EPTIs he town looking for someone to confront him? Or is he mafia blue hunting? WIFOM so I labelled scuzzy, if I leaned mafia it would have been labelled scummy.
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Tubesock
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Is he town looking for someone to confront him? Or is he mafia blue hunting? WIFOM so I labelled scuzzy, if I leaned mafia it would have been labelled scummy. | ||
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I think Raynepelikoneet is his partner.
Here is a sampling of Raynepelikoneet's twisting and exaggerating for dramatic flair (linking quote, quoting relevant parts below): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25286294 On January 10 2016 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand why would you EVER ask something from anyone unless you think the answer they give could make them mafia. On January 10 2016 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So summa summarium.... Noonian asks Koshi something that could indicate Koshi is mafia. Koshi gives him an answer that doesn't help him in any way, and he comes to the conclusion that it is a TOWNTELL?!?!? - so scumtell becomes a towntell because the guy doesn't reasonably explain himself. Rayn's point was supposed to be that Nooniansoong asked a pointless question he shouldn't have because it "doesn't help him in any way". Yet, in the very same paragraph he acknowledges that Noon walked away with a towntell on Koshi. So, in fact Noon's question was productive and that it DID indeed help him. Unless Rayn actually means that in the game of mafia you only look for scum and never other townies. On January 10 2016 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing is this: This post is incredibly fishy because of the following: - He is voting for VayneAuthority as a placeholder - He is voting for VayneAuthority because he did something scummy - He is voting for VayneAuthority because he is a good policy lynch placeholder != scumread != policy lynch There is literally no way VayneAuthority is all that at the same time. Or like... ugh.. how to explain it.. He is making up reasons for voting for VA, since if you scumread someone as town you vote for them because you think they are scum, NOT because they are a "placeholder vote" or "policy lynch". Simply, it is NOT fishy to vote someone who you think is a placeholder, did something scummy and is also a good policy lynch. While I have never done the placeholder bit, placeholding is just a reason for the timing of the vote not the person you are voting. So, why is Rayn adding that to the accusation of "making up reasons for voting for VA"? Cause 3 things look worse than 2. Twisting, exaggerating and "making up reasons". On January 10 2016 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Third point is that was basically all his filter. Here is Nooniansoong filter. Click and read. With the exception of probably 3 posts, every one of them has a read, a question which later gets followed up on, or something else indicating thought or direction. Noon isn't influencial by any means. He doesn't push anything by any means. But you can't tell me that there are only two things of any note in his filter. Let's now look at Rayn's strong townread GiygaS. Count how many posts are "I'm back" or other posts that are complete throwaways. Then there is the vast majority of posts that are defense after I happened. Now you've read both Noon's and GiygaS's filters back to back and freshly. Of the two, it looks to me that Noon's filter is far more productive than GiygaS's. Even if you think GiygaS is town, do you really think GiygaS's filter looks better? Rayn thinks that not only is GiygaS's filter better, but it's really super town and that Noon's is super scum. This doesn't jive. On January 10 2016 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this doesn't make any sense as if you think the green part is correct, then the red part should have never happened in the first place because the conclusion is already there without the question!!! Also Noonian literally said that's NOT how it went down. And what Nooniansoong "literally" said: On January 11 2016 00:40 nooniansoong wrote: I'm confused on the first part what you aren't understanding about the progression of that read. 1. koshi's opening is different 2. i inquire about it 3. koshi gives idgaf answer which in itself is minorly townie 3. i think more about his opening, and figure it's minorly townie, entirely apart from the happenings of 2 and 3 Second point placeholder, plynch and scumlynch don't have to be mutually exclusive, especially early in the game when scumreads are weak. Why do thoes motivates behind voting have to be mutually exclusive? Third point - it's hard for me to get activity in on weekends. So, no the answer/conclusion wasn't already there without the question. In Rayn's world here, he thinks people only need to read a post once, and immediately come to all your conclusions. That defies logic. That is inventing a reason to scum someone. Rayn's been nitpicking Noon to make him look bad because Rayn knows Noon will never be a high impact player, nor will he be able to influence or stop himself from being lynched. Let's look at what Rayn says about Boxer and I. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's 1st list post] + On January 09 2016 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden: GiygaS - town slOosh - scum mderg - town Nooniansoong - town boxerfred - null Tubesock - scum Koshi - town VayneAuthority - town GGTeMpLaR - null Kmatt - null Is there anything we disagree here? I purposely left darthfoley out because you are questioning him and i don't wanna affect that regardless of my read on him. + Show Spoiler [Y SlOosh TR's Box??] + On January 10 2016 10:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Koshi.. i really don't have time today.  I'll look into it again first thing tomorrow. I just don't think VA is scum, but a reminder to myself; Why the fuck does slOosh townread boxerfred? + Show Spoiler [No idea Y Boxer town] + On January 10 2016 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely no idea why boxerfred should be considered town. slOosh's reasoning is pure crap, "asking why people townread the guy he is voting for is a towntell"? lol.  I need to re-check what was going on in the thread but it feels like boxerfred is following certain thread sentiments (things i consider being accusations against townies) and ignoring other stuff (accusations i consider being against possible mafia). + Show Spoiler [not certain Tube mafia] + On January 10 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't want to lynch mderg either, mainly because i am not at all certain anymore Tubesock is mafia and he is kinda semi-defending him. Obviously this doesn't mean anything if the case is they are both scum but meh..i just don't feel that's the case here. + Show Spoiler [votes Noon] + On January 10 2016 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote nooniansoong + Show Spoiler [Tube earns eternity vote] + On January 11 2016 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no possible way you think this. No FUCKING way if you are town. ##unvote ##vote Tubesock Good job man, you just earned my vote for eternity. Even if you are town you are mafia. + Show Spoiler + Second of all the case on GiygaS is fucking crap. So fucking crap. If you people can't understand that he is clearly questioning reads WHICH REASONING MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE (since he LITERALLY ONLY TALKS ABOUT THOSE TWO READS) and twist it into some stupid fucking "i had same reads bla bla bullshit" then you are just awful at reading motivation behind posting, or twisting the facts. The fucking fact is he is singling out two reads because the REASONING DOES NOT MAKE SENSE -- AND THERE IS, WAS, AND STILL ISNT ANY REASONING FOR THOSE READS!!!!! It is clear what GiygaS is trying to say -- regardless of how he words it. And Tubesock can't even fucking explain those reads of his while asked multiple times to do that. Then, go ahead and lynch VA then. I don't give any shits. He's not mafia. He is just not mafia and i am using my tomorrow to ask every single person who voted for him these questions: 1) why didn't you read his past games? 2) Why didn't you believe the person who in almost every single game where VA is is the only reason he lives and most likely gets lynched the next day rayn dies because people are fucking awful at reading him? slOosh since you are so on top of your game, especially as you promoted "critical filter reading" based on the nature of the game explain me this: [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia [N] VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Go read these two filters and tell me who are the people VA talks about in these games, 36hours into the game. I mean actually things that are not jokes??? + Show Spoiler [Tubedude is fucking scum] + + Show Spoiler [votes sloosh, team tube/kush] + On January 11 2016 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is a post #286: you are lying, you are mafia. ##unvote ##vote slOosh Here slOosh is telling Eden why Koshi is mafia. But he says he townread Koshi 20 posts before this as per his statement right now. Mafia is slOosh, Tubesock and kush. + Show Spoiler [votes Tube] + On January 11 2016 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: ahh nevermind. yeah that makes sense. ##unvote ##vote Tubesock + Show Spoiler [Box ok lynch, Tube is scum] + On January 11 2016 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: If slOosh is in fact town the mafia should be in the following group: Nooniansoong/boxerfred/Tubesock/Kmatt. Easily. Kmatt is just a coin-flip. I guess people aren't gonna believe me on kush. boxerfred is an okay lynch. Tubesock is scum. + Show Spoiler [Tube is mafia narrative] + On January 11 2016 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Normally people react to the accusations on them the following way: "why the fuck does this guy call me scum? i am town and i am clearly trying to help the town." or even if they are more "sensitive" in a way they produce their posts it's something along the lines of; "okay so i can get why this guy calls me scum. i am not scum though, so i will try to make my best to explain why i said what he scumreads me for". The way Tubesock does it is completely different. First of all he is using his "scummy" (which isn't scummy for him after all?) behavior to promote his case on GiygaS in a shitty way, like "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable". It is hard to explain, the last time this happened many people didn't ever get that... It's like, he is downplaying himself to saying "yes i was playing bad" but at the same time saying he wasn't really playing bad. Fuck.. idk how to explain it. What would your reaction be if i called you scum for any post of yours? (not to even mention Tubesock kinda covered all his filter at that point -- and said HIMSELF he was playing non-optimally). On January 11 2016 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's very fucking simple. Town people try to help town and at least they think they are trying to help town. Tubesock basically claims he wasn't trying to do that at all the first 24h of the game. + Show Spoiler [Tube makes sense? Votes Noon] + On January 11 2016 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again... Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk. ##unvote ##vote Nooniansoong I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town. kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred. I believe kush is the best lynch here. + Show Spoiler [100% Tube Vote] + On January 11 2016 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am 100% going to vote for Tubesock if i can't get people on kush. + Show Spoiler [fucking Tube and Kush R mafia] + On January 11 2016 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Neither is GiygaS so your vote is completely useless aswell. You are not even trying to get people on him. Fucking these guys are scum. These both guys, kush and this dude are mafia. + Show Spoiler [lynching town atm..] + On January 11 2016 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: also we are lynching town atm.. + Show Spoiler [I WANT KUSH LYNCH] + On January 11 2016 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I WANT TO LYNCH KUSH BECAUSE NOONE SHOULD EXPECT HE IS FUCKING TOWN HERE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO AND WHEN HE FLIPS MAFIA I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE FUCKERS EXPLAIN WHY THEY SAY INCORRECT STUFF!!!!! + Show Spoiler [Don't lynch Boxer] + On January 11 2016 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am not gonna switch my vote, just that i can tell you "i told you so". You can lynch me if bf flips scum. But he doesn't, because noone is clearly pushing another lynch except for me. + Show Spoiler [Pleas to lynch Noon] + On January 11 2016 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden1892 vote for kush, he is scum. On January 11 2016 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne too. fucking anyone who has any brain.- + Show Spoiler [Boxer never flip scum] + On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: noone is trying to lynch anyone. everybody is just "okay" with boxerfred being lynched. it's bullshit. he's never gonna flip scum. + Show Spoiler [Tube ISNT VOTING COUNTER!!] + On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: HE ISN'T EVEN VOITNG THE COUNTERWAGON HIMSELF!!!! I stopped quoting spoilers at the lynch. Rayn's read progression on Boxer is Null, then moves to how he has no idea why boxer could be town (but doesn't scum him), on to Boxer is an ok lynch, then "you can lynch me if BF flips scum, but he doesn't", and then Boxer never flips scum here. Rayn's progression on me is scum, to scum, to well not sure he's scum, he's fucking scum, is he making sense, idk?, he's scum for eternity, he's scum even if he's town,scum, he's not voting his counter so he's scum. Rayn's progression on Noon is town, then on the mafia team with me. Looking at his votes and how it landed, it sure looks like Rayn preferred a lynch on Noon/Kush, me, then Boxerfred. Reading his posts and how they were worded, do you think that jives? When I have 2 scumreads that are pretty strong, I don't really care which one dies first. The priority goes to who I can get lynched first. So, uh why the hell would he not push his number 2? He complained that everyone was "okay" with Boxer lynch and pleaded with the thread or anyone who has any brain to move with him. He knew no one was moving to Kush. But there were plenty of people willing to vote me. Koshi and him could have. But why? People would see me flip town and then be very suspicious of GiygaS. He already knows Boxer is useless. As RB or not he's dying very soon. When GiygaS flips red, then D1 VCA will make Rayn look very bad. mafia!rayn can not be on my wagon at the end of the day. 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So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia. I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about. I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg. VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town. | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:28 Eden1892 wrote: As someone who is currently voting you and is quite interested in lynching you today, how would you explain the above to me to be coming from a townie instead? Being conscious of the problems with your play thus far makes me more inclined to kill you, rather than less (as I figure was the intended effect) -- I'm not really impressed with the "X is scummy because he called me scummy for ABC reasons, when you should be scumreading me for XYZ reasons" argument, I'd rather just kill you for XYZ (and maybe ABC) and sort out X later. On January 10 2016 16:37 Eden1892 wrote: It's interesting, a pretty reasonable read. But I would still rather kill Tubesock, as that's the only thing he's posted (as of me typing this) that's left me willing to consider not killing him, and as I already thought GiygaS was pretty solidly town. What do you think? Eden is town because I do not think a mafia would ever make this. Sure, if we were both scum then that's possible. Despite strongly thinking I'm scum, he still made an effort to reevaluate. He is searching for the truth. mafia!Eden would not gain anything from doing this to me. And what he gained out of this is that only 1 of GiygaS or I can be mafia. So, while he's not sold I am town, he is obviously thinking about it and not dismissing it out of hand. you know like Rayn did. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:35 Koshi wrote: Tube. You ever saw a mafia with reads that were so wild & inconsistent? And then not be able to get the lynch off mafia boxerfred while you had 4 votes on you and boxer had 3 votes? Why would he spare you and go to Kush when he knew I would never lynch Kush and would always lynch boxer? Because I will flip town. Then people will really look into GiygaS. GiygaS will flip red. Then Rayn looks extremely bad for defending 2 mafia. Yeah, I get it association reads are bad. But my read on Rayn isn't about association. It's his filter. He constantly exaggerates and nitpicks shit. Instead of figuring out my point of my GiygaS case he dismisses it. He dismisses and misrepresents Noon (which YOU agree to!!!). His actions at eod and his posting don't make sense. Look at Eden at the end of day. Eden and Rayn said about the same things concerning Boxerfred. Box was essentially a null. So Eden didn't really have any reason to oppose that lynch. No reason to defend it either. Rayn tries to shenany to Noon. No one bites, then he doesn't revert back to me? Like his posts all have me. Most his posts have me in the scumteam listed when he's pushing for Noon lynch. His 1 reason to be hesitant on lynching me is that there was 1 thing that I "might make sense, idk" on. Like 1 thing that is obcviously weak since he never took me out of the mafia teams later. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:41 darthfoley wrote: Yea idk why Rayne wouldn't continue the Tubesock wagon when he was up by a vote with less than 2(?) hours to go before the vote. If Rayne were mafia, why would he switch to Noonian when he had a solid wagon on you Tubesock? On January 12 2016 04:11 Tubesock wrote: People would see me flip town and then be very suspicious of GiygaS. He already knows Boxer is useless. As RB or not he's dying very soon. When GiygaS flips red, then D1 VCA will make Rayn look very bad. mafia!rayn can not be on my wagon at the end of the day. But he can do his damndest to get others to lynch me. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:58 mderg wrote: You're just trying to make rayn's play fit into your read with some crazy narrative. I know you didn't read what I wrote since the answer was in my post. So this makes me think you haven't read Rayn's filter and compared it to what he was doing, what he said, what he was saying others said. Is there anyone you know you actually read and tried to get the truth from? | ||
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On January 11 2016 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes this is right. If i am scum i am scum exactly with Tubesock. Then you have to argue why my vote didn't go on GiygaS earlier -- and why did i scumread Tubesock harder than GiygaS from their argument (i didn't really have to, and i actually fucked up a bit there with my reading comprehension -- which i pointed out at some point, and which was the reason i didn't vote Tubesock at the end of the day). You can also argue why i am - -as the most active player in this game -- incapable of realizing the thread sentiment moving to lynching boxerfred from all the people (well i nthis case from my scumbuddy), and why was i okay with it, and why didn't i do anything about it when i had the MOST town capita in the game at that point. So hey, feel free to argue about that. You were pleading for people to move to Nooniansoong so you were trying to move it and no one did so that kind of nullifies your MOST town capita in the game point. You were also most certainly NOT ok with the Boxerfred lynch. | ||
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On January 12 2016 06:56 Tubesock wrote: Darth only really voted me, then unvoted, then revoted me. disregard. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote: I think a cop check on me is wasted. The only thing to really know my alignment is my death. We can afford that. So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia. I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about. I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg. VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town. | ||
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But I did say before, you all should lynch me anyway. | ||
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There are 5 questionable alive people. Me, Noon, Scott, VA, Darth. Like everyone else is essentially confirmed right? So if we are lucky and 1 of them is named VT then we are in an even better situation. Like we can't lose. We can just lynch in that order and town wins even if the last two mafia are VA and Darth. | ||
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Like if I flip red then obviously I'm mindfucking everyone and town shouldn't follow this plan. | ||
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