Haunted Mansion Mini Mafia

On November 25 2015 08:34 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to create a town circle. The rules to join this town circle will be formed tomorrow. I need to think about a flawless system.

First couple of requirements:
1) Keep Koshi entertained. (aka post enough and don't be boring)
2) Call a lot of people mafia, and therefore vote a shitton (You are allowed to vote for Koshi but membership might be revoked, it depends on how I perceive my own play)


I'll find more rules on the way.



PS: it isn't really a towncircle, more a town pyramid and I am on top and you are all on the bottom. That being said, being in the town pyramid makes you a better person.

On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

On November 25 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:


i played two games with him this month where he was . drum rollllllll

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On November 25 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town?

On November 25 2015 09:45 ANickelDrink wrote:
I didn't plan to reveal myself until I started to write an entry post. Why should I bother to worry about my persona as town?

I did in fact plan to smurf this game as either alignment but as town I can't get into a deceitful mood.

On November 25 2015 10:08 sicklucker wrote:


his decision to smurf is because he does not want people to figure out his brilliant mafia game. This is what hes saying. It makes no sense

On November 25 2015 11:11 Koshi wrote:
This thread needs more drama.

On November 25 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote:


Townie post here

On November 25 2015 11:31 ANickelDrink wrote:

?

I made this account for this game of mafia with the intention to smurf, before I got my alignment. After the game started it felt like too much effort to try and hide my posting style. I could retroactively justify it by saying I wanted to save town the time and effort figuring out who I am but really it's because I don't want to think when I post

On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:

explain

On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla?

On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic

On November 25 2015 12:27 ANickelDrink wrote:
like if it's not alignment indicative then he can't really push the discussion anywhere since there's nowhere for it to go.

If he had just said "I see what you mean but..." instead of "You have a point" it would be saying the same thing, no?

besides he actually said

On November 25 2015 12:41 ObviousOne wrote:

he admitted to ignoring the setup completely

mystery solved m80

On November 25 2015 12:54 ObviousOne wrote:

tbh i don't see how because it was easy that i shouldnt have commented on it, it was literally the first event in the game worth talking about and i wanted to see if he was slipping up as mafia or something. ignorance was the simplest explanation and also his claimed excuse.

the reason that it didnt have a conclusion was pretty obviously stating my thoughts in the thread, i thought people might like to see that. i'll try to do less thinking since it offends you so.

On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic

On November 26 2015 01:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
*Baaa*
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On November 26 2015 02:14 Sn0_Man wrote:

this felt like a vote that will make the game progress in a more positive manner atm
also i wanted to post baaaa

+1

+1

On November 26 2015 02:14 marvellosity wrote:

just you wait till i get my tunnel that's not really a tunnel on you, you'll feel much better

On November 26 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:


In late game he is pretty obvious when he is mafia (usually) and if he is town his existence is always a threat to mafia. Which means I don't have to worry

On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:
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I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one.


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Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv

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On November 27 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote:
Not when I'm perfectly fine with lynching TT. The last thing I need is people fighting on multiple fronts when we're headed the right way.

On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
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i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.

tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now

sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.

boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.

fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.

as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.

feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.

honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever

strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}

oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel

i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny

#vote: onegu

On November 27 2015 02:32 marvellosity wrote:

bingo

compare to GB who is at least reconsidering in his own, bizarre way

On November 27 2015 03:25 Sn0_Man wrote:

GB's on vivax

On November 27 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:


Yes.

And I can relate to Vivax when he says Tictock came back over-contributive

On November 27 2015 23:15 Koshi wrote:

Because you are way to final/certain in your posting already. If I had to give a reason. Too much drama? I can't nail it.

I am far from convinced TT is mafia. Could be though. I should really look who voted Vivax and at what times. Chrom/TT scumteam might be possible, Chrom did lose track of his own game (OO) and went for the vote on Vivax while he had TT and marv as suspicious.

So dnu. It is possible. It's not something I am going to be hunting any time soon. If TT flips mafia I am coolio, but if he will be able to proof himself coming days there is nothing much left of your play tbh.

On November 28 2015 02:02 Koshi wrote:
So I started with saying we shouldn't rehearse things and then went after Chrom some more. Not bad.

Chrommie, my Baratheon Borther, try to play harder can you?

On November 28 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote:


Because I want my lynch and TT isn't any better than OO. IMHO.

On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.

koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.

the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic.

On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:
brace yourselves

thanksgiving is coming

i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple?

On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
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i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.

tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now

sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.

boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.

fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.

as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.

feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.

honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever

strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}

oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel

i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny

#vote: onegu

On November 27 2015 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's an interesting point that like 75% of chromatically's filter is blasting everything OO says but he doesn't really try to get anybody to vote for OO at all, he's just trying to justify his safe little vote.

Even when moving to vivax he keeps blasting OO without any attempt to actually get him lynched

On November 28 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
im around n reading but its night n stuff

that post was of course when koshi was discussing u and i was putting in my thoughts. there was never a point where a lynch on u was viable and even had their been I preferred the tictock lynch at that point.

On November 28 2015 04:44 ObviousOne wrote:
IF I was maf it would have been easy as fuck to declare I had a scum read on Vivax or even just sheep someone else's case on him and vote for him and not be in this situation at all, but from my list of potential day one lynches vivax was two levels below my preferred lynches and I already said I don't have the first clue on how to read him. why would I bother to either point out I have no idea how to read him if there was a chance he could be lynched that I could have some credibility to join if i had not said that? town lynches that are easy to jump on or to be "convinced" of joining are my jam if i'm mafia.

nor would i vote for ticktock on a day one in this game either based on his recovery before going to bed two nights ago, but i still haven't given the game a proper re-read to see if he's someone that deserves to be up for a day two lynch or not, that's something I'll look into later.

so with the information i had to wit and the list of people i would be willing to lynch how could i possibly vote for either of them if i had zero confidence in one of them being mafia? in my mind onegu was a better candidate because it's possible there might never be anything there to read until it's too late to deal with it.

finally, calling my reactions overreactions is subjective compared to other people and if you want to see how they are not overreactions you'll want to look at maybe one or two of my previous town games and how i react to suspicion, since i can't necessarily trust anyone here to factually report on that, nor would i expect anyone to defend me at this stage considering how well i always fit in a mafia line up all the time.

On November 28 2015 06:18 GlowingBear wrote:


Chrome, I agree with most of things you say about OO.

If I lynch him would you give me my lynch?

On November 28 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote:
Ah i wanna be a ghost. shut uo ff its so obvious that Vengeful spirits are people who got lynched (vivax) and Benevolent ghosts is marv.

So vengefuls are lynched and benevolent are nked an who knows what mafia will be

On November 29 2015 00:55 Tictock wrote:
After going through his filter, I'm starting to think Chrom is town.

Most of his filter is related to pushing OO, but he makes some solid points like enough that I might have to reconsider my read on OO. A few things feel nit picky though, and this post give me some odd feels.



First the rolehunting thing happened before (though not by much) the FF smurf thing got brought up, so it's only natural for OO to react to that first. I'm also not sure why you wouldn't comment on something you felt was off even if it has an easy explanation, so that point doesn't make sense to me either.

Post kinda feels like it's beating a dead horse.

Maybe it feels off to me since I get why OO might push SL for saying he was rolehunting. I also kinda feel like reacting to SL saying he was rolehunting is more of a town thing to do, since Scum are more likely to be aware that there are no roles for them to play around in this game.

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On November 29 2015 00:55 Tictock wrote:
@Chrom

Can you elaborate on your GB townread for me?

On November 29 2015 02:41 Koshi wrote:
ANickelDrink

This person might be mafia. Isn't doing that much and COULND'T CARE LESS about who got lynched. When he said he voted because "shenannies could happen" IT WAS 100% OBVIOUS it would not happen.

If TT is town like he claims. He should look at this person instead of giving fefe a freaking free pass as top town.

On November 29 2015 08:31 ObviousOne wrote:

point 1: his idea of how i went about interrogating sl regarding his rolehunting "joke" was apparently so bad it must have come from mafia, not from a genuinely confused and interrogative townie. never considered this, suits a specific agenda

point 2: sucking up to GB/marv, one who we know is town and the other who i'm relatively confident is town

point 3: vote on vivax justified by a playstyle choice alone, that vivax wanted to focus on one agenda instead of multiple, which i guess is his thing now.

point 4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25151168 "I thought [they were mafia]" implying he doesn't think that at the time of this post or he's unaware he's leaking his knows our alignments

point 5: his vivax vote post feels like how i would "choose" between two town wagons as maf, or in the case that my read on TT is completely off then obviously the town wagon instead of the mafia wagon.

there's some feelers for you

On November 29 2015 12:34 ANickelDrink wrote:
Chrome just kinda blew OO's post out of the water. Am I wrong?

On November 29 2015 15:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I AM DRUUUUUUUUUUNK

SCUM TEAM IS OO SNO AND SCOTT

BYE BYE

DRUNK AENSES NOT SO SURE ON OO THO

On November 29 2015 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?

Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).

I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.

Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.

On November 30 2015 03:50 Tictock wrote:


Its more like I can see a town mindset behind that post by OO, though I should look at it again a little closer when I get home.

You've already addressed his points quite well.

On November 30 2015 06:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Chrom are you ok with lynching SNO?

On November 30 2015 06:26 GlowingBear wrote:


Please help me think this through

On November 30 2015 06:38 GlowingBear wrote:


Well Sn0 is clearly lurking, generally because he doesn't have the time to play I suppose.
But when day2 started he just came to the thread and said OMG WTF SPIRITS IN VOTE COUNTS. I went to see if he casted a vote, but he didn't (unless the vote count is wrong)

So why the hell did he enter the coting thread in the first place?

Then I remembered Mafia knows what the hidden mechanic is, and that made me think it was a slip?

On November 30 2015 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
onegu not voting probably makes him town sadly. Id say hes >50% town here

On November 30 2015 13:39 sicklucker wrote:
OO gb were both really defensive when I went after ff early if i recall. who else was?

On November 30 2015 13:48 sicklucker wrote:


well my point with that is. im not saying there mafia with ff because they defended him. im saying they might be mafia for defending him dispute my logic being decent for 1 hour into the game stuff.

They could do it to pocket or to defend w/e

On December 01 2015 09:18 Tictock wrote:


Honestly I keep coming to this conclusion myself.

His filter is short, but it's decent.

Also that last EoD screams Town v Town to me.

What do you think about a possible team of GB, Koshi, FF?

On December 01 2015 09:20 Tictock wrote:
I mean obliviously I can never be sure if Onegu or Scott are town here.

But I do kinda think Onegu is town, and a mafia!scott would probably try and explain his ninja vote a little... maybe

On December 01 2015 12:47 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if I can break the game based on the fact sl got shot and not chrom. Because chrom was also in the clear atm...

Like... if we believe oo to be town, chrom is kinda auto mafia for me. Hmm maybe chrom is always auto mafia.

But why was sl shot... Got to look it all over. Wi do it. Got time maybe. No filters thiugh at work. Quite annoying.

On November 30 2015 13:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like koshi and chrone I want to live in a world where the mafia team is 00 + two of ff/gb/scott onegu?

Not becuase I necessarily believe its that world but because its are only chance of winning

On December 01 2015 13:36 Koshi wrote:
I agree that FF should be first candidate after those 3. Like... It would make A LOT of sense he is mafia with 2 out of those 3.

On December 01 2015 13:37 Koshi wrote:
I hope you are not just rehearsing what I said but I am sure you are not. mafia would jsut agree with me.


WELCOME TO THE PYRAMID OF LOVE.


Chrom is first member.

On December 01 2015 14:49 sicklucker wrote:
random thought the one game I played with oo I single handily destroyed mafia and saved his ass from a mislynch. Making him more likely to nk me. But also he derped so hard i think hes town now...

On December 02 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, it should be pretty telling that Mafia isn't jumping right on a fair wagon on scott, and that OO can easily lynch lurker Onegu but never ever talks about lurker scott.

It's ridiculous how FF's wagon has piled up

On December 03 2015 02:32 Onegu wrote:
So I am really sick. I feel like shit.

Game says no replacements and it is day 3 anyway. It also says no modkills...

I will throw my vote on koshi again. Maybe will fill better later.

##Vote Koshi

On December 03 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
I would say town now is the favorite to win but the order of lynches here will be very important

On November 25 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote:



No I am just claiming VT.

Have something to talk about post game. Wont bring it up now.

I am on side FF looks worse for outing his smurf so early...

On November 25 2015 14:55 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I'm thinking the FF smurf thing is NAI - I'm glad it got the conversation started though.


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On November 25 2015 09:08 ObviousOne wrote:
the outing scenario, taken alone:

i take fefe's self-outing to mean that he's town and he wants to win the game, and that he believes his normal town behaviour when not associated with his name will lead to being lynched, therefore he can be himself from the beginning. would be hella easy if he rolled mafia to just go along with staying closeted about his identity and doing literally anything else.


that said, i don't think it's really worth using the situation to judge whether or not he's town in a vacuum so just see where he goes from here

On November 25 2015 11:18 GlowingBear wrote:


And this post makes you fairly scum

On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.

On December 04 2015 04:17 sicklucker wrote:


Gb makes oo the second wagon early day two. This suggests they are probably not team mates

But gb scott and ff all do end up voting for oo in the end. This acualy suggests OO is mafia probably with scott and ff. After reading this vote logic I think we have to move onegu out of are poe list and lynch

Scott
Gb
OO

and thats probably never changing. All three voted together to save OO over sno man on day 2. While onegu did not even vote. This probably means onegu is town and the two mafia are in the other two.

On December 04 2015 04:24 sicklucker wrote:
Conclusion - Since onegu did not vote in any meaningful manner this game I find it very hard to believe hes mafia. Mafia would at least ask his team mates who to vote if he was not playing the game and process to afk vote in a way that gives mafia a chance to win. Onegu did not do this but scott however did.

Onegu is never flipping mafia here and since we only have 2-3 guaranteed lynches we should focus on the other 3 players who have a track record of voting together. Oo might have jsut tricked me with dumbtells ff literally hammered to save him altho how he and scott ended up voting OO should be reread because they both voted Snow_man over OO when it mattered.

On December 03 2015 23:45 Tictock wrote:


This is a fucking weird list man

Retracting my tentative townread on you..

You afk voted Chrom yesterday and now he's top 3 town?

You have no read on me or Koshi at all, so we end up 3rd and 4th scummiest?

On December 04 2015 08:10 Koshi wrote:
and mylo is worth shit due to not voting for no lynch.

SL, Koshi confirmed
TT, Chrom top tier town or top tier mafia
OO, GB town or mafia
Scott, Onegu trash town or trash mafia

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Scott voting for Snow to put him in the lead vs OO does not make OO more mafia, it just means that if it was town vs town mafia scott was more afraid that Snow could prove himself town and that OO was more lynchbait in the future. Ofc it also could be OO is mafia and scott tried to save him.

Dnu. OO is pretty null from all these votes.

On December 05 2015 03:46 sicklucker wrote:
Like thisi s probably the mafia qt right now featuring scott and gb. you know were really screwed but on the plus side onegu is the most scummy and dumb person of all time we cant give up yet

On December 05 2015 07:44 Tictock wrote:
I think I'm leaving my vote on OO.

I know there is very little chance Scott is actually town here, but my gut isn't terribly on board this lynch for some reason.

I really this this list was terrible and makes no sense, and OO has simply ignored my questions about it since everyone is focused on the scott lynch atm.

For refference:


I'd also like to know why OO feels so strongly about GB being town.

I know FF pushed OO on D1, but when the vote was important he voted to save OO. Besides this setup makes it pretty nice for mafia to bus, so I'm not sure that's as solid as SL made it out to be earlier.

Been rethinking the dumbtell thing too, and it's really not that hard of a move for mafia to make.

Idk maybe I'm just being silly, Scott is still a solid lynch here. This is just too easy today, and mafia should be scrambling to try and recover this game after last lynch and 2 night saves but.... nothin.

On December 06 2015 06:46 sicklucker wrote:
either way its bad to vote scott here. either he will get mod killed if hes town or he will claim mafia and last second vote which is fine because then were 100% sure on him tormorow

On December 06 2015 06:59 sicklucker wrote:
so who do you think mafia going to attempt to kill and get stooped tonight?

On December 06 2015 07:08 GlowingBear wrote:


You have my bow

On December 06 2015 11:41 Koshi wrote:
It's fucking Chrom. OMG. I reread his filter and everything he said about fefe....
It just clicks together.
Fucking piece of shit Onegu not playing pisses me off so much. Still want to lynch him just because I don't want to lose vs Onegu at all. And he already pulled the solo mafia victory once.

So I am ok with lynching chrom and Onegu.


DON'T BE FUCKING TARDS AND LYNCH OO, GB unless you got some insane good reasons. Look at the filters. Look at the fucking filters.

On December 06 2015 22:23 Koshi wrote:
And he can actually remember his scumreads, and asks others on how to proceed and try to lynch mafia, not like here in which he forgets his scumreads, and then votes with his scumreads on a person he never thought was scummy.

On December 06 2015 07:33 ObviousOne wrote:

i'm sorry that you're going to have to wait 72 hours to be disappointed by my lynch

let's pretend i'm dead and talk about who's going to die when i flip town

i still feel like chrom tunneled me like a dog with a bone for something pretty silly to start with. i haven't even bothered to defend what i wrote because it felt right in the moment trying to figure out wtf you were doing at the start of the game. that silly action on my part resulted in a longer and longer tunnel on me where he was just looking for things that would make me mafia and not reflect any potential town way of thinking.

tt on the other hand has waffled so many times regarding whether or not he wanted to lynch me and his silly action at the start of the game led to tunnels on him that he dispelled somewhat

gb i have the least to say about because nothing that i can recall off the top of my head gives me anything to doubt he's town. i could look at votes if i get the motivation and do another once-over of the filter.

somewhere within the game i'm sure there's been someone advocating more for lynching onegu than for scott, if someone remembers or finds that post it might be a good nugget.

On December 07 2015 15:12 Koshi wrote:
I honestly don't see who would shoot TT except OO/GB.

Chrom/Onegu:
Could you tell me how you perceived TT this game? If you read his posts, what did you think? In general.

On December 07 2015 14:57 Koshi wrote:
Chromatically

Can you read fefe his filter and tell me why OO is mafia? GB, and OO look pretty good from that.

On November 26 2015 20:13 ANickelDrink wrote:
Not that you brought up any new points but that felt like a genuine "fuck off man I'm going to bed" without getting overly defensive.
##unvote

On November 29 2015 12:34 ANickelDrink wrote:
Chrome just kinda blew OO's post out of the water. Am I wrong?

On November 30 2015 05:59 ANickelDrink wrote:
not much reading to do ##vote sn0_man good call especially since the spirit seems to agree

On November 29 2015 12:26 ANickelDrink wrote:

For one, I'm getting a good townvibe off tictock now. He was most of your D1. I know, people are wrong especially you but that's one point.

Your reasoning behind voting tictock over vivax were shaky, saying you wanted to see if you were right and such. Tictock points this out.

You telling people to vote tictock so they can use him for associative reads sounds scummy to me as well. You literally say to koshi (copy/pasting rather than digging through the tictock post)



Maybe I read this wrong? How does koshi being sure that chrome is mafia at this point an indication that he should vote tictock instead?


I honestly don't want to re-hash tictock's whole post GB. I'm not saying you're my top scumread over sn0 or a lurker but the things tictock brings up have merit.

On December 07 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:


Yeah, looks like it was to frame me. I'm saging yhst it is weird that we have two shots.

Maybe it wasn't a save, but just a statement that you were protected

On December 08 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
It's much, much easier for me to keep Tictock alive and use his tunnel against me, and kill a confirmed townie, than killing fucking TT.

On December 08 2015 17:18 Koshi wrote:
I agree with you Chrom. Already read GB response before going to work.

##unvote
##vote: Onegu

On December 08 2015 19:41 Koshi wrote:
btw chrom. don't you think you would have been shot instead of sicklucker if OO is mafia?
bit wifomy but worth thinking about.

On December 08 2015 20:34 sicklucker wrote:
ff and scott voted together to push mafia agenda. and onegu kinda didnt even pay attention. he would have at least read qt and joined them

On December 09 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:


Nobody was here by deadlibe :/

On November 28 2015 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:


OH PLEASE DO IT FF IT HAS BEEN AGES SINCE YOU DID IT

On December 10 2015 07:20 ObviousOne wrote:
if you need to see how i play as mafia you can check my past games on my profile page, the lines with red text specifically

nothing i've done this game was particularly insightful or clever, at least in my own opinion. no coherent plan or agenda and certainly lots of sheeping and waffling to boot.

if you want to see the prototype for how i would ideally play scum that's Smurf Mini, where i basically calculated my way to scum victory together with BH by planning who i would finger as suspects and in the end kept only the least readable townie (as a smurf) alive as bait for the other townie to vote with me and clinch the victory. planning, patience, measured and calculated reads. ofc that was the perfect scenario where nobody in-game knew who i was other than my partner until it was over.

compare to this game. where did i hold back? how many errors did i make and not give a single fuck? i still don't give a fuck whatever chrom's early case on me was. i'm being accused of "dumb tells" but that's legit not even what's happening. i'm just going off memory, feeling, and whatever way the wind blows. koshi's filter is a good representation for how easy it has been to waffle this game, nobody is calling him scum for changing his mind every 20 minutes while it dictates his internal monologue. i simply don't bother to post the monologue at all. i'm not an important part of the machine as far as intelligent reads are concerned, nor do i consider myself capable of them, so what's the point?

i battled with some depression early in the game and got shitty with chrom and that's in the past, now all i want to do is not get mislynched since the save missed. we can't lynch me just to make the game solvable so that theory went out the window.

On December 10 2015 17:43 Koshi wrote:
If OO is mafia the loss sucks more though. We had him on D2 and GB played more townie early days.

I don't know if it is mafia!OO playing better because the win is getting closer, or mafia!GB playing worse because it has been going bad for mafia...

It is a bit of a contradiction but it depends on who you see as mafia.

On December 10 2015 22:57 Koshi wrote:
If OO is mafia he wins

On December 10 2015 23:09 ObviousOne wrote:
i solemnly swear i am not the last mafia

pinkie promise

another thought that occurred to me just now

why does fefe tell scum!oo to make his case on town!chrom, let town!chrom's response counter it 100%, and then let it go entirely? if we're working together why not point out anything that might have a chance of helping my case? he didn't defend me on it, he seemed happy enough to let me bury myself there. those aren't smart scum on scum tactics to me.

On December 11 2015 01:44 Koshi wrote:
Chromie. If OO is mafia here I will grant you 1 voucher which you can use in/during a future game and I will stop calling you mafia all together.

On December 12 2015 13:02 GlowingBear wrote:


Your play was really solid here IMO with just one little problem: you have scun read OO the whole game but was fine with anyone else's lynch + town reading me and keeping it but not fighting my mislynch at LYLO. If I wasn't so focused on OO I would have voted you here.

Other than that, I think you've played great in here. Especially your reactions and some posts unrelated to the game. Like the end game credits. They were very well faked.