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On January 20 2016 23:45 Cephiro wrote:
Some tidbits of info: 3 votes on someone does NOT guarantee they're not the king.
I also don't agree that if someone is obviously not king that they necessarily need to be killed, if they're most certainly a valued protector of the kingdom and there is a highly suspect assassin. After all, even if it does seem obvious, mistakes can be made when taking a shot.
and you would say that as an assassin. if the assassin can cross someone off their king list it helps them. if we confirm someone not king then lynch someone else, that's two people not king.
if we lynch the person we've confirmed not king, that's one person not king, plus a possibility that the person we lynch will be the assassin.
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I want to point out that I want to go to bed really early today so votes should be locked in around 4-5 hours from now.
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On January 21 2016 00:42 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 23:45 Cephiro wrote:
Some tidbits of info: 3 votes on someone does NOT guarantee they're not the king.
I also don't agree that if someone is obviously not king that they necessarily need to be killed, if they're most certainly a valued protector of the kingdom and there is a highly suspect assassin. After all, even if it does seem obvious, mistakes can be made when taking a shot.
and you would say that as an assassin. if the assassin can cross someone off their king list it helps them. if we confirm someone not king then lynch someone else, that's two people not king. if we lynch the person we've confirmed not king, that's one person not king, plus a possibility that the person we lynch will be the assassin.
Why would I specifically say that as an assassin?
Of course crossing of someone off their king list is useful for the assassin, that's obvious.
If we "confirm" someone not king and lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin
If we "confirm" someone not king and don't lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin + WIFOM potential
Even if we pretend someone is 100% modconfirmed not king which isn't possible, if it can also be assumed that person is very/extremely likely / "confirmed" a bodyguard, why should we kill a protector of the royal family? I value their patronage quite a fair bit you know.
While keeping the King's identity secret, we're supposed to lynch the assassin, not lynch every "not king".
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On January 21 2016 01:27 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 00:42 nooniansoong wrote:On January 20 2016 23:45 Cephiro wrote:
Some tidbits of info: 3 votes on someone does NOT guarantee they're not the king.
I also don't agree that if someone is obviously not king that they necessarily need to be killed, if they're most certainly a valued protector of the kingdom and there is a highly suspect assassin. After all, even if it does seem obvious, mistakes can be made when taking a shot.
and you would say that as an assassin. if the assassin can cross someone off their king list it helps them. if we confirm someone not king then lynch someone else, that's two people not king. if we lynch the person we've confirmed not king, that's one person not king, plus a possibility that the person we lynch will be the assassin. Why would I specifically say that as an assassin? Of course crossing of someone off their king list is useful for the assassin, that's obvious. If we "confirm" someone not king and lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin If we "confirm" someone not king and don't lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin + WIFOM potential Even if we pretend someone is 100% modconfirmed not king which isn't possible, if it can also be assumed that person is very/extremely likely / "confirmed" a bodyguard, why should we kill a protector of the royal family? I value their patronage quite a fair bit you know. While keeping the King's identity secret, we're supposed to lynch the assassin, not lynch every "not king".
In the second case it = 2 dead bodyguard because the person we lynch will be another confirmed body guard.
Anyway I have another question. Why did you claim king when koshi had already claimed... What was the value in your counterclaim?
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I wanted a vote count so i did one myself
1. Koshi - ceph
2. Cephiro - noon
3. nooniansoong ceph
4. sicklucker sylencia
5. Sylencia sicklucker
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On January 21 2016 01:40 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 01:27 Cephiro wrote:On January 21 2016 00:42 nooniansoong wrote:On January 20 2016 23:45 Cephiro wrote:
Some tidbits of info: 3 votes on someone does NOT guarantee they're not the king.
I also don't agree that if someone is obviously not king that they necessarily need to be killed, if they're most certainly a valued protector of the kingdom and there is a highly suspect assassin. After all, even if it does seem obvious, mistakes can be made when taking a shot.
and you would say that as an assassin. if the assassin can cross someone off their king list it helps them. if we confirm someone not king then lynch someone else, that's two people not king. if we lynch the person we've confirmed not king, that's one person not king, plus a possibility that the person we lynch will be the assassin. Why would I specifically say that as an assassin? Of course crossing of someone off their king list is useful for the assassin, that's obvious. If we "confirm" someone not king and lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin If we "confirm" someone not king and don't lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin + WIFOM potential Even if we pretend someone is 100% modconfirmed not king which isn't possible, if it can also be assumed that person is very/extremely likely / "confirmed" a bodyguard, why should we kill a protector of the royal family? I value their patronage quite a fair bit you know. While keeping the King's identity secret, we're supposed to lynch the assassin, not lynch every "not king". In the second case it = 2 dead bodyguard because the person we lynch will be another confirmed body guard. Anyway I have another question. Why did you claim king when koshi had already claimed... What was the value in your counterclaim?
Uh, wtf? The person up for lynch if they're confirmed not king doesn't mean they're necessarily assassin. That means we can hit the assassin just as well lynching outside of that person. I don't understand how the hell you make it up to 2 dead bodyguards? As it could also be a well-versed play to make the first person look like a bodyguard while actually being a king.
Lynching a bodyguard is never a benefit, we should always aim to lynch the assassin only, even if they're already sure one person is not the king.
I claimed because either no-one or all should claim in the optimal scenario. With some people claiming and some not, the assassin has to first decide if they think the King is claiming King or hiding by not claiming. After deciding that, they have to go through the pool of people that have taken that decision. With Koshi claiming, the pools were 1 King to 4 Nonclaimers. After me claiming, the pools were 2 Kings to 3 nonclaimers.
If there was only 1 person in a category, the assassin has one less choice to make. More choices to be made = More potential for mistakes. By causing both possibilities to have at least 2 options, I've forced the assassin to make two separate choices, where both "checks" have a chance of fail.
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Also with more claims there will be more reactions to the separate claims, which in this setup is usually more favoured for the royalty to gain information on who the assassin is, rather than giving the assassin information who the king is.
That is, if the bodyguards and the king aren't being extremely stupid about how they claim and react to the claims.
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Day 2 Votecount
Cephiro (2): nooniansoong, Koshi
nooniansoong (1): Koshi, Cephiro
sicklucker (1): Sylencia
Sylencia (1): sicklucker
Koshi (0): nooniansoong
Day ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). At that time, the player with most votes will be lynched.
Voting is mandatory and is done in thread.
Be aware that the TL countdown sync with your local computer, not with TL servers; it might not be accurate.
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On January 21 2016 01:54 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 01:40 nooniansoong wrote:On January 21 2016 01:27 Cephiro wrote:On January 21 2016 00:42 nooniansoong wrote:On January 20 2016 23:45 Cephiro wrote:
Some tidbits of info: 3 votes on someone does NOT guarantee they're not the king.
I also don't agree that if someone is obviously not king that they necessarily need to be killed, if they're most certainly a valued protector of the kingdom and there is a highly suspect assassin. After all, even if it does seem obvious, mistakes can be made when taking a shot.
and you would say that as an assassin. if the assassin can cross someone off their king list it helps them. if we confirm someone not king then lynch someone else, that's two people not king. if we lynch the person we've confirmed not king, that's one person not king, plus a possibility that the person we lynch will be the assassin. Why would I specifically say that as an assassin? Of course crossing of someone off their king list is useful for the assassin, that's obvious. If we "confirm" someone not king and lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin If we "confirm" someone not king and don't lynch them = 1 dead bodyguard or assassin + WIFOM potential Even if we pretend someone is 100% modconfirmed not king which isn't possible, if it can also be assumed that person is very/extremely likely / "confirmed" a bodyguard, why should we kill a protector of the royal family? I value their patronage quite a fair bit you know. While keeping the King's identity secret, we're supposed to lynch the assassin, not lynch every "not king". In the second case it = 2 dead bodyguard because the person we lynch will be another confirmed body guard. Anyway I have another question. Why did you claim king when koshi had already claimed... What was the value in your counterclaim? Uh, wtf? The person up for lynch if they're confirmed not king doesn't mean they're necessarily assassin. That means we can hit the assassin just as well lynching outside of that person. I don't understand how the hell you make it up to 2 dead bodyguards? As it could also be a well-versed play to make the first person look like a bodyguard while actually being a king. Lynching a bodyguard is never a benefit, we should always aim to lynch the assassin only, even if they're already sure one person is not the king. I claimed because either no-one or all should claim in the optimal scenario. With some people claiming and some not, the assassin has to first decide if they think the King is claiming King or hiding by not claiming. After deciding that, they have to go through the pool of people that have taken that decision. With Koshi claiming, the pools were 1 King to 4 Nonclaimers. After me claiming, the pools were 2 Kings to 3 nonclaimers. If there was only 1 person in a category, the assassin has one less choice to make. More choices to be made = More potential for mistakes. By causing both possibilities to have at least 2 options, I've forced the assassin to make two separate choices, where both "checks" have a chance of fail.
its acualy optimul to stop posting and just lynch that person (ticktock). If we spew shit and stuff then ya we may as well vote who we think is the assin.
But if even ticktock had only the slimmest of chance its better to stop talking lynch him and move on. Because sometimes we hit the assasin and we lose nothing because assasin would never target him
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No it's not optimal to stop posting and lynch someone just because they're confirmed not king.
If we're confident that we're about to hit the assassin? Sure.
Otherwise? Hell no.
Even if the one up for lynch happens to be a bodyguard, that's +1 person that can still give his thoughts on stuff and help in finding the assassin. If no-one talks and it's a bodyguard lynch, we're in the same situation but with less time and less thoughts.
This game is just as much about finding the Assassin as it is about hiding the King. I prefer overloading the assassin with as much information as possible, rather than keeping it to zero. While you could call it pretty even, I personally think it's easier to pinpoint the assassin in a surplus of information, than for the assassin to pinpoint the king.
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Anyway I'm going to do this:
##unvote
##vote: Sylencia
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On January 21 2016 02:16 Cephiro wrote:
No it's not optimal to stop posting and lynch someone just because they're confirmed not king.
If we're confident that we're about to hit the assassin? Sure.
Otherwise? Hell no.
Even if the one up for lynch happens to be a bodyguard, that's +1 person that can still give his thoughts on stuff and help in finding the assassin. If no-one talks and it's a bodyguard lynch, we're in the same situation but with less time and less thoughts.
This game is just as much about finding the Assassin as it is about hiding the King. I prefer overloading the assassin with as much information as possible, rather than keeping it to zero. While you could call it pretty even, I personally think it's easier to pinpoint the assassin in a surplus of information, than for the assassin to pinpoint the king.
yes it is the whole point of the game is to lynch the assasin without giving him information. If we leave ticktock in there is just more chance of spew at the same time if ticktock is the assassin he would have no hope to figure out who the king is. And thats why killing ticktock was the play
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And if he's not the assassin? We've wasted a bunch of time and lack the opinion of a bodyguard which is impossible to get anymore.
We're not going to find the assassin with no information either. It's easy to just overload the assassin with information, as the royalty has a multiplied capacity for processing information.
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NO time was wasted just pretend your 24 hours in the future. and his opinion was just as likely to tell the assasin who the king was then not.
Anyway its not important anymore. I think your not a better lynch because your taking a strong (incorrect) stance
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Like unless people are completely stupid, saying who the true King is doesn't really happen in a way where the assassin can make anything out of it.
There are certain dumb slips which can be made, but how is the assassin ever going to tell if it was a real slip or a fake slip? Especially if the person doing it realizes it afterward, following up as necessary and all other supporters of royalty including the leader themselves play it off correctly.
As you can see, Koshi is not dead, I'm not dead, Sylencia is not dead...
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Cephiro is trying so hard.... Can't see him as assassin tbh. Why are we voting him Kush? Jeezus this is so bad.
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##unvote
##vote: Sylencia
imo there are only 2 options for King. But hey. Wifom is real bois. Probably only 1...
If the Assassin has any balls he shoots today.
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On January 21 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote:
Cephiro is trying so hard.... Can't see him as assassin tbh. Why are we voting him Kush? Jeezus this is so bad.
why wouldn't the assassin try hard... you make zero sense.
We are voting him because he's in the shadows hiding d1. d2 he discusses nai shit. and he cced you for no reason.
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On January 21 2016 03:38 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote:
Cephiro is trying so hard.... Can't see him as assassin tbh. Why are we voting him Kush? Jeezus this is so bad. why wouldn't the assassin try hard... you make zero sense. We are voting him because he's in the shadows hiding d1. d2 he discusses nai shit. and he cced you for no reason.
Do you even read the thread? Stop with that insane amount of sheer ignorance. I explained my CC, it's not my fault if you don't have the eyes or understanding to read it.
How was I hiding D1? I took part when I was available just fine. Funny how you claim that I was hiding when we had Sylencia who was away for pretty much the whole cycle, only to leave an RNG vote and return just before deadline w/o changing a thing.
What useful things are you doing may I ask?
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