not mafia with Onegu. I do agree with the notion that Cake probably needs to die both for the real GB flip and the chance that she could be mafia lurking here. | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:18 Koshi wrote: Goddamn TickTock. Keep the dream alive. Shooting myself to avoid getting tracked is brilliant. I had almost a full day to live that dream before i realized the truth, I posted that same idea almost 2 days ago. | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:23 The Shining wrote: Ah hm good point. Yeah Onegu couldn't bus him then. But he did claim he'd save Koshi. I wonder if Onegu would have his own team shoot Koshi then bus it, then, makes a lot more sense. I still think there's something there with the Holmes track -> Kita nuke, though. Ehh, no I don't think so. Keir claimed to have tracked Koshi visiting me N1, which adds up kus Koshi RB'd me that night. Only way he'd know that is being mafia with Koshi or having actually tracked Koshi. You would also need to find solid evidence that Bre checked Kita, and then explain why FF and I think Dis verified that Bre got a green check which should be accurate kus even though Bre was insane Kita obv used his check wich also reversed check returns. So yea... Good luck with that. | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:30 Koshi wrote: Everything points towards a sl + onegu mafia team. Everything The "slip" conversation, the hesitation, the not killing each other with roles, the not wanting to point out why the other one was scummy during the duel, etc etc etc. Eh, maybe? I will admit it's wierd that Onegu never tried to push SL as scum to save himself, like that was the only way he'd actually have a chance to survive. Why would SL put himself in that position though? He had talked about doing that duel before, and had also thrown out the idea of dueling me. Unless he somehow thought he'd lose a duel with me why wouldn't he do that instead of with a scummate? | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:34 Keirathi wrote: Breshke couldn't have checked Kita. Breshke was insane, so checking Kita would have returned green. Kita used his ability, so the green check would have flipped back to red. Congrats, you correctly gleaned the meaning in my post. | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:43 Koshi wrote: Because he was pressured? Because he couldn't refuse it because he said around 500154 million times Onegu was mafia? It's sicklucker his only mafia read in his 25 pages of filter. Do you think SL would bus his team mate like that all game? Claim the check on his role? Constantly say the role is anti-town and needs to be delt with? And you think my tinfoil about keir being mafia with Onegu is impossible? | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:55 Koshi wrote: TT played so much scum lately I forgot if he is a good player. He was a pain in the ass in the game we lost with the spirits. In the next 2 games he wasn' a pain in the ass and was mafia. This game he isn't a pain in the ass. But still :/ Uhh I was town in Outlaw dude... You only played with me as scum in Nutcracker. | ||
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On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote: That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia. The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it??? Don't be salty that I was totally off about his teammates but still correctly lynched your scumbuddy. | ||
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On January 29 2016 13:11 Koshi wrote: For me there are only 4 options left for mafia and 2 really unlikely one. tt, disfo, cc, sl unlikely: keir, rels Why are Rels and Keir unlikely? I'm really loosing faith in my read in you the more you go on about "SL has to be scum with Onegu" and stuff like this post without giving any reasoning to back it up. | ||
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On January 29 2016 13:27 sicklucker wrote: I wonder if onegu lied about his night actions. He could have said he bussed a partner but I doubt it Only if Keir is lying about his watchs because he's been confirming Onegu's busses. Actually... That might very well be a thing. Something about Keir and Onegu both hitting the same targets 2 nights in a row unless they are on a tam feels off. Then the way Koshi brushed that off as impossible but keeps trying to find ways you could be scum without looking at anything else... It def might be a thing. | ||
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On January 29 2016 20:00 Palmar wrote: Palmar Koshi Superbia sicklucker Rels --------------------------- <--- Tryhard line Keirathi The Shining CopCake Tictock disformation It is of absolute greatest importance that the people below the tryhard line try their absolute hardest to prove their innocence and to find mafia. The reason is very simple. At this point in the game, if you get lynched as town you're a massive liability. DO NOT GET LYNCHED AS TOWN. We cannot afford mislynches this game, so please, please, don't despair or be shit, you have to tryhard. This is as BS as your activity meter thing from before. Why am I lower than Copcake? Also if SL is above that line and you claim you'd lynch Onegu everytime, why did your vote end up on SL yesturday? | ||
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On January 30 2016 02:25 Tictock wrote: Only if Keir is lying about his watchs because he's been confirming Onegu's busses. Actually... That might very well be a thing. Something about Keir and Onegu both hitting the same targets 2 nights in a row unless they are on a tam feels off. Then the way Koshi brushed that off as impossible but keeps trying to find ways you could be scum without looking at anything else... It def might be a thing. Ehh this would then imply that Koshi, Palmar, and Keir are mafia but all on the same team, with Onegu. Pretty sure that's impossible given how many scum have flipped and the Kita/FF Day clearly being mafia from different teams. If I drop Palmar out though I think things fit a lot better. But Keir and Koshi might be still, it would explain why Koshi keeps saying Keir is clearly town for no reason and shot down my tinfoil on him with no thought given, but keeps tinfoiling the hell out of SL being mafia. | ||
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On January 30 2016 02:47 Palmar wrote: Koshi is tonally and emotionally very, very unlikely to be mafia. If he is, he has taken his mafia game up several levels. It's completely unprecedented for him to play this way. I've never seen Koshi play as mafia. I do know as town he does a lot of over the top read switches and big bursts of emotion and such. Not sure why you'd assume he wouldn't try to fake those as mafia. | ||
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On January 29 2016 10:57 Tictock wrote: So yea, I think our next lynch is one of Dis or Keir at this point. Whoever doesn't die tonight. Gotta head out, might have a litle bit of time before EoN but not much. This is still more or less where I am at btw. Even if I'm less sure about Koshi now... | ||
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On January 30 2016 04:50 sicklucker wrote: Just ignore the dumb things tt says and embrace the smart things Pro-Tip. lol And Koshi I will never stop tinfoiling, it's like the only part of these games I actually have lots of fun with. | ||
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I had narrowed down my list to Rels, Dis, and Onegu and started thinking about the tinfoil stuff with Onegu. Put my vote on him kus he was the more interesting of the 3 to put pressure on imo. But with any luck I get shot tonight (though if Super shoots me I will be salty) and I won't have to deal with these kinds of shitty reads on me. | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:13 GreYMisT wrote: Disformation, as Dr. John Watson, was Killed! Koshi, as Werner von Braun, was Killed! Keirathi, as Dr. House, was Killed! Thats a great way to end my tinfoil. Also good shot Super, good to verify my main scumread D1 was correct. Sorry I got shit going on tonight, but I'll be active tomorrow. | ||
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It is in fact a Roleblocking effect. Was surprised when I saw the notification. | ||
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These posts are in order. On January 30 2016 22:47 Palmar wrote: See this is not necessary, really. I have no tonal reason to think she's mafia. Although of course her activity points towards it. The point is, if GB was mafia and we hit mafia today, KP should go down to 1. If it remains 2, GB was town. So the best course of action, even for information, is to find mafia and lynch it. Tonight we had 2 kp, so that means the 4(5) mafia who flipped were not 4 on the same team. The most likely option of flipped mafia (right now) is: Vivax Disfo Kita Onegu FF (GB??) This means no matter which team we kill mafia from, kp should go down to 1 and we should be in splendid shape. In any case, I really, really think Keirathi's case on Tictock was actually quite good. I am going to sheep it today and kill TT. On January 31 2016 02:50 Rels wrote: TT is my preferred lynch as well. What did you think of my post on him ? I only skimmed what keir said yesterday, will read that. On January 31 2016 02:55 Rels wrote: OK that is super good and probably the reason he died. Let's murder TT. ##Vote Tictock First Rels says Keir's case was really good, then says he only skimmed it, then quotes it going "Oh yea this is good, lets sheep that" Also this: On January 31 2016 03:02 Rels wrote: OK so copcake couldn't be a KP carrier yesterday. TT has to be the one that killed keir. Why does Keir saying he's gunna track Copcake imply that she wasn't carrying KP? The post from Keir was his last post before he dies btw. I really don't understand wtf Rels is thinking here. Also I am confirmed not capable of delivering KP last night due to the Vanilla virus as I stated here. On January 30 2016 13:54 Tictock wrote: Huh, apparently I was wrong about the Vanilla Virus. It is in fact a Roleblocking effect. Was surprised when I saw the notification. Normally Rels is all about fact checking, if he thinks that post from Keir somehow means that I had to have delivered KP last night, why didn't he bother checking that my claim that I was RB'd by the Virus checks out? Both of these things look like Rels is just tagging along with the lynch on me and not bothering to look at the possibility that I could be town. Pretty happy to put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: Rels | ||
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8. Tictock 12. Superbia 15. The Shining 17. sicklucker 21. CopCake 22. Palmar Yea I'm pretty sure CopCake and Rels are the only 2 people here I'd really want to lynch today. I did go through Superbia's filter and rather liked what I saw. His early game is much more like what I expected and he both shot mafia and is a good role to keep around. | ||
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On January 30 2016 06:12 Keirathi wrote: So, before the deadline, someone talk with my about Tictock. He's probably scum because: 1) Slip His phrasing there implies TMI. 2) Weird read progression on Onegu I already said what was wrong with this here, and here in that chain of quotes. 3) This post: I had already said that stuff yesterday, and was just repeating it again having a conversation with koshi. Why didn't he have a problem with it THEN, but does NOW? And I obviously wasn't acting 'salty', so what was the point of jabbing at me like that? + Show Spoiler [SPECULATION AREA, STAY AWAY] + So, because of the slip and the way his reads on Kita/Vivax changed (he had Kita as scum all the way through draft phase and day 1, then mysteriously after koshi launched his nuke, Kita was in his town reads, for Vivax during day 1 he started calling Vivax scum a few times, but didn't vote for him until the wagon was basically unstoppable), I think it's fairly likely that he is on a team with them. Which leads me to believe FF and Onegu were on the other team. So: kita/vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/??/?? I think that probably puts disfo on the FF/Onegu team. Them having Watson and Moriarty would give them a good position to lie about any of FF's checks (by claiming FF was insane, whether he was or not. FF could just do whatever and always had an excuse to never have a useful result), and let disfo try to keep them alive at night. Still trying to work out who the last two would be. GB/Cake seem almost too easy. I suppose I have to respond to this "really good, solid case" Keir made about me since everyone is bringing it up. 1) This is stuipd. You all are Palmar makes a solid case on 2 mafia and I say I'm not 100% sold on him being town off it kus it's possible they were on the same team and he's on the other team. How is this TMI? 2) I already explained how I went from saying Rels, Dis, and Onegu are the people I'm considering lynching to putting a vote on Onegu. And so far I'm 2/3 on that as well btw. 3) Keir just kept bitching about my Onegu read being weird and off, so I called him salty for it kus it's really the only thing he's thinking makes me scum. I really don't see a case here. What am I mafia with Onegu and that's why my "odd" read and vote on him proves I'm scum? | ||
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Anyone can easily see the same 3 posts in the order that I posted them, I posted my fact check. Get recked. | ||
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On January 30 2016 22:47 Palmar wrote: See this is not necessary, really. I have no tonal reason to think she's mafia. Although of course her activity points towards it. The point is, if GB was mafia and we hit mafia today, KP should go down to 1. If it remains 2, GB was town. So the best course of action, even for information, is to find mafia and lynch it. Tonight we had 2 kp, so that means the 4(5) mafia who flipped were not 4 on the same team. The most likely option of flipped mafia (right now) is: Vivax Disfo Kita Onegu FF (GB??) This means no matter which team we kill mafia from, kp should go down to 1 and we should be in splendid shape. In any case, I really, really think Keirathi's case on Tictock was actually quite good. I am going to sheep it today and kill TT. Oh Rip me. Was thinking this post was from you Rels kus of the quote right at top. Guess I need to wake up more. | ||
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Blazinghand (New - TL Mafia Ban List) You are Blazinghand, The Chosen, Wielder of the Sacred List, and He Who Guides The Newbie. Twice per game during the day phase (ability activates after the end of day), you may recommend that a player be banned. Unfortunately, you took over the banlist in the shadow of the Great GMarshal, He Who Sees All Things And Wields The Mighty Hammer, and your power is not absolute. The player you targeted may choose to either take a 'warning' (and be roleblocked for the following night phase and the following day phase) or 'sitout a game' (that player's vote during the following day phase is not counted). If the player chooses neither (either out of choice or because they are roleblocked) they will be BANNED. A banned player will have their vote stolen and added to your voting power for the following day. Which is pretty meh, but should at least a bit more info tomorrow. If the Banned person has a vote tomorrow you know they took the RB. Maybe would be good on someone like Palmar, Shinging, or Cake since they should have no role related things to do, so unless they are mafia can take a RB, which can be verified the next day. | ||
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It's a really odd role. | ||
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I focused on associative reads here because Rels is a strong team player who, especially in a game like this, would do his best to ensure his team has a solid chance at winning the game. Also these were the posts that stood out the most to me when reading through his filter. Sorry if it's kinda rambling, I was adding and moving stuff around as I read, tried to clean it up a little. This stuck out to me. It's a weird question and reaction Rels posed to Disformation, why was he worried about Dis not reading the thread and what does he conclude about him reading it? It's NAI information. On January 21 2016 06:05 Rels wrote: OK good p: checking if you really read the thread Yep I still think Breshke is scum ***Note to check Rel's Follow up reads on Dis*** On January 21 2016 21:57 Rels wrote: disfo gonna filter Alot Onegu and Vivax wanna do this with me ? Again, this friendly "Come do stuff with me" tone from Rels towards Dis. I may have passed it over but I didn't see any solid reasons for Rels to TR Dis. This later on read looks more legit: disformation => He helped town a lot before the picking phase deadline to make sure nobody overlapped. In particualr, he was concerned town got invesgative roles, which scum wouldn't like. He was OK taking doc which is a terrible role for scum. Finally, the excitement when he thought he found a scumslip with TT's RB claim was super townie. All's fair in filter dives, some cred to Rels for this post D1. Suggesting 2 scum lynches right off. Also interesting to note for associations. On January 21 2016 20:57 Rels wrote: Gonna grab some lunch, then I will see who I want to lynch today. Having so much info only 12 hours into the day is soooo cool! Before filtering, I would lynch Vivax, Onegu (for both: kinda useless during the first phases, didn't cooperate during the number pick phase, didn't cooperate during the role pick phase and we don't know what they picked) and AlotSomuch (useless but trying to be nice). We'll see if that changes after I read their filters. (= This hard townread on Kita kinda comes out of nowhere. On January 21 2016 22:21 Rels wrote: Palmar, kita is never mafia with the amount of organizing he's done (tier list + completing your plan). And if he is, he's getting killed anyway. Will read Vivax filter then see what you wrote. I pinged out that last post much earlier in the game, I still really hate it. Especially with Kita having flipped scum. It's way too flippant, Rel's hasn't posted anything that would warrant a TR so strong he should be dismissing stuff like this if he is town. Then this whole exchange happened. On January 23 2016 07:35 Rels wrote: Did you scumread kita when you said his list was cool ? On January 23 2016 07:53 Rels wrote: Cause I think kita is town and I don't think these points make kita scum. Apparently you did too, since you nullread him after that; if you don't think these points make kita scum, why do that matter to you ? On January 23 2016 07:53 Rels wrote: Cause I think kita is town and I don't think these points make kita scum. Apparently you did too, since you nullread him after that; if you don't think these points make kita scum, why do that matter to you ? The whole thing just feels so agressive and overblown, like he wants me to back off that point due to being unsure on Kita myself. Never in this entire exchange (either with me or Palmar) does Rels ever try to explain his TR on Kita beyond "He helped organize things". Oh and this in a large list post. kita => )= I got up to pg 19 in Rels filter but I'm pretty sure I'm not focusing very well anymore so I'm gunna stop there. | ||
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I made a response, so yell at me about that. Read my filter and tell me why I'm scum. Or maybe someone is actually good enough to figure out that it's really unlikely I'm scum? Right now this is a sad excuse for a day given that we've got a fair bit of info because of the RB's on SL and me and the Watch/RB on Cake. | ||
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About the only thing that I found a little off was his shot on Alot, but that's probably just because I just disagreed that Alot seemed scummy at all this game. | ||
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6. GlowingBear, as Kenpachi, was Dug an Early Grave Day 3! But since nobody is willing to talk to me and just voting me anyways, I'm out. | ||
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On January 30 2016 13:54 Tictock wrote: Huh, apparently I was wrong about the Vanilla Virus. It is in fact a Roleblocking effect. Was surprised when I saw the notification. | ||
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If nothing else hopefully Super shoots one of those 2 if you guys lynch me. I'm also sticking with my initial target for the Ban, I'll announce it near EoD if I can step off the floor for a sec at work. | ||
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I think he's town. Why do you guys think he's mafia? Ban player either takes the RB or they have no vote tomorrow, one or the other has to happen. | ||
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I get no notification back from the action, we'll be able to verify if TS took the RB by him being able to vote tomorrow. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:55 Rels wrote: Of course 5 minutes before deadline. Don't let this guy live I said I'b be trying to take a break about this time. Not my fualt nobody wanted to talk about shit till last few hours of the day. | ||
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GG rels. God reads from me D3 apparently. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:00 Superbia wrote: Also real? GB maybe confirmed scum then? Looks legit to me, if we only see on KP hen we are golden. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:01 sicklucker wrote: Rels is such a good scum player tho. I remembered this and thats the only reason i didnt waver He's always a player who you need to tinfoil a little kus of it. I'd like to think I did a good job pointing out solid associations from him though. Somethng just felt off about how he was reading some people as town but not others. That was why I never felt ok TRing him. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: yeah that, and unlike you or koshi I had gotten weird feelings from him throughout the game, but never enough to act on it. I said at some point he might be mafia. I am almost 100% certain this is a mafia team: Vivax Kita Rels Disfo Possible, Rels and Dis were both pretty adiment about lynching Vivax, and while my gut tells me Rels would preffer not to bus his own team, Vivax is the person to bus for cred (he really hates playing as scum). Yea, probably pretty apot on there actually. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:10 Palmar wrote: btw we can't do the kp analysis anymore so we're really back to just scumhunting. disfo and rels might have been on opposite teams so they could've been the carriers of kp last night, meaning that all the roleblocked people are back on the menu. I really doubt that given the interactions I pointed out between Rels and Damdred. Also how mad would you have been if I left my Ban on you Palmar? | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:20 sicklucker wrote: Super I think the shot is ticktock to hedge bets tho, Im trying to think of who would still try in this spot as mafia and his name comes to mind. IT sucks because hes done townie things but its easy to fake townie when your really scum hunting Yea, I would do this as scum. I understand a shot on me tonight. I'd obv prffer to see Cake and GB's flips but I'm satisfied with where we are at in this game. I think you guys can afford to loose me and work out the rest from there. | ||
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On February 01 2016 13:16 CopCake wrote: Also just think of this I know I am town What if when I die you find out GB was town too? You either get two less town or find out one mafia gb and town cake. I This feels odd coming from someone who is basically not playing the game. She even told us the only reason she was around near deadline was to play dota with rayn. I know I'm dying to find out what GB's alignment was, so why isn't Cake? Sorry bad joke, but do you get what I mean? Even if GB was town that is great for us to know. And actually in the off chance of GB being town, it would make it super likely that Cake is mafia. + Show Spoiler [Tinfoil] + It's weak but I noticed Rels making posts earlier on that had a similar tone to those I found about Kita and Dis. His attitude about her changed in the past day or two, but notice even when he was pushing his "Koshi hatter'd Keir" stuff he never considered CC a target and it was always me 100%. Cake's vote also being an outlier this late in the game, and when she was around (even if she wasn't here for EoD, she was posting) decided to keep her vote on me for no reason. Thinking it's super likely that Rels last post was WIFOM and that Cake was mafia with him. | ||
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Looks like a snow storm is canceling my 2nd job today so I'll be able to put together an EoN post. | ||
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Should be a good one. | ||
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Not like it matters at this point with ~ an hour to go. | ||
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Slim chance Super shoots me instead (if he does he is 100% scum, like forcing town to consider using a lynch on Cake one more day is such a mafia move it's not even funny) but I'm fairly sure Shining dies due to my Ban on him. After Cake I think Palmar and Suber as most likely to be scum. Maybe I'm way off on TS and SL, but I don't think so. Between them Palmar has done a ton of work in catching scum, it's really unlikely that he is scum and if he is he's played this very well. Basically this leaves me looking at Super. I took another look at his filter from D1 onward, wanted to be a bit more thorough and also look for possible associations. I think there is a strong chance Super was with FF. FF was one of the few people I actually fins Super talking about having a strong TR on, but it feels pretty flimsy. He flipped as soon as the check was reveled but he also tried to start shenannies EoD onto me. Really odd move given how the day had been, also it's odd how sure Super has been on me being scum all game but has never given any reasoning to push it. For reference I put all the posts related to FF I could find together, sorry if they are jumbled. Nothing really stands out, but together it looks far more like Super is coaxing FF to post and play then gives him an unexplained townread. + Show Spoiler [Super's Posts on FF] + On January 20 2016 02:02 Superbia wrote: FF post some more. On January 20 2016 06:24 Superbia wrote: What do you feel your chances are this game FF? On January 20 2016 06:29 Superbia wrote: Mind sharing the knowledge VA? Or do you want to keep it a secret for now? Also any reads so far FF? What do you think about my alignment? On January 20 2016 09:35 Superbia wrote: I like this list a lot. I think you can remove FF though. Not entirely sure yet. On January 22 2016 09:19 Superbia wrote: Wow FF with the actual logic bomb. Nice. On January 22 2016 02:29 Superbia wrote: Yeah FF got moriarty confirmed then. But I already had a decent townread on him so meh. Then after seeing the Redcheck On January 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: Super tired. FF actually being mafia is the most messed up thing. Godread = no more. Probably the biggest thing here is Super's EoD reactions before FF and Kita flip, it makes very little sense why he is suddenly wanting to shenannigan onto me. Unless of course it was a last ditch move to try and save FF. From a town perspective it makes no sense, you've either decided to trust and lynch the redcheck at that point, or you've explained why FF is town or Kita is scum (or both). Super did none of those things, he accepted the redcheck (just said "oops, guess my read on FF was bad") and doesn't bring doubts up till EoD. I'm also noticing that Super was really focused on people not claiming D1 and in general had really been focused on mechanics and roles. So it's really wierd that I'm not finding any mention of Onegu in his filter. No reaction to Onegu's late claim/role. He shot VA for having an Anti-town role but then N2 Super tries to shoot me over Onegu for reasons? Why did he care so much about VA's role being anti town, but give literally no shits that Onegu took his role and wasted Alot's role by not claiming. This is the only post I found where Super talks about Onegu's alignment. On January 24 2016 09:05 Superbia wrote: Onegu is a mystery to me tbh. I also pointed out earlier how uninterested Super seemed when the lynch was Onegu vs SL, he jumped right into talking about night actions but nothing about lynches besides some stuff that suggests he preferred not to lynch Onegu. Which looks really off given he never gave a read on Onegu or really talked about him after asking him to claim D1. On January 28 2016 09:24 Superbia wrote: God damnit. We should've had onegu kill off disformation with his ability and then lynched onegu. We could've forced keir to house diagnostics rels with only KP being able to interfere. This is not really strong, but this post jumped out at me. On January 28 2016 09:07 Superbia wrote: Nah man. Use the resources you have. :D I have caught 100% mafia the same way. I'm pretty sure from kita's filter alone that Vivax was likely with FF (opposite of Kita). Also leaning towards GB being a hit and on Kita's team. The bit about GB is really wierd, how is there any indication as to who's team GB was on? I think this is actually a slip. The only reason why Super could have any inclination about GB being on one team over the other is if Super is in fact mafia with FF and Vivax (and Onegu), it makes sense given the stuff I noticed between Super and FF as well. Biggest thing is that don't give anyone a pass for no reason from now on. If I die tonight, please don't ignore this post, so far my reads have been pretty on point. If I live then pick this argument apart, tell me why Super is town. If you think I'm scum tell me why. I think this game is solved. Rels/Dis/Kita/Cake vs Vivax/FF/Onegu/Super And yes this means I think GB is gunna flip town. | ||
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On February 02 2016 08:11 Half the Sky wrote: [center]Copcake, as the Shovel Knight, was nightkilled! Palmar, as the Arrow, was nightkilled! The body of GlowingBear, as Kenpachi, was exhumed from the grave, an innocent man. Nailed this so far. Interesting Palmar got shot though. ##Vote: Superbia Just to check things though Shining can verify that you took an RB? Lynch has to be between you and Super today. I think my associations have merit and 100% one team was Rels/Dis/Kita/Cake. So who was mafia with FF/Vivax/Onegu? My money is on Super. | ||
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In this game, there will be 2 Mafia Teams of 4 players each. A mafia team wins when they outnumber the town players AND the other mafia team has been eliminated. The town wins when both mafia teams have been eliminated. Each mafia team has 2 kp on the first night. After that both teams will have 1KP per night. Each mafia team must choose a member of their team to carry out the KP. That player is still able to use any other action they might have. Mafia KP is an action and can be roleblocked. I thought it said they could, but it just doesn't say they must use their KP. | ||
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On February 02 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote: Either that or the shining is mafia and you're literally dumb enough to make a huge pre-flip post assuming your roleblock on the shining had no merits. I can confirm this. | ||
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I really did pick up on some strong associative stuff between Super/FF/Onegu though. Idk sent a PM to confirm if mafia can no shoot or not. Obv if mafia has to shoot it's TS, but why is he bothering then? | ||
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On February 02 2016 08:30 Superbia wrote: No, mafia can no-shoot. Then I'm like 99% sure you are the last mafia. | ||
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On February 02 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote: Alternatively it could've been 4v2 yesterday. Possible, I'll admit. Even if I don't believe it atm, my associations got me Rels and Cake. Anyways I'll give you guys time to process my big post, and see reactions from SL and TS. | ||
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On February 02 2016 09:02 Superbia wrote: You do realize there is like 48 hours left before this game ends for all kinds of feelings to change. Oh and not to mention that the only way for mafia to win is to either miss-lynch me or SL or sleep. There is a lot of stuff comeing from you that doesn't add up, this post especially. Why is SL or you the only options for Mafia? Who do you even think is mafia right now? You are pushing this option to sleep, which is terribad if you are scum kus you just KP and Shoot and win. It's really not making sense to me how you are looking at this game right now if you are town. | ||
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Kus you just want us to have this idea that as long as you are alive town has a chance to win or draw. I see a mislynch today as a lose, and that's why I want us to lynch scum today. Kapish? Course since you are scum you'd rather try to play nice today rather that unleash the hell that scum deserves this game. How much does it suck that Town had to find all the good shots for ya Super? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Pffft I don't even wanna post why. His reads are all on point in those 3 pages, and he's doing towny shit throughout. Seriously read his filter and tell me why he's scum if you don't agree with me (looking at you SL). So Super you'd better have a good case to get everyone else to vote me. I'll look at SL's filter later on just in case, but I'm probably never moving my vote. | ||
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And rather than try and scumhunt today you just want us to do that. 3v1 Now 2v1 ML Scum KP -> Win* *50/50 Chance Super (if town) shoots correctly and is Last man standing. Joke of an Endgame. Especially when you consider Super had to be told to shoot Dis over me and I totally take credit for showing that Cake was gunna flip mafia and had to be Super's shot last night. Also remember he was scumreading me pretty hard last phase, even said he might shot me still. Where has that read gone? Cake flipped Scum, so now Super knows he's the last one, that's where. | ||
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Why are the teams I suggested not possible? Rels/Dis/Kita/Cake vs Vivax/FF/Onegu/Super | ||
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On February 02 2016 10:45 Superbia wrote: Yes. And if I was mafia with rels I always jump on palmar's proposed switch to the shining because I have a super high chance of getting killed in the night by the other mafia. So I would keep rels around to save me. ALSO: I was literally the person who came up with the logic that there is always a mafia between palmar, rels, myself, and the shining. And I excluded palmar from that list. To be fair I wanted to go on the shining but there is no way I put pressure on both myself and rels in that situation. Pretty sure that was Palmar tbh, but w.e So this means you think TS is the last scum? | ||
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On February 02 2016 10:47 sicklucker wrote: I sapose they are. rels did say "i have no idea who the last mafia is" suggesting he was on the team of 2 with copcake. which means super could have used the mafia kp on copcake... If you haven't already, you should read my associative cases on Rels, Cake, and Super. And you should explain why Shining is mafia. | ||
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On February 02 2016 10:48 Superbia wrote: I have no fucking idea why I lived over palmar. Yes, there should've been 2 kp last night. The shining took TT's roleblock so: - There's a team of 2 (copcake +1). - The shining couldn't deliver KP. - Mafia stacked on Palmar. One of these is true. *Cough* Or mafia No shot Kus that's important, we even talked about that one. Remember Super? | ||
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On February 02 2016 11:26 Superbia wrote: I'm going to sleep. I was making a post to prove your point wrong SL, but I really can't be bothered at this time in the night anymore. My logic is actually deteriorating as I post. I'm not sure if this is 100% correct anymore, I'm pretty sure it is though. Basically it boils down to us having to sleep with me putting a KP on the shining if there's 1 kp (my cpr) during last night. Which would be super bad for mafia (especially if it's me, due to the fact that I have to to survive mafia kp that night as well) because town gets a free the shining lynch. So mafia would have to take a huge risk during the night no-shooting. Lets just assume I'm right for a second and look at last night if Super and Cake are mafia from differen't teams. In this case Mafia has 3 KP when it is 4v2. Super with 2 KP and Cake with one. Cake knows it's 50/50 chnace that she gets shot by Super over me (actually after my post on Cake last night it should have been fairly obviuse Cake was the only correct shot) but knows it's prob over, she likely decided to put KP out there. Which actually in this case it seems like Cake would have shot Super over Palmar. So either Cake decided Palmar was worth the longshot or she didn't bother to submit KP. Super as mafia would def be trying his best to hit the remianing mafia. I think Cake is aruably the only real shot he can make so thats kinda locked in. Now in the off chance Cake is not mafia Super would prob not hold his KP just to make sure he hit the other mafia team, unless Super was almost positive that Cake is mafia. Then Super can either take out another town or, and here is where it gets interesting, hold his shot. Why hold his shot here? Well he knows Cake will be be shooting almost 100% of the time and unless she hits him both of them shooting, and a total of 3 KP going out, means it's final 3 today. So yes, Super holding his shot in that situation is benifitial due to 1) keeping one extra person in lylo to discuss 2) promoting WIFOM that either Cake was with the final mafia or that TS took the RB and lost a shot. I'm rather sold this is the world due to the fact that I strongly feel that one team was Rels/Dis/Kita/Cake which means the final mafia is from team Vivax/Onegu/FF, which Super fits into rather nicely. Now lets look at if I'm wrong and the teams are something like Rels/Dis/Kita/Vivax vs Onegu/Cake/FF/??? In this world there was only one mafia KP last night and they picked Palmar to kill even though Super said he was shooting Cake or me. In this case why does scum not Kill Super with no saves left on the table? Also in this world, from Super's point of view, final mafia has to be me right? TS was RB'd and Super seem pretty convinced that SL is town, so in this world to Super I am 100% mafia here, or he doesn't think Shining actually took the RB. But even though Super is argueing that this is the world we live in he is not reaching this conclusion. He thinks TS or I are mafia but doesn't really care who kus he "has auto" if he were town living in this world he should be wanting to verify that TS got RB'd, and then it should be easy for him to conclude that I must be scum with Cake. So the conclusion here is that either Super is mafia or if he is town I should be basically confirmed mafia to him. Thus I think we have to lynch either Super or myself today. + Show Spoiler + Tried to put this down in words before and I didn't think it made any sense. Hopefully after some sleep I was able to be coherent. | ||
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The day you 1v1d Onegu Super never weighed in on the lynch. Both of which strike me as really odd since Super was admiment about killing VA for having an anti- town role, but doesn't care at all that Onegu had his role, or they way he claimed that role and wasted Alot's? Instead of even considering Onegu, super tried to shoot me, and GB made one of the best plays of the game by saving me via RBing Super. He's also brought up shooting me every night since, and only today does he drop that scumread on me. | ||
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I've actually never opened your filter this game SL. I wonder if I've actually gotten that good at reading you or if I'm fooling myself about what you would do as scum. | ||
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There is always the chance that I'm off the mark here still. Even at this stage of the game there is a ton of moving pieces and I'm sure I'm missing or not properly accounting for something. The only thing that worries me a little is that I've been fairly adamant about TRing SL and TS and if I've been wrong one of you could be trying to take advantage of that. Still though I really think Kita/Rels/Dis/Cake was a team, and I have fairly good reasons to think SL and TS were not on a team with Onegu while having some evidence of associations between Super and FF/Onegu. I'm also not sure why nobody shot Super if he is town. | ||
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On February 02 2016 20:27 sicklucker wrote: who cares your not voting me... convince me I care, and wtf do you think I've been doing all day? | ||
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CPR Doctor (Pick your Power 3) BE CAREFUL WITH THAT THING! If the person you are protecting gets attacked then you save them as normal. However if they aren't attacked that night you end up killing them. You can not target yourself at night. ”Shock advised. Charging. Do not touch the Victim” - Automated External Defibrillator (AED) If town this role means you should have 50/50 shot at a save or townkill tonight. -1 Town from current pool | ||
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On February 02 2016 23:32 sicklucker wrote: Shining was very against shooting onegu over alot. He did claim his shot which a mafia might be afraid to do but whos really gonna stop it? Shining cant be killed because his shot still goes off if alots on the other mafia. and getting roleblocked is kind of a scum claim for alot. Anyway Drifting off gonna nap I'm not sure why you say this. It looks to me TS was mostly looking at shooting Cake or Alot and did at one point consider shooting Onegu. Before I get into that, here was a post that I doubt scum would make early on. On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote: The SL read was based heavily on me being annoyed and upset at him suggesting me as a plynch when he knows from past games that I have little to no activity on Monday Tuesday, plus calling me useless when I'm far from the worst town player on TL. I also have a 95% town roll rate so plynching me at any point is going to flip me town 9.5 out of 10 times. But I admit that it was a bit omgus and decided to leave it at that for now. Since then, he's made a few posts about wanting town to work together and there's a slight town feel from some of them so I'm off of him. As for sheeping Palmars list, I just said it didn't look bad outside of kita and ceph because none of the people on that list scream town to me. And I don't necessarily believe the list in that order, either. You - no one bumped you from 1,1 which I expected scum would do if you're a good town player unless you're actually scum. And although I liked your catch on Palmar re: agreeing with Damdreds list that had you as top town, I found it weird that you scummed Damdred afterwards. Like if he's scum, why would Palmar agreeing with his list matter unless they're scum together? Vivax - he isn't cooperating with anyone and OMGUSd kita and Palmar, which just looked really weird. He also did some complaining about the setup and said its just a matter of which scum team wins so why even sign up? He seems pretty bitter for absolutely no reason. There's also literally no clue to what role he picked, which could mean he took a Mafia favored role. GB - so apathetic and clueless to pretty much everything going on in the game which just feels really off. Most if not all of the answers to his questions are in the OP, which he either didn't read or wants to make us think he didn't read. I can't see any towniness in any of those posts. Onegu - he's just a big question mark but his wanting to defy everyone and bring someone down with him felt weird. I am probably also a little biased becuz the last time he posted something that wasn't text(that pic), he was scum. And he's tried to appeal to Palmar more than once about carrying him as scum last game and asking what the problem is, as if he's trying to buddy him or win him over. Disfo - this is probably the weakest one but checking his filter the first half were just pregame questions and the second half was a ton of setup talk. He has more than one post saying he's catching up and asking for direction(any hot topics to discuss?) The things I did like from him was his willingness to discuss and claim his role and his wanting to cooperate. He also dropped a preliminary reads list which didn't look particularly scummy. I'm pretty waffly on this one. TT - I didn't like his "I probably won't put much effort into this one" post because it just feels like a reason to afk or not care later. And the last time he did that, he got lynched as blue and said he wouldn't do it again so I'm not sure why he's choosing to do it here. I also didn't like his reasoning for blocking Disfo. I have them both as possible scum, but they could very well be different teams. He also had a change in tone from "I won't put much effort into this one" to "I'll probably be invested d1-d2." I don't see how that's townie. Alotsomuch - no reads or really much of anything. Got directed into a role, claimed he got it and fucked off again. I didn't even realize Alot was playing until I saw this list, which was a red flag. Makes it pretty unlikely that TS is mafia with any one Onegu/Dis/Vivax (less so on Vivax, everyone put him up early on it seems), and this is basically the proposed team you guys have put him on. He also encouraged Palmar to use his shot on, which I'm not sure mafia would be so keen to do. Bit weak though. On January 23 2016 10:24 The Shining wrote: Palmar if you're so adamant about some of your scumreads(Kita, Damdred) and you're afraid of dying tonight, why haven't you put your money where your mouth is and Arrowd someone? Back to the business of his shot. On January 24 2016 06:01 The Shining wrote: Snow. Snow everywhere. I hate NYC and I'll Copcake originally was my shot because she wouldn't claim and wasn't doing anything that made sense to me. But her claiming shovel knight made me question it. Especially if she's willing to let town direct her shovel kill. I also toyed with the idea of shooting her anyway, forcing her to use the shovel next day phase since her kill won't flip alignment until she does, to give us the most info out of the kills. But then she'd probably shovel me out of spite, which wouldn't help town at all. So Idk. Im also considering shooting AlotSomuch. He's done a whole bunch of nothing and keeps claiming he'll use the kitaman role to confirm whether or not Artorias is in the game and who has him. But there's no scum hunting and no urgency to do anything in his filter. And again my shot won't flip until the D3 daypost. So he'd still be around to claim his search results tomorrow. If he lies, let the shot go through. And there is always the chance Artorias isn't in the game, which means Alot would get that role power for the following night. I am at a crossroads. On January 24 2016 06:54 The Shining wrote: Somewhere between TRing Koshi for a dumbtell, telling Koshi to nuke SL and telling Koshi he'd protect him, this post happened. And this was right before he had those weird questions about lynching Vivax bcuz of being scared we'd give him a shot, then asking if someone didn't believe the Lemming claim, kind of like he knew he was Lemming. Why would you want to lynch a TR that you're now willing to protect? I could shoot Onegu. On January 24 2016 06:59 The Shining wrote: Look! I summoned an Onegu! Apparently not, I had that issue last game, too. Jokes are too OP for me. Why would you protect/TR a Koshi that's blatantly doing nothing and admitting it, and not playing pro town? Are you only TRing him off of one dumbtell? This doesn't look like someone "very against" shooting Onegu to me. | ||
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On January 25 2016 06:46 The Shining wrote: Nah. If kita flips town, we waste time having to wait until tomorrow to lynch FF. Who would you lynch instead? & if he flips scum, there's a good chance FF flips scum, too, as opposite team member. So 2 scum kills instead of one. There is NO way they're both town, so it's a 1-1 at worst or 2 scum at best. This also makes it pretty unlikely that Shining was mafia with FF. | ||
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On January 26 2016 08:55 The Shining wrote: Spybot - Receive targets full role PM including any hidden details regarding their role (Teammates will not be included). Frame every other player in the game. Wait how did it come back as alignment anyway? If you got the full Role PM, it shouldn't mention alignment, just the role. | ||
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On February 03 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote: Tictock why do you think Rels and disfo were on the same team? Read my filter. It was in my "case" on Rels. | ||
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If I was scum I'd just jump on TS with you guys and ride the win. Besides you have basically told me that you don't care kus you can shoot into the people you aren't convinced are town right now right? Which from my PoV means you want me to lynch TS so you can shoot me tonight... | ||
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On February 03 2016 06:37 Superbia wrote: The fact that you are not suspicious of anyone but me is mindboggling. I simply cannot believe you're town if you're hard defending question marks in mylo for the only reason that you have a scum-read on me. Mylo town-set doesn't work like that. And I'm supposed to believe that you are town because your role gives you a chance at shooting scum? I'm supposed to be ok with your super flippant TR on SL and that all the shit I've done today only makes you think I'm scum? Yet you prefer to lynch TS still for ... what reasons now exactly? | ||
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Nobody can give me reasons why TS is mafia, Nobody cares to explain their Townreads. You are calling me scum for backing up my read on TS. TS at least gave a decent reason why he TRs me and is willing to sheep, but has otherwise not really done much today and is just letting his vote hang out there. | ||
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Sometimes I make the ideas wait at the station, but the train goes on! ![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f8/f88e1e4b8b913c64c49142ca4293619bd263892a4c3fcee46acda49c8b4555ec.jpg) | ||
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Well... debatable. But my point is that I can usually make the right call. | ||
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On February 03 2016 07:28 sicklucker wrote: Who ever is mafia between shining/ticktock has acualy mafia motivation to lynch super over anyone else... Oh shit! How much do you trust me SL? | ||
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On February 03 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote: Meh. I just thought of something. Sleeping here would acualy prove Ticktock and me are town. Becuase both a mafai shining and super would have to hold their shot. Shining would have to do it because hes "rbed" and super would do it to keep shining in the lynch pool I think? The probelnm is we cant trust shinings vote because if s mafia he might not have a vote? screw this game I agree with'cha brother! Fight the power! | ||
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On February 03 2016 08:00 Superbia wrote: Yes. But if TT pushes over the shining I would shoot him. If I'm mafia why not vote me today? If you are voting mafia right now, why are you suddenly scared that I might join that vote? This is why I have a hard time seeing you as town. You have a chance to win RIGHT NOW as town, but you don't care kus you 100% win tonight if you are mafia. | ||
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I still never heard him explain why he TR's you SL, he dodged the question. I just don't trust he has real reads on people right now. | ||
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On February 03 2016 08:44 Superbia wrote: I'm just literally baiting out to see what his read on you is. You don't think it's suspicious at all that he's hard reading you town in MYLO after deciding YOU were the one who had to be roleblocked JUST the day before. Actually it should have been pretty clear I was going to target Palmar before the idea of. Banning TS became popular. I decided to go along woth banning TS bcause I thought it would give us solid info going into today. Unfortunitly my role is shit and doesn't actually confirm anything, especially since scum can no shoot. | ||
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I can't believe you don't see how he has no interest in figuering out scum today and you buy his "I have auto tonight" excuse. It's a great excuse to hind behind as scum, but it's the wrong fucking attitude as town when we can win today by finding and lynching scum. Instead of trying he just is bouncing between me and TS without trying to find reasons why we are town or scum. Rereading today, focusing on Super's posts and modivations. This was his position right at the start of the day. On February 02 2016 08:14 Superbia wrote: Honestly it doesn't really matter that much. The reason I didn't want anyone to talk is because palmar was discussing our number of lynches and others were as well. I was hoping mafia would fuck up and they did. Me being alive gives us a 2nd lynch. We lynch today and I get a shot if we miss. Does it really make sense that mafia would not realize Super's role or the number of shots they needed last night because there was no discussion? His tone is all wrong too. He's way to mild mannered and uninvested for someone who just "fooled mafia" into letting him live. On February 02 2016 08:41 Superbia wrote: Right. The town between you two will need to realize that the only way we have a chance to lose this game is if we sleep or lynch me. But whatever, we'll get there tomorrow. This post is also odd, why does he think we lose if we sleep? If he is town he should realize a sleep puts us in 2v1 tomorrow as long as he holds his shot. Only event of a town loss if we sleep is if Super is mafia. Thus only a scum!Super should be thinking that town losses if we sleep. On February 02 2016 08:44 Superbia wrote: Except that if you are scum I literally give town another lynch for no reason. (5v2 -> 4v2/4v1, very likely 4v1) Oh yeah, and I also get rid of the big question mark in the progress (and very, very likely reduce the scum count to 1). Yeah, no. This post actually makes no sense, Super is actually talking as though he DID have 2 KP to consider. If he was town I'd expect him to only explain why he shot Cake, this actually reads "well if i left you alive I gave town another lynch which is stupid, also I did kill a question mark who turned out to be scum" On February 02 2016 08:46 Superbia wrote: No. If we sleep I literally die because I'm confirmed town tomorrow (due to the fact that the game is not over). AND we lose a lynch (I can't shoot anymore). Best case scenario is that scum does not realize this (derp, but kind of likely since they didn't realize the extra lynch), SL dies (likely), and my shot means that we get a shot at a draw. So Super doesn't want to sleep because he might die, which would actually put us in 2v1 tomorrow with a 1/3 chance of lynching scum over the 1/4 today. However! The ironic thing here is that that situation should literally be Super's PoV today, he needs to pick the mafia between the 3 of us to win. Yet he has constantly refused to do anything towards that end. He just wants to leave it at either me or TS with his shot to end the game. It's REALLY important to find scum today, but Super just keeps using his shot as an excuse to do nothing. The fact the he continues to do nothing to push TS or myself as mafia while claiming he doesn't want to sleep is a HUGE contradiction. On February 02 2016 09:39 Superbia wrote: 1. Because if SL (and myself) are town I can literally kill you both. 1- lynch, 2-cpr. 2. I have specifically said that WE NEVER SLEEP HERE. 3. I literally do not really give a shit which of you two are mafia because I can shoot the other if we miss. I just have to ensure SL is town but I'm pretty sure. Just again, very adiment about not sleeping but he isn't thinking about winning today. How does it make sense that town!Super is more focused on the win tonight than on winning today by lynching scum? I don't know how to point this out more clearly. On February 02 2016 11:15 Superbia wrote: IF IM MAFIA I DONT NO-SHOOT. ITS FUCKING HORRIBLE BECAUSE IF YOURE THE OTHER MAFIA TOWN GAINS ANOTHER LYNCH. This is a retarted way to reply. If Super is mafia obv Shining is not, sorry but Caps don't hide the fact that you are not responding to this in a way that makes sense. On February 02 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote: Okay. You understand that for me the optimal way to go about this day is find 1 town instead of the mafia, right? (if I'm town) This is a technicality, sure the easy way for a Town!Super to pull off the win, but it doesn't mean that he shouldn't try to find scum today so that he doesn't need to rely on his shot. I really REALLY think it's scummy that Super's so focused on this play that involves winning tonight not lynching scum today. On February 02 2016 22:40 Superbia wrote: Honestly I feel like I've been supertownie even without the whole dreamflower thing. There's a good reason Palmar hard read me town while he has been able to scum-read me halfway through d1 in the past. Look at my past games. I really dislike this post. First line reads "Yea I should be townread for the Dreamflower thing" and then he's just useing the fact that Palmar townread him as proof that he's town. I don't see why mafia can't claim they are going to pick dreamflower and then pick something else later, it's actually a decent move to get easy towncred. Act like your going for a role that is suicide if mafia, then back down when someone suggests something else. I pointed out I had suspicions about this claim right off btw, it doesn't convince me anymore now. Also if we wanna throw in dead players reads... + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2016 02:23 Damdred wrote: Super why the postering on dreamflowet and then backing out? (Didn't go looking for that one, happened to spot it while I went looking for...) On January 25 2016 05:12 Damdred wrote: Yeah I already read shinning filter. He's probably 90% town, decent activity and prodding questions. I wouldn't ever lynch him On February 02 2016 23:02 Superbia wrote: We'll go into the night with me confirmed town and we can discuss my shot. I'll likely shoot because I have 0 confidence in the town to make the right decision tbh. This is a bad answer. If town he should realize that if we sleep and he shoots wrong it's game. If he thinks he's got better reads than the rest of us why isn't he sharing them and trying to convince us to lynch that person today? Only reason he'd shoot if we sleep is if he is scum. On February 03 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote: Also it literally boggles my mind that you're defending someone in MYLO. On February 03 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote: That is so un-towny. Yea, explaining my TR on someone is un-towny. This is total BS. Super should get lynched for this alone. Claiming that me discussing why I think someone is town in 3v1 is mafia motivated. On February 03 2016 06:40 Superbia wrote: There is no possible scenario in which you are town. Town is never this convinced in mylo. You've put up a charade of "hmm maybe I should take a look at SL" but it's just a facade. If you were town you would be looking at everybody. You came in today with a plan. Your post before the night reflected this. The fact that Palmar died over me in the night reflected this. Explain how Palmar being killed explains anything? If I am scum I never let Super live to possibly shoot me. 2v1 is better for me as scum than the current situation with Super having a shot tonight. Hell anyone of Me/SL/TS as scum would have a high priority to shoot you Super, yet you are still here. On February 03 2016 07:16 Superbia wrote: Reading game filter. Did he flip his read at some point just to go back to it later? This never panned out. I don't think Super ever did this. I think I'm done here, kinda feel like I'm hitting on the same points over and over (also only a couple more pages to go). I think it's really clear from Super's posting today that he is only focused on winning tonight, not in correctly lynching mafia today. The only reason why he would be discounting winning today is if he is mafia, this excuse of "having auto" is the most BS reasoning I've ever heard. This is my last effort to show you guys why we should be lynching Super. If I'm wrong, convince me of it. If I'm mafia, lynch me for it. I'm not crazy about the option to sleep myself since I think scum!Super just wins then, but if that's my only choice besides lynching Shining hoping that I've been wrong on him all game... I think it's what I prefer. | ||
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I understand you have to push me and make me look bad and all that, but if you really think I haven't explored you being town and TS being mafia you are wrong. I tinfoil all the time to look at things from multiple angles, but this is just what makes the most sense to me every time I look at the possibilities today. I don't think I can make my reasoning anymore clear, so if you are town you need to make me understand why I'm wrong. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:59 sicklucker wrote: i see you all evaded this important qeustion. I cant really proceed untill you answer this Idk, so I can't put it past him. I know I probably would. | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:23 sicklucker wrote: No super Somethings sitting wrong with me. Your filter is so clean im probably losing my mind. Gonna go read filters for a shit ton of time now. Dont wanna get this wrong. TT i suggest you keep your vote the same because im now deciding between you and super rather then between super and both fo you. This is a more even playing field really I've got about 2 hours till I have to leave and won't be able to change my vote or anything after that point. I'm less certain now that Super has bothered to respond to both of my WoT posts when if as scum he really shouldn't care what I think as the current status-quo should give him the win. Especially since during that time TS has basically added nothing to the day besides a few quips and questions and a TR on me. SL has checked and double checked stuff, and there is no way he would bring up that old game of ours to TR me as mafia. So he is the only person I'm completely solid on being town here. | ||
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We are for sure 3v1 right now, one of the 4 of us is scum. We shouldn't need to drone on about this RB, KP, Role stuff just look at what everyone's motivations are in their posts today. This is actually exactly what I did in my last WoT btw. Post #5355 Though tbh when I was looking at The Shining's posts as I did that I was also not seeing a ton of town motivations. I'll relook at those. | ||
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Still smaller than the last one. + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote: I knew Cop was scum. Good shyt. Wifom but Palmar was tring me, I'd never shoot him as scum. I was roleblocked. And I'd honestly probably sheep TT on Super. It's definitely one of Super/SL. The no concession means last scum is townread heavily. That's obviously not me. Lynching me today is stupid, I am town and won't be the reason we lose, Fuck that. Fairly Meh, I'm not sure I believe there is any real passion behind that last line. On February 02 2016 08:43 The Shining wrote: There is 1 scum left. If we sleep, there would be 1 NK if you don't shoot and 3 left tomorrow with 1 scum. How is that a loss? This I totally agree with, actually there's a few good questions here in his filter I like. On February 02 2016 08:56 The Shining wrote: Whichever one of you is town is a flower and the other is happy scum. Good shit. Its probably super and if we mislynch, the game is over because he won't protect the person he's shooting. Or if by some magic he's town, he'd have to protect the person scum is shooting, which won't happen bcuz they just shoot him. Stupid. Mislynch = loss. This is what I have been saying but this looks like Shining isn't just straight parroting or anything here. Not sure if the slight misconception about Super's role means anything, but it is consistent with how Shining has gotten role stuff mixed up a little before (mostly with my Ban on damdred, and a little on it last night). On February 02 2016 09:00 The Shining wrote: The safe scum play is to agree with my ml since he'd know I'm not scum, not try to target and case one of the townread players in the thread. His reads on disfo and rels were also pretty good and when I get a chance, I'll re-read his filter but I know my alignment and this is enough to think he isn't scum. If he was scum, he lynches the easiest town to lynch, like you and SL are trying to do. Not defend me last day phase and continue to do so and case you at eon. Again, this post is pretty on point. It could be he is just rolling with the fact that I've hard townread him most of the game. Biggest thing to me is just that he is looking at things from multiple points of view. Yea I don't wanna quote everypost, but I agree with all the points TS is bringing up in #5045, #5098, #5100. Kinda Meh about this post too. On February 02 2016 11:11 The Shining wrote: Whoever thinks I'm scum should also really tell me what team I'm on. I've wanted Cop dead forever. I tried to get Rels lynched before anyone off of what I thought was a slip(his protect list). I was all in for the double scum flip. Like srsly there is no world I'm scum in this game On the one hand I agree with it as my earlier filter dives showed pushes and scumreads on the right people and enough that they had to have come from different teams. Then again if scum TS would be aware that his filter supports that. Eh still more towny imo, this is a hard enough game without scum selling out their own team. On February 02 2016 11:25 The Shining wrote: NOT IF YOU'RE BANKING ON COP BEING THE OTHER MAFIA. I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TOO Idk this response feels real. On February 02 2016 11:27 The Shining wrote: This Is correct. Unless you think Super Is town and trust his shot. But that's the worst end game ever and he isn't town anyway Ok Last post kus I'm almost at the present. Here is what bugs me at this point. Shining is talking to SL like he is town, he TR's me, and he agrees with basically everything I posted EoN onwards. In fact it's hard for me to really get a full sense of TS's own thoughts becasue I'm just seeing a lot of my own points coming from him. It's also weird to me that Shining hasn't voted if he's as convinced that Super is scum as he seemed to be in that last post. At worst though this still just leaves me uneasy, but leaning town on Shining. I've been hoping to see more clear thought and effort from him though, given we are at endgame here. | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:46 Superbia wrote: I would like to remind you that I shot disfo. Yet you know this proves nothing... | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:51 Superbia wrote: ... If copcake is with rels then disfo is on a different team. Can you explain this? You've questioned me endlessly why I think they were on the same team, but have never done anything to show they weren't. | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:51 sicklucker wrote: Ticktock can you link previous scum games? Mys 1st scumgame (you were almost in it) Holy Guardians My 2nd, and most recent scumgame Nutcraker | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:58 Superbia wrote: TT you need to do your action on The Shining before EoD in case we still want to go through with SL's plan btw. I have no more Bans left, you guys are high. | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:56 The Shining wrote: He was one of my two poe scum but he's progressively gotten more townie this day, where Superbia hasnt. Regardless of whatever SL has against me, which he's made abundantly clear multiple times this game, I like the way he's been looking at you and Super objectively. Normally I'd find all the flopping questionable but this is basically mylo and he's not just pulling out random speculations. He's reading filters, using meta, revisiting things that were already saidd today. He's basically doing everything I would expect him to do as town, even if I don't really don't like the way he's gone about me. Dam you for being so to the point and reasonable. It both makes me think I'm completely right that you are town, but at the same time super paranoid that you are just telling me what I want to hear... | ||
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Why did you wait? I kinda expected you to vote right off to show you still had one. Ofc then I realized we don't get notified if your vote is exempt till EoD anyways. Thanks to my shitty role. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:20 The Shining wrote: He's apparently been through my filter and recent posts multiple times. He had ample opportunity to flop his read on me, ML and win the game as scum. This hard core, also I've tried multiple times to straight 1v1 Super which I would never do as scum. It's also why I don't think SL is scum because he has a much easier path to the win by joining in my push than to do what he is doing here. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:23 sicklucker wrote: shining tt still might be mafia. like his only way to win is to hard town read you and get super lynched. so I hope you realize this I do, when I started trolling yesterday it was kus I felt like I needed to see more posts from him to see if he was just riding along with me. It's still a definite possibility, but he just gave a solid TR on you. So congrats SL you are confirmed town. I'd like you to compare TS's TR on you vs what Super has been saying though and give me your opinion. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:21 sicklucker wrote: Ticktock if shining acepted your roleblock hes roleblocked tonight not last night correct? Or am i wrong I banned him last Day phase. So he has a choice last night to take a RB for that night, or to loose his vote today. (or #3 that doesn't matter kus it didn't happen) That is over and done for. Only person who has role abilities or actions of any kind is Super. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:30 sicklucker wrote: I dont buy that. you might be honest but as scum its your only way to win and if you were scum you would have to do that or concede I am honest as either alignment, I also don't think I'd be so willing to lock myself into a 1v1 like this as scum. But then again this is a unique situation, probably smart to not take my word at face value. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:31 sicklucker wrote: so your saying shining is not even roleblocked tonight? and you guys both (ticktick super) didnt point this out even tho it could be throwing the game? great Dude I explained how my role works several times, it's not my fault you refuse to read the OP to figure this shit out yourself and get it mixed up. Him being RB'd never factored into anything I posted either, so idk why you made that assumption. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:33 sicklucker wrote: And i was leaning to vote super too. but now I have to go for the two for one deal again. sucks man I'm not sure why Shining not being RB's makes that much difference.
-We lynch TS, we win if he is mafia, lose if he is town. -You guys say fuck TT and lynch me, Town lose. -SL claims scum, we lynch him. ??? Profit -We lynch Super kus I'm crazy, but I'm might actually be right. We lose if he is town. These have pretty much been the options all along today. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:38 sicklucker wrote: Ticktock I asked you to check out supers night 2 missing kp/rb. Super I asked you to see if any mafia had a power to know TT;s alignment because FF or kita called TT mafia right before they flipped. Maybe shining can do this if hes around? FF called me mafia with Kita, iirc. What about super's N2? He claims to have shot at me, but GB RB'd him. I can verify that is exactly what happened because I was RB'd by the Vanilla Virus N3 and that is the only way i could have been RB'd that night. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:41 The Shining wrote: This is a good point but then I fall back to a world where there is no way a scum QT allows this to even be a possibility. Scum never shoots town Palmar with no useful night actions vs Superbia. Scum never leaves town with a CPR Doc with an extra kp to solve the game by auto or a possible protection if they stack on the CPR target. I am convinced there is no world where townSuper doesn't die last night phase. I also really agree with this. None of the 3 of us as scum take the chance of leaving town!Super alive in the game for this... | ||
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Interesting, do you think FF and Dis would have faked their interactions if they were scum? I recall FF pleading with Dis to tell him his sanity, and Dis made a point of asking if he should give out the sanity of Moriarty or not. Not really sure that all would happen if they were scum buddies. | ||
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Kus Super was really admanet about nobody discussing things at night, he claims it was because he wanted to trick scum into letting him live today but that doesn't really make a lot of sense. It's also odd that super wasn't worried AT ALL about dying last night, he told everyone to post their thoughts and EoN, but nobody but me did so. If anyone should have been super paranoid about getting killed last night it should have been Super, but if he was considering that he prob would have posted something right? Then I started wondering that what if Super was planning to kill palmar, shoot Cake, and then ride the TR from palmar and cred from Cake to the win? Since I was obviously right about Cake, and made that post that cased her hard I think it's pretty likely that if she was mafia by herself (I think she was) she simply didn't bother to submit a kill. It even makes sense if they were on the same team. Cake was never not getting killed, so Super shoots her for cred in this cluster-endgame. Super's whole argument about the auto was probably pre-planned and he's just siding with SL while letting Palmar's scumreads duel it out. Sorry I know I'm out in the deep end again, but it makes sense. | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Like I wantes to know if it was possible FF checked TT or whoever. like was there a missing check and enough nights? He only even got one check, kus he was lynched D2. Idk how you intend to find anything to back this up though. | ||
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On February 04 2016 06:09 sicklucker wrote: If ticktock is town its because he preemptively made this theory without knowing what the nks would be. It kind of makes sense for him ot keep going with tihs theory even if there some holes in it because "the nk proved him right in his mind" right? he predicted it right? why would a town ever waver after that This would fall apart in the case on me being scum with Cake though. Kus then I have all the knowledge I need to make that post. I'm not scum though, so God Reads! Also just kus, I also made these god reads D3. On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote: Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler + Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town. D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him 15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler + not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him 17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler + gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler + gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. 22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler + Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler + Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler + I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then? Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof. Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR. Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk. At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. 3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler + I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things. Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for 4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler + honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too. 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On February 04 2016 06:14 sicklucker wrote: acualy its just so far fetch. like tmi but hoe could he have predicted the situation ? THERES NO WAY TICKTOCKS THIS GOOD Sorry, post game will verify that I am in fact that good. | ||
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I still believe in the associations I did last night though? Like right now I see this game as: Sicklucker, The Shining, Superbia You can tinfoil all you want that I'm not good enough to have made the reads I have this game, but then I would have bussed my entire team over the past few days. I have to leave really soon, and I'm gunna leave my vote where it is. It's gunna be your call if you should lynch Super or sleep. If we lynch Super and lose to a scum TS, I'm clearly to blame for the loss. If we no lynch and lose to a scum Super I'm probably gunna hold it over you for awhile. If you all lynch me while I'm gone, I'll just feel bad, but less so if Super is scum. | ||
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He took the time to respond to why WoT which is pretty towny, but then some of his posts early today still feel wrong even after he tried to explain his PoV. I also can't get over how upset he got when I started to post why I thought TS was town, then asked TS if he thought it was weird I TR him like I was, and then asked me to make a case on TS. None of that makes any sense to me if Super is town and thinks TS is scum. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:02 GreYMisT wrote: He didn't stack, Copcake chose not to shoot Called it. Yep. God reads. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:05 Superbia wrote: I felt like town did an insane job evaluating in MYLO btw. I fucking thought I had that in the bag coming into the day. Fear my powers of tinfoil! Also those associative reads I did this game were boss, I dunno why SL ignored them like he did. | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:17 Superbia wrote: TT you were actually so good. Sorry for calling your logic shit and stuff, but I had to discredit your line of thought. That pre-flip case. 100% correct. Yea I know, I'm not mad. Well bit salty SL couldn't take the risk and lynch you, but w/e. You played well, and I'm not even sure why I first started suspecting you, but it was sometime after you tried to shoot me, it just didn't add up given your position/reads in the game at that point. Part of my problem as town is that I really do tinfoil and go with my gut reads a lot. I tend to have really good reads that way, but it's a pain in the ass to explain them and make other people understand them. Anyways I can be pretty happy solving the game the night before LyLo. Also my Voting record this game is spotless as long as you ignore the troll D1 vote on VA. | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:55 GlowingBear wrote: Lol so I correctly roleblocked Superbia XD Thereby saving me and giving Town a real chance at pulling out the win. You are a town hero sir. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
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