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On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented.
But Dani would you not agree that usually he puts more of an effort than this? Thinking about switching.
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On December 03 2015 06:02 disformation wrote:
Hmm... was skimming through the rest of Rels filter. Looked pretty good to me.
On December 03 2015 06:17 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 05:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Okay. Let me try. So you assume that the good play for town/boxeR is to not claim. Two people say the opposite. So Rels rushes to the help of town and presents a good argument why boxeR should not claim. So a) he is town or b) he wants the town cred. He analyzes the setup, which is possible as either alignment. hmmm... the op doesn't say whether mafia knows the setup or not... and you are right he seems pretty convinced that mafia does not know the setup. This part is kinda strange indeed... The parts about it feels too good and is he this good confuse me a bit though. Like what do they add to this argument, besides making it look like a fear read a lot? =p maybe I should go and read rels more in depth... Maybe this is just not a good argument at all. One more try. The key word is that Rels is rushing to the aid of town. Rushing, because speed is important. And his post is extremely knowledgeable, and is a really comprehensive explanation. I find it hard to believe that he got confirmation that scum didn't know the setup in time to make this post, for example. If Rels was around earlier, he should have been posting. Town wouldn't avoid posting like that. Basically, Rels took extra time to make sure his argument was completely explained and correct, when town wants to post as quickly as possible. This makes me wonder if the motivation behind the post is, instead of helping town, to make himself look better, which would mean that Rels is mafia. The argument falls apart if Rels is good enough to make this post as town without taking much extra time, which is what I was trying to get at. That seems really unlikely, but I can't completely rule it out. Not sure I like or agree with this post. I might be biased here because I've cohosted two games now with Rels, both of which are themed and both of which require him to know his mechanics in depth. I concluded this post alone was NAI because anyone skilled enough or knowledgeable enough about setup spec can speak to their opinions about what certain roles should and should not do. My opinion based on what I read in the OP/day post was that scum can narrow down the setup as they know their own roles so Rels' post is reasonable based on the fact that if the boxer claims, they can further narrow down the setup. The part about 100% sure on the setup is completely false, based on his saying "there are two possible setups....etc" no they don't know for sure but like I said before they can narrow it down based on how BH (and clearly you know from what you've posted?) assigns the roles in his games in the mafia QT, and that would appear to be Rels argument. I don't know where you are getting "took extra time" (I'm seeing a 10 minute gap between Damdred's and Rels response and from what I'm reading of the thread/their filters, for both players it is their first appearances in the thread, 23:27 and 23:37 respectively) or how you'd know he would have posted that otherwise unless I'm reading that sentence wrong. What I'm trying to say is it appears to me that you are reaching here especially since as Rels hadn't posted yet in the thread so I don't know how you can even assume that. It seems like a few assumptions "if he was around" etc. but even if you are making the argument that 10 minutes is too long for him to construct his post, that's still a poor assumption because when you look at his filter that 23:37 post is the first post he makes in the game. You don't know if he arrives at 23:35, sees that and just churns it out which makes the "completely explained and correct" part a reach on your end as well.
OK I feel HTS and disfo have no reason as scum to push suspicions off me.
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On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS.
LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour.
Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to?
Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed.
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On December 03 2015 07:28 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:25 Fidei86 wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Okay that's just not true Trfel. I'm getting cold feet because LS usually fights his corner on somewhat sensible grounds. I've never seen a response like that before. Hmm. You were in Himalayas and so was he, surely you remember when he lost the plot?
Yeah but it was more hurt. Here he just sounds irrationally angry.
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I think the LS lynch is good.
I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make.
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On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented.
Mmmm I didn't read or play that game. But the votes are tied and still people not voting. Does it make sense to freak like that then afk if ur town? I've never been good at reading LS so I'm genuinely asking hefe
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On December 03 2015 07:28 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. But Dani would you not agree that usually he puts more of an effort than this? Thinking about switching.
...I'm still on the fence with you. Don't vote LS and make this harder for me sigh
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On December 03 2015 07:31 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. Mmmm I didn't read or play that game. But the votes are tied and still people not voting. Does it make sense to freak like that then afk if ur town? I've never been good at reading LS so I'm genuinely asking hefe I thought he said he was in the middle of coming home from class?
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On December 03 2015 07:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:28 Fidei86 wrote:On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. But Dani would you not agree that usually he puts more of an effort than this? Thinking about switching. ...I'm still on the fence with you. Don't vote LS and make this harder for me sigh
? Care to explain.
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Shining - checking the Drams filter then. I think he was in school at that time so that should normalise for his being afk.
.....and this is why I stated he had 30 minutes to talk to us. Or whatever I said, it's more than enough time to discuss and run an alternate lynch. He does freak out at the slightest bit of pressure and he claims prematurely when he's blue, here he claimed VT though.
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On December 03 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:31 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. Mmmm I didn't read or play that game. But the votes are tied and still people not voting. Does it make sense to freak like that then afk if ur town? I've never been good at reading LS so I'm genuinely asking hefe I thought he said he was in the middle of coming home from class?
He said he was leaving soon, then the angry post said idk home. Idk=omw?
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Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS
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On December 03 2015 07:34 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:33 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:28 Fidei86 wrote:On December 03 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. But Dani would you not agree that usually he puts more of an effort than this? Thinking about switching. ...I'm still on the fence with you. Don't vote LS and make this harder for me sigh ? Care to explain.
You were an early scumread of mine. You also scumleaned me. Palmar basically said I OMGUSd you and him for bad reasons and I explained why I thought that one early post felt scummy to me. Ive been pressed for time since I got back today because I'm at work but I skimmed your filter and saw you towned me through that Palmar exchange. But I made some posts a while ago asking Damdred to explain his TR on you. I still have my doubts on you. But since you've been here, you haven't tried to engage me on my read until now. And you're considering voting LS, who I'm considering voting. So do I want to vote with someone I have doubts about? That makes this hard for me.
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On December 03 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
Let me juts simply state why LS is scum so people will go yep sheep the damdred.
1) Little to no reads
2) No scum hunting
3) Not really involved in the thread as it goes forward, really side lined
4) Has no scum reads at all even states as much
5) His trfel progression is very strange
Good lynch indeed
Yep this is true. Especially the no scum reads at all, since I showed him his Trfel read didn't make sense. When I asked him for a team, he said he wanted to evaluate kush and Onegu.
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On December 03 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to watch tv for half an hour or so.
I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it.
Where is the "I'm proud of my D1 skills" ?
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Vote Count
LightningStrike (6): Damdred, disformation, Palmar, Half the Sky, kushm4sta, DoYouHas
MoosyDoosy (3): Fidei86, Trfel, LightningStrike
Fidei86 (1): Rels
Not Voting (3): The Shining, MoosyDoosy, Onegu
Currently LightningStrike is set to be lynched.
This Day ends at Wednesday, Dec 02 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
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Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
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On December 03 2015 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay DAMDRED IS A FUCKING IDIOT WHY FORGOT TO READ I ME BEEN BUT HE READ ME CORRECTLY ALL BUT THE TIME HE BEEN MAFIA.............
Dropping my vote on MD IDK HOME BUT I VT I DON'T TO DIE NOW.
##Vote:MooseyDoosey
OK rsoultin read time: angry LS is town LS.
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I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on.
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Thing is, I don't recall LS being under pressure in that game so that still gives me pause.
Fuck it I'm going back to Witchcraft 3, I didn't see that game (scum LS) whether he was emotional. If he was emotional in even one scum game, then the meta can be considered broken IDK.
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