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On January 10 2016 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. If the quote above is wrong why did you write it? I have a really really really really hard time seeing why someone.. anyone.. would EVER call himself, any of his posts, scummy. It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all because if you are town IT IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN MAKE SCUMMY POSTS. Last time someone did this we lynched him and he flipped mafia. Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:12 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He said your reads were weird because you called them easy townreads. Who cares if they are easy or not? Do you give a shit if someone comes up with the same read as you in a very difficult way? They're easy because they were my first and early. I care if they are easy or not, and everyone else should aswell. "because they were my first and early" doesn't really count as an answer since you made the post after 24hours into the game. Like what are you saying? You don't re-consider your reads at all? If they were early reads why didn't you point out those guys in your opinion are town earlier? Why did you have to wait such a long time instead of trying to move the town into right track and removing mafia possibilities if those reads were easy from the beginning?
That's an absolutely absurd thing to say that a towny has never said that their posting looks scummy. There's a fuckign game going on right now where a BLUE fucking basically said this and was lynched. Yeah, NEVER EVER oh wait...
You're thinking that a judgement on a player is constantly a fixed position. That you can't town someone a little bit, not be compelled to say it for many reasons, and that as the game goes on longer that that read doesn't move. You're also not considering that statistically people have pretty low % rates for being right, and that maybe I was happy with seeing more from people. Frankly, I think there is a very small percentage of correct reads from D1. You just don't have any information.
As far as Noon. Well, to me it looked like he saw koshi post, and posted his question before he really thought about it. Later (minutes hours who knows) and came to his conclusion.
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My point about me saying the scummy things of my posts is to point out that GiygaS took the easiest one.
He took the one that was most widely accepted.
Rayne, in what world would you see someone post the same reads as you (before you posted) and go well dude said "easy" so he's scum! Instead of ...wait a minute, hey Tube why are they easy? What's easy mean?
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On January 10 2016 21:35 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. Was that quote really wrong?
It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior.
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On January 10 2016 21:40 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:37 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 21:35 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. Was that quote really wrong? It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior. The quote doesn't say you're scum, though. It shows why people should/could have scumread you.
Ok. So semantics then. What is your question?
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On January 10 2016 21:46 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:42 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 21:40 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 21:37 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 21:35 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 21:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:You should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. Case should include things like scum claiming, bitching and whining about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when being called out for it bailing scummily. That the dude has only 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe he was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
There is plenty to case Tubesock on beyond just what Darth has said. Tubesock what is your read on Tubesock? Do you agree with the quote above? Until this GiygaS bit, I would have Tubesock as a plynch candidate. In the past when I rolled town, I think there have only been 1 person to read me town in the first 24 hours of the game. Pretty much every other player on this site I've been with scum me. But I project town pretty well after N1. I have every confidence that will happen here as well. The quote above is wrong, but I can see how you and other believe it. Was that quote really wrong? It's wrong because when I die I'll flip green. But those are perfectly logical conclusions based on my 3 posts prior. The quote doesn't say you're scum, though. It shows why people should/could have scumread you. Ok. So semantics then. What is your question?
I feel like I've answered this question twice. I don't think I'm understanding what you are actually getting at.
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On January 10 2016 22:01 mderg wrote:
Let's take the way I saw the quote. Then, was that quote right or wrong?
Uh It would be a pretty logical case. And I don't fault anyone for casing me on those points. Hell, if GiygaS did I wouldn't have anything to argue with at all. So, sure it could be right.
Now what?
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I'm going back to bed. Good night.
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On January 10 2016 23:54 Koshi wrote:
I read everything once fast. Going to do some sports and come back.
Tubesock,
Explain to me how you are playing different than the last game in which you were scum?
If I recall, you were also afk for the longest time, and then you came out the gates swinging with a case on Rels. Bit the same like here with Giygas.
What is different?
Good question. And I'm taking it as a compliment since I think you towned me there.
These two games are pretty different situations for me though. Last game I was not ever really scum read until the end. At least not scum read enough to feel threatened. I'm also pretty sure I struck first on Rels. The case I made on him I really believed.
When I'm mafia I triple check every post and make sure there is a corresponding quote I can link for everything I say. I think you could argue that last game I was overexplainy (Ritoky made a post about someone being overexplainers anonymous so I started to focus on that too). I'd be shocked if you can find a post that contradicts itself in that game though. Or a read swap on someone without reasons showing transition. Early posts I made sure I didn't have too many tr's (how Rels caught and killed me in the game prior to that) without any scum reads and that I shouldn't go very long without throwing out a read.
I don't really know how or why you should differentiate my game here and the last one. My AFKness should be NAI. I do not have internet access while I work. And due to my schedule it explains why I only get to play a game every couple of months. Much of the time there is a very real mod kill threat. Which is part of why I conceded last game. I was going to be mod killed 3 days after I conceded and I needed 5 or something to win.
I guess a lot of this questioning I'm getting I don't understand.
My entire point is that GiygaS literally did something that town would NEVER do. It's more than just scumreading me. that's not what my point is. It's how and why he did. If he were town, he'd still scum me, but there is no fucking world that exists where town scums me with his reasonings and his world view. Tell me how that's possible?
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On January 11 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote:
No. giygas is not mafia.
Do you know how much time there was between the 2 posts from Giygas? It is possible to at first think something is odd but then agree with it later.
Why isn't he mafia?
I totally get that it's possible to be "that's weird" and then mull it over and think something else.
What two posts are you talking about? I'm talking about his singular post where he cases me.
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On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.
Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.
Tubesock is fucking hard to read.
I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.
Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.
I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile.
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On January 11 2016 00:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 00:42 Tubesock wrote:On January 11 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote:
No. giygas is not mafia.
Do you know how much time there was between the 2 posts from Giygas? It is possible to at first think something is odd but then agree with it later. Why isn't he mafia? I totally get that it's possible to be "that's weird" and then mull it over and think something else. What two posts are you talking about? I'm talking about his singular post where he cases me. The post in which he says that the townreads are odd and then the post in which he calls the same people town. Or was that one post?
It was 1 post.
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1. "I'd lynch Rayn over Noon" - How do you get I want to lynch you from that? that statement is simply I townread Noon harder than I townread you. I don't see how anyone can possibly get anything else from that. Especially in the context of how and when I said it.
2. If you are townreading me because I'm saying I'm scummy and nothing else then you are bad. You're not reading what I wrote or trying to understand what I'm actually saying.
3. Obviously, I need to explain my case further since the vast majority of you guys don't understand.
Take Darthfoley's worldview. He sees my read post, and sees that 2 of my reads don't jive with his and I say they were easy which is like doubly bad. It's perfectly reasonable for him to have cased me like he did and what he said matches what his worldview looked like according to his filter.
Now pretend you are in a random game.
Player A says I read these 4 people like so easy.
You share these reads but disagree with the "easy" part. Otherwise apparently the guy is "null".
Do you A) Scum him and elevate him to the top of your scumpile then vote or
B) make him clarify his reads specifically the "easy" part.
C) maybe you think he's scum, but you're going to cite his reads instead of the real reasons you think he's scum.
GiygaS is mafia because his reads are fabricated. Him not being aware of how they match mine shows he's not invested in his own reads much to recognize our similiarities.
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On January 11 2016 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's very fucking simple. Town people try to help town and at least they think they are trying to help town.
Tubesock basically claims he wasn't trying to do that at all the first 24h of the game.
You exaggerate again. I never said once that I wasn't trying anything.
You also haven't answered my question about GiygaS. You haven't considered my points on him at all. You just picked on the periphery of what I said and then tried to latch on to why my Nooniansoong read is bad. You tried to say Noon "literally said it didn't go down like that" and then Noon later said it did.
You town GiygaS for his entrance. He immediately blue hunted and speculated setup. You didn't tr Koshi for doing the same thing? Why?
You town GiygaS for finding a discrepancy in Koshi's OP reading skills but even say that it's NAI and only says Koshi didn't read the OP as either alignment.
Yet, you scum Nooniansoong for making a question that had no purpose even though in your post on him you show that he gained a townread on it. So, it was productive. Yet, GiygaS asked a pointless question leading really no where but you town him?
My admitting my 3 posts were scummy is meant to show that GiygaS's read is fabricated. You say that having hte right reads and WHY you have the right reads is also important (why it's ok for GiygaS to scum me for the same reads but because they were "easy"). Well, my point is that GiygaS' "why" doesn't match or align in the world he sees thus he's fabricating. Fabricating is scummy as fuck.
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On January 11 2016 06:52 slOosh wrote:
I guess I empathize with Tubesock because I could totally see myself doing the same thing.
But I don't think Tubesock did quite what you guys are saying.
He is highlighting the fact that the reason GiygaS joined the vote wagon was out of place - that GiygaS was citing easy townreads. The place where Tubesock says that he should have used other points about himself is to say that in contrast with what could have been said, GiygaS instead chose to say something really fishy.
Like a scum making up some lame excuse to join the bandwagon.
Ding ding ding.
Yes. Exactly.
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On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do.
This is correct. This isn't what happened.
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On January 11 2016 06:49 darthfoley wrote:
Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town"
instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue
You completely and totally miss my point on GiygaS.
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Town question.
When you question someone, you look at the "why" of their reasonings right?
How does GiygaS's "why" match what he thinks?
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On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler +mderg: says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.
---- Line of scumminess ---
kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation
---- Line of towniness ---
noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh
---- Line of more-towniness ---
darth
eden
rayn
There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now.
this is what happened. Where did he question my reads or their ease? I think a town would have done that. GiygaS went straight to I'm scummiest, voted and said I am half of his lynch targets.
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On January 11 2016 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Yeah kush is playing exactly the same as last towngame. no
Noon looks the same as in Nutcracker.
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On January 11 2016 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am 100% going to vote for Tubesock if i can't get people on kush.
Might as well cahnge now, Noon lynch isn't happening.
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