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But it looked "good" because you saved another good role.
Pretty brilliant mafia play.
Kill a great town role ---> But saved a great town role + great town player.
But it could have been
Kill a bad town role + kill lurker ---> And save a great town role + great town player.
anyway you get it
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Point is I am a really great player.
tldr: Koshi is awesome
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wow all the things that happened, it is almost tinfoil.
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1. disformation
3. Rels
4. Onegu
5. Keirathi
8. Tictock
12. Superbia
13. Koshi
15. The Shinin
17. sicklucker
21. CopCake
22. Palmar
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Dont you guys think keirathi is suddenly oh so quiet?
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koshi your reasons for scum reading onegu are really bad but carry on
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oh yes but hes "mad at palmar' and hes riding with it. im sure the hell not using that as an excuse
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On January 28 2016 01:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 01:29 Onegu wrote:
Well I am here. Looks like I am dead. Put a shot on Disformation, May change to TT but kinda feel like sheeping Koshi and Palmar even though they are being dumb. You played well this game btw. I say this without knowing how you will flip. for that reason I hope you are town. I'll give you the reason why I scumread you after tonight: Your protection targets are really good, but the person you redirect your shot to is not how I remember your filter. I really thought you would kill sicklucker this night, if you did that I would have defended you till you did another pro mafia move during night. Because your actions on the surface look pro town, but they are really good for mafia as well. Really good. N1 can be forgive because I am a way better player than geript while our roles were equally good. But Damdred over sicklucker? Nha, that doesn't fit, it reeks of mafia agenda. That and you cared too much for the level of pushing power you had this game. Remember how you smurfed and went after me? You don't have that vista against anybody this game. I miss it to really townread you. ggwpglnorewtfbbq
##unvote
##vote OneguIf you are town, don't worry about dieing, this game was bullshit from the start, maybe 2 mafia will flip during night if we kill town. At this point lynching town is probably better than lynching mafia. #TrueStory
So I have already pointed out how I would want to shoot scum if I was scum not town.
Also I lock in the people I can shoot then choose who to shoot at EOD if I live. I have locked in everyone Prior to Koshi voting me.
##Vote SL
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im acualy happy i used my role tonight not that I think about it. It means mafai wont target me with kp ever. Which means they are that much more likely to hit other mafia
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On January 28 2016 02:05 sicklucker wrote:
oh yes but hes "mad at palmar' and hes riding with it. im sure the hell not using that as an excuse
So dumb I lack my scum read of you last night then this happens. Starting to feel this is TvT now...
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it very well may be my friend but you are dead now no reason to to thin kabout it. tbh I was trying to think of other options but palmar more or less guilted me into doing it.
Koshi/palmar/rels all told me to do it whats a boy to do. I think rels is scummy for doing it if you flip town but meh thats thin hes scum for other reasons =]
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Dont get me wrong im happy your dead I can never trust you the way pregame/day 1 went
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On January 28 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Wow TT is scum. He makes a list of his reads, and is convinced the 3 people at the bottom are scum. We know he is that sure because of this sentence: Show nested quote +
Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.
"I've got two scums above", meaning the 3 below are 100% scums. So if he's town, he's abolutely sure Onegu disfo and me are scums. But reading the spoilers: Show nested quote +
1. disformation ( Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.)
3. Rels (I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for)
4. Onegu (honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.)
So for all of these reads he states variations of "I need to check his filter". This is not how townie operate: here TT is giving his reads BEFORE doing the filter dives that should conclude in his reads. He is preparing his reads progression without doing the work to back them up. In short, they are fabricated. Furthermore, where is GB in all this ? He's been the scummiest player for a long time and he doesn't appear in this post.
I already explained to Keir how I went about making this post. The spoilers are explanations as to why I placed people how I did.
GB got shoveled and is no longer with us, I also mentioned him in a later post, but it really doesn't matter.
This reaction overall feels pretty kneejerk without much real thought as to what my alignment is, but thats kinda NAI.
Rels you've played with me plenty, I'd think you'd be more used to how I rethink my reads and stuff throughout a game.
Also I've been meaning to ask you, did you give up making meta reads?
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On January 28 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote:
wow you guys are so lame but not as lame as onegu who I should have used this on yesterday
##Nirvana Strike: onegu
Oh ok we are gunna do that, well my vote is never leaving Onegu then.
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On January 28 2016 00:18 sicklucker wrote:
If i was mafia why would I even claim this role? it puts me in spots like this where im a 50% chance to get lynched...
If i really was mafia I would claim like kenpachi or something
I doubt you would use your power like this too if you were mafia.
This turn of events just reinforces my tinfoil though.
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On January 28 2016 00:20 sicklucker wrote:
and those who vote onegu can get killed. I rly hope you guys are scum if not this is so sad lolz
Nah onegu can only do that thing if we don't lynch him.
Which we really should be doing here, I'm quite certain SL is never scum here.
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On January 28 2016 00:23 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 00:22 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:
I can get on board with killing onegu. But I am not the same mafia alignment as him and he didnt kill me so there is some reason to acualy tr him now sadly..
That being said he seems super wling to kill me here which means he will just try to kill me tonight so im probably down. (i dont have to use my powers)
Uhh, so you are mafia just not with Onegu? YOU TOWN READ ME YOU FUCKER
I just wanted to know what you meant by that, calm down.
That was some funny timing though, I was a few pages behind when I posted that.
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On January 28 2016 00:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 00:22 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:
I can get on board with killing onegu. But I am not the same mafia alignment as him and he didnt kill me so there is some reason to acualy tr him now sadly..
That being said he seems super wling to kill me here which means he will just try to kill me tonight so im probably down. (i dont have to use my powers)
Uhh, so you are mafia just not with Onegu? haha p: busted by the other team Onegu TT SL ??? Last one is probably copcake
How the hell does this make any sense?
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On January 28 2016 02:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 00:24 Rels wrote:On January 28 2016 00:22 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:
I can get on board with killing onegu. But I am not the same mafia alignment as him and he didnt kill me so there is some reason to acualy tr him now sadly..
That being said he seems super wling to kill me here which means he will just try to kill me tonight so im probably down. (i dont have to use my powers)
Uhh, so you are mafia just not with Onegu? haha p: busted by the other team Onegu TT SL ??? Last one is probably copcake How the hell does this make any sense?
those 4 and himself = last 5 mafia
makes sense to me.
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