*sighs* Looks like i have some writing to do, you guys are going to go after me for a few simple stupid thoughts(which i will admit, i didn't look at the open set-up before this) And me trying to look for answers?
If anything you guys just see me as an easy target and are trying to go after me while i look weak. I've already recieved some attacks at me, but who boy have a gotten quite a bit of responses now.
Looks like i have some writing to do.
But while i'm off writing my defense of which, clearly, doesn't "contribute" to anything like you say it does, why would you think that me trying to formulate answers against people mid-game, is a "stupid/scum" trait?
On December 27 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
cuz you asked useless personal questions most of which can be answered by looking @ the DB that don't lead to mafia in any obvious way.
tho town GB mostly just calls you dumb or worthless there instead of mafia, so GB might be mafia; juzzayin.
Mafia experience? Thats not a personal question. It shows how experienced someone is. Thats why i asked it.
you can look up everyone's names! see how many games on these forums they have played, get the results of those games, and even view their filters for said games. it answers almost all of your questions.
I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.
But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.
I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.
but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?
this is a dumb angle since we all know each other and dont.
Here is a smart angle, what is your mafia experience?
You didn't even read the questions post, hun <3
10 games c:
but that sudden attack on me? Its interesting, for numerous reasons.
how in gods name can that be interpreted as an "attack"
And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad.
On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.
goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.
goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
first one is correct
Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.
The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.
The situation would go as follows:
As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".
Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.
Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".
^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with
Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.
But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?
To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.
On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.
goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.
goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
first one is correct
Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.
The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.
The situation would go as follows:
As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".
Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.
Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".
^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with
Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.
But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?
To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.
How come you said you were spending a lot of time writing a defence which never came to fruition?
Please refer to this post and answer it when you are home, ignore everything else for a while:
On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.
goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.
goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
first one is correct
Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.
The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.
The situation would go as follows:
As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".
Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.
Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".
^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with
Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.
But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?
To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.
Much more important than who is town
Who is Mafia?
Choose one person with not much to go off of?
Sicklucker, just because. That or whoever seems scummiest rn i don't care enough to do anything
On December 27 2015 11:26 N e s s wrote: tbh i'll leave ya'll with this~
I'm not going to vote for who i think is scum right now. I have standards, i'm not going to vote for anyone with little reasons to lynch.
Dude if you're town, calm down. Peoole here will call you Mafia for a big range of reasons, and we usually call each other stupid/dumb in a regular basis without actually having the intention to offend or to really mean you are an overall stupid person
It's just the way these forums are
Calm down?
I don't know if you misinterpreted that or not no, i'm not upset.
On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax?
I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning.
On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:
On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote: Hi rit can we be town bros this game?
Why would he be town with his posts so far
On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:
On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things
To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts
They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought.
He has been present since then and is only concerned with Koshi's riddle in the meantime.
As another candidate I also think GB could be mafia;
His posts towards N E S S were barebones and unable to really follow up on anything meaningful and his suspicion has seemingly been dropped off the planet since then, he was in fact more concerned with being accused by rsoultin and trying to get her to change her mind rather than following up with N E S S:
It's not an attempt to discredit, dear. I think you are wrong instead of Mafia, and knowing that you were wrong on me before reinforces the perspective where you're town here. And, since you usually can read me well, I'm not worried about a read you have on the first hours of the game. There is plenty of time until you can correctly read me.
On December 27 2015 10:47 GlowingBear wrote: Like, dear, the way you inquired me about my lack of reaction in you scum reading me felt townie. You call me Mafia, I don't OMGUS, you find it weird and you decide to investigate this better. I can see a person trying to confirm suspicions on my alignment rather than trying to force a wagon on me.
Also, if you were Mafia, I don't think you would risk getting tunneled by me like that. You could simply town read me and go after a better target.
The rest of his posts are very empty and just questions that do not lead anything such as: "Why do you think that?" "Elaborate," "Calm down."
This speaks of a GB who wants to be friends with everyone rather than a GB that wants to solve the game IMO. Things may change, they may not, GB I am on to you.
GJ guy, gj. You're seeing things in a logical manner.
you're right, in the beginning he was calling me out as "dumb/mafia" for little to no reason.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.
Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
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first one is correct
