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On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:
GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.

On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote:
Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical.

On January 11 2016 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Normally people react to the accusations on them the following way: "why the fuck does this guy call me scum? i am town and i am clearly trying to help the town." or even if they are more "sensitive" in a way they produce their posts it's something along the lines of; "okay so i can get why this guy calls me scum. i am not scum though, so i will try to make my best to explain why i said what he scumreads me for".

The way Tubesock does it is completely different. First of all he is using his "scummy" (which isn't scummy for him after all?) behavior to promote his case on GiygaS in a shitty way, like "this is not a reason to call me scum -- this would be understandable".

It is hard to explain, the last time this happened many people didn't ever get that... It's like, he is downplaying himself to saying "yes i was playing bad" but at the same time saying he wasn't really playing bad. Fuck.. idk how to explain it.

What would your reaction be if i called you scum for any post of yours? (not to even mention Tubesock kinda covered all his filter at that point -- and said HIMSELF he was playing non-optimally).

On January 11 2016 06:50 Tubesock wrote:
1. "I'd lynch Rayn over Noon" - How do you get I want to lynch you from that? that statement is simply I townread Noon harder than I townread you. I don't see how anyone can possibly get anything else from that. Especially in the context of how and when I said it.

2. If you are townreading me because I'm saying I'm scummy and nothing else then you are bad. You're not reading what I wrote or trying to understand what I'm actually saying.

3. Obviously, I need to explain my case further since the vast majority of you guys don't understand.

Take Darthfoley's worldview. He sees my read post, and sees that 2 of my reads don't jive with his and I say they were easy which is like doubly bad. It's perfectly reasonable for him to have cased me like he did and what he said matches what his worldview looked like according to his filter.

Now pretend you are in a random game.

Player A says I read these 4 people like so easy.

You share these reads but disagree with the "easy" part. Otherwise apparently the guy is "null".

Do you A) Scum him and elevate him to the top of your scumpile then vote or
B) make him clarify his reads specifically the "easy" part.
C) maybe you think he's scum, but you're going to cite his reads instead of the real reasons you think he's scum.

GiygaS is mafia because his reads are fabricated. Him not being aware of how they match mine shows he's not invested in his own reads much to recognize our similiarities.

On January 11 2016 06:49 slOosh wrote:
I understand what you are saying but I still think it's something a town could do.

It's like if you were playing town, and (b/c of active mafia mudslinging or something) people suspect you as mafia for a certain vote sequence.

Then some dude comes along and says "you know, I think rayn is mafia, because he didn't use as many exclamation marks in his posts that he usually does".

You would somewhat understand if people bandwagon for reasons that are out there, but it's really strange for someone to be bringing in reasons that don't make sense.

On January 11 2016 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's very fucking simple. Town people try to help town and at least they think they are trying to help town.
Tubesock basically claims he wasn't trying to do that at all the first 24h of the game.

On January 11 2016 06:52 slOosh wrote:
I guess I empathize with Tubesock because I could totally see myself doing the same thing.

But I don't think Tubesock did quite what you guys are saying.

He is highlighting the fact that the reason GiygaS joined the vote wagon was out of place - that GiygaS was citing easy townreads. The place where Tubesock says that he should have used other points about himself is to say that in contrast with what could have been said, GiygaS instead chose to say something really fishy.

Like a scum making up some lame excuse to join the bandwagon.

On January 11 2016 07:01 Tubesock wrote:
My admitting my 3 posts were scummy is meant to show that GiygaS's read is fabricated.

On January 11 2016 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Except that GiygaS' reasoning is very clear. Very very clear and makes sense, especially when taken his explanation and comparing it to how he presented the argument. You can't just do this:

- Well GiygaS is scum for A.
- But he didn't do A, he in fact did B.
- Well, GiygaS is scum for A.

The whole argument in itself is a misrepresentation of GiygaS posts and motivation behind them, and Tubesock doesn't even consider that when GiygaS and me BOTH explain why this is the case.. Instead he just keeps hammering the same point, which simply cannot be true as it is basically proven false (unless he wants to argue why the explanation does not make sense -- which he isn't doing either).

On January 11 2016 07:02 Tubesock wrote:


Ding ding ding.

Yes. Exactly.

On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do.