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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 22:04 GMT
#601
On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do.


This is correct. This isn't what happened.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 22:05 GMT
#602
I'm moving to boxerfred. I really don't think Tubesock is the lynch here.

##Vote boxerfred
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 22:06 GMT
#603
On January 11 2016 06:49 darthfoley wrote:
Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town"

instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue


You completely and totally miss my point on GiygaS.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 10 2016 22:07 GMT
#604
To be clear Tubesock, I don't think GiygaS is mafia either. I agree that it was strange how he presented it, but I think it was an issue of presentation, not of motive.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 10 2016 22:07 GMT
#605
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt


Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 22:08 GMT
#606
Town question.

When you question someone, you look at the "why" of their reasonings right?

How does GiygaS's "why" match what he thinks?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 10 2016 22:11 GMT
#607
On January 11 2016 07:04 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do.

The point that Tubesock is making is that while there is nothing wrong with that, it's weird to vote for someone because of it.

GiygaS is voting for Tubesock because he found it scummy that he has an unexplained townreads on you and kush -- which he considers UNREASONABLE because Tubesock literally states his reads on you two are easy townreads -- which means they are strong!

If GiygaS himself reads you two town has fucking nothing to do with the fact that calling you and kush, at that point of the game STRONG TOWNREADS is just simply UNREASONABLE and cannot be explained in a townie way (look at the fucking explanation Tubesock gives to this later on -- "the reads were early, therefore easy", wtf is this bullshit????).

Tubesock pushes a different matter than this, he pushes GiygaS for a narrative that if he reads the same people town than he does, he cannot scumread him. That is just simply untrue, this game doesn't work like that. I often times ask people why they scumread the same people i do because often times people do not see the same things i do.

Later on GiygaS even explains why Tubesock's case is a misrepresentation (yes, everything he has said since comes to this point -- and "other people scumreading me too" is not a reason to NOT scumread anyone, ever). It is very easy to tell GiygaS is most likely telling the truth here because in the first place he literally asked about JUST those two reads. The explanation fits the motivation. Instead of arguing why this is not the case Tubesock ignores the explanation and keeps on pushing the original point.

And THAT is scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 10 2016 22:14 GMT
#608
On January 11 2016 07:04 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do.


This is correct. This isn't what happened.

Except that's literally what your original case says.
Here i quote it for you:
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: GiygaS

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +
On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum


mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +
says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn


There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.


My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction.

The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes?

GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!"

Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing.

GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them.

GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters.

Literally everything after that is making conclusions based on the narrative you invented.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#609
I forgot to vote in the voting thread again it seems. Still on Tubesock. Not sure if I should move to boxerfred.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 10 2016 22:19 GMT
#610
On January 10 2016 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GiygaS why do YOU townread slOosh and kush?

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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 10 2016 22:19 GMT
#611
I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 10 2016 22:22 GMT
#612
On January 11 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote:
I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter.


On January 11 2016 06:06 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else?

No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe.

What was it that you didn't like in that conversation?


Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 10 2016 22:23 GMT
#613
On January 11 2016 07:22 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote:
I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter.


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 06:06 mderg wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else?

No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe.

What was it that you didn't like in that conversation?



Somewhere he said "I don't believe you"
That felt out of place.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2016 22:24 GMT
#614
On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do


##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't

+ Show Spoiler +
mderg: says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn

There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.


this is what happened. Where did he question my reads or their ease? I think a town would have done that. GiygaS went straight to I'm scummiest, voted and said I am half of his lynch targets.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 10 2016 22:28 GMT
#615
On January 11 2016 07:23 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 07:22 mderg wrote:
On January 11 2016 07:19 Koshi wrote:
I guess Eden might be mafia after all. Let me reread his filter.


On January 11 2016 06:06 mderg wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else?

No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe.

What was it that you didn't like in that conversation?



Somewhere he said "I don't believe you"
That felt out of place.

Hmm no. It's more the fact he attacks Giygas about his read on Tubesock so hard. Dnu. Doesn't seem right to do if you both scumread the same person.

Oh well. Eden filter is fine. No worries.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
January 10 2016 22:29 GMT
#616
I think he implied questioning your reads and their ease when he said that I said all there needs to be said (because I questioned your easy reads)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
January 10 2016 22:29 GMT
#617
Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again...
Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk.

##unvote
##vote Nooniansoong

I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town.

kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred.

I believe kush is the best lynch here.
table for two on a tv tray
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 10 2016 22:29 GMT
#618
On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote:
I understand the point you're making.

I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself.

Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote?

Are you talking about this post, koshi?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 10 2016 22:30 GMT
#619
On January 11 2016 07:29 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 16:42 Eden1892 wrote:
I understand the point you're making.

I still have a distinctly separate, stronger, desire to kill you, in no small part for the behavior you ascribed to yourself.

Perhaps you're missing my point. Your argument about GiygaS is reasonable. To this outside observer who already believes he's town and you're scum, it's not compelling enough. Why should I switch my vote?

Are you talking about this post, koshi?

No. It is his last post. But dnu. Maybe it is nothing. Wouldn't worry about it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 10 2016 22:30 GMT
#620
On January 11 2016 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again...
Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk.

##unvote
##vote Nooniansoong

I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town.

kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred.

I believe kush is the best lynch here.

Well. If you abandon the Tube lynch I am moving my ass to boxer.

##unvote
##vote boxerfred
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