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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:18 Xatalos wrote: I don't think that's necessarily the case... Like I explained, there are reasons why it would benefit him to say that in either case. That's your conclusion. I disagree with it. Because i don't remember a similar case where i would have been wrong. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:17 Palmar wrote: Actually, four different things. There is no way he thinks I'm mafia when I'm bringing up thoughtful, insightful analysis to the thread. It's original research that is creating a ton of useful discussion, and yet he thinks I'm mafia for it. I think people will soon be getting the grim picture this paints of rayn. See here again... Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too... It works in both ways! IT'S LIKE MAGIC! | ||
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Xatalos
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:22 Xatalos wrote: Do you really think Palmar is scum, rayn? Or did you just vote "out of spite"? haha yes i think he is scum. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:13 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + Good luck with that. Try the "worldwide overpopulation" argument, and if/when that fails try the "the world is a dark and depraved place and you don't want to bring another child here" argument. If both fail then your wife has no soul and you're doomed to have more babies. Can you explain in further detail your read on Trfel? On January 14 2016 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: not really. I'd rather see you reconsider your read on Trfel based on what i said about his meta, since that's what your scumread on him is based on. pretty much this is the read: i was mafia with trfel and town when he was mafia both recently. both times he came into the thread hot and focused on 1 particular issue in particular and got town reads because of it. in the most recent game where he was town he was much more mild and weak immediately upon entry. so from just that recent play perspective he is currently more mafia sided. the other reason i made the read is i basically made some bullshit read on him last game that misrepresented a lot of his play and was just a load of turd. he corrected me saying his meta as mafia is far more aggro particularly early, he came in immediately somewhat aggro so i wanted to call him mafia and see how he carries it as opposed to last game where i bs'd him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: See here again... Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too... It works in both ways! IT'S LIKE MAGIC! You are blatantly misrepresenting my point. You can disagree with me, but you should not think I'm mafia (ie: vote) me because of it. Like this is probably the most obvious instance of you intentionally trying to deceive the thread. What I actually said: "Rayn should be calling me mafia even if he disagrees, because my points are good" What you're trying to convince people I said "Rayn shouldn't disagree with me, because my points are good". It's subtle, but it's 100% accurate. Nailed you scum  | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
i realize that this is a massive case of projection, but w/e. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Xatalos
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
also why are you defending me btw? last i remember your read on me wasn't particularly good on day 1, i figured you'd be more hesitant. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
Dunno how rayn is so sure about Palmar being scum either. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:33 Xatalos wrote: Aren't you a bit too sure about rayn, Palmar? I don't think you can be that sure based on that evidence. Dunno how rayn is so sure about Palmar being scum either. + Show Spoiler [pssst] + I'm not 100% sure, but when pushing a case it helps acting relatively confident to build support rayn on the other hand has realized he needs to OMGUS me. I am too good to not notice if he starts talking about other people now. I will be able to make associative alignment calls so easily. So his only real option is to try to turn things around on me. It's a smart play. It's not gonna work, but it's still the smartest play when he gets caught red handed like this. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:24 Palmar wrote: You are blatantly misrepresenting my point. You can disagree with me, but you should not think I'm mafia (ie: vote) me because of it. Like this is probably the most obvious instance of you intentionally trying to deceive the thread. What I actually said: "Rayn should be calling me mafia even if he disagrees, because my points are good" What you're trying to convince people I said "Rayn shouldn't disagree with me, because my points are good". It's subtle, but it's 100% accurate. Nailed you scum That is not what i am saying at all. I am suggesting your points on me are just you making my posts fit your invented narrative instead of trying to figure out why i actually post the stuff that i do and why do i make the conclusions i do and from which side it does make sense. You just say half-arsed things like the townread is "wrong" without ever pointing out WHY you think it is wrong, or WHY does me being wrong make me mafia. I don't make "bullshit town cases" on people as mafia, you know that Palmar, you know that very well. Your suggestion that i am mafia -- and ritoky is town, is fucking absurd, because that's not how i play as scum. I would never make that read on town!ritoky if i was mafia, it just doesn't benefit me at all. Just for clarification, this is the read i made on Damdred i talked about earlier, in the last invite game: On December 12 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: In a weird way this posy looks really really townie as it's... "Unclean"... Like i get where Damdred is coming from but if you really look at this post all it says is " greymist and dp are town in my opinion". Eell idk if he inclydes marv in the people whi have posted but i think he doesn't. Basically i would not think Damdred would word his thoughts like this if he was mafia since this wording is more likely to make enemies than saying "greymist and dp are town". Then you have your Xatalos post misrepresentation shit. That doesn't make any sense at all since first of all you didn't even read my further elaboration on it. When people pointed out you are actually approaching the situation with false premises, instead of taking this into account and re-thinking your stance on the original accusation -- you make a stretch on saying "well you did that first, now you are just covering up when it didn't fly" which is literally just bull-fucking-shit. IT is pretty fucking clear that's NOT what i did, nor is it anything i would EVER do. Furthermore you add "oh he also misrepresented Ace" which i have literally NEVER EVER done. And now, now you are saying i should conclude that your analysis are "thoughtful and insightful", and if i don't then i am ALSO mafia for that. No Palmar, your analysis are not thoughtful nor are they insightful. They are half-arsed and you are scum for it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:32 ritoky wrote: i do hear you about the looking for town versus pushing an agenda shit though rayn. also why are you defending me btw? last i remember your read on me wasn't particularly good on day 1, i figured you'd be more hesitant. I am giving out a read. I think you are town. I don't wanna lynch townies nor do i wanna consider townies as lynch targets. I'd rather talk about scum instead. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
be back soon. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is not what i am saying at all. I am suggesting your points on me are just you making my posts fit your invented narrative instead of trying to figure out why i actually post the stuff that i do and why do i make the conclusions i do and from which side it does make sense. No, that's NOT what you said, what you said was: On January 14 2016 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too... Which is precisely what I said you had. Lies: 1 On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You just say half-arsed things like the townread is "wrong" without ever pointing out WHY you think it is wrong, or WHY does me being wrong make me mafia. I already explained it, it's not the reason ritoky is not mafia. Read before you criticize. Lies: 2 On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't make "bullshit town cases" on people as mafia, you know that Palmar, you know that very well. Lies: 3 Rayn often makes completely insane cases on people (see XXX for example) when he's mafia. On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your suggestion that i am mafia -- and ritoky is town, is fucking absurd, I never said ritoky was town. I said he might be, and if he was, your reasoning was not the reason why. In fact, I was clearly skeptical on his alignment. Lies: 4 On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: because that's not how i play as scum. I would never make that read on town!ritoky if i was mafia, it just doesn't benefit me at all. Sure it benefits you, if you get away with making an easy townread, either on scumbuddy or a townie, that's good for you. Lies: 5 On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then you have your Xatalos post misrepresentation shit. That doesn't make any sense at all since first of all you didn't even read my further elaboration on it. When people pointed out you are actually approaching the situation with false premises, instead of taking this into account and re-thinking your stance on the original accusation -- you make a stretch on saying "well you did that first, now you are just covering up when it didn't fly" which is literally just bull-fucking-shit. IT is pretty fucking clear that's NOT what i did, nor is it anything i would EVER do. This is not true, I was very clear from the beginning what I was saying, which is why VE immediately understood and actually compounded my arguments. Lies: 6 On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Furthermore you add "oh he also misrepresented Ace" which i have literally NEVER EVER done. I explained how you did that it my post about the DOUBLE misrepresentation. Lies: 7 On January 14 2016 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: And now, now you are saying i should conclude that your analysis are "thoughtful and insightful", and if i don't then i am ALSO mafia for that. No Palmar, your analysis are not thoughtful nor are they insightful. They are half-arsed and you are scum for it. This is subjective, I believe people will appreciate my efforts here, but I cannot outright call it a lie, because it's not objectively false like most everything else you've written. Nice job rayn, you're building my case for me. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 14 2016 19:34 Palmar wrote: I'd like to hear both of your thoughts (rit, xat) on that latest development in rayn's dodgy posting. I broke down why he is guilty. considering i thought your read on rayn was a long-con joke for probably 2 pages; i would say i am not particularly convinced. but perhaps your amazing intellect and subtle distinctions are too much for my half asleep 3 am brain. i doubt it. gonna go out on a limb and say that rayn is probably just town for defending me, even though it's the firs time it's ever happened and it sketches me out a bit. only real reason to do something like that as mafia that early is to establish a pocket on me; and i don't think rayn values my town play enough to go out of the way to pocket me there. plus my argument is very self-centered and as has been established in the thread "i give no fucks what anyone says". | ||
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