EPTOn December 08 2015 08:37 Fidei86 wrote:
Right. Quick game of dota then bed. Will catch up in the am.
Right. Quick game of dota then bed. Will catch up in the am.
Scum.
(joking. just had to say this.)
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NocturneMage
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Scum. (joking. just had to say this.) | ||
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LightningStrike
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Fecalfeast
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##vote trfel consider me a gullible extra vote bot for now i guess | ||
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DoYouHas
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This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true. ##Unvote My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum. | ||
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Tictock
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Vote Count Trfel (2): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast Fidei86(1): Rels LightningStrike (1): Fidei86 Not Voting (5): disformation, Trfel, The Shining, LightningStrike, DoYouHas Currently Trfel is set to be lynched. This Day ends at Tuesday, Dec 08 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Lynch Voting is done in the voting thread (here). Do not PM me your vote. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. | ||
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Fidei86
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On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote: Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused... This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true. ##Unvote My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum. What about LS? | ||
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Fidei86
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- His read progression on NM is okay (although it's a bit weird to start off scum reading them and then a day later be willing to mindlessly sheep him) - He doesn't seem impressed with LS' filter, but never gives a real read on him - Most importantly, most of his filter is him scum reading Trfel. BUT when it comes to voting him, he says "oh well I'm just sheeping NM". Huh? Like, his Trfel read is basically his one contribution to the game, but now he's pretending like it didn't happen, passing all responsibility onto NM. Phone post, but this filter is definitely worth diving with references if I get a chance this evening. | ||
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Fidei86
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On December 08 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: Fidei please comment on post 1691, same with Rels when you return based on your last input. I appreciate the work you put in on this Alex, but really your post seems to be a very long version of "someone might be helping LS". Of course they might. Although, if they were helping him, they'd probably tell him to stop being so hopeless. No, I think the more likely explanation is that scum LS is genuinely unable to lie. Like, he struggles with it. I struggled with it mightily too when I was mafia with Rels in SOTW2. And when you can't lie, the easiest thing to do is to constantly ask other people questions, give the blandest town reads possible to everyone and generally be useless. I should apologise to LS because if he is trying as town, I'm giving him a very hard time. But this is a game and I can only read what I have in front of me. I really, really, really want everyone to imagine this game if LS isn't lynched. He's going to continue to be an absolute coin-flip throughout the whole game. Like, people have suspicions over Trfel, me, DYH ... I have a recent suspicion on FF. But at least all of those people have shown *some* willing to try and solve the game. If any of them are town, that towniness should in theory be possible to distinguish. LS is always going to be objectively scummy in this game. He has had two full game days to change his play and he hasn't. We lynch him now, maybe hit scum, but definitely get rid of the big damn question-mark over his head. Yes, it's a policy lynch. I get that people think it's lazy. But I've been in too many games where Onegu has AFK'd through the first three days and then got mislynched at the end. | ||
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Rels
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On December 08 2015 10:54 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, here we go. Some deep filter research/past games on LS. I'm going through a few LS games as scum. I have some bad news for all you LS defenders, I think current meta is unreliable in gauging him as town. He actually has a very decent chance of being mafia. I'm looking at two scum games by LS - Jack of All Trades - endgamed night 3, mafia victory TL Mafia LXX Guardians of the Galaxy - lynched day 2, mafia victory In both games he has played as mafia, and looks decently (at first glance) close to his current playstyle in this game. Read the Guardians filter in particular and he was downed by a very lucky random tracker role check. Key areas in this one - Damdred had him as scum in that game. This game, he was going to vote LS and only changed based on the modconfirm. Reliability of metaread? Food for thought. IDK. In that game, he was straight up tracker checked and you can't really fight a tracker check. IDK. Now Jack of All Trades - he was clearly coached to play to his town meta this game. This was by geript. Evidence - postgame mentioning by a teammate LS in this game actually endgamed town. So whoever said that LS has trouble playing as mafia......sorry mate, you are wrong. Dead wrong. He endgamed in Jack of All Trades and there's a reason. Further evidence: the game's respective mafia QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Nu9EUQfvt53 geript is completely coaching him to play to his town meta. Same thing could very well be happening with a potential HTS/LS team. HTS and whoever else could be working with him for the same thing here. James you might be on to something here. That policy lynch vote very well might be on to a mafia. TLDR: The current reads right now based on this past performance are unreliable, so at best LS is a coin flip regardless of what people are thinking of this modconfirmation. Scrolled through these two games. In neither LS screamed with all caps, even when being lynched. Furthermore, HTS checking LS' meta so close to the deadline and without unvoting him indicates HTS distancing herself from a town lynch rather than trying to save a teammate. | ||
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Rels
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On December 08 2015 19:17 Fidei86 wrote: Where are you Rels? Time to pick up a little bit of the weight here, bro. Here bro. Still wanting to lynch LS ? I will fight against that lynch. | ||
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Fidei86
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On December 08 2015 19:27 Rels wrote: Here bro. Still wanting to lynch LS ? I will fight against that lynch. (1) Screaming in all caps is LITERALLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO IN THE GAME. IT SHOULD BE USED FOR EMPHASIS ONLY WHEN MAKING IMPORTANT POINTS. (2) Who knows why HTS did what she did. But this point does hold a little more weight. I have thought about it a fair bit. I'm just concerned that it's a little too much WIFOM and a little too little objectivity. And who else do you want to lynch? Me? | ||
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Rels
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On December 08 2015 19:14 Fidei86 wrote: I appreciate the work you put in on this Alex, but really your post seems to be a very long version of "someone might be helping LS". Of course they might. Although, if they were helping him, they'd probably tell him to stop being so hopeless. No, I think the more likely explanation is that scum LS is genuinely unable to lie. Like, he struggles with it. I struggled with it mightily too when I was mafia with Rels in SOTW2. And when you can't lie, the easiest thing to do is to constantly ask other people questions, give the blandest town reads possible to everyone and generally be useless. I should apologise to LS because if he is trying as town, I'm giving him a very hard time. But this is a game and I can only read what I have in front of me. I really, really, really want everyone to imagine this game if LS isn't lynched. He's going to continue to be an absolute coin-flip throughout the whole game. Like, people have suspicions over Trfel, me, DYH ... I have a recent suspicion on FF. But at least all of those people have shown *some* willing to try and solve the game. If any of them are town, that towniness should in theory be possible to distinguish. LS is always going to be objectively scummy in this game. He has had two full game days to change his play and he hasn't. We lynch him now, maybe hit scum, but definitely get rid of the big damn question-mark over his head. Yes, it's a policy lynch. I get that people think it's lazy. But I've been in too many games where Onegu has AFK'd through the first three days and then got mislynched at the end. That is exactly why LS is probably confirmed town: how he yelled in all caps at deadline D1. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 08 2015 19:31 Fidei86 wrote: (1) Screaming in all caps is LITERALLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO IN THE GAME. IT SHOULD BE USED FOR EMPHASIS ONLY WHEN MAKING IMPORTANT POINTS. (2) Who knows why HTS did what she did. But this point does hold a little more weight. I have thought about it a fair bit. I'm just concerned that it's a little too much WIFOM and a little too little objectivity. And who else do you want to lynch? Me? Don't know, let's talk about it. Trfel ? You're townreading him right ? What happened to your NM potential scumread BTW ? | ||
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Fidei86
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WTF? How can you possibly believe that? | ||
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Rels
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On December 08 2015 19:33 Fidei86 wrote: IS THIS WHAT IT HAS COME TO RELS? YOU SOLVE PERSONALITIES (ALMOST), YOU CARRY SOTW AND A BUNCH OF OTHER GAMES, AND NOW YOU WILL EXHONERATE LS BECAUSE HE USED ALL CAPS TO SAY "I'M NOT MAFIA"??? WTF? How can you possibly believe that? Bro calm down. I really think it is town indicative for LS. Sry if that's not classy enough for you. | ||
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