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Well... Probably both rayn and Palmar aren't scum. They could still both be town, I guess.
What got me thinking about Palmar a bit is how he similarly made a sudden push on sandroba here (as scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=54#1077 It didn't seem to make any sense there either as scum. So I guess it's not impossible he could try something similar here? It feels so stupid though... Bringing so much attention to himself. In that game many of the scumteam were in a tough spot already, so it made at least SOME sense as a distraction, but... Here? It seems even more stupid. Unless the scumteam was somehow in dire straits, which shouldn't be the case when nobody is even really being voted or anything...
As for rayn, it slightly disturbs me how he seems to come to conclusions with a somewhat flimsy basis. Like the ritoky townread (IMO), or the Palmar scumread... Although that makes a bit more sense, I guess, since it's true that Palmar misrepresented some things (like the point about rayn's comment on my post). I'd rather not talk about my heuristic for now, but I'll just say that its result is uncertain for now.
In conclusion: ??? :D
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What was the double misrepresentation thing even about really?
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And what I meant by Palmar's push being "stupid" was just that it's so super-confident...
Hm.
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i stayed up way longer than was necessary, kid fell asleep over 20 mins ago; going back to sleep cya
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On January 14 2016 19:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:34 Palmar wrote:
I'd like to hear both of your thoughts (rit, xat) on that latest development in rayn's dodgy posting. I broke down why he is guilty. considering i thought your read on rayn was a long-con joke for probably 2 pages; i would say i am not particularly convinced. but perhaps your amazing intellect and subtle distinctions are too much for my half asleep 3 am brain. i doubt it. gonna go out on a limb and say that rayn is probably just town for defending me, even though it's the firs time it's ever happened and it sketches me out a bit. only real reason to do something like that as mafia that early is to establish a pocket on me; and i don't think rayn values my town play enough to go out of the way to pocket me there. plus my argument is very self-centered and as has been established in the thread "i give no fucks what anyone says".
Lolz, I thought it was a joke for quite a while too 
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On January 14 2016 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
As for rayn, it slightly disturbs me how he seems to come to conclusions with a somewhat flimsy basis.
How can you say this when you AGREED WITH ME AT SOME POINT?
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I don't think I ever considered your points for making ritoky town there as really valid?
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I consider myself answered reasonably unless Palmar wants to explain why does my read on ritoky, regardless of if i am right or wrong, make me mafia. "wrong reasons" is not a reasonable answer.
Again, the argument about Xatalos post is just bullshit and i don't care how he is going to try to push it.
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum.
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On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I consider myself answered reasonably unless Palmar wants to explain why does my read on ritoky, regardless of if i am right or wrong, make me mafia. "wrong reasons" is not a reasonable answer.
Again, the argument about Xatalos post is just bullshit and i don't care how he is going to try to push it.
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum.
I have never engaged you 1v1 as mafia.
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Really Xatalos?
On January 14 2016 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
I guess so...
VE: I also didn't really like the things ritoky was pushing. It was just the way he posted that made me think he could be town after all. He was so bold and didn't really seem to care what others thought of him. Fits better with a town mindset.
This is basically the same thing i said except you used different words...
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On January 14 2016 20:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I consider myself answered reasonably unless Palmar wants to explain why does my read on ritoky, regardless of if i am right or wrong, make me mafia. "wrong reasons" is not a reasonable answer.
Again, the argument about Xatalos post is just bullshit and i don't care how he is going to try to push it.
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum. I have never engaged you 1v1 as mafia.
If i prove this to be incorrect do you agree you are scum?
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On January 14 2016 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 20:17 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I consider myself answered reasonably unless Palmar wants to explain why does my read on ritoky, regardless of if i am right or wrong, make me mafia. "wrong reasons" is not a reasonable answer.
Again, the argument about Xatalos post is just bullshit and i don't care how he is going to try to push it.
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum. I have never engaged you 1v1 as mafia. If i prove this to be incorrect do you agree you are scum?
I cannot agree I am scum, but feel free to prove me wrong.
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I know that very well, are you again not reading very well?
On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum.
tsk tsk...
I repeat my question, if i prove you have 1v1'd me as scum do you agree you are scum?
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On January 14 2016 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:I know that very well, are you again not reading very well? Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The argument about me thinking he is mafia is also bullshit since this is one of the two ways Palmar approaches me when he is scum. He makes it 1v1 and i am willing to take the challenge. I don't care if i get lynched. If i do, i will make sure the last hours of D1 is me finding every single bit of proof and explaining myself as clearly as possible why he is scum. tsk tsk... I repeat my question, if i prove you have 1v1'd me as scum do you agree you are scum?
yes
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On January 14 2016 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Really Xatalos? Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
I guess so...
VE: I also didn't really like the things ritoky was pushing. It was just the way he posted that made me think he could be town after all. He was so bold and didn't really seem to care what others thought of him. Fits better with a town mindset. This is basically the same thing i said except you used different words...
That "I guess so..." was just referring to your "We'll see" post.
And I don't think it's quite the same thing to say that ritoky was doing boldly whatever he wanted, or that it didn't make sense for scum ritoky to make the association read. It's pretty different actually.
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Here is one game:
Thug Life
Another game is the big game that started after XXX which for some reason is not in the database, where you attacked me straight up from the start of the game (we were even BOTH fucking mafia and i told you in scum QT there is nothing wrong with what i said).
In both situations you failed to read the ACTUAL motivation behind my posts, and think behind the words.
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so instead of looking at a recent game you dig up a very old game with two different mafia families (giving me a completely different mindset than the perfect information available to me as normal scum), and another one where I WAS FUCKING MAFIA WITH YOU (I do not remember this one).
How either of those are relevant is beyond me.
Your efforts are laughable. You try to discredit me and it only makes me stronger. I'm the fucking Donald Trump of mafia.
Get rekt.
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EPT
