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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do. This is correct. This isn't what happened. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
##Vote boxerfred | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 11 2016 06:49 darthfoley wrote: Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town" instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue You completely and totally miss my point on GiygaS. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Official Vote Count Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (1): Kmatt Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
When you question someone, you look at the "why" of their reasonings right? How does GiygaS's "why" match what he thinks? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 11 2016 07:04 slOosh wrote: The point that Tubesock is making is that while there is nothing wrong with that, it's weird to vote for someone because of it. GiygaS is voting for Tubesock because he found it scummy that he has an unexplained townreads on you and kush -- which he considers UNREASONABLE because Tubesock literally states his reads on you two are easy townreads -- which means they are strong! If GiygaS himself reads you two town has fucking nothing to do with the fact that calling you and kush, at that point of the game STRONG TOWNREADS is just simply UNREASONABLE and cannot be explained in a townie way (look at the fucking explanation Tubesock gives to this later on -- "the reads were early, therefore easy", wtf is this bullshit????). Tubesock pushes a different matter than this, he pushes GiygaS for a narrative that if he reads the same people town than he does, he cannot scumread him. That is just simply untrue, this game doesn't work like that. I often times ask people why they scumread the same people i do because often times people do not see the same things i do. Later on GiygaS even explains why Tubesock's case is a misrepresentation (yes, everything he has said since comes to this point -- and "other people scumreading me too" is not a reason to NOT scumread anyone, ever). It is very easy to tell GiygaS is most likely telling the truth here because in the first place he literally asked about JUST those two reads. The explanation fits the motivation. Instead of arguing why this is not the case Tubesock ignores the explanation and keeps on pushing the original point. And THAT is scummy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 11 2016 07:04 Tubesock wrote: This is correct. This isn't what happened. Except that's literally what your original case says. Here i quote it for you: On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: GiygaS My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. Literally everything after that is making conclusions based on the narrative you invented. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 10 2016 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: GiygaS why do YOU townread slOosh and kush? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On January 11 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote: I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter. On January 11 2016 06:06 mderg wrote: What was it that you didn't like in that conversation? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Somewhere he said "I don't believe you" That felt out of place. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do ##Vote tubesock His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler + mderg: says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again. ---- Line of scumminess --- kmatt: baby come back VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation ---- Line of towniness --- noon boxer koshi ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield. sloosh ---- Line of more-towniness --- darth eden rayn There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now. this is what happened. Where did he question my reads or their ease? I think a town would have done that. GiygaS went straight to I'm scummiest, voted and said I am half of his lynch targets. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On January 11 2016 07:23 Koshi wrote: Somewhere he said "I don't believe you" That felt out of place. Hmm no. It's more the fact he attacks Giygas about his read on Tubesock so hard. Dnu. Doesn't seem right to do if you both scumread the same person. Oh well. Eden filter is fine. No worries. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk. ##unvote ##vote Nooniansoong I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town. kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred. I believe kush is the best lynch here. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote: I understand the point you're making. I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself. Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote? Are you talking about this post, koshi? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
No. It is his last post. But dnu. Maybe it is nothing. Wouldn't worry about it. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On January 11 2016 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again... Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk. ##unvote ##vote Nooniansoong I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town. kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred. I believe kush is the best lynch here. Well. If you abandon the Tube lynch I am moving my ass to boxer. ##unvote ##vote boxerfred | ||
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