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On January 07 2016 20:06 Eden1892 wrote: Under the vig role, it says that if your target dies before you get a chance to shoot, you keep the bullet. Under what circumstances might this clause apply? Vig kp is after Mafia so if they shoot the same player you do? | ||
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GGTemp, I also wonder what you meant when you said in that first paragraph. Irrelevant or not. | ||
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Easy town reads Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning. Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him. Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone. the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable. I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread. | ||
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On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote: I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do ##Vote tubesock His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] + On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote: This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] + says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again. ---- Line of scumminess --- kmatt: baby come back VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation ---- Line of towniness --- noon boxer koshi ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield. sloosh ---- Line of more-towniness --- darth eden rayn There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now. My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. | ||
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Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical. mderg because of TONE HA! Yes, my 3 lynch possiblities are GiygaS then Boxerfred/Kmatt (essentially plynches). | ||
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Vayne, I liked his certainty. Many already pointed it out. What I didn't like was that I thought he was exaggerating about Sloosh and how Sloosh was nitpicking and something else. I didn't see it at all. He does have a reputation to be completely useless D1 but then solve the game or be a powerhouse on D3 though. So there's that. Ggtemplar, I'm going to keep marinating on. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:48 Koshi wrote: Can you tell me why you townread Sloosh earlier? I liked the post he did where you said he overexplained. I think the threshold for mafia overexplaining is a bit higher and what he did was pointing out that he is trying to place himself in other peoples perspective to see their motivation and agenda. I also liked his reactions. And I also don't think that he was trying to reach for reasons to scum someone. Felt like to me he's unsure because it was less than 12 hours into the game. | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:28 Eden1892 wrote: As someone who is currently voting you and is quite interested in lynching you today, how would you explain the above to me to be coming from a townie instead? Being conscious of the problems with your play thus far makes me more inclined to kill you, rather than less (as I figure was the intended effect) -- I'm not really impressed with the "X is scummy because he called me scummy for ABC reasons, when you should be scumreading me for XYZ reasons" argument, I'd rather just kill you for XYZ (and maybe ABC) and sort out X later. You're missing my point. Sloosh got it in his post. If a towny reads someones list post and they are basically the same, but he thinks that person is mafia anyway, he's going to use different reasons to scum them. GiygaS didn't mention your concerns, Rayne or Koshi's statements and what they may have meant. No GiygaS cites my weird townread post. He cites Darthfoley's case which you can infer is the most important reasoning for him which is a two point case. 1- my easy tr of 2 contested players and 2- vague tone and a weird phrase read. The guy has the exact same reads as I do. Yet, that is exactly what he cites to scum me. Not the zillion other things you could probably come up with. | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote: I understand the point you're making. I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself. Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote? Then if you are unwilling to think about it more then you shouldn't. Why do you think he's town? Tell me exactly how a town would ever use weird town reads to scum someone when they have the same reads and there are plenty of other reasons to scum that person? How is that possible? You think I'm going to bus my teammate so I can live instead of him? | ||
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Town reads Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town? | ||
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On January 10 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote: I didn't say I was unwilling to think about it. I don't get why you're being antagonistic with someone whose mind is open to not killing you, but I'd like you to stop. I thought he was town because I thought his entrance was solid. Just going to quote myself on it: That said, I'd certainly acknowledge that GiygaS had a significant drop-off in thread interaction since then, which weakens the read to some extent. In tandem with your argument (which I think is reasonable), it's enough to give me pause. I'm going to decline answering the rest of your questions for now, because I can think of a reason why town!GiygaS would do that, but I'm not going to fill that answer in for him. He'll have to explain himself without me giving him a freeroll. GiygaS: What do you mean when you say that Tubesock's townreads were weird? Why do you think they're weird when your views seem to be very similarly aligned to his? Don't mean to be antagonistic. Apologies. From my perspective it didn't appear you were at all willing to think about what I was writing. And it didn't help that I think your reasons were not very solid to town him. Anyway, rereading his filter I don't see town in it. His reads to me seem pretty shaky and go with thread sentiment. | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically this post comes down to: - "My reads are essentially the same as GiygaS' yet he scumreads me for it." - Rest of the post is inventing a narrative and then finding reasons to fit it. You don't get it. There are lots of worlds where someone scumreads a player for having the same reads as them. Copying, buddying whatever. GiygaS scums me for sharing his worldview. Tell me Rayne, can you think of a possibility where you were town, read someones tr post and then scummed them because they are weird yet you agree with them? You are not scumming the person for copying or buddying or being a lurker or anything, that it is because of his reads? He's not saying it's weird our reads are the same. He's saying my reads are weird, thus scummy. He cited weird reads because it was already pointed out and accepted that I have weird reads by the major players. So, his point would be accepted and I'd be easily lynched. | ||
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On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. | ||
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On January 10 2016 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said your reads were weird because you called them easy townreads. Who cares if they are easy or not? Do you give a shit if someone comes up with the same read as you in a very difficult way? They're easy because they were my first and early. | ||
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I like that line of thinking. But I also think Koshi's play was within his mafia range. I didn't ask him because I think I can just watch Koshi awhile and see since I can count on him being active. | ||
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On January 10 2016 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the quote above is wrong why did you write it? I have a really really really really hard time seeing why someone.. anyone.. would EVER call himself, any of his posts, scummy. It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all because if you are town IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN MAKE SCUMMY POSTS. Last time someone did this we lynched him and he flipped mafia. I care if they are easy or not, and everyone else should aswell. "because they were my first and early" doesn't really count as an answer since you made the post after 24hours into the game. Like what are you saying? You don't re-consider your reads at all? If they were early reads why didn't you point out those guys in your opinion are town earlier? Why did you have to wait such a long time instead of trying to move the town into right track and removing mafia possibilities if those reads were easy from the beginning? That's an absolutely absurd thing to say that a towny has never said that their posting looks scummy. There's a fuckign game going on right now where a BLUE fucking basically said this and was lynched. Yeah, NEVER EVER oh wait... You're thinking that a judgement on a player is constantly a fixed position. That you can't town someone a little bit, not be compelled to say it for many reasons, and that as the game goes on longer that that read doesn't move. You're also not considering that statistically people have pretty low % rates for being right, and that maybe I was happy with seeing more from people. Frankly, I think there is a very small percentage of correct reads from D1. You just don't have any information. As far as Noon. Well, to me it looked like he saw koshi post, and posted his question before he really thought about it. Later (minutes hours who knows) and came to his conclusion. | ||
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He took the one that was most widely accepted. Rayne, in what world would you see someone post the same reads as you (before you posted) and go well dude said "easy" so he's scum! Instead of ...wait a minute, hey Tube why are they easy? What's easy mean? | ||
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It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior. | ||
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On January 10 2016 21:40 mderg wrote: The quote doesn't say you're scum, though. It shows why people should/could have scumread you. Ok. So semantics then. What is your question? | ||
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I feel like I've answered this question twice. I don't think I'm understanding what you are actually getting at. | ||
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On January 10 2016 22:01 mderg wrote: Let's take the way I saw the quote. Then, was that quote right or wrong? Uh It would be a pretty logical case. And I don't fault anyone for casing me on those points. Hell, if GiygaS did I wouldn't have anything to argue with at all. So, sure it could be right. Now what? | ||
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On January 10 2016 23:54 Koshi wrote: I read everything once fast. Going to do some sports and come back. Tubesock, Explain to me how you are playing different than the last game in which you were scum? If I recall, you were also afk for the longest time, and then you came out the gates swinging with a case on Rels. Bit the same like here with Giygas. What is different? Good question. And I'm taking it as a compliment since I think you towned me there. These two games are pretty different situations for me though. Last game I was not ever really scum read until the end. At least not scum read enough to feel threatened. I'm also pretty sure I struck first on Rels. The case I made on him I really believed. When I'm mafia I triple check every post and make sure there is a corresponding quote I can link for everything I say. I think you could argue that last game I was overexplainy (Ritoky made a post about someone being overexplainers anonymous so I started to focus on that too). I'd be shocked if you can find a post that contradicts itself in that game though. Or a read swap on someone without reasons showing transition. Early posts I made sure I didn't have too many tr's (how Rels caught and killed me in the game prior to that) without any scum reads and that I shouldn't go very long without throwing out a read. I don't really know how or why you should differentiate my game here and the last one. My AFKness should be NAI. I do not have internet access while I work. And due to my schedule it explains why I only get to play a game every couple of months. Much of the time there is a very real mod kill threat. Which is part of why I conceded last game. I was going to be mod killed 3 days after I conceded and I needed 5 or something to win. I guess a lot of this questioning I'm getting I don't understand. My entire point is that GiygaS literally did something that town would NEVER do. It's more than just scumreading me. that's not what my point is. It's how and why he did. If he were town, he'd still scum me, but there is no fucking world that exists where town scums me with his reasonings and his world view. Tell me how that's possible? | ||
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On January 11 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote: No. giygas is not mafia. Do you know how much time there was between the 2 posts from Giygas? It is possible to at first think something is odd but then agree with it later. Why isn't he mafia? I totally get that it's possible to be "that's weird" and then mull it over and think something else. What two posts are you talking about? I'm talking about his singular post where he cases me. | ||
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On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote: VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening. Kush is a terrible lynch. Giygas is just not mafia. Tubesock is fucking hard to read. I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though. Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon. I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile. | ||
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On January 11 2016 00:44 Koshi wrote: The post in which he says that the townreads are odd and then the post in which he calls the same people town. Or was that one post? It was 1 post. | ||
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2. If you are townreading me because I'm saying I'm scummy and nothing else then you are bad. You're not reading what I wrote or trying to understand what I'm actually saying. 3. Obviously, I need to explain my case further since the vast majority of you guys don't understand. Take Darthfoley's worldview. He sees my read post, and sees that 2 of my reads don't jive with his and I say they were easy which is like doubly bad. It's perfectly reasonable for him to have cased me like he did and what he said matches what his worldview looked like according to his filter. Now pretend you are in a random game. Player A says I read these 4 people like so easy. You share these reads but disagree with the "easy" part. Otherwise apparently the guy is "null". Do you A) Scum him and elevate him to the top of your scumpile then vote or B) make him clarify his reads specifically the "easy" part. C) maybe you think he's scum, but you're going to cite his reads instead of the real reasons you think he's scum. GiygaS is mafia because his reads are fabricated. Him not being aware of how they match mine shows he's not invested in his own reads much to recognize our similiarities. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's very fucking simple. Town people try to help town and at least they think they are trying to help town. Tubesock basically claims he wasn't trying to do that at all the first 24h of the game. You exaggerate again. I never said once that I wasn't trying anything. You also haven't answered my question about GiygaS. You haven't considered my points on him at all. You just picked on the periphery of what I said and then tried to latch on to why my Nooniansoong read is bad. You tried to say Noon "literally said it didn't go down like that" and then Noon later said it did. You town GiygaS for his entrance. He immediately blue hunted and speculated setup. You didn't tr Koshi for doing the same thing? Why? You town GiygaS for finding a discrepancy in Koshi's OP reading skills but even say that it's NAI and only says Koshi didn't read the OP as either alignment. Yet, you scum Nooniansoong for making a question that had no purpose even though in your post on him you show that he gained a townread on it. So, it was productive. Yet, GiygaS asked a pointless question leading really no where but you town him? My admitting my 3 posts were scummy is meant to show that GiygaS's read is fabricated. You say that having hte right reads and WHY you have the right reads is also important (why it's ok for GiygaS to scum me for the same reads but because they were "easy"). Well, my point is that GiygaS' "why" doesn't match or align in the world he sees thus he's fabricating. Fabricating is scummy as fuck. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:52 slOosh wrote: I guess I empathize with Tubesock because I could totally see myself doing the same thing. But I don't think Tubesock did quite what you guys are saying. He is highlighting the fact that the reason GiygaS joined the vote wagon was out of place - that GiygaS was citing easy townreads. The place where Tubesock says that he should have used other points about himself is to say that in contrast with what could have been said, GiygaS instead chose to say something really fishy. Like a scum making up some lame excuse to join the bandwagon. Ding ding ding. Yes. Exactly. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do. This is correct. This isn't what happened. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:49 darthfoley wrote: Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town" instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue You completely and totally miss my point on GiygaS. | ||
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When you question someone, you look at the "why" of their reasonings right? How does GiygaS's "why" match what he thinks? | ||
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On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do ##Vote tubesock His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler + mderg: says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again. ---- Line of scumminess --- kmatt: baby come back VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation ---- Line of towniness --- noon boxer koshi ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield. sloosh ---- Line of more-towniness --- darth eden rayn There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now. this is what happened. Where did he question my reads or their ease? I think a town would have done that. GiygaS went straight to I'm scummiest, voted and said I am half of his lynch targets. | ||
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Noon looks the same as in Nutcracker. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am 100% going to vote for Tubesock if i can't get people on kush. Might as well cahnge now, Noon lynch isn't happening. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:41 slOosh wrote: Tubesock, could you give some updated reads on people who are not GiygaS? I'm not sure if trying to rehash it is the best way forward. Boxer is totally worthless. I have zero reason to think VA is town, but I have reason that he might be beneficial to town (old crappy meta). I don't really like Rayne right now but that's mostly because I feel he's not trying to read me and OMGUS. Kmatt is getting modkilled anyway so who cares about him. I have townreads of varying strengths on everyone else. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Neither is GiygaS so your vote is completely useless aswell. You are not even trying to get people on him. Fucking these guys are scum. These both guys, kush and this dude are mafia. It's literally all I've done this morning and last night. You think me saying he's mafia isn't trying to get him lynched? What? | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote: Unless i've missed it, Tubesock hasn't provided any reads on anyone outside of GiygaS, excluding the initial early "reads" who deemed to be scummy. He's spent the last day repeating the same argument for only one person. Like what? On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote: I've added Darthfoley and mderg to my townpile. Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical. mderg because of TONE HA! Yes, my 3 lynch possiblities are GiygaS then Boxerfred/Kmatt (essentially plynches). | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:50 Eden1892 wrote: Hi guys, work got out way late today. Not making it to a computer before EOD and certainly not catching up. Someone do me a solid and give a tldr for boxerfred being the lynch over either of giygas or tube sock please. Don't particularly mind it, but would like to understand the development. TIA. Boxer is worthless basically. People don't want to vote GiygaS because they think he's town from early posts and I'm too scummy and hard to read to be town. Plus, I'm meta selfaware when town shouldn't be or something. And my reaction to GiygaS's post should be basically OMGUS which in that argument I should have done the same to Darthfoley, Rayne, you, Koshi, etc | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk. I don't know why he didn't vote for his counter-wagon. There should be no reason to not. There is. But you don't deserve the answer. | ||
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Hahaha I am not mad at all | ||
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Am I wrong and thinking there were only 2 wagons? Boxerfred and myself? Despite being tied at 2, no one was willing to move to GiygaS and that seemed pretty obvious. Rayne said he'd jump back on me if Noon didn't happen which would have tied me up again or even would have lynched me if he waited on changing his vote. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:36 scott31337 wrote: Yeah Tube says Boxer is his second lynch but never votes for him. Giygas throwing out a free townread for Boxer without explanation is pretty bad too. ## Mafia: Boxerfred / Giygas / Tubesock - can't be that easy right?  Uhhh you actually think Giygas and I can be mafia together? | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:48 scott31337 wrote: Because I made that list while I was reading and wanted to get my thoughts out after joining before - I didn't completely update it. ok good. Secondly, do you really think GiygaS and I can be mafia together? | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:54 scott31337 wrote: You said Boxer was your second lynch but never voted for him - I do not believe he posted since that post you made - Could you explain your reasoning? Boxer was a policy lynch for me. I stated it in my reads and only said he was worthless. WIFOM I also didn't care if I died so I decided not to vote to save myself. You didn't answer my question. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:30 scott31337 wrote: My list I've made so far (1=conf scum to 7=conf town) 1. GiygaS - He's got a lot of one-liners in here - It's more "I see scummier" - 3.75 2. Eden1892 - He hates scum, and is playing like he's town as well - 5.75 3. slOosh - Defending who I think are mafia, but why vote for mafia when he could get an ML? (vote looks good) ? 4. mderg - looks bad after VCA - will have to see his proccesses - 3 5. Nooniansoong - I dont know baout this guy either - defending mafia peeps as well - 3 7. darthfoley - He def. feels like newb town - with genuine thoughts/etc - 5.5 8. Tubesock - I'm still not caring for him. - 3 9. Koshi - He's giving me light town vibes - He gets more with the scum lynch - 6 10. VayneAuthority - I'm really unsure how to read this guy - but for now I'm trusting Rayn and that he's town, we'll see how he steps it up d2. -4.5 11. GGTeMpLaR - a light townread, but his vote looks great - 5.5 13. Raynpelikoneet - towniest town, Rayn's usual Meta - 6.5 **cut down On January 11 2016 08:48 scott31337 wrote: Because I made that list while I was reading and wanted to get my thoughts out after joining before - I didn't completely update it. Can you elaborate. By looking at the list portion it sure looks like you have several reads in there with VCA, yet you don't adjust the numbers some of which immediately follow the vote statements? Also, what possible scum motivation is there for mderg to jump off someone he was bussing in the last 5 seconds? And how would that at all outweigh the benefits of gaining towncred on a lynch where it was clear no one was moving. Literally there was only 1 person calling for shenanigans and no one really visibly entertaining the idea. | ||
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On January 11 2016 09:59 Tubesock wrote: **cut down Can you elaborate. By looking at the list portion it sure looks like you have several reads in there with VCA, yet you don't adjust the numbers some of which immediately follow the vote statements? + Show Spoiler + Also, what possible scum motivation is there for mderg to jump off someone he was bussing in the last 5 seconds? And how would that at all outweigh the benefits of gaining towncred on a lynch where it was clear no one was moving. Literally there was only 1 person calling for shenanigans and no one really visibly entertaining the idea. Ahem... | ||
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So, you all think I am mafia. Boxerfred flipped Roleblocker. That means mafia preferred to save me instead of him. Which would be insanely dumb if I were goon. So, I would have the horrific bad luck to roll Godfather (framer possible) for the 4th game in a row. | ||
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On January 11 2016 10:12 nooniansoong wrote: tubesock want to share why you are investigate something that was made before he got his role pm? at first I thought his numbers were weird. Specifically, that the ones who voted Boxer were not 7's. Then he responded with well it was a work in progress prior and didn't update. Which at first I thought was fine. but then I reread. 4 of his reads included VCA. But he just said he didn't update. So, he updates the sentence but doesn't bother to update the number? Seems like a lie to me. So, I'd like to hear his explanation. | ||
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On January 11 2016 10:18 nooniansoong wrote: im not scumreading you but it wasn't necessarily mafia's choice which of you to kill. mafia could have had reads they didn't want to be inconsistent on mafia could have not been there EoD I'll buy that. | ||
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Is he town looking for someone to confront him? Or is he mafia blue hunting? WIFOM so scuzzy, if I leaned mafia it would have been scummy. On January 09 2016 09:48 Koshi wrote: boxerfred, don't tell me you will actually try this game? I was hoping to misslynch you. Playing up the scum vibe with the hoping to misslynch you. Again is he town looking for someone to confront (in this case push the thread) or mafia seeing Boxers reaction to see if in fact he could misslynch. Wifom again. Koshi then talks about the OP and setup which I don't like. This talk more often then not benefits mafia not town. They all came to the conclusion that it's best for blues to wait to claim. I didn't like his scum read on SlOosh for overexplaining. I thought he was reaching himself and doing what he was accusing Sloosh of doing. But he was moving the thread, and he's equally liable to be town or mafia so either world there fits. While I town you for your townread on Koshi, I would never town him for that simply because I think there is a world where he's either alignment posting those exact same posts. For the record, my town of Noon is also reinforced by when I read his filter all but like 3 posts have some sort of read, or request for clarification, some thing that indicates to me Noon is reading and thinking about this game. Compare to GiygaS's where like half of them were fluff nothing posts. But you people town Giyg for entering by immediately blue hunting, cause you know mafia would NEVER do that. yeah. | ||
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Is he town looking for someone to confront him? Or is he mafia blue hunting? WIFOM so I labelled scuzzy, if I leaned mafia it would have been labelled scummy. | ||
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I think Raynepelikoneet is his partner.
Here is a sampling of Raynepelikoneet's twisting and exaggerating for dramatic flair (linking quote, quoting relevant parts below): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25286294 On January 10 2016 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand why would you EVER ask something from anyone unless you think the answer they give could make them mafia. On January 10 2016 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So summa summarium.... Noonian asks Koshi something that could indicate Koshi is mafia. Koshi gives him an answer that doesn't help him in any way, and he comes to the conclusion that it is a TOWNTELL?!?!? - so scumtell becomes a towntell because the guy doesn't reasonably explain himself. Rayn's point was supposed to be that Nooniansoong asked a pointless question he shouldn't have because it "doesn't help him in any way". Yet, in the very same paragraph he acknowledges that Noon walked away with a towntell on Koshi. So, in fact Noon's question was productive and that it DID indeed help him. Unless Rayn actually means that in the game of mafia you only look for scum and never other townies. On January 10 2016 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing is this: This post is incredibly fishy because of the following: - He is voting for VayneAuthority as a placeholder - He is voting for VayneAuthority because he did something scummy - He is voting for VayneAuthority because he is a good policy lynch placeholder != scumread != policy lynch There is literally no way VayneAuthority is all that at the same time. Or like... ugh.. how to explain it.. He is making up reasons for voting for VA, since if you scumread someone as town you vote for them because you think they are scum, NOT because they are a "placeholder vote" or "policy lynch". Simply, it is NOT fishy to vote someone who you think is a placeholder, did something scummy and is also a good policy lynch. While I have never done the placeholder bit, placeholding is just a reason for the timing of the vote not the person you are voting. So, why is Rayn adding that to the accusation of "making up reasons for voting for VA"? Cause 3 things look worse than 2. Twisting, exaggerating and "making up reasons". On January 10 2016 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Third point is that was basically all his filter. Here is Nooniansoong filter. Click and read. With the exception of probably 3 posts, every one of them has a read, a question which later gets followed up on, or something else indicating thought or direction. Noon isn't influencial by any means. He doesn't push anything by any means. But you can't tell me that there are only two things of any note in his filter. Let's now look at Rayn's strong townread GiygaS. Count how many posts are "I'm back" or other posts that are complete throwaways. Then there is the vast majority of posts that are defense after I happened. Now you've read both Noon's and GiygaS's filters back to back and freshly. Of the two, it looks to me that Noon's filter is far more productive than GiygaS's. Even if you think GiygaS is town, do you really think GiygaS's filter looks better? Rayn thinks that not only is GiygaS's filter better, but it's really super town and that Noon's is super scum. This doesn't jive. On January 10 2016 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this doesn't make any sense as if you think the green part is correct, then the red part should have never happened in the first place because the conclusion is already there without the question!!! Also Noonian literally said that's NOT how it went down. And what Nooniansoong "literally" said: On January 11 2016 00:40 nooniansoong wrote: I'm confused on the first part what you aren't understanding about the progression of that read. 1. koshi's opening is different 2. i inquire about it 3. koshi gives idgaf answer which in itself is minorly townie 3. i think more about his opening, and figure it's minorly townie, entirely apart from the happenings of 2 and 3 Second point placeholder, plynch and scumlynch don't have to be mutually exclusive, especially early in the game when scumreads are weak. Why do thoes motivates behind voting have to be mutually exclusive? Third point - it's hard for me to get activity in on weekends. So, no the answer/conclusion wasn't already there without the question. In Rayn's world here, he thinks people only need to read a post once, and immediately come to all your conclusions. That defies logic. That is inventing a reason to scum someone. Rayn's been nitpicking Noon to make him look bad because Rayn knows Noon will never be a high impact player, nor will he be able to influence or stop himself from being lynched. Let's look at what Rayn says about Boxer and I. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's 1st list post] + On January 09 2016 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden: GiygaS - town slOosh - scum mderg - town Nooniansoong - town boxerfred - null Tubesock - scum Koshi - town VayneAuthority - town GGTeMpLaR - null Kmatt - null Is there anything we disagree here? I purposely left darthfoley out because you are questioning him and i don't wanna affect that regardless of my read on him. + Show Spoiler [Y SlOosh TR's Box??] + On January 10 2016 10:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Koshi.. i really don't have time today.  I'll look into it again first thing tomorrow. I just don't think VA is scum, but a reminder to myself; Why the fuck does slOosh townread boxerfred? + Show Spoiler [No idea Y Boxer town] + On January 10 2016 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely no idea why boxerfred should be considered town. slOosh's reasoning is pure crap, "asking why people townread the guy he is voting for is a towntell"? lol. I need to re-check what was going on in the thread but it feels like boxerfred is following certain thread sentiments (things i consider being accusations against townies) and ignoring other stuff (accusations i consider being against possible mafia). + Show Spoiler [not certain Tube mafia] + On January 10 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't want to lynch mderg either, mainly because i am not at all certain anymore Tubesock is mafia and he is kinda semi-defending him. Obviously this doesn't mean anything if the case is they are both scum but meh..i just don't feel that's the case here. + Show Spoiler [votes Noon] + On January 10 2016 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote nooniansoong + Show Spoiler [Tube earns eternity vote] + On January 11 2016 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no possible way you think this. No FUCKING way if you are town. ##unvote ##vote Tubesock Good job man, you just earned my vote for eternity. Even if you are town you are mafia. + Show Spoiler + Second of all the case on GiygaS is fucking crap. So fucking crap. If you people can't understand that he is clearly questioning reads WHICH REASONING MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE (since he LITERALLY ONLY TALKS ABOUT THOSE TWO READS) and twist it into some stupid fucking "i had same reads bla bla bullshit" then you are just awful at reading motivation behind posting, or twisting the facts. The fucking fact is he is singling out two reads because the REASONING DOES NOT MAKE SENSE -- AND THERE IS, WAS, AND STILL ISNT ANY REASONING FOR THOSE READS!!!!! It is clear what GiygaS is trying to say -- regardless of how he words it. And Tubesock can't even fucking explain those reads of his while asked multiple times to do that. Then, go ahead and lynch VA then. I don't give any shits. He's not mafia. He is just not mafia and i am using my tomorrow to ask every single person who voted for him these questions: 1) why didn't you read his past games? 2) Why didn't you believe the person who in almost every single game where VA is is the only reason he lives and most likely gets lynched the next day rayn dies because people are fucking awful at reading him? slOosh since you are so on top of your game, especially as you promoted "critical filter reading" based on the nature of the game explain me this: [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia [N] VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Go read these two filters and tell me who are the people VA talks about in these games, 36hours into the game. I mean actually things that are not jokes??? + Show Spoiler [Tubedude is fucking scum] + + Show Spoiler [votes sloosh, team tube/kush] + On January 11 2016 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is a post #286: you are lying, you are mafia. ##unvote ##vote slOosh Here slOosh is telling Eden why Koshi is mafia. But he says he townread Koshi 20 posts before this as per his statement right now. Mafia is slOosh, Tubesock and kush. + Show Spoiler [votes Tube] + On January 11 2016 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: ahh nevermind. yeah that makes sense. ##unvote ##vote Tubesock + Show Spoiler [Box ok lynch, Tube is scum] + On January 11 2016 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: If slOosh is in fact town the mafia should be in the following group: Nooniansoong/boxerfred/Tubesock/Kmatt. Easily. Kmatt is just a coin-flip. I guess people aren't gonna believe me on kush. boxerfred is an okay lynch. Tubesock is scum. + Show Spoiler [Tube is mafia narrative] + On January 11 2016 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Normally people react to the accusations on them the following way: "why the fuck does this guy call me scum? i am town and i am clearly trying to help the town." or even if they are more "sensitive" in a way they produce their posts it's something along the lines of; "okay so i can get why this guy calls me scum. i am not scum though, so i will try to make my best to explain why i said what he scumreads me for". The way Tubesock does it is completely different. First of all he is using his "scummy" (which isn't scummy for him after all?) behavior to promote his case on GiygaS in a shitty way, like "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable". It is hard to explain, the last time this happened many people didn't ever get that... It's like, he is downplaying himself to saying "yes i was playing bad" but at the same time saying he wasn't really playing bad. Fuck.. idk how to explain it. What would your reaction be if i called you scum for any post of yours? (not to even mention Tubesock kinda covered all his filter at that point -- and said HIMSELF he was playing non-optimally). On January 11 2016 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's very fucking simple. Town people try to help town and at least they think they are trying to help town. Tubesock basically claims he wasn't trying to do that at all the first 24h of the game. + Show Spoiler [Tube makes sense? Votes Noon] + On January 11 2016 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again... Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk. ##unvote ##vote Nooniansoong I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town. kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred. I believe kush is the best lynch here. + Show Spoiler [100% Tube Vote] + On January 11 2016 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am 100% going to vote for Tubesock if i can't get people on kush. + Show Spoiler [fucking Tube and Kush R mafia] + On January 11 2016 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Neither is GiygaS so your vote is completely useless aswell. You are not even trying to get people on him. Fucking these guys are scum. These both guys, kush and this dude are mafia. + Show Spoiler [lynching town atm..] + On January 11 2016 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: also we are lynching town atm.. + Show Spoiler [I WANT KUSH LYNCH] + On January 11 2016 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I WANT TO LYNCH KUSH BECAUSE NOONE SHOULD EXPECT HE IS FUCKING TOWN HERE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO AND WHEN HE FLIPS MAFIA I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE FUCKERS EXPLAIN WHY THEY SAY INCORRECT STUFF!!!!! + Show Spoiler [Don't lynch Boxer] + On January 11 2016 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am not gonna switch my vote, just that i can tell you "i told you so". You can lynch me if bf flips scum. But he doesn't, because noone is clearly pushing another lynch except for me. + Show Spoiler [Pleas to lynch Noon] + On January 11 2016 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden1892 vote for kush, he is scum. On January 11 2016 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne too. fucking anyone who has any brain.- + Show Spoiler [Boxer never flip scum] + On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: noone is trying to lynch anyone. everybody is just "okay" with boxerfred being lynched. it's bullshit. he's never gonna flip scum. + Show Spoiler [Tube ISNT VOTING COUNTER!!] + On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: HE ISN'T EVEN VOITNG THE COUNTERWAGON HIMSELF!!!! I stopped quoting spoilers at the lynch. Rayn's read progression on Boxer is Null, then moves to how he has no idea why boxer could be town (but doesn't scum him), on to Boxer is an ok lynch, then "you can lynch me if BF flips scum, but he doesn't", and then Boxer never flips scum here. Rayn's progression on me is scum, to scum, to well not sure he's scum, he's fucking scum, is he making sense, idk?, he's scum for eternity, he's scum even if he's town,scum, he's not voting his counter so he's scum. Rayn's progression on Noon is town, then on the mafia team with me. Looking at his votes and how it landed, it sure looks like Rayn preferred a lynch on Noon/Kush, me, then Boxerfred. Reading his posts and how they were worded, do you think that jives? When I have 2 scumreads that are pretty strong, I don't really care which one dies first. The priority goes to who I can get lynched first. So, uh why the hell would he not push his number 2? He complained that everyone was "okay" with Boxer lynch and pleaded with the thread or anyone who has any brain to move with him. He knew no one was moving to Kush. But there were plenty of people willing to vote me. Koshi and him could have. But why? People would see me flip town and then be very suspicious of GiygaS. He already knows Boxer is useless. As RB or not he's dying very soon. When GiygaS flips red, then D1 VCA will make Rayn look very bad. mafia!rayn can not be on my wagon at the end of the day. 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So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia. I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about. I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg. VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town. | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:28 Eden1892 wrote: As someone who is currently voting you and is quite interested in lynching you today, how would you explain the above to me to be coming from a townie instead? Being conscious of the problems with your play thus far makes me more inclined to kill you, rather than less (as I figure was the intended effect) -- I'm not really impressed with the "X is scummy because he called me scummy for ABC reasons, when you should be scumreading me for XYZ reasons" argument, I'd rather just kill you for XYZ (and maybe ABC) and sort out X later. On January 10 2016 16:37 Eden1892 wrote: It's interesting, a pretty reasonable read. But I would still rather kill Tubesock, as that's the only thing he's posted (as of me typing this) that's left me willing to consider not killing him, and as I already thought GiygaS was pretty solidly town. What do you think? Eden is town because I do not think a mafia would ever make this. Sure, if we were both scum then that's possible. Despite strongly thinking I'm scum, he still made an effort to reevaluate. He is searching for the truth. mafia!Eden would not gain anything from doing this to me. And what he gained out of this is that only 1 of GiygaS or I can be mafia. So, while he's not sold I am town, he is obviously thinking about it and not dismissing it out of hand. you know like Rayn did. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:35 Koshi wrote: Tube. You ever saw a mafia with reads that were so wild & inconsistent? And then not be able to get the lynch off mafia boxerfred while you had 4 votes on you and boxer had 3 votes? Why would he spare you and go to Kush when he knew I would never lynch Kush and would always lynch boxer? Because I will flip town. Then people will really look into GiygaS. GiygaS will flip red. Then Rayn looks extremely bad for defending 2 mafia. Yeah, I get it association reads are bad. But my read on Rayn isn't about association. It's his filter. He constantly exaggerates and nitpicks shit. Instead of figuring out my point of my GiygaS case he dismisses it. He dismisses and misrepresents Noon (which YOU agree to!!!). His actions at eod and his posting don't make sense. Look at Eden at the end of day. Eden and Rayn said about the same things concerning Boxerfred. Box was essentially a null. So Eden didn't really have any reason to oppose that lynch. No reason to defend it either. Rayn tries to shenany to Noon. No one bites, then he doesn't revert back to me? Like his posts all have me. Most his posts have me in the scumteam listed when he's pushing for Noon lynch. His 1 reason to be hesitant on lynching me is that there was 1 thing that I "might make sense, idk" on. Like 1 thing that is obcviously weak since he never took me out of the mafia teams later. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:41 darthfoley wrote: Yea idk why Rayne wouldn't continue the Tubesock wagon when he was up by a vote with less than 2(?) hours to go before the vote. If Rayne were mafia, why would he switch to Noonian when he had a solid wagon on you Tubesock? On January 12 2016 04:11 Tubesock wrote: People would see me flip town and then be very suspicious of GiygaS. He already knows Boxer is useless. As RB or not he's dying very soon. When GiygaS flips red, then D1 VCA will make Rayn look very bad. mafia!rayn can not be on my wagon at the end of the day. But he can do his damndest to get others to lynch me. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:58 mderg wrote: You're just trying to make rayn's play fit into your read with some crazy narrative. I know you didn't read what I wrote since the answer was in my post. So this makes me think you haven't read Rayn's filter and compared it to what he was doing, what he said, what he was saying others said. Is there anyone you know you actually read and tried to get the truth from? | ||
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On January 11 2016 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes this is right. If i am scum i am scum exactly with Tubesock. Then you have to argue why my vote didn't go on GiygaS earlier -- and why did i scumread Tubesock harder than GiygaS from their argument (i didn't really have to, and i actually fucked up a bit there with my reading comprehension -- which i pointed out at some point, and which was the reason i didn't vote Tubesock at the end of the day). You can also argue why i am - -as the most active player in this game -- incapable of realizing the thread sentiment moving to lynching boxerfred from all the people (well i nthis case from my scumbuddy), and why was i okay with it, and why didn't i do anything about it when i had the MOST town capita in the game at that point. So hey, feel free to argue about that. You were pleading for people to move to Nooniansoong so you were trying to move it and no one did so that kind of nullifies your MOST town capita in the game point. You were also most certainly NOT ok with the Boxerfred lynch. | ||
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On January 12 2016 06:56 Tubesock wrote: Darth only really voted me, then unvoted, then revoted me. disregard. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote: I think a cop check on me is wasted. The only thing to really know my alignment is my death. We can afford that. So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia. I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about. I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg. VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town. | ||
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But I did say before, you all should lynch me anyway. | ||
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There are 5 questionable alive people. Me, Noon, Scott, VA, Darth. Like everyone else is essentially confirmed right? So if we are lucky and 1 of them is named VT then we are in an even better situation. Like we can't lose. We can just lynch in that order and town wins even if the last two mafia are VA and Darth. | ||
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Like if I flip red then obviously I'm mindfucking everyone and town shouldn't follow this plan. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:58 darthfoley wrote: I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while. However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS. GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't" I said before you don't get my point I was making. And I got snarky with mderg accidentally because I thought he was you for not reading. You don't get what my case is about. Do you actually have any idea what my point(s) were in my case on GiygaS? You asked about if I posted reads since, and I conveniently responded with one of my quotes. Then you even said "Oh yeah". So, you bringing it up again is pretty shady. | ||
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On January 12 2016 09:20 Koshi wrote: That counts for everybody. Holy fuck. huh? Not everyone has posted. Are you assuming GGtemp, Noon, VA, mderg or SlOosh are named? | ||
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I did think I was a good vig and cop shot. But even as not, I think it's always better to leave a will in case Mafia does something weird. | ||
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On January 12 2016 15:13 slOosh wrote: Nvm I'm still catching up and I missed lots of posts I haven't verbalized my order of reads yet. They are most likely to least: Darthfolley - is who I'm voting. I have nothing new to add to this one. I do strongly think todays lynch needs to be him or I. Next is Scott31337. his posts were off, I already asked him a bit on them. I have seen probably 4 or 5 people do a post and get replaced after only doing 1 post and I think all but 1 were mafia. In my 2nd game ever Scott actually replaced a player who made 2ish posts and entered Newbie Mini Mafia LX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 (year old game) In that game it's a nice looking list post that had a quote from everyplayer that represented his "read" . Kinda like how he used numbers to make his list post even prettier entering here. It's kinda WIFOMy I know but since it's his only real content and he's refused to answer 2 or 3 of my questions it's all that is available. Noon - I think he's town, but he hasn't done anything that a mafia wouldn't ever do, and Rayn NK implicates him. (as it does me) VA I guess. But his case was secks. By the time we get to lynching Noon at the soonest (like 8 days?) there will/should be sooo much more information that we can make better decisions on the lynches. That's IF I am not lynched. That would add 3 more days I think. The only way I will be removed as a ? is if we lynch framer, mafia derp shoots nonGiygaS, and he redchecks someone. I have no idea how to remove the ? but my plan is to thought dump. So, town will have to figure out if it is possible/probable I was framed or I'm try hard mafia. | ||
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slOosh is Town. First to vote, votes Koshi. slOosh then moves onto VayneAuthority after slOosh and Koshi hug it out and Vayne says he prefers to lynch someone else then votes slOosh. slOosh makes it clear he'll go to Boxer and then does before even Koshi does. He went to Boxer when I still had 4 on me and it was 2:2 boxer/giygas. If you think I will flip red then this shows he saved me over Boxer and killed our roleblocker instead of GiygaS. Tinfoil that he forsaw Boxer switch and wanted town credit. But after I flip green, this clears him 100%. His read progression on wagons and his votes: (GiygaS, me, Boxerfred, VayneAuthority): + Show Spoiler [VA scums slOosh too much] + On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote: Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more. GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player. Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. No one else has too much for me. + Show Spoiler [Scums me and VA 4 lurkee profile] + On January 10 2016 02:46 slOosh wrote: Ok so I think it's a fair assessment to say that thus far in this game, I have been receiving the most flak. There's been some other things here and there, but not quite the same level as the attention to me. Additionally, I would say that the general vibe thus far is quite good. There is a good atmosphere for discussion, people are talking and explaining instead of shouting / attacking. So I would say that I expect mafia playstyle (in this context right now) to look more laid back, non intrusive and perhaps adding some fuel to the slOosh lynch wagon to make sure it goes through. Who fits this bill? mderg - I read him as detached from thread. I'm one of the biggest topics at this point and he has yet to say anything about me. He only posted when prompted and doesn't look interested in helping people figure things out. Tubesock - rayn pointed out his complaint of something that had not happened yet. Scum complain about things without doing anything to help. He is lurking hard so tough to say more, but in this context, scum would be more likely to lurk. VayneAuthority - hasn't produced any posts outside of getting suspicion on me - fits the bill of getting the D1 mislynch secured without putting more effort than necessary Will answer GGTemplar's list next. + Show Spoiler [towns Boxer, with bonus Darth find] + On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote: I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster". Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi is town. + Show Spoiler [scumlist mderg VA Tube] + + Show Spoiler [VA secondary lynch target] + On January 10 2016 16:45 slOosh wrote: I think it is a decently a compelling point against GiygaS and am interested in his response. At this point I would place mderg, vayne and kmatt as lynch preferences. I don't see how people are reading mderg town, and I've yet the time to properly read vayne's meta b/c I don't really see any content from him. + Show Spoiler [votes VA] + On January 10 2016 17:15 slOosh wrote: Bah I'm falling asleep so can't followup on Tubesock / GiygaS till tomorrow. I will leave with my stronger preference on lynching Vayne. He is clearly not interested in engaging with town in any fashion. His best read after me is a total cop-out. And I just found out that while he doesn't bother adding to town discussion at all, he does make sure he leaves a vote on me in the voting thread. I think this is the best lynch right now. ##Vote VayneAuthority On January 10 2016 15:30 rsoultin wrote: Edited Vote Count Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh Koshi (1): boxerfred GiygaS (1): Tubesock Not voted (4): mderg, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [Says GigygaS vs Tube is TvT] + On January 11 2016 05:28 slOosh wrote: Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town. + Show Spoiler [can go on Boxer if it goes] + On January 11 2016 05:58 slOosh wrote: Ok. I'm ok with that too if we end up going that way. + Show Spoiler [Votes Boxerfred] + On January 11 2016 07:05 slOosh wrote: I'm moving to boxerfred. I really don't think Tubesock is the lynch here. ##Vote boxerfred + Show Spoiler [Votebox, slOosh votes with #1 scumread] + On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote: Edited Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet,darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt, darthfoley Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [Noon read] + Beginning to talk about Noon switch link On January 11 2016 07:51 slOosh wrote: rayn, just so you don't feel like you are talking to deaf ears: I disagree with your initial noon case. The first quote he said that you thought was useless was like 1 hour into D1, giving a towntell to Koshi for being indifferent doesn't seem weird and being ok with lynching Vayne for various reasons doesn't seem that weird either. I think it is a playstyle thing where you assume everyone should play a certain fashion and if they don't they are scum, but they could just be playing a different playstyle. I will agree with you that he has low post count, but I think at least he is checking into thread ala. tubesock read. | ||
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But don't derp and lynch GiygaS after I flip green. He is not fakeclaiming. | ||
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On January 13 2016 00:53 Koshi wrote: Just to be sure. Sure. GiygaS is cop because it's absolutely insane to claim like he did. fin | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:39 Koshi wrote: Same for Sloosh? Who the fuck is going to lynch him? Even though everybody said Sloosh was mafia with boxerfred during the first half of D1. Now Sloosh lynched mafia and everybody yells confirmed town. To answer why towncase slOosh see above quote and also I wouldn't be surprised if Koshi gets all paranoid and decides that his original read on slOosh was correct despite all other evidence. Did I just complain about something before it happened? | ||
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On January 13 2016 01:01 Koshi wrote: You do realize Sloosh is the named VT right? uuuuhhhh yeah. But I also totally think you'd think he's lying or something and go back to your original slOosh is scum idea. Or maybe mafia might try some weird desparate counter claim that tries to fuck up town. I doubt anyone will do the work to really think about if slOosh is town. So at least they have something to look back on. Plus, what else am I going to do today? the thread is basically already dead. Would be nice if there was something to talk about. | ||
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On January 13 2016 01:07 Koshi wrote: So you decide to make a towncase on an uncc named VT. Brilliant. Can't all be as smart and wise as you. | ||
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Nooniansoong is ...uh...hmmm. So, apparently I think I towned Noon because he was getting flack from rayn for reasons I didn't like. Which probably led to me scumming rayn. Tracking his posts and such, makes me think he's better lynch than Scott at the moment. So, preferred lynch order would be darth, noon, scott. reevaluate. Noon votes VA at 7:23a (day + 8 hrs or so to lynch). The very first Boxerfred vote occured at 01:08a (almost 13 hours to lynch). Then came mderg vote on Boxer at 2:09 to lynch. Then Noon says he would vote Boxer (1:41 prior to lynch). slOosh voted at 55 minutes till, then rayn bailed at 31 minutes till and Koshi at 29 minutes. The point of the above paragragh is that it is conceivable that Noon would have switched. I however think this information is NAI but you survivors of town get to decide on that. + Show Spoiler [towns koshi, giygas consecutively] + On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote: Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter, On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote: I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry. + Show Spoiler [plynch & scums VA] + On January 10 2016 01:21 nooniansoong wrote: most games you do play like oatsmaster though. very little content, mostly one liners, hard to read. This is enough to placeholder my vote on vayne. "weird comments" - it's scummy to call something weird "nitpicking completely useless things" - it didn't seem any more useless than what other people were talking about at the time "telling others to do work" - misconstruing asking questions as telling others to do work. "struggling to create a filter" - this is the kind of generic wording that comes from scum so often. Also I do not understand how someone can draw that conclusion from sloosh's filter. Plus vayne doubles as a plynch anyway so there's that. + Show Spoiler [not really tr Rayne] + On January 10 2016 04:40 nooniansoong wrote: I like this thoughtful question from rayn. Actually I didn't know what to think of what koshi said in the moment I asked him about it. I thought to myself.. why would koshi open in the opposite way of his last two games? And I thought him answering my question might help me get a better idea of his motivation behind it. Koshi didn't give me a helpful answer, which in itself made me lean townie on him slightly because he didn't feel the need to satisfy me. + Show Spoiler [TR Tube] + On January 11 2016 06:08 nooniansoong wrote: I don't want to lynch tubesock. I can't understand most of his posts. His scum game is still fresh in my mind and his posts were a lot easier to follow. That's because his content this game is much closer to stream of thought. Having a number 4 lynch on d1 is really townie. It shows a lot of thought is going into who might be scum. + Show Spoiler [happy lynch Boxer] + On January 11 2016 06:19 nooniansoong wrote: id be happy to lynch boxerfred also. + Show Spoiler [Votes VA] + On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##vote rayn On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##unvote ##vote vayn On January 10 2016 02:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count Koshi (3): slOosh, darthfoley, boxerfred VayneAuthority (2): Koshi, nooniansoong slOosh (1): GGTeMpLaR Raynpelikoneet (0): nooniansoong (0): Not voted (7): GigyaS, Eden1892, mderg, Tubesock, VayneAuthority, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet Currently, Koshi is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. He has 6 posts that have a read in them. He doesn't mention a LOT of people. So, we can't know where he really is at. I don't see anything that I think is super towny. His voting is safe enough and I don't think I see anything that incriminates really. But I also don't believe that he would vote in an incriminating way as either alignment. I guess, I towned him for what I said in the first paragraph and that I was relating to him too. He was and is not pro-town though. Boxer dies + Show Spoiler [tcred for boxer lynch] + This is an extremely easy way to gauge thread temperature. + Show Spoiler [wrong so not needed] + On January 11 2016 09:51 nooniansoong wrote: I voted. for vayne honestly i was pretty bummed that we lynched scum because now it's like damn i guess ill move right along im not needed here.. Excuse to not work and still further gauge reading. + Show Spoiler [suspicion on Scott entrance] + On January 11 2016 10:09 nooniansoong wrote: yeah that's kind of dirty if he's scum because now he has townie reads to play off of I'm conflicted though. I felt the same with Scott's entrance which I already voiced my opinion on. + Show Spoiler [not scumreading Tube] + On January 11 2016 10:18 nooniansoong wrote: im not scumreading you but it wasn't necessarily mafia's choice which of you to kill. mafia could have had reads they didn't want to be inconsistent on mafia could have not been there EoD + Show Spoiler [rayn suspicion] + On January 11 2016 22:27 nooniansoong wrote: rayn what i think is the reasons why you are towning and scumming people make no sense to me. Especially that townread on vayne. I would never expect that from you as town. Ill ask again what agenda do you expect scum vayne to push d1? A lot of indicators I prefer not to pay attention to like tone and filter size say you're town. So I would like someone familiar with your meta to say "rayn is never like this as scum!" or "rayn is capable of this as scum" Therefore I would like Koshi's opinion which he still hasn't given. And yes I am aware I lack content this game which will be remedied by the end of today. I totally understand not TR'ing rayn because of paranoia. I think it's also why he never spoke about Eden. + Show Spoiler [Mderg looking scummy] + On January 12 2016 03:30 nooniansoong wrote: Anyway during lunch i went through some filters. Mderg looking scummy. - pressure on darthfoley that goes no where - sheeped TS onto gigyas - jumped ship on gigyas when wagon looked like it was going to falter. He gave no reason except that he thought about it more. - left a scumlynch a the last second for me. Again without any reasoning, except my lack of content. But boxerfred had even less content then me so I don't buy this reason to switch off boxerfred. This is the first time Noon mentions mderg. If Noon is mafia, he knows he can't rely on just lynching a couple of the non"confirmed" towns. He has to bring one down or at least get others to think about him. Widen that mlynch pool. Plus, it looks more ballsy and that's he's thinking critically. + Show Spoiler [forgotten tr of darthfoley] + On January 12 2016 07:11 nooniansoong wrote: i townread darthfoley for somethign but i forget what Raynpelikoneet dies. + Show Spoiler [really weird post] + On January 12 2016 10:44 nooniansoong wrote: what the fuck is going on lol I really disliked this post. "what the fuck is going on"??? I thought it was a surprise mafia killed rayn (thought Koshi/eden for sure) but I don't think it's terribly surprising that there was a cop check. All relative I guess, but I don't think there was that much chaos to warrant a townie saying this. If mafia then sure it fits, I'd be surprised too. + Show Spoiler [postcame cred hail mary] + On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote: Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though Conclusion time. For anyone who is actually bothering to read this, I think I'd lynch darth, noon, scott. Obviously reevaluating along the way. If Scott continues to be blatantly useless then he's a fine lynch too. But I think you guys should grant Rayn's dying wish and kill Noon (and me). Next up mderg probably unless I feel really trolly and do GGtemplar. Or I'll say who cares and become a spectator. I haven't decided. | ||
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On January 13 2016 03:35 slOosh wrote: Probably a vote analysis from your perspective would be nice - Eden did some coloring in one of his posts (ctrl+f for "spoiler"). Maybe look at context of darthfoley's switches. I think I can do some of this. | ||
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On January 13 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote: like just read that.. scum can't fake a thought process like that. The problem I have with that is I think he's just not reading the thread and reaching for something. It was pretty clear to me what Koshi meant and what he was doing jived. | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:01 nooniansoong wrote: how is he not reading the thread.. he talks about it in depth It's easy to fake thinking about something in depth. In my first mafia game I went fucking crazy on a guy because of what smiley face emote he used after I made this huge elaborate tinfoil case on him for being godfather (which I was). I can link it for you. I am quite proud of it. And I was hard towned for it too. There are a few more examples of where darth is not reading the thread in this very game. And they've been pointed out. | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:05 nooniansoong wrote: tubesock why are you trying so hard with your megaposts at the same time as saying "please lynch me". whats your motivation here? That's up to town to figure out. Either way, it won't make sense and it will only be received as mindfucking WIFOM. | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:08 slOosh wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching something like this than Tubesock That post is so captain obvious wasted. Like, spending the time to write that was completely wasted when he should have read the 3 pages instead and shut up until he can say something pro-town. | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote: the way i see it is darth think sloosh was active enough already when koshi started in on him and so koshi's pressure looked fake. then he didn't like the "pivot" koshi did to an inactive poster. It has nothing to do with the timeline you are presenting. I woudl be super super impressed with darthfoley was mafia, just because I never see mafia coming up with weird cases like. Tubesock as for your mafia abilities, I suspect you were towned for a megapost/tinfoil which is not what I'm basing my townread on here. Are you not townreading darth for indepth thinking about that event? My point is that can be faked. It wasn't my megapost/tinfoil that got me townread taht game, it was the later smaller post about his use of smiley emote in response to it that towned me. Much like how darth's post appears small but in depth. | ||
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So, noon, don't take my last couple posts as scumming you. I just think that particular reasoning is wrong. | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:19 nooniansoong wrote: fine show me the smiley thing lol Not relevant to this game though in that whether this point is correct or not (yours or mine) it doesn't help us. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:40 Tubesock wrote: Uhhh you actually think Giygas and I can be mafia together? Still haven't answered. Can you explain? Your entrance post was all nice with numbers and shit. So, you read the thread obviously. Why do/did you think GiygaS and I are both scum? | ||
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mderg is town. He strongly towned raynpelikoneet. He voted GiygaS after my case, went to bed and then reconsidered. He then moved to Boxer making him 2 votes. He looks like he got weirded out at the end by all the malaise so he bailed with his top townread onto someone who was about equal. Almost all of his posts have a read in them. I couldn't find his slOosh nor GGtemplar reads nor if he had a lynch pool. But by his actions, it seemed like either Boxerfred or Nooniansoong. Comparing mderg and nooniansoongs, I definitely have more of a sense of what he's thinking than Noon. so mafia!mderg bails from a wagon that at the last second giving up towncred and gaining certain scrutiny? I don't think the eod was all that hectic. Only Rayn was yelling for movement, no one else really ever voiced a will to move. I was the other wagon, and I think if anyone should have felt things were hectic it would be me. I easily imagine town getting quesy at the last minute and switching to the towniest towner of towns. That seems more likely than him trying to save his buddy. If he was going to save his buddy he'd have jumped to me. I'd have been easily killed. It wouldn't be that tough to explain away hammering a bad towny. It's been done many times before. + Show Spoiler [rayn towniest towner of townville] + On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote: rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far. I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here  + Show Spoiler [scum darth] + On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote: I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people. + Show Spoiler [more explain of darth] + On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote: This would have been better instead of the first quote Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread + Show Spoiler [VA & Tube easy scumreads] + On January 10 2016 10:16 mderg wrote: I don't really know about me but vayne and tubesock feel like really easy scumreads to have + Show Spoiler [Should add kmatt to pool] + On January 10 2016 10:25 mderg wrote: Makes sense. At least kamtt should be added, though + Show Spoiler [Eden weird feels] + On January 10 2016 19:54 mderg wrote: Feeling weird about Eden. I like what he says especially in the Tubesock Giygas thing. But I don't like how he says things, feels like an indifferent observer. + Show Spoiler [Vote count with his added in] + On January 10 2016 22:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: EditedVote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (3): Tubesock, Eden1892, mderg slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet Not voted (1): Kmatt, Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [unvotes GiygaS] + On January 11 2016 05:09 mderg wrote: The more I think about Tube's case the less I like the GiygaS lynch... ##unvote + Show Spoiler [Boxer Vote at 2:09 till] + On January 11 2016 05:51 mderg wrote: Seriously, I'm fucking lost this game. voting boxerfred because the only thing he's done is scumreading Koshi for things that aren't scummy. On January 10 2016 22:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: EditedVote Count Tubesock (2): Koshi, GiygaS, VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892, slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet Not voted (1): Kmatt, Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [Noon playing similiar to last towngame] + On January 11 2016 07:35 mderg wrote: He's at least playing pretty similar to his last towngame + Show Spoiler [Noon wasn't useful last game] + On January 11 2016 07:53 mderg wrote: Well, kush is producing less content than the last game I've played with him. And even in that game he was not producing enough content for me. I can definitely see where you're coming from. + Show Spoiler [votes at :59] + On January 11 2016 07:59 mderg wrote: ##unvote ##Vote nooniansoong On January 11 2016 08:00 mderg wrote: fuck it. voting kush Boxerfred dies. Didn't really see any reads. One post that said Noon and Boxer may have looked better but since consensus was ok with Boxer it had to be wrong. + Show Spoiler [Explains Shenany] + On January 12 2016 04:47 mderg wrote: I wasn't voting you for lack of content. That played a big part in it but it was not what put you above boxerfred for the lynch. You two were practically the same to me, you probably even looked a bit better. But everybody seemed fine with the boxerfred lynch, so I thought it somehow had to be wrong Votes me. Cause duh. | ||
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And just because someone does something YOU don't understand doesn't mean it's stupid. Not at all. Anyway, I have to work tonight. So, adios. I may or may not be back. | ||
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darthfoley is...town Bah. I'm kinda running out of time for what I want to do today. There were about 3 things that I saw that showed that darthfoley wasn't reading the thread. Little mistakes. I want to say slOosh or GGtemplar pointed out one early game which darth got heat on. He also was like "tube has only done GiygaS all day and night" and I responded pretty immediately with a quote of one of my quotes showing him he was wrong. Eden saw the same thing. Then his waffle voting. This shows town viewpoints. Scum generally has an excuse for everything they do. You can catch scum by 1 or 2 little things, but if you can make a case for miles and miles it means he's not caring about any inconsistencies. Which means he's not focused on survival, he's focused on solving and finding the mafia. Just trust me on this AFTER I am lynched and you know nothing I have done is WIFOM and is pure of intention. + Show Spoiler [entrance tr Ray scum GGt] + On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote: Hi guys, just got back from The Revenant; it's badass if you're into the genre. A little long at times but Leo + Tom Hardy is great. Anyhow, excited to play some mafia. This is my first time playing on forums, although I have played a lot of irl mafia so a lot of stuff should transfer hopefully. Reading through the past 5 pages, so far I am getting a town read from rayne, He seems very logical so far in his thinking of Giygas and sloosh. I agree that Templar's opening was kinda awkward and confusing, but as an inexperienced player I feel where you're coming from. I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far + Show Spoiler [votes Koshi] + On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote: Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity. On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. ##Vote: Koshi + Show Spoiler [likes this Eden fellow] + On January 09 2016 16:58 darthfoley wrote: I like this Eden fellow, so crisply formatted + Show Spoiler [nulls slOosh, towns GiygaS] + On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote: Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. + Show Spoiler [VA vote, null mderg, town Boxer ] + On January 10 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote: Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on. I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now. I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active people: VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance. + Show Spoiler + logic dictates that we are playing on setup 3, as that is the most common number chosen on a 4 way choice. I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town. ##Unvote: Koshi ##Vote: VayneAuthority That's all I have for now + Show Spoiler [scums me] + On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote: This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum + Show Spoiler [Votes me after GiygaS case, before my…] + On January 10 2016 12:35 darthfoley wrote: ##Unvote: VayneAuthority ##Vote: Tubesock On January 10 2016 15:30 rsoultin wrote: Edited Vote Count Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley slOosh (1): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (4): mderg, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet, slOosh, Tubesock, VayneAuthority Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [Likes Tube defense, unvotes] + On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote: Good morning I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now. + Show Spoiler [most suspicious of Giy/VA] + On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote: Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred + Show Spoiler [Votes VA again] + On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote: Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh ##Vote: VayneAuthority + Show Spoiler [votes Tube] + On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote: I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town. I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock. ##Unvote On January 11 2016 06:49 darthfoley wrote: Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town" instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue On January 11 2016 07:00 darthfoley wrote: ##Vote: Tubesock Granted, they are 30 minutes apart, i'm treating them as 1 post for hopefully obvious reasons. On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote: Edited Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt, Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. 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On January 14 2016 03:50 Eden1892 wrote: Koshi stop being dumb. It's pretty obvious that I decided that Tubesock was town from all of my posting before day 2. I'm allowed to change my mind as more evidence presents itself. Are you tellin me that because at one point I was sure there had to be mafia between Tubesock and Giygas that I am forever beholden to think that, even if I tr one of them later and the other claims cop? Because that's fucking dumb as as shit. You bitch about bad posting but what the fuck are you even doing? Not questioning Vayne or kush who are for sure the real top suspects outside of darth (and I guess Tubesock with the red check). Quit harassing me every time I check in. You are so goddamned tedious to play with. He's fake raging too. There is no reason he should be mad. Town lynched mafia day 1. And according to him we have a lock scum with a redcheck. He should be ecstatic. Further he complains about D2 being wasted. We've had 15 or so pages of content still with 4 hours to lynch. And no disagreement on who to lynch really. Why is there more than 2 pages? When I've seen redchecks it ENDS the day. Like essentially literally there would be like 8 posts maybe. Most everyone knows that Boxerfred is super lurker as either alignments. It's not a leap at all that Koshi saw him as a partner and was like "hey, I might bus you d1 so I get confirmed". With that he can breadcrumb suspicion. he didn't leave my wagon until 30 minutes before lynch and AFTER Rayn left me. If Rayn stayed and I died, Koshi could say that "well Rayn is a great player and was on him too!" That's a viable excuse to be wrong on me. But only if Rayn stayed. Rayn left, and Koshi saw 2 already on Boxerfred so it was kind of a viable lynch. And then bam, he's confirmed. Plus, this anger about Eden. It's super clear that he was thinking I was town in the night. He thought GiygaS was more likely scum. GiygaS claims and Eden's second post after is "yeah I believe this". It was done in less than 10 minutes, and before anyone else and consistent with his read on me. How is that weird? Koshi thinks I'm lock scum even without the redcheck. So, why is he mad when town lynched red D1 and I'm overwhelmingly the wagon? He also trying to sell the fact I did a case on named town (the only thing he did was town case a confirmed) yet when he said that there were already 2 other cases finished after. I know none of you understand what I'm doing. But you will. Maybe not agree with it, but you will understand and it will be clear. I'm just not finished. | ||
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We killed mafia D1, and we have like 6 people who are essentially confirmed. (5 because I don't think Koshi should be considered anymore, but I feel strongly about darthfoley's innocence.) If I were mafia, I would be uncomfortable as fuck. Wouldn't you? | ||
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Even without the redcheck, I was very much on the lynch table. He can have both untoucheable towncred and his mlynch. There is no world where Boxerfred lives very long. With Rayn still on my wagon, Koshi has every excuse to explain any heat he gains away. If rayn bails, then most likely will have to answer. I will never believe this isn't within his scum range. I think town can keep him alive till m/lylo but if he's alive then you must lynch him. If he's town, then mafia will have to kill him at some point as he is a very real threat to solving the game. | ||
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On January 14 2016 04:42 mderg wrote: Your theory on koshi feels pretty similar to your case against rayn. I think it's pretty unlikely that koshi is scum but with some crazy narrative there's an off chance that he is scum. Yup. Do you think town is in a good or bad position right now? Do you think Koshi's frustration is justified? | ||
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I think town needs to kill redchecks. The only exception is if you 100% believe it's fake/wrong. I will always be a cloud of confusion for town while I live. I do not want mafia to use that. I want to win. I did those cases for a few reasons. It's like a will and testament people who think they are dying at night. Hopefully, it's completely transparent and there isn't any question as to what I thought albeit weird. It's also in a way my fighting without conflicting with my honest belief that redchecks should die. I'm trying to leave town in a better position than if I just quit. I also wanted some case building/writing practice. As it's obvious with how my GiygaS case and interactions went. I had to keep pushing it because I didn't think anyone understood my actual point. So, I need to learn to be more clear. I already answered why I cased slOosh mostly. But another reason is I was planning on having one for essentially everyone. It's kind of like those players who post their spreadsheets for the thread. Maybe make something that you can go back to like a filter but it filters out useless posts or something. I did not like Koshi repeatedly saying that we shouldn't confirm slOosh because of VCA. Later I was thinking that maybe a clever and desparate mafia might counter claim or something. It was also a different kind of experiment. I also wanted to wait for the posters that I think would provide more content so the case stays more relevant or valid. there is no reason to think that slOosh is going to do something in the next day that will change my read. But Scott, VA or darthfoley might. Noon I didn't think would do a lot anyway, it's just not the type of player he is known for. I just voted Nooniansoong. Mostly symbolic. I think I should be the lynch. Tomorrow have the wagon be Noon and Scott. Then figure out VA the next day. See what Koshi really does and if it didn't help town then he's mafia. to me locked town in order: GiygaS, slOosh Eden, GGtemplar mderg darth ciao | ||
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On January 14 2016 04:44 Tubesock wrote: Yup. Do you think town is in a good or bad position right now? Do you think Koshi's frustration is justified? I hope you look at his frustration post and see if those points jive with what is really going on. He scums me pretty hard. Why does he really care if there is an early red check? Oh because the standard answer "you claim redcheck LATE so it doesn't shut down the thread!" So, YOU decide if this thread was shut down. It sure doesn't look like it to me. He says I literally only towncased a confirmed. You think that's true? Would you be frustrated if a redcheck, and a highly likely scum did weird shit that made him look MORE scummy? What the fuck? Really? Get my point? | ||
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