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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 31 2016 08:45 GMT
#4661
Oh I did also go through Shining's filter earlier. I get a lot of town vibes from it and nothing really stood out that made me think scum.

About the only thing that I found a little off was his shot on Alot, but that's probably just because I just disagreed that Alot seemed scummy at all this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 10:36 GMT
#4662
On January 31 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to do some work.

Most important fact today:
At least 1 mafia in:
- Myself
- Rels
- Palmar
- The shining

I'm going to make a wild assumption and assume that disfo was with one of the others.

why is this true btw?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 10:42 GMT
#4663
On January 31 2016 05:37 Superbia wrote:
? It actually brings you back on the discussion board rels.

We know there that it's likely 1v1 mafia today. We know it's likely (imo), that disfo carried the KP for his team yesterday.

So:
- Assuming disfo was in team A:
SL, Copcake and ticktock are never on team B.
Which translate to only 1 mafia at most in that group.

So for sure at least 1 mafia in:
- Myself
- Rels
- Palmar
- The Shining

I honestly think it's 1 and it's the shining at this point, but I have backup KP in case.

I do not understand this at all.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 10:52 GMT
#4664
Just to be clear, the chances of setups today are:

5v1v1 (GB was mafia)
5v2v0 (GB was mafia)
4v2v1
4v3v0

It's possible disfo was the last remaining scum on his team, delivering their last KP. I think it's more likely we're in either 5v1v1 or 4v2v1, but that doesn't really matter.

we know that copcake and sl were "roleblocked". This, especially the sl part as koshi didn't claim the rb, should be taken with a grain of salt. But even that result isn't that exciting because it means one of the following people must have delivered a kp.

palmar
rels
shining
disfo
superbia
tictock

which is a pretty hefty list.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 10:54 GMT
#4665
On January 31 2016 08:57 CopCake wrote:
I am here now

And why would i kill keirathi? -____- i mean if i was mafia i would not send actions and let people tinfoil but even that woulent even happen because a missed kill and stuff so yeah. And all game i havent said a fucking lie i am busy, wanted to quit didnt even pick a role and i let you use my kill. You asked me stuff I answer so if the case is "cake is useless and havent done shit" excuse me you are just wrong.

The keirathi thing means two things to me since i know i am town:

1.- mafia wanted to frame me

And

2.- mafia didnt want town to know i am town.

I am pretty much the easiest misslynch with all the players that are alive.

this is a pretty scummy post.
Computer says mafia
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 31 2016 12:02 GMT
#4666
On January 31 2016 19:36 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to do some work.

Most important fact today:
At least 1 mafia in:
- Myself
- Rels
- Palmar
- The shining

I'm going to make a wild assumption and assume that disfo was with one of the others.

why is this true btw?


All right. I think the points you brought up are correct, and my assumptions are a bit too steep. These are assumptions I made which may actually not be true:

- Glowingbear was the Challenger (Kenpachi). Which means that: I was roleblocked n2->visiting TT->TT is roleblocked n3. Therefore cannot carry KP. HOWEVER. Glowingbear could've just actually been the jailkeeper or something similar. His role never was confirmed because he never flipped. Assuming GB was kenpachi means TT was unable to carry KP last night (I believe).

- Copcake couldn't carry KP last night confirmed. Keir said he would track her and flipped town. So we can safely assume copcake did not carry KP last night.

- SL claimed to have been roleblocked. Koshi is the safe assumption. This is very likely because:
- Koshi was reading SL mafia.
- Koshi more than likely did not use his mad hatter ability because all KP is essentially accounted for. There is a freak world where it was on Keir, but that's so ridiculously far fetched I don't even want to think about it. So no. Likely he used his roleblock.
- He likely didn't claim because it looked like he was going to live.

SO. Essentially we can say:
- SL (92%)
- Copcake (99%)
- Possibly TT (but I'm kind of reluctant now because we never confirmed GB's role).

were unable to carry KP last night.


So let's say we take TT out of that list bc of GB shennanigans.

That means that 2KP has to have come out of his list:
- Myself
- Rels
- Palmar
- Tictock
- The Shining
- Disformation

We know for sure that disfo was mafia and could've carried KP (actually somewhat likely because I outed my KP 25-20m before EoN resolution time iirc).

So as such, we can remove disfo from the list and reduce the KP by at most 1 which leaves us with the conclusion:
There is, ALWAYS at least 1 mafia (to have carried the at least 1 KP) in this list:
- Myself
- Rels
- Palmar
- Tictock (if GB was mafia and lied)
- The Shining
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 31 2016 12:03 GMT
#4667
Now the whole GB thing I figured out kind of makes the information less relevant because my earlier list is less reliable so meh.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 31 2016 12:05 GMT
#4668
I think it leaves copcake off the table for today. And I think it kind confirms SL as being town, because I think he would always have carried the KP for his team last night with the track threat we had lying around.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 31 2016 12:08 GMT
#4669
Gonna eat some lunch and do some work. I want everyone to give thoughts on the logic and their own conclusions.

Still pretty undecided on the lynch. =/ I'll be back later today to review some filters to decide.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 31 2016 12:17 GMT
#4670
Actually this probably just means very little with TT out of the confirmed not being able to provide KP list. z_z gdi nvm.
Minimal effort.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 13:04 GMT
#4671
On January 31 2016 21:05 Superbia wrote:
I think it leaves copcake off the table for today. And I think it kind confirms SL as being town, because I think he would always have carried the KP for his team last night with the track threat we had lying around.

It also fits that koshi would rb sl, and his reaction today was sort of towny
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 13:09 GMT
#4672
ok well, we have 3 mafia left. people who are (for one reason or another) very unlikely to have carried kp last night:

superbia
Palmar
sicklucker
copcake

this leaves:

rels
tictock
shining
disformation

Of these four, I would by far want to kill tictock the most. because of a few reasons.

Rels has activity and usefulness on his side.
Shining just soudns like he's town when I open his filter

tictock is very neutral and forgettable.

In addition, Keirathi genuinely believed his case on tictock, it was a good case he seemed passionate about. It's much better than me wifom lynching someone else.

Like there is no way for me to be 100% sure on every mafia in the game, so I'm more than willing to admit that someone who is basically just null to me might be mafia if another good townie says he must be.

It's educated sheeping at it's finest.

So yeah, let's kill tictock and see where that takes us.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 13:10 GMT
#4673
essentially, I think we have confirmed mafia in:

rels
tictock
shining
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 13:21 GMT
#4674
On January 31 2016 22:10 Palmar wrote:
essentially, I think we have confirmed mafia in:

rels
tictock
shining

This assumes, of course, that my townreads on superbia and I are correct.

essentially, this assumption is based on the following things.

There were 2kp somewhere in:

disfo
sl
copcake
palmar
superbia
shining
rels
tictock.

Remove strong townreads and that leaves:

disfo
sl
copcake
shining
rels
tictock

remove confirmed (or very likely) roleblocks:

disfo
shining
rels
tictock

And there we go. 2 of those 4 people delivered a kp. It's very likely one of those was disfo, but the other kp is in there somewhere.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 31 2016 13:29 GMT
#4675
essentially the same thing as superbia said, I guess, but with me applying townreads too.

I don't quite understand the kenpachi role. Is there really a good chance TT was roleblocked last night?

Because that would be extremely useful information.

Although I think the solution is simple. If TT somehow flips town, you shooot into rels/shining and the other gets lynched the following day for confirmed mafia.
Computer says mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 31 2016 14:53 GMT
#4676
On January 31 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to do some work.

Most important fact today:
At least 1 mafia in:
- Myself
- Rels
- Palmar
- The shining

I'm going to make a wild assumption and assume that disfo was with one of the others.


how 100% sure of this are we? if thats true your plan makes sense(kill shining then rels if miss) but you better make sure all the facts are right
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 31 2016 14:56 GMT
#4677
On January 31 2016 06:29 Tictock wrote:
Since there is a real chance of us being in LyLo tomorrow I think I should use my final Ban today.

Show nested quote +
Blazinghand (New - TL Mafia Ban List)
You are Blazinghand, The Chosen, Wielder of the Sacred List, and He Who Guides The Newbie. Twice per game during the day phase (ability activates after the end of day), you may recommend that a player be banned. Unfortunately, you took over the banlist in the shadow of the Great GMarshal, He Who Sees All Things And Wields The Mighty Hammer, and your power is not absolute. The player you targeted may choose to either take a 'warning' (and be roleblocked for the following night phase and the following day phase) or 'sitout a game' (that player's vote during the following day phase is not counted). If the player chooses neither (either out of choice or because they are roleblocked) they will be BANNED. A banned player will have their vote stolen and added to your voting power for the following day.


Which is pretty meh, but should at least a bit more info tomorrow.

If the Banned person has a vote tomorrow you know they took the RB.

Maybe would be good on someone like Palmar, Shinging, or Cake since they should have no role related things to do, so unless they are mafia can take a RB, which can be verified the next day.


that roles acualy useful now (glad i told you to keep it as mafia or town?:D ) lets decide later who to use it on after flip new info etc
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 31 2016 14:57 GMT
#4678
On January 31 2016 06:29 Tictock wrote:
Tbh I have no idea if that's a good way to use it, but was all I could come up with.

It's a really odd role.


It shows your town that your willing to use it that way. IF i was mafia I would save it for lylo
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 31 2016 14:58 GMT
#4679
I think were in a world of two. from my pov three of tt,shining,rels, copcake would have to be mafia I dont see it likely
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 31 2016 15:05 GMT
#4680
I think gb lying about his role in that spot was somewhat unlikely (last in the list) and all. I did feel like he intentionally slipped ihs role to be tho
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