Here's another reason ritoky is mafia.
We know GB is mafia, Rels flipped town.
Day 1 -
(1) Soft pushes GB all cycle long (starts as soon as 24 minutes into the cycle, post #245, turns up discussion between 1-5 hours into the day 1).
(2) At 1h prior to end of cycle (post 1859), he mentions Rels out of nowhere and for no reason for the first time in a shennanies list with GB. (It's my understanding Rels was AFKish and reiterated that throughout the cycle, mind you.)
(3) He mentions the trio of Shining, Rels and GB again at 2240 (20 mins to end of cycle) 2250 calls the Rels lynch.
Central to this argument is this post, post 1877
On December 29 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:01 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 06:54 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 06:48 ritoky wrote:
shining, if TT is your 2nd largest scum read, why aren't you voting him? Because he showed signs of wanting to lynch my 1st largest scumread, which gives me doubts and makes me hesitate on both. And my 1st largest scumread AFKd the game after martyring and is voting an un-CCd JK, even though that JK unclaimed and now I just don't know anymore. I guess I'd rather not be wrong on either and since TT is around, I'm interested in what he'll come up with before DL I don't like this post, nor 1 of the previous ones. I would be willing to boot up shennanie.exe for this guy, and gb, and maybe rels Do what you gotta do. Just remember you suck at reading me and I've pointed this out before. I guess you really can't backtrack once you scum me, either, because you did that last time you rolled scum vs me and I caught you. You had to pretend you were wrong that game after our shouting match. I'm down to yell again if you are. And shenannying onto GB means you'd be voting with me, since out of those 2(not counting myself), that's who I'd vote. Decisions, decisions. Well i thought you were town earlier cuz you sounded pretty honest, but then you're all wishy-washy about your 2nd biggest scum read and refuse to vote when you really should have already voted if you believed your read and sound like you're pre-emptively distancing; which could mean you're TMI setting yourself up to look good post-flip. I don't wanna vote TT cuz he the only person voting my top scum read is a dumpster reason too.
Really curious to hear what Shining and others think of this now.
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LIST POST AS FOLLOWS
All But Confirmed Town
Coagulation – Mason
ObiWanShinobi – effectively greenchecked, though I felt that way after his filter check
Pretty Damn Town
Damdred – overall approach to thinking, I’d say the read diagram meta pretty much applies here. Approach to how I replaced in was very town-oriented.
The Shining – tone: emotions are present, meta: review of his filter showed posts that paralleled an advancement of the game similar to Dark Tournament, back and forth hashing re: ritoky.
ExO_ - tone: general IDGAF attitude; actions: tunnel on Shining, several posts through day/night 3 that demonstrated a townie thinking process including voting breakdowns
Coinflips/Gut Calls – But I’m Really Thinking Town
ObviousOne – The guy has low activity, big deal, was mentioned as a lynchbait player. Shining mentioned lack of urgency, which is a major towntell. Content per post is high and demonstrates critical thinking. No one in the game has made a meta based argument otherwise. Only argument I’ve seen so far is PoE. That’s not enough in my book to call him mafia when there’s much stronger arguments on other players.
Null – Complete Tossup
Kush – Reconsidered after the bussing Slam argument and hard defence of two mafia. Not outside the possibility that he could have been tricked by Palmar. Reads don’t look organic, and not sure why he’d “ask” for towncred after the Slam lynch. However, interactions with Noon when I replaced in I really felt were townie.
Probably Mafia:
Onegu – Looked at this guy’s filter and actions and several things rubbed me the wrong way:
Fake Claim Day 2: Mind you, Tictock didn’t help himself here but given stage of the game, could have easily drawn out real cop given the very player he had outed with after “checking”, a player was likely to get lynched anyhow based on thread sentiment. Koshi had called outing extremely suboptimal. The effect of redchecking Tictock in reading through Day 2 and looking back, led town down a rabbit hole.
Repeated points that don’t make him town as if he were town: NOT confirmed town after the bussing of GB (as opposed to Slam who flipped subsequently) and he pushed it as a reason to consider him town, made a post where he’d assume he’d be in lylo (Kush had pointed this out), which again doesn’t make him any more town.
Look at the Big Picture Please and LYNCH THESE PEOPLE WITH FIRE
Ritoky:
Tone – opportunistic approach (compared to Damdred) in approaching my replacing in night 2 (see post 4241), similarities to Fullmetal (Newbie 17)
Vote Analysis: Day 1 – soft pushes GlowingBear and starts serious discussion on him but despite including him in a shennanies list, hits Rels despite not mentioning him all cycle and only 1h prior to end of cycle
Night 2 Kill: Several things don’t line up including things that ritoky had to backtrack on: See my original case here, additional arguments here and here, responses to ritoky here, additional here. Kill did not advance information (a shot on either day 2 fakeclaim) at best, and excuse for shooting Moosy is VERY flimsy. (here)
NK WIFOM: Not as strong as is on Palmar but a few things -
Palmar:
NK WIFOM: Four players (rayn, Artanis, Vivax, Koshi), one of which was scumread a bit called him out for various reasons and are dead in two nights.
Misrepresentation: Metas misrepresentation with Vivax/Artanis, clash with ExO_ Day 3 pushed at his emotions as opposed to achieving resolution.
Posting just to post and/or for the sake of defence: Meta arguments aside, Reads given on 3-4 players Day 3 were long, shiny and expansive but did not advance the game and got the townreads needed to survive. Spammed thread Day 4 as I was pushing him and ritoky in priming self for a possible defence, had that wagon gained traction.
Cop check on Slam (flipped GF) – attempted to bait cop to check godfather, was called out by OWS re anti-meta argument, responses given night 3 are either NAI or WIFOM at best.
Voting Day 3 – Voted GlowingBear over Alakaslam, when previous vote was on Alakaslam. Noon’s point on switching from mafia to mafia does nto make him more town, it makes him more mafia as he preserved the GF over the vanilla scum.
MOST PROBABALE SCUM TEAM:
Palmar/ritoky 100% - 100% these two should be lynched.
Onegu >80%
Kush approx. 50%
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