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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 07 2016 00:48 Kmatt wrote: What's wrong with my post? You're basically interpreting stuff to fit your scum read on me. You see inactives flipping town, so you prefer to go against active scum. The consequence of it is that you're going against me. The problem with this is: 1) You've already being voting me since the beginning of the game, which means this thing of killing actives isn't prior to your decision to go against me. So you're already going against me and now you're finding more excuses to vote me. 2) I've never seen a game with an entire team of active scum. That said, if you've already hit 2 inactive townies, your chances of hitting inactive scum gets bigger, and not the opposite. So saying that you now are going against active scum doesn't make sense | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 07 2016 00:46 GlowingBear wrote: Well, lynch me today When I flip town lynch my scum reads They are Giygas/mderg/? Also remember what I said on NM before I'm getting ready to work and I'll be AFK during the entire day. I hope you guys do the right thing. If you don't, do NOT ignore my reads. I don't understand (1) why is mderg mafia? Your reason for scumming him boils down to his style. I read his town games (disclaimer - could not get to his scum games yet) and his style in this game is similar to his town games. so I don't like your argument and any of the arguments against him on passivity. Of further note, mderg has gotten mislynched a bunch of times looking at his record. (2) your points against gigyas are somewhat legitimate regarding not understanding his reads, mindset but I also agree with Noon that how he's formulating scumteams looks towny. what I had wanted to ask you was the way you attacked his approach to the thread, he gave a lot of RL excuses but those excuses were nai. where I have more trouble is that gigyas had posted since yet you made that same conclusion. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 07 2016 01:01 NocturneMage wrote: phoneposting - I don't understand (1) why is mderg mafia? Your reason for scumming him boils down to his style. I read his town games (disclaimer - could not get to his scum games yet) and his style in this game is similar to his town games. so I don't like your argument and any of the arguments against him on passivity. Of further note, mderg has gotten mislynched a bunch of times looking at his record. (2) your points against gigyas are somewhat legitimate regarding not understanding his reads, mindset but I also agree with Noon that how he's formulating scumteams looks towny. what I had wanted to ask you was the way you attacked his approach to the thread, he gave a lot of RL excuses but those excuses were nai. where I have more trouble is that gigyas had posted since yet you made that same conclusion. ebwop - his record for getting mislynched is somewhat relevant, I forget which game it was but I recall him defending himself against a vigshot/vote for not scumhunting, and I felt that argument sort of paralleled what is going on in this game with him. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: mafia mderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment) for further clarity this is the argument you are using against mderg, as far as I've read your filter, and you continue to scum him throughout this is the argument I am disputing. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 07 2016 01:01 NocturneMage wrote: phoneposting - I don't understand (1) why is mderg mafia? Your reason for scumming him boils down to his style. I read his town games (disclaimer - could not get to his scum games yet) and his style in this game is similar to his town games. so I don't like your argument and any of the arguments against him on passivity. Of further note, mderg has gotten mislynched a bunch of times looking at his record. (2) your points against gigyas are somewhat legitimate regarding not understanding his reads, mindset but I also agree with Noon that how he's formulating scumteams looks towny. what I had wanted to ask you was the way you attacked his approach to the thread, he gave a lot of RL excuses but those excuses were nai. where I have more trouble is that gigyas had posted since yet you made that same conclusion. (1) I don't care for his history of being mislynched, I care for how I read him in this and and he looks scummy to me. Every time I let people survive because of playstyle I give him free pass to win the game as scum. (2) I don't have to update my read on anyone if their new posts are as equal as their past posts. I can understand his point of killing me or Onegu as town, but I still think he looks scummy. I don't think working with scum teams is townie at all. Scum teams is so easy to set up as Mafia, because associative reads are way easier to fake than legitimate reads. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
- why townread FF if you have agreed that he's not confirmed town just because of the replacement. -why townread fidei even after that bad case? Obviously your case on mderg or gigyas is not that strong, since your reasoning is mostly based on their passive playstyle. SO why not consider fidei? | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 07 2016 01:15 GlowingBear wrote: (2) I don't have to update my read on anyone if their new posts are as equal as their past posts. I can understand his point of killing me or Onegu as town, but I still think he looks scummy. I don't think working with scum teams is townie at all. Scum teams is so easy to set up as Mafia, because associative reads are way easier to fake than legitimate reads. So what's left is lack of reads and passivity. Right? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 07 2016 01:24 nooniansoong wrote: @GB - why townread FF if you have agreed that he's not confirmed town just because of the replacement. -why townread fidei even after that bad case? Obviously your case on mderg or gigyas is not that strong, since your reasoning is mostly based on their passive playstyle. SO why not consider fidei? I'm not townreading FF but I think there are better lynches than him today. I think fidei came strong to the game so I would only reevaluate him later if I survive | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 07 2016 01:26 nooniansoong wrote: So what's left is lack of reads and passivity. Right? Yes | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
And if that is the case and they are voting mderg, that's fine, because the lynch I want todaynis giygas | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I'm voting Giygas. I'm town. Do the right thing | ||
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nooniansoong
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
Vote Count - Day 3 GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86 GiygaS (1): GlowingBear At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched. Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 07 2016 02:23 GlowingBear wrote: The only reason I'm not flipping out is because this is a newbie game lol U better flip scum | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
Looks like I was wrong on kush and he is actually town. His defence of me makes absolutely no sense as scum in this situation. His activity and questioning look very towny this day. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
I didn't like the quick townread on Irish for a very typical first post. His reasoning would work on like 90% of opening posts. He continued with prodding here and there and asking some questions which I liked. There was absolutely no follow up, though. I really don't like #300. Having the same read doesn't mean you can't find it strange how someone else came to the read. That thought process is something I even consider towny. When he voted kmatt to me it felt like he delayed his explanation to actually find reasons to scumread him. It's definitely possible that he was speaking the truth here, though. Then he made a small "case" on kmatt. It's mainly about lack of confidence in the reads. Lack of confidence in ones reads is not something I'd build a case on this early in the game. After that he scumreads Onegu and me. Onegu based on meta. I can't say too much about it but obviously Onegu flipped town. He scumreads me mainly for having very few original thoughts. I disagree on that but whatever. When the scott wagon got rolling he defended him by trying to lynch kmatt. I'm not really sure, did he want to lynch kmatt or did he want to defend scott? Looking through it it was actually much more attacking kmatt than I remembered. Could come from town could come from scum. He then townreads kmatt for the huge case but doesn't engage it at all because he doesn't care about cases made on him and skipped it by default. A bit later, though, he almost immediately responds to NM's (admittedly much smaller) case on him. That just doesn't add up, scummy. He then proceeds to scumread Giygas based on Irish's reads. That's scummy and we have gone through that enough times now. After he got under pressure he obviously defended himself a lot and gives explanations on his posts and reads which is simply NAI. IMO the only notable thing after that is him complaining about Shape being modconfirmed town. It doesn't really make sense and I have a wild and possibly stupid theory about that. This is not the time for that, though. So yeah, I can understand GB's play at some points and not everything put up against him is exclusively scummy. But there are some things I simply don't see a townie come up with and there's little to nothing that says "I'm town". This means he should be the lynch today (which kind of seems to be decided on based on the activity in the last few hours). | ||
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GlowingBear
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